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July 12, 2006 7:45 PM Subscribe
For a brief moment in the 1880s, Volapük^ seemed like it could be the language everyone spoke. The reform of 1931
notwithstanding, it has become the universal language no one speaks (though a few people at next week's Esperanto convention in NYC will reportedly try). It does have its own Wikipedia, the Vükiped, and there's even a a website entirely in the language. The language's bizarre appearance inspired the quasi-Cyrillic Volapuk Encoding^. You can learn the language and use it in email, or if you're daring even try to meet up with a Volapük speaker in your area. Or just appreciate this oddity that tried to build the tower of Babel
.
One slight problem:
When saying, "I'm learning to speak Volapük," over the phone, the listener will hear, "I'm learning to speak while I puke."
This is cool though. Thanks graymouser!
posted by premiumpolar at 8:19 PM on July 12, 2006
When saying, "I'm learning to speak Volapük," over the phone, the listener will hear, "I'm learning to speak while I puke."
This is cool though. Thanks graymouser!
posted by premiumpolar at 8:19 PM on July 12, 2006
I like the new notation for Wikipedia links, but for a few seconds I thought the Volapuk alphabet included the ^.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 8:28 PM on July 12, 2006
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 8:28 PM on July 12, 2006
Nice! Hey, and if you see Fafhrd somewhere in a Lankhmar dive, remind him he owes me 5gp and the tit of a necromanceress.
posted by freebird at 8:33 PM on July 12, 2006
posted by freebird at 8:33 PM on July 12, 2006
Holy shit. I'm actually trying to learn Volapük. And I'll be at the Esperanto convention. And I'm one of the people who'll try to speak Volapük there. (Where'd you hear about that, by the way?)
posted by gubo at 8:49 PM on July 12, 2006
posted by gubo at 8:49 PM on July 12, 2006
I'm learning Spanish and I live in Texas. Is that helpful for world peace or should I switch over to Esperanto ASAP?
posted by MarkO at 9:33 PM on July 12, 2006
posted by MarkO at 9:33 PM on July 12, 2006
I love obscure auxlangs — the other day at the thrift store I ran across a textbook for teaching Blissymbolics to disabled children. What I'd really love to hear spoken (or played, as it were) is Solresol.
posted by IshmaelGraves at 9:40 PM on July 12, 2006
posted by IshmaelGraves at 9:40 PM on July 12, 2006
MarkO: I think spanish is an ideal universal language. It's easy to pronounce and spell, the vocabulary is similar enough to other romance languages to make that transition easier, and it's spoken by one of the fastest growing populations.
posted by JZig at 11:36 PM on July 12, 2006
posted by JZig at 11:36 PM on July 12, 2006
gubo:
I read about it on Auxlang -- I lurk, but don't post, since I'm pretty happy with Esperanto and there are plenty of people to defend it. Reading about people actually planning to talk in this weird language inspired me to learn a little Volapük and post about it here.
posted by graymouser at 3:32 AM on July 13, 2006
I read about it on Auxlang -- I lurk, but don't post, since I'm pretty happy with Esperanto and there are plenty of people to defend it. Reading about people actually planning to talk in this weird language inspired me to learn a little Volapük and post about it here.
posted by graymouser at 3:32 AM on July 13, 2006
IshmaelGraves
I'd love to hear a natural Solresol conversation as well. Man that Blissymolics stuff looks really interesting. I can't seem to find a complete grammar / dictionary on the web though.
posted by bigmusic at 5:32 AM on July 13, 2006
I'd love to hear a natural Solresol conversation as well. Man that Blissymolics stuff looks really interesting. I can't seem to find a complete grammar / dictionary on the web though.
posted by bigmusic at 5:32 AM on July 13, 2006
Fascinating stuff.
(That said, it amazes me that in adopting this '^' link habit, MetaFilter users have managed to come up with notation even more fucking annoying than that mimsy little memorial '.' In this case, it's especially pointless - your Wikipedia links might just as well have been standard links. Why put a '^' link after 'Volapuk Encoding' when you could just link those words? And in what way does a '^' suggest Wikipedianess? A superscript 'w', while equally silly, would at least make sensew.)
posted by jack_mo at 5:44 AM on July 13, 2006
(That said, it amazes me that in adopting this '^' link habit, MetaFilter users have managed to come up with notation even more fucking annoying than that mimsy little memorial '.' In this case, it's especially pointless - your Wikipedia links might just as well have been standard links. Why put a '^' link after 'Volapuk Encoding' when you could just link those words? And in what way does a '^' suggest Wikipedianess? A superscript 'w', while equally silly, would at least make sensew.)
posted by jack_mo at 5:44 AM on July 13, 2006
Great post!
jack_mo: You can't win. When people link to Wikipedia as you suggest, others yell at them for a "lame link to Wikipedia." The ^ was developed to ward that off. I agree with you that a superscript 'w' would be a tad more comprehensible, but hey, it's just a convention. No need to let it ruin your day.
posted by languagehat at 9:05 AM on July 13, 2006
jack_mo: You can't win. When people link to Wikipedia as you suggest, others yell at them for a "lame link to Wikipedia." The ^ was developed to ward that off. I agree with you that a superscript 'w' would be a tad more comprehensible, but hey, it's just a convention. No need to let it ruin your day.
posted by languagehat at 9:05 AM on July 13, 2006
The Volapük Wikipedia has 82 articles. (Esperanto has 54,000+, Ido 13,000+.) I mostly found it ugly and comical, where Esperanto had simplicity and grace, and was much easier to learn if you already knew Romance roots.
Fascinating, though, that it was basically Schleyer's refusal to "open-source" the language that doomed it. (Imagine if web pages had to be approved by CERN.)
I might have learned Volapük if I'd discovered it before Esperanto (although I never gained real fluency).
posted by dhartung at 4:40 PM on July 13, 2006
Fascinating, though, that it was basically Schleyer's refusal to "open-source" the language that doomed it. (Imagine if web pages had to be approved by CERN.)
I might have learned Volapük if I'd discovered it before Esperanto (although I never gained real fluency).
posted by dhartung at 4:40 PM on July 13, 2006
I mostly found it ugly and comical
I have to confess this is my reaction too. Of course, I seem to have a bias in favor of natural languages (I find Esperanto boring and comical), so take with appropriate salt.
posted by languagehat at 4:59 PM on July 13, 2006
I have to confess this is my reaction too. Of course, I seem to have a bias in favor of natural languages (I find Esperanto boring and comical), so take with appropriate salt.
posted by languagehat at 4:59 PM on July 13, 2006
Well, since most constructed languages seem to have a large amount of borrowing in them to create their structure and so on, it's been more worth my energy to learn real world languages.
I won't lie; I studied Quenya once. From there I escaped to Finnish. I actually use Finnish, for survival and life, and I think that that's been far more worth investing energy in.
I guess constructed languages can be fun in an aesthetic sense, but well, if you want to open up your world to speak with a vast majority of people, learn something living.
posted by taursir at 12:02 PM on July 14, 2006
I won't lie; I studied Quenya once. From there I escaped to Finnish. I actually use Finnish, for survival and life, and I think that that's been far more worth investing energy in.
I guess constructed languages can be fun in an aesthetic sense, but well, if you want to open up your world to speak with a vast majority of people, learn something living.
posted by taursir at 12:02 PM on July 14, 2006
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