Barak and another flip-flop
September 15, 2008 2:39 PM Subscribe
Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. Is he in favour of a withdrawal only when he gets credit?
This post was deleted for the following reason: This would have been a terrible post even if you hadn't screwed up the link. NYPOST op ed? -- cortex
Hmmm...single-link post to a Page Not Found.
I smell a closure coming soon.
posted by Thorzdad at 2:43 PM on September 15, 2008
I smell a closure coming soon.
posted by Thorzdad at 2:43 PM on September 15, 2008
A SLOE post with a broken link. Good work! This link works, for those that have the stomach for such things.
posted by the duck by the oboe at 2:43 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by the duck by the oboe at 2:43 PM on September 15, 2008
Excellent post!
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 2:43 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 2:43 PM on September 15, 2008
to a nonexistent NY POst article. You're funny!
posted by DenOfSizer at 2:44 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by DenOfSizer at 2:44 PM on September 15, 2008
Yawn.
posted by cjorgensen at 2:44 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by cjorgensen at 2:44 PM on September 15, 2008
Anyway, I think this is the link you wanted. But Obama's positions are not contradictory at all, dispite what some douche bag says while interpreting unprovable statements from some random Iraqi minister. Obama's public position has always been that congress should be involved in approving any troop agreements, and so asking to delay the signing of the agreement wouldn't actually result in any delays in actually withdrawing troops. In fact, troops could be withdrawn regardless of any agreements Bush signs with the Iraqis.
posted by delmoi at 2:44 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by delmoi at 2:44 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
The NYPost oped page is here, but which specific article did you want to have deleted?
posted by Wolfdog at 2:45 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Wolfdog at 2:45 PM on September 15, 2008
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm
posted by shockingbluamp at 2:45 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by shockingbluamp at 2:45 PM on September 15, 2008
Fixed link, for what it's worth. (As Public Enemy would say, "America's oldest continuously published daily piece of bullshit," etc.)
posted by Prospero at 2:46 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Prospero at 2:46 PM on September 15, 2008
My eyes have finally been opened! Ban Abortion 2008!
posted by stavrogin at 2:46 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by stavrogin at 2:46 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Gosh, and shockingbluamp's tags are so insightful and unbiased, too!
posted by william_boot at 2:47 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by william_boot at 2:47 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Perhaps this should be deleted and reposted in a less trolly way.
posted by lostburner at 2:50 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by lostburner at 2:50 PM on September 15, 2008
You mean, Obama might prefer that George W. "Heck of job" Bush and his neo-con clown circus not be the ones to determine the details of the withdraw?
Sounds good to me.
Of course, even that's only if this report, three months after the fact and with one source, in an oped column not a news article, is actually true.
posted by orthogonality at 2:50 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Sounds good to me.
Of course, even that's only if this report, three months after the fact and with one source, in an oped column not a news article, is actually true.
posted by orthogonality at 2:50 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
For your next post you should examine the W3C's standards for HTMCONTRADICTORY Transitional 5.0.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:50 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:50 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Hey hey, The New York Post... there's a reputable source! The same rag that shamelessly announced it's endorsement for McCain a couple weeks ago, not that that would impact this article or anything.
posted by Liquidwolf at 2:51 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Liquidwolf at 2:51 PM on September 15, 2008
When this post is deleted, you can blame the liberal media.
posted by mr_roboto at 2:52 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by mr_roboto at 2:52 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
obamas a muslim pass it on
posted by found missing at 2:52 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by found missing at 2:52 PM on September 15, 2008
BARAKA WINS
posted by cellphone at 2:52 PM on September 15, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by cellphone at 2:52 PM on September 15, 2008 [4 favorites]
tags:
flip
flop
I'm surprised no one has grabbed onto this phrase for use with Palin. It's probably good, actually as it makes me see red through it's stupidity.
posted by quin at 2:54 PM on September 15, 2008
flip
flop
I'm surprised no one has grabbed onto this phrase for use with Palin. It's probably good, actually as it makes me see red through it's stupidity.
posted by quin at 2:54 PM on September 15, 2008
littlegreenfootballs is not available, please leave a message at the beep.
posted by clearly at 2:55 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by clearly at 2:55 PM on September 15, 2008
Okay, in all seriousness, recall that in the current Palinarama thread, five fresh fish posted an item that was the left-wing equivalent of swiftboating: poorly sourced and probably bullshit. And he got called out on it, and he retracted it, and life goes on. So it's not like we're cherry-picking facts on this site. Your broken link to the NYP with no actual evidence is ridiculous on its face.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:56 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:56 PM on September 15, 2008
Obama's flip-flopping about Iraq is nothing compared to his complete lack of position in regards to Czechoslovakia.
