Mancs vs Brummies
June 22, 2007 5:06 AM Subscribe
Second Cities are usually easy to name: Chicago, Melbourne, Toronto, Osaka, Barcelona. Other ones, not so much. So, is it Birmingham or Manchester? Lyon or Marseille? Hamburg or Frankfurt? Monterrey or Guadalajara?
This post was deleted for the following reason: A whole lot of links but not much post, chuck. -- cortex
Łódź or Kraków? Debrecen or Miskolc? Brno or Ostrava? Valparaíso or Concepción?
posted by chuckdarwin at 5:10 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by chuckdarwin at 5:10 AM on June 22, 2007
Wait, if TO is Canada's Second City, what's its first? Montreal? Vancouver? (gulp) Ottawa?
posted by psmealey at 5:11 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by psmealey at 5:11 AM on June 22, 2007
Oh, dear... maybe Canda's isn't so clear cut!
In Canada, Toronto was historically referred to as the second city. However, in the late 1970s, amidst political and social unrest caused by the growing Quebec sovereignty movement it overtook Montreal, the first city, in population, and the centre of the financial industry moved from St. James Street in Montreal to Bay Street in Toronto.
posted by chuckdarwin at 5:13 AM on June 22, 2007
In Canada, Toronto was historically referred to as the second city. However, in the late 1970s, amidst political and social unrest caused by the growing Quebec sovereignty movement it overtook Montreal, the first city, in population, and the centre of the financial industry moved from St. James Street in Montreal to Bay Street in Toronto.
posted by chuckdarwin at 5:13 AM on June 22, 2007
Wait - so what's the US' first city?
And Canada's? Montreal?
posted by From Bklyn at 5:13 AM on June 22, 2007
(Dammit)
And Canada's? Montreal?
I mean, it seems backward, doesn't it?
posted by From Bklyn at 5:15 AM on June 22, 2007
Łódź or Kraków?
Kraków is the coolest and bestest city in Poland. I think the battle for second is really beteween Łódź and Warszawa.
posted by psmealey at 5:20 AM on June 22, 2007
Kraków is the coolest and bestest city in Poland. I think the battle for second is really beteween Łódź and Warszawa.
posted by psmealey at 5:20 AM on June 22, 2007
Camden or Paterson?
posted by psmealey at 5:21 AM on June 22, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by psmealey at 5:21 AM on June 22, 2007 [1 favorite]
I always thought of Columbus as Ohio's third city behind Cleveland and Cincinnati until I learned it's larger than either.
posted by pax digita at 5:25 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by pax digita at 5:25 AM on June 22, 2007
Two Wikipedia links and a handful of random pictures of cites from Flickr?
posted by octothorpe at 5:27 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by octothorpe at 5:27 AM on June 22, 2007
The archived talk page for the wikipedia article on the UK second city debate is a great example of wiki-madness.
(note to editors: Birmingham is clearly the second city in the UK)
posted by patricio at 5:27 AM on June 22, 2007
(note to editors: Birmingham is clearly the second city in the UK)
posted by patricio at 5:27 AM on June 22, 2007
Birmingham or Manchester?
Birmingham. Seriously. The only people who question that are from Manchester. It's a bizarre state of affairs.
(And it's Lyon and Frankfurt for France and Germany respectively. Both, incidentally, are twinned with Birmingham.)
posted by MrMustard at 5:32 AM on June 22, 2007
Birmingham. Seriously. The only people who question that are from Manchester. It's a bizarre state of affairs.
(And it's Lyon and Frankfurt for France and Germany respectively. Both, incidentally, are twinned with Birmingham.)
posted by MrMustard at 5:32 AM on June 22, 2007
Wait - so what's the US' first city?
Jamestown.
posted by DU at 5:36 AM on June 22, 2007 [1 favorite]
Jamestown.
posted by DU at 5:36 AM on June 22, 2007 [1 favorite]
I thought Chicago was called the Second City because it was rebuilt after the fire.
posted by birdherder at 5:42 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by birdherder at 5:42 AM on June 22, 2007
Your second-favourite city sucks.
Oh, and eat it up, Glasgow.
posted by imperium at 5:44 AM on June 22, 2007
Oh, and eat it up, Glasgow.
posted by imperium at 5:44 AM on June 22, 2007
Why are the only US Second cities LA, Chicago and Washington? Albany is the capital of NY, and New York City I would think would be a US 2nd city by any criteria.... Fuck wikipedia....
posted by Debaser626 at 5:45 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by Debaser626 at 5:45 AM on June 22, 2007
Wait - so what's the US' first city?
Jamestown.
Saint Augustine
posted by Pollomacho at 5:45 AM on June 22, 2007
Saint Augustine
posted by Pollomacho at 5:45 AM on June 22, 2007
Birmingham or Manchester?
Good question. It always has been Birmingham in the UK. But I'm not sure why (it's one of those because everyone says so things) and Manchester has far more going for it. For France, I'm sure it's Lyon though.
