the ONION
September 25, 2001 7:07 PM Subscribe
posted by anildash at 7:13 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by wackybrit at 7:14 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by vito90 at 7:15 PM on September 25, 2001
from "Hijacker's surprised to find themselves in hell"
posted by vito90 at 7:22 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by Zurishaddai at 7:23 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by mattpfeff at 7:26 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by jasonshellen at 7:26 PM on September 25, 2001
Nothing personal, you are new to MeFi - But, try to link to a more definitive news page ... and not just "THE MAIN" page (ie linking to CNN.com or cbsnews.com or Blogger.com)
Those pages are extremely dynamic, and on a lesser note pretty run of the mill.
posted by a11an at 7:41 PM on September 25, 2001
It might be a bit early, but I'm glad I read it.
posted by Grum at 7:43 PM on September 25, 2001
This will be a classic issue. I gotta find this one in print.
posted by ColdChef at 7:45 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by jjg at 7:49 PM on September 25, 2001
the writing in this issue is just top-rate. I'm really impressed. the press conference with God made me weep (just at the end) and I thought the story about baking a cake was heartbreaking.
this is a weird type of satire. it's...kind. it's satire with a broken heart.
Zurishaddai, it's true, usually a link to the onion is verboten, but in this case, I'm glad you did.
posted by rebeccablood at 7:53 PM on September 25, 2001
this and the something awful link has made my past two days.... don't know why, but this image is just silly and true enough to mention, as well.
posted by lotsofno at 7:56 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by raysmj at 7:59 PM on September 25, 2001
I think you nailed it, rebecca. I was trying to explain it to my roommate as I was reading aloud... how some of it was hilarious ('Carson Daly In Way Over His Head') but overall... somber and still hurting. And couldn't come up with words. You did, though. Thanks.
matt: I don't really think a lot of it was funny either; not sure some of it was even trying to be. But even the parts that weren't funny were tasteful and respectful and definitely had a point. So.... glad someone pointed us to it.
posted by louie at 8:02 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by RoyalJack at 8:03 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by megnut at 8:03 PM on September 25, 2001
Here's one line that seemed right to me:
When Americans finally staggered into the streets, desperate to talk to anyone to try to make sense of what they had just seen, there were no Attack On America collector cups waiting for them at Taco Bell.
posted by Zurishaddai at 8:10 PM on September 25, 2001
"fucking underground caves", indeed. I burst out laughing at that one.
And I'll just chip in and say: 1) I personally don't think this is an appropriate MeFi post, and 2) Thanks, Zurishaddai. I needed this.
posted by whatnotever at 8:13 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by louie at 8:16 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by obiwanwasabi at 8:18 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by clevershark at 8:20 PM on September 25, 2001
I told you The Onion guys were just BSing to get an extra weeks' vacation.
posted by aaron at 8:23 PM on September 25, 2001
"Bush Sr. Apologizes To Son For Funding Bin Laden In '80s"
BWAHAHAHA!!!!
"U.S. Vows To Defeat Whoever It Is We're At War With"
OMG!!! I can't stop laughing!!!
Seriously... there was nothing funny about WTC. But the Onion was on the money satirizing everything else.
During WWII, everyone from Bugs Bunny to the Three Stooges took on Hitler and mocked the shit out of him. While a lot of people (understandably) aren't ready to laugh yet, It's a healthy way to cope with the insanity.
It's the American Way... Thanx, Zurishaddai !
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 8:23 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by holgate at 8:52 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by sugarfish at 8:57 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by normy at 8:57 PM on September 25, 2001
Be sure to check out the TV guide.Like "Extremely Uniformed Debate"? Who loves a man in uniform, baby?
posted by joeclark at 8:59 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by louie at 9:04 PM on September 25, 2001
does anyone know how to get a hard copy of this?
Move to Chicago?
Or befriend someone who lives in Chicago?
In Chicago, Onions are free on the streets in newspaper boxes.
posted by jbushnell at 9:23 PM on September 25, 2001
"We Must Retaliate With Blind Rage"
vs.