He acts as if the country doesn't even exist.
posted by qvantamon at 2:58 PM on September 15, 2008 [8 favorites]
He acts as if the country doesn't even exist.
posted by qvantamon at 2:58 PM on September 15, 2008 [8 favorites]
Oh boy, I'm sure tired from a fun weekend. Did anyone catch SNL on Saturday?
posted by roll truck roll at 2:59 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by roll truck roll at 2:59 PM on September 15, 2008
But let's assume for a moment that it is true. It's not so much a flip-flop as it is an opportunistic maneuvering. Maybe he does want credit. He's been saying the same thing about Iraq for a while.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:01 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:01 PM on September 15, 2008
This is a bad post and you're a bad person for making it and you should feel bad.
posted by GuyZero at 3:02 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by GuyZero at 3:02 PM on September 15, 2008
I'll take unintentionally hilarious posts for $100, Alex.
posted by tula at 3:02 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by tula at 3:02 PM on September 15, 2008
Oh golly it's the John Hagee guy!
BTW..I fully expect this psot to vanish soon and they ( webmasters) will prove me out.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 3:03 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
BTW..I fully expect this psot to vanish soon and they ( webmasters) will prove me out.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 3:03 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
from above Hagee link: I fully expect my psot to vanish soon because MetaFilter is not abou exchange of free ideas but the current mood--biased opinios of the webmaster. I paid to be on here and I know they will block these posts because they don't conform to the opinions of said webmasters. This is not a free speech post and they ( webmasters) will prove me out.
Dang!
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:05 PM on September 15, 2008
Dang!
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:05 PM on September 15, 2008
Lack of an actual article leaves me to assume this is something concerning Obama's love of flip flops. Why all the Hawaiian hatred?
posted by mannequito at 3:05 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by mannequito at 3:05 PM on September 15, 2008
Pardon me, but would one of you nay-sayers explain excaly how Obama's verasity is not in question, given that shockingbluamp's psot vanished. Excaly how.
posted by Flunkie at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Flunkie at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008
Flagged as:
Jesus Christ, it's a troll! GET IN THE CAR!
posted by eriko at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Jesus Christ, it's a troll! GET IN THE CAR!
posted by eriko at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
If we were living in an ideal world, none of the candidates would give speeches or have photo ops. They would each submit detailed formal reports and a business plan on how they specifically plan to run the country and what their citizens should expect to see when their term is up.
There would be no ads or mud-slinging or canned events of babies getting politician germs and then we wouldn't have all these discussions about whether a politician flip-flopped, or even wore flip-flops.
But we are not living in an ideal world.
Shoot...
posted by Alexandra Kitty at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
There would be no ads or mud-slinging or canned events of babies getting politician germs and then we wouldn't have all these discussions about whether a politician flip-flopped, or even wore flip-flops.
But we are not living in an ideal world.
Shoot...
posted by Alexandra Kitty at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Who the hell is Barak? Why the fuck do people feel qualified to argue against him when they haven't even bothered to learn to spell his fucking name?
That's it. You don't get to vote in this election. You forfeited it with this stupid fucking post.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
That's it. You don't get to vote in this election. You forfeited it with this stupid fucking post.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:06 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Can't someone delete The Post?
posted by Ron Thanagar at 3:07 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Ron Thanagar at 3:07 PM on September 15, 2008
oboe my muslin, bang a gong
Oh, balmy muslin rang a bong.
posted by lekvar at 3:07 PM on September 15, 2008
Oh, balmy muslin rang a bong.
posted by lekvar at 3:07 PM on September 15, 2008
Brak?
posted by thirteenkiller at 3:07 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by thirteenkiller at 3:07 PM on September 15, 2008
BTW..I fully expect my psot to vanish soon because MetaFilter is not abou exchange of free ideas but the current mood--biased opinios of the webmaster. I paid to be on here and I know they will block these posts because they don't conform to the opinions of said webmasters. This is not a free speech post and they ( webmasters) will prove me out.
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 8:10 PM on April 27, 2008 [38 favorites +]
I f'd up the post...i don't know what i'm doing but u get the point.
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 3:56 PM on June 16, 2007 [3 favorites +]
Im sorry..I fucked up the post. please delete..i tried
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 9:36 AM on April 18, 2007 [+]
I said i messed it up...sorry
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 9:38 AM on April 18, 2007 [+]
I am missing a lot of sex I guess.
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 11:44 PM on September 3, 2008 [+]
posted by neroli at 3:08 PM on September 15, 2008 [8 favorites]
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 8:10 PM on April 27, 2008 [38 favorites +]
I f'd up the post...i don't know what i'm doing but u get the point.