I think the reason it's difficult in the UK is that London is so utterly dominant in almost every sphere that there's no obvious no2.
posted by rhymer at 6:00 AM on June 22, 2007
Good question. It always has been Birmingham in the UK. But I'm not sure why (it's one of those because everyone says so things) and Manchester has far more going for it. For France, I'm sure it's Lyon though.
I think the reason it's difficult in the UK is that London is so utterly dominant in almost every sphere that there's no obvious no2.
posted by rhymer at 6:00 AM on June 22, 2007
Camden or Paterson?
Bayonne.
ahem
Lodi.
Oh, Lord, stuck there again.
posted by jonmc at 6:05 AM on June 22, 2007
Bayonne.
ahem
Lodi.
Oh, Lord, stuck there again.
posted by jonmc at 6:05 AM on June 22, 2007
I thought Chicago was called the Second City because it was rebuilt after the fire.
This is not what the Chicago Public Library believes. They are contradicted, however, by the Vince Vaughn character in "The Break-Up." So, pick your source.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 6:06 AM on June 22, 2007
This is not what the Chicago Public Library believes. They are contradicted, however, by the Vince Vaughn character in "The Break-Up." So, pick your source.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 6:06 AM on June 22, 2007
octothorpe wrote:Two Wikipedia links and a handful of random pictures of cites from Flickr?
Too thin, eh? I guess I could've done this as an AskMe, instead. I toyed with the idea.
posted by chuckdarwin at 6:07 AM on June 22, 2007
Too thin, eh? I guess I could've done this as an AskMe, instead. I toyed with the idea.
posted by chuckdarwin at 6:07 AM on June 22, 2007
Albany is the capital of NY, and New York City I would think would be a US 2nd city by any criteria
Except for the criteria of not being the first city. Duh. And Albany? It has a population of 95,658. I hope you're not nominating it.
posted by delmoi at 6:07 AM on June 22, 2007
Except for the criteria of not being the first city. Duh. And Albany? It has a population of 95,658. I hope you're not nominating it.
posted by delmoi at 6:07 AM on June 22, 2007
patricio wrote: The archived talk page for the wikipedia article on the UK second city debate is a great example of wiki-madness.
That was kind of my point...
posted by chuckdarwin at 6:08 AM on June 22, 2007
That was kind of my point...
posted by chuckdarwin at 6:08 AM on June 22, 2007
I thought this was going to be about the comedy troupe Second City and all the places they have theaters. I see I am mistaken and will move on now. Thank you and have a good day.
posted by LunaticFringe at 6:11 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by LunaticFringe at 6:11 AM on June 22, 2007
Manchester. Of course. My justification is twofold:
1) Up yours, Brummie.
2) See point 1.
posted by Jofus at 6:15 AM on June 22, 2007
1) Up yours, Brummie.
2) See point 1.
posted by Jofus at 6:15 AM on June 22, 2007
Two Wikipedia links and a handful of random pictures of cites from Flickr?
Yeah, I hate to say it, but this is a classic Bad Post. It's not "Hey, look, I found something cool on the internet!" but "I want to talk about something so I'll toss together some random links and hope it flies."
posted by languagehat at 6:20 AM on June 22, 2007
Yeah, I hate to say it, but this is a classic Bad Post. It's not "Hey, look, I found something cool on the internet!" but "I want to talk about something so I'll toss together some random links and hope it flies."
posted by languagehat at 6:20 AM on June 22, 2007
Oooh. And also we've got a huge arts festival starting in a couple of weeks which it would be remiss of me not to mention.
(It would also be remiss of me not to mention that my Gem works there. And the company I work for did the website.)
posted by Jofus at 6:22 AM on June 22, 2007
(It would also be remiss of me not to mention that my Gem works there. And the company I work for did the website.)
posted by Jofus at 6:22 AM on June 22, 2007
Gotta love the Wikipedia chart.
Benin: Cotonou - Porto-Novo
Vanuatu: Port Vila - Luganville
Belarus: Minsk - Gomel
See also: primate city. (NOT MONKEYFILTERIST)
posted by mdonley at 6:24 AM on June 22, 2007
Benin: Cotonou - Porto-Novo
Vanuatu: Port Vila - Luganville
Belarus: Minsk - Gomel
See also: primate city. (NOT MONKEYFILTERIST)
posted by mdonley at 6:24 AM on June 22, 2007
Jofus - Manchester will become Britain's Second City the day the Thames finally rises and swallows London.
posted by MrMustard at 6:24 AM on June 22, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by MrMustard at 6:24 AM on June 22, 2007 [1 favorite]
Birmingham is the city in Great Britain. Brummies hate southern toolbags.
posted by parmanparman at 6:26 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by parmanparman at 6:26 AM on June 22, 2007
Also, Birmingham is in the midlands, not in the awful stinking north like those manc bastards. Come on Villa!
posted by parmanparman at 6:27 AM on June 22, 2007
posted by parmanparman at 6:27 AM on June 22, 2007
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