Lying prosecutors in Indiana
March 24, 2011 3:49 PM Subscribe
The protests in Wisconsin have drawn criticism from some quarters, leading to the firing of a deputy AG in Indiana. Previously. After a lawsuit forced the WI DoA to have emails to Governor Walker released, certain others have claimed to have "had their email hacked". Not so much.
"Lam is the second Indiana prosecutor to resign over suggestions to use violence in Wisconsin."
Bit of a trend there...
posted by lekvar at 3:55 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
Bit of a trend there...
posted by lekvar at 3:55 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
Ten years ago my wife was a TA on strike at York University in Toronto, and the school sent out press releases claiming that strikers were targeting the administration with "booby traps" in the parking lot. I think they wanted the public to imagine a violent mob of philosophy PhDs and film grads laying down punji sticks, but it was more likely that somebody stepped in dog poo and fell down or something.
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:58 PM on March 24, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:58 PM on March 24, 2011 [7 favorites]
Now that Carlos Lam has some time off, maybe he can watch Bob Roberts.
posted by perhapses at 4:05 PM on March 24, 2011
posted by perhapses at 4:05 PM on March 24, 2011
Pathetic. Indiana needs to step up and get psychopaths like this out of positions of power.
posted by ChrisHartley at 4:06 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by ChrisHartley at 4:06 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
Agreed. We need more leaders like Lesley Knope in Indiana.
posted by maryr at 4:08 PM on March 24, 2011 [18 favorites]
posted by maryr at 4:08 PM on March 24, 2011 [18 favorites]
Lam wrote in his account profile there that he “believes that to truly prosper as the republic envisioned by the Founding Fathers, we must return to principles of sound money and limited government. He has his own ‘3G network’ that is quite apart from Apple: guns, gold and gasoline.’ ”I bet lattes make him very, very angry as well.
posted by dantsea at 4:10 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
We certainly keep meeting people who are, at their core, anti-American. Attempting to take away citizens' rights to speak and assemble and collectively bargain (especially attempting to take those rights away covertly) is profoundly un-American - there is absolutely no other way to put it.
I know we're not allowed to called these people fascists, but their collective mindset certainly points in that direction. I definitely here a lot of ducks quacking these days....
posted by Benny Andajetz at 4:11 PM on March 24, 2011 [21 favorites]
I know we're not allowed to called these people fascists, but their collective mindset certainly points in that direction. I definitely here a lot of ducks quacking these days....
posted by Benny Andajetz at 4:11 PM on March 24, 2011 [21 favorites]
After reading the article, all I can say is: Jeez.
posted by thanotopsis at 4:12 PM on March 24, 2011
posted by thanotopsis at 4:12 PM on March 24, 2011
He's not going to be able to get that minivan for a while now.
posted by drezdn at 4:22 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by drezdn at 4:22 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
I know we're not allowed to called these people fascists
We're not? damn I better stop then.
posted by edgeways at 4:27 PM on March 24, 2011
We're not? damn I better stop then.
posted by edgeways at 4:27 PM on March 24, 2011
Carlos Lam has a blog.What a disappointingly boring blog.
posted by delmoi at 4:35 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
Emails Show Scott Walker Misrepresented Voters’ Support For His Union Busting
posted by homunculus at 4:40 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by homunculus at 4:40 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
I've found some of his comments on facebook and blogs. He's a Rand Paul supporter and hates teachers unions. There might be a chance that he was born in the Milwaukee area.
posted by drezdn at 4:51 PM on March 24, 2011
posted by drezdn at 4:51 PM on March 24, 2011
guns, gold and gasoline
There is something terribly, tragically wrong with anyone who would make these three things the cornerstone of his philosophy.
posted by ook at 4:56 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
There is something terribly, tragically wrong with anyone who would make these three things the cornerstone of his philosophy.
posted by ook at 4:56 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
... Lam confirmed his email address matched the Hotmail address ...
There's yer trouble.
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:11 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
There's yer trouble.
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:11 PM on March 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
I know we're not allowed to called these people fascists
Speak for yourself.
Meanwhile, looks like I got work to do.
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 5:34 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
Speak for yourself.
Meanwhile, looks like I got work to do.