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 3:56 PM on June 16, 2007 [3 favorites +]
Im sorry..I fucked up the post. please delete..i tried
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 9:36 AM on April 18, 2007 [+]
I said i messed it up...sorry
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 9:38 AM on April 18, 2007 [+]
I am missing a lot of sex I guess.
posted to MetaFilter by shockingbluamp at 11:44 PM on September 3, 2008 [+]
posted by neroli at 3:08 PM on September 15, 2008 [8 favorites]
The person responsible for posting this has been sacked. And those responsible for sacking the person responsible for posting this, have also been sacked. A moose once bit my sister.
posted by jleisek at 3:09 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by jleisek at 3:09 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
How is babble formed?
posted by longsleeves at 3:10 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by longsleeves at 3:10 PM on September 15, 2008
Great post!!!
As has been said before: "Page Not Found The page you are looking for cannot be found or does not exist on NYPOST.COM."
posted by ericb at 3:10 PM on September 15, 2008
As has been said before: "Page Not Found The page you are looking for cannot be found or does not exist on NYPOST.COM."
posted by ericb at 3:10 PM on September 15, 2008
by which I mean THE FUCKING NEW YORK POST?!
not this post.
posted by shmegegge at 3:11 PM on September 15, 2008
not this post.
posted by shmegegge at 3:11 PM on September 15, 2008
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up.
posted by clearly at 3:12 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by clearly at 3:12 PM on September 15, 2008
I miss the days when nypost.com was something else for a while each day. Now that it's the New York Post 24 hours a day, I just can't stand it.
posted by carsonb at 3:14 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by carsonb at 3:14 PM on September 15, 2008
I am now voting for McCain. Thank you for showing me the light shockingbluamp.
posted by clearly at 3:14 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by clearly at 3:14 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up.
So you're saying they're not?
posted by carsonb at 3:15 PM on September 15, 2008
So you're saying they're not?
posted by carsonb at 3:15 PM on September 15, 2008
THIS GREAT FUCKING PSOT WILL VANISH SOON, METAFITLER IS ABOU BIASED OPINIOS OF THE WEBMASTER.
posted by The Straightener at 3:16 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by The Straightener at 3:16 PM on September 15, 2008
If you are not USA...then you are not aware of Man-Law.
posted by Flunkie at 3:16 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Flunkie at 3:16 PM on September 15, 2008
You all are being mean. Stop being mean. shockingbluamp is qualified to make an fpp. He/she has been a member since 2005 and can almost make a link.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:17 PM on September 15, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:17 PM on September 15, 2008 [6 favorites]
aaaaaaand scene.
posted by schyler523 at 3:17 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by schyler523 at 3:17 PM on September 15, 2008
I was going to vote for McCain, clearly, but after reading this article I realize that I respect flip-floppers. In the past I may have come down a tad harsh on hypocrites, but thanks to your post shockingbluamp I am convinced that a flip-flopper is what is needed for America to be Great! I will remain convinced in this fashion for two more months, then the regret.
posted by carsonb at 3:17 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by carsonb at 3:17 PM on September 15, 2008
I had seen that article posted in a number of places to show that Obama was using things for his own end. From what I recall, Iraq announced that they wanted a withdrawal and apporved the Obama timeframe. The the Bush administration announced that we and not this brand new democracy (Iraq0 would decide when we would leave. I believe too that Obama has stressed over and over than withdrawn troops are needed in Afghanistan, the place where Al Qaeda operates and incressingly is getting stronger with the Taliban.
Poor McCain, though, distancing himself from Bush announces today, in nearly the same words as Bush, that the economy will be ok and take care of itself and get fixed soon. Despite the market today: the worst drop in prices since 9/11...
Now take the announced Bush troop withdrawal stats; in fact those announced very recently would still leave more troops in Iraq that prior to the surge.
posted by Postroad at 3:20 PM on September 15, 2008
Poor McCain, though, distancing himself from Bush announces today, in nearly the same words as Bush, that the economy will be ok and take care of itself and get fixed soon. Despite the market today: the worst drop in prices since 9/11...
Now take the announced Bush troop withdrawal stats; in fact those announced very recently would still leave more troops in Iraq that prior to the surge.
posted by Postroad at 3:20 PM on September 15, 2008
A page saying that the thing requested doesn't exist is the most honest thing the Post ever published.
posted by Dipsomaniac at 3:21 PM on September 15, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by Dipsomaniac at 3:21 PM on September 15, 2008 [6 favorites]
Brak
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 3:21 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 3:21 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
shockingbluamp is qualified to make an fpp. He/she has been a member since 2005 and can almost make a link.
He chose the ballsy path of building links within the description, instead of using the pussified and cautious add link URL followed by add link text path. That he failed miserably is only a testament to the difficulty faced when selecting the build links in description option.
posted by clearly at 3:21 PM on September 15, 2008
He chose the ballsy path of building links within the description, instead of using the pussified and cautious add link URL followed by add link text path. That he failed miserably is only a testament to the difficulty faced when selecting the build links in description option.
posted by clearly at 3:21 PM on September 15, 2008
There's already a flipflop post for the day - and its way funner, cuter, and beepier than this one!
posted by mannequito at 3:22 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by mannequito at 3:22 PM on September 15, 2008
Can I just say that I dream of a Metafilter where a well-supported post on this topic would not be called out as an obvious troll and would not be immediately filled with Obama supporters who came to mock the poster? I mean, madamejujujive's post on McCain's lying was constructed better and had multiple links, all of which worked, and did not have the same tone to the tags. But it certainly wasn't unbiased. I can't imagine seeing a pro-McCain post on the front page, and if it suddenly appeared as if sprung from Zeus' head, fully formed, I cannot imagine it going well. I'm just saying. (And I'm pro-Obama!)
posted by onlyconnect at 3:22 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by onlyconnect at 3:22 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
The fact that the mods are letting this play out to the embarrasment (one hopes) of both the OP and the right wing in general is actually the most compelling argument to date that metrafilter not abou exchange of free ideas but the current mood--biased opinios .
posted by Shepherd at 3:22 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by Shepherd at 3:22 PM on September 15, 2008
New York Post. Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah
posted by ChickenringNYC at 3:23 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by ChickenringNYC at 3:23 PM on September 15, 2008
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up.
I don't understand why getting drunk on carrots would make me want to fuck up rabbits. But I'll take your word for it.
posted by iamabot at 3:24 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
I don't understand why getting drunk on carrots would make me want to fuck up rabbits. But I'll take your word for it.
posted by iamabot at 3:24 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
The fact that the mods are letting this play out to the embarrasment (one hopes) of both the OP and the right wing in general is actually the most compelling argument to date that time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
posted by carsonb at 3:24 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by carsonb at 3:24 PM on September 15, 2008
They don't need to be drunk. I'll fuck up a rabbit just for the hell of it. Because I am a stone cold bunny hater, yo.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:25 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:25 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Oh, balmy muslin rang a bong.
Oh, bomb! A moosesling sang it wrong.
posted by CKmtl at 3:26 PM on September 15, 2008
Oh, bomb! A moosesling sang it wrong.
posted by CKmtl at 3:26 PM on September 15, 2008
And I give you -- Les Misbarack! (with cameo appearances by John "I Was A P.O.W." McCain and Sarah "I Can See Russia From My House" Palin).
posted by ericb at 3:28 PM on September 15, 2008
posted by ericb at 3:28 PM on September 15, 2008
Now we checked out this duck quack
Who laid a big egg, oh so black
It shone just like gold.
And the kids from the city,
Finding it pretty, took it home,
And there it was sold.
It was changing hands for weeks till someone left it by their fire
And it melted to a puddle on the floor:
For it was only a candle, a Roman scandal oh oh oh,
Now it's a pool.
posted by Atom Eyes at 3:28 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Who laid a big egg, oh so black
It shone just like gold.
And the kids from the city,
Finding it pretty, took it home,
And there it was sold.
It was changing hands for weeks till someone left it by their fire
And it melted to a puddle on the floor:
For it was only a candle, a Roman scandal oh oh oh,
Now it's a pool.
posted by Atom Eyes at 3:28 PM on September 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
shockingbluamp, please tell us how you are feeling. We know these can be difficult times, but we are here to help. Never mind the rabbits.
Is this just more election filter or is there a deeper issue, such as rabbits?
Sorry for my flip-flop on rabbits.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:31 PM on September 15, 2008
Is this just more election filter or is there a deeper issue, such as rabbits?
Sorry for my flip-flop on rabbits.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 3:31 PM on September 15, 2008
Who the hell is Barak?
He's a famous politician.
I don't see what his position on Iraq troop withdrawals has to do with anything, though, seeing as Israel doesn't have any troops over there.
posted by Sidhedevil at 3:31 PM on September 15, 2008
He's a famous politician.
I don't see what his position on Iraq troop withdrawals has to do with anything, though, seeing as Israel doesn't have any troops over there.
posted by Sidhedevil at 3:31 PM on September 15, 2008
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