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 5:34 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
I used to go to high school with a Carlos Lam.
Then I looked at his picture...and I realized, this has to be the same guy!
I don't do facebook, so I can't verify it that way....
But I'm willing to bet good money that he graduated class of 1993, from an american high school located overseas, that no longer exists.
Funny when the crazy guy in the news turns out to be someone you actually have memories of....
posted by KillaSeal at 5:57 PM on March 24, 2011
Then I looked at his picture...and I realized, this has to be the same guy!
I don't do facebook, so I can't verify it that way....
But I'm willing to bet good money that he graduated class of 1993, from an american high school located overseas, that no longer exists.
Funny when the crazy guy in the news turns out to be someone you actually have memories of....
posted by KillaSeal at 5:57 PM on March 24, 2011
guns, gold and gasoline
Ooh, new crafting recipe!
posted by ryanrs at 6:05 PM on March 24, 2011 [6 favorites]
Ooh, new crafting recipe!
posted by ryanrs at 6:05 PM on March 24, 2011 [6 favorites]
ook: "guns, gold and gasoline
There is something terribly, tragically wrong with anyone who would make these three things the cornerstone of his philosophy"
Thank god Malor's only got one :P
posted by symbioid at 6:13 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
There is something terribly, tragically wrong with anyone who would make these three things the cornerstone of his philosophy"
Thank god Malor's only got one :P
posted by symbioid at 6:13 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
Funny when the crazy guy in the news turns out to be someone you actually have memories of....
I gotcha beat, I promise. PM for details.
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 6:14 PM on March 24, 2011
I gotcha beat, I promise. PM for details.
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 6:14 PM on March 24, 2011
Lam wrote: “If you could employ an associate who pretends to be sympathetic to the unions’ cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you), you could discredit the unions,”
posted by Skygazer at 7:13 PM on March 24, 2011
posted by Skygazer at 7:13 PM on March 24, 2011
Aw you can't do that, thsmchnekllsfascists. That's just… wrong. It reminds me of this one amazing time that I
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 7:53 PM on March 24, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 7:53 PM on March 24, 2011 [3 favorites]
Meanwhile, looks like I got work to do.
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists
Believe you'll get yourself strung up for talk like that. Probably get some work done on the frets and the intonation adjusted at the same time.
posted by stet at 8:38 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists
Believe you'll get yourself strung up for talk like that. Probably get some work done on the frets and the intonation adjusted at the same time.
posted by stet at 8:38 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
The WI GoP have targeted Professor Bill Cronon with a FOIA request.
He's the one that wrote that blog post about ALEC and a NY Times Op-Ed concerning recent events.
His response.
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 10:28 PM on March 24, 2011 [12 favorites]
Just wondering where you go to hire these people you want to employ to "pretend to be sympathetic to the unions’ cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you)"? I'm thinking Craig's List?
Also, how is Deputy Attorney General formed? How AG Office become so instain?
posted by taz at 11:30 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
Also, how is Deputy Attorney General formed? How AG Office become so instain?
posted by taz at 11:30 PM on March 24, 2011 [2 favorites]
The WI GoP have targeted Professor Bill Cronon with a FOIA request.
Why am I reminded of Milan Kundera's The Joke?
posted by dhartung at 12:16 AM on March 25, 2011
Why am I reminded of Milan Kundera's The Joke?
posted by dhartung at 12:16 AM on March 25, 2011
It's important to remember that Indiana is the furthest north Southern state, a hotbed of ignorance, intolerance and hate that exists only because it makes Ohio look good by comparison, and because if it were annihilated completely, there'd be nowhere to drive through on the way from Detroit to Chicago.
posted by klangklangston at 12:25 AM on March 25, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by klangklangston at 12:25 AM on March 25, 2011 [1 favorite]
@pogo_ your micropost on Bill Cronon's essay should be an FPP, I think.
It's very interesting not just for the topical, timely reasons covered in this and related threads but also because it's a crystalline example of logic being used to unravel a mystery; Sir Arthur Conan Doyle-esque.
posted by noway at 1:08 AM on March 25, 2011 [1 favorite]
It's very interesting not just for the topical, timely reasons covered in this and related threads but also because it's a crystalline example of logic being used to unravel a mystery; Sir Arthur Conan Doyle-esque.
posted by noway at 1:08 AM on March 25, 2011 [1 favorite]
ALEC would be a great subject for a post.
posted by drezdn at 5:37 AM on March 25, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by drezdn at 5:37 AM on March 25, 2011 [2 favorites]
But wait: what if this "false flag" plan is actually a phony stunt planned by left-wingers to make the right-wingers look bad? And what if the left-winger who planned it is actually a right-wing mole put in to make the left-wingers look bad? Yet it turns out that he's ACTUALLY working for...
posted by Legomancer at 6:04 AM on March 25, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by Legomancer at 6:04 AM on March 25, 2011 [3 favorites]
Legomancer, I'm pretty sure that Right Wingers will be telling themselves this (which is part of the insidiousness of false flag ops), but for it to be true, he'd have to been establishing his for a while now as he's been letter writing and blogging with a right wing bent for at least two years.
posted by drezdn at 6:10 AM on March 25, 2011
posted by drezdn at 6:10 AM on March 25, 2011
In other news, doing any at all with unions is now considered "aggressively anti-business". What a world you've got going on down there.
If they can change the conversation to somehow that "unions"="anti-business commies", the battle will be lost...
posted by Theta States at 6:34 AM on March 25, 2011
If they can change the conversation to somehow that "unions"="anti-business commies", the battle will be lost...
posted by Theta States at 6:34 AM on March 25, 2011
Aren't prosecutors also government employees?
And you don't see them, STRIKING AGAINST THE TAXPAYERS!
Just wondering where you go to hire these people you want to employ to "pretend to be sympathetic to the unions’ cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you)"? I'm thinking Craig's List?
That is how you fail at it. You get a member of your staff to hire a guy to hire a guy to attack $TARGET. Then you and member of staff deny knowledge.
posted by gjc at 7:06 AM on March 25, 2011
And you don't see them, STRIKING AGAINST THE TAXPAYERS!
Just wondering where you go to hire these people you want to employ to "pretend to be sympathetic to the unions’ cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you)"? I'm thinking Craig's List?
That is how you fail at it. You get a member of your staff to hire a guy to hire a guy to attack $TARGET. Then you and member of staff deny knowledge.
posted by gjc at 7:06 AM on March 25, 2011
Just wondering where you go to hire these people you want to employ to "pretend to be sympathetic to the unions’ cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you)"? I'm thinking Craig's List?
Places like The Leadership Institute probably have some willing young leaders up for the task.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:28 AM on March 25, 2011
Places like The Leadership Institute probably have some willing young leaders up for the task.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:28 AM on March 25, 2011
guns, gold and gasoline
Pretty close to the title of a post-apocalyptic novel I thought about writing once!
posted by adamdschneider at 7:54 AM on March 25, 2011
Pretty close to the title of a post-apocalyptic novel I thought about writing once!
posted by adamdschneider at 7:54 AM on March 25, 2011
Between this suggestion (and the tone of his email might imply he's participated in other false flag activities) and the backwards B incident during the Obama campaign, there seems to be a dark thread embedded among the right willing to resort to truly despicable tactics.
posted by drezdn at 8:07 AM on March 25, 2011
posted by drezdn at 8:07 AM on March 25, 2011
He has his own ‘3G network’... guns, gold and gasoline.
THIS. IS. THUNDERDOME!!!!
posted by wenestvedt at 10:43 AM on March 25, 2011
THIS. IS. THUNDERDOME!!!!
posted by wenestvedt at 10:43 AM on March 25, 2011
klangklangston: "It's important to remember that Indiana is the furthest north Southern state, a hotbed of ignorance, intolerance and hate that exists only because it makes Ohio look good by comparison, and because if it were annihilated completely, there'd be nowhere to drive through on the way from Detroit to Chicago."
Thanks. I'm from Northwest Indiana where it is not entirely like the rest of the state. We're considered Chicagoland.
posted by IndigoRain at 9:05 PM on March 27, 2011
Thanks. I'm from Northwest Indiana where it is not entirely like the rest of the state. We're considered Chicagoland.
posted by IndigoRain at 9:05 PM on March 27, 2011
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