"We Must Retaliate With Measured, Focused Rage"
posted by dack at 9:28 PM on September 25, 2001
"I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"
beautiful.
posted by grabbingsand at 9:36 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by varmint at 9:40 PM on September 25, 2001
agreed. the arguments about whether or not this is appropriate or not are complete bullshit. i feel like this is the first time I have taken a deep breath and felt like the world might not actually be completely ending since all this craziness. this is not a "run-of-the-mill" issue regardless of your personal feelings for The Onion. the thing that hits me the most is that it's humor, but it hurts like hell: No Austrian bodybuilder, gripping Uzis and striding shirtless through the debris, will save us and make it all better. Shocked and speechless, we are all still waiting for the end credits to roll. They aren't going to.
Thanks Zurishaddai, I really needed to see this.
posted by babydoll at 9:41 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by shugashax at 9:42 PM on September 25, 2001
may I just say that there was a time when starbucks was about the most progressive company going?
posted by rebeccablood at 9:46 PM on September 25, 2001
Okay, I can't take it any more. I have to ask: What exactly is different about this issue from any other issue they've put out in the past? The only change is that this week's stories each include bits of treacly sentimentality tacked on to the end of them, in an obviously excruciatingly-crafted attempt to take a bit of the edge off of the preceding umpteen paragraphs of the same old ultra-snarky "ironic" parody. And it doesn't even work: Every one of those endings comes off as completely hamfisted. People would be rolling their eyes at that stuff if it was published anywhere but The Onion.
Writing jokes that use the actual photos of the WTC explosions are not examples of somebody "getting it right." They're examples of people directly making sick tasteless jokes about the murders of 6500 people. Which, you know, is not itself a problem; Lord knows I love sick tasteless humor myself. But let's just admit it, okay? This whole thread seems like a bunch of people desperately trying to rationalize a reason to be able to once again engage in the sick humor they've always known and loved, without having to the be the first one in line to actually risk getting hit with the rotten tomatoes.
The Onion has stepped up to the plate, they've taken one for the team. Now we can all be graphic and "ironic" and tasteless again. Just accept it; there's no need to try to intellectualize it.
posted by aaron at 9:52 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by aaron at 9:54 PM on September 25, 2001
And they offered up some of the most touching lines I've seen about the whole thing, especially in contrast to the introductions to them.
I read the whole thing with my sense of irony still "broken," and I loved every minute of it.
posted by matt8313 at 10:04 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by rebeccablood at 10:04 PM on September 25, 2001
I think it's a good issue. I like the way they treated the subjects, and agree with a lot of what's been said here.
I just don't think it's funny.
posted by mattpfeff at 10:09 PM on September 25, 2001
Plus, it seems many of us needed a little Onion today,
posted by kd at 10:19 PM on September 25, 2001
(a.5) (And I don't think you were reading Varmint and babydoll correctly).
(b) One more vote for excellent issue (first time I'm tempted to buy a hard copy).
posted by sylloge at 10:23 PM on September 25, 2001
I'll feel guilty tomorrow when I turn on the news, but tonight that was pretty damn funny.
Best. Onion. Ever.
posted by Cyrano at 10:23 PM on September 25, 2001
I suppose I'm just not as enlightened as you are, eh Cray?. Poor me. I don't know what I will do with myself now that I've learned what a lesser human being I am than CrayDrygu. Perhaps I'll go jump out of a 110-story building.
(The above, of course, is satire, not sick humor.)
Sylloge: (a) Bite me. (a.5) Bite me. (b) See response to Cray.
posted by aaron at 10:38 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by brantstrand at 10:48 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by brantstrand at 10:48 PM on September 25, 2001
As for me. I'm glad I saw this. I like the Onion - not love, but like, since some of the more absurd pieces make me fall down laughing, but most articles only get me to smirk or smile a bit at best. "Ask a Bee" is an old fave (not online anymore). This weeks issue really feels like the old Onion in that way IMHO.
That said. I just laughed so damn hard at their TV listings this week...thank you all for pointing this out.
posted by kokogiak at 11:10 PM on September 25, 2001
The Onion pieces are all not only true, but unironic. They are each very sad, in their own ways.
Ironic is stuff like the supposed religious martyrs who hijacked those planes going out for drinks and lap dances at a Florida strip club beforehand. (Which is reportedly true.) Or Man Takes BoxCutters on Plane to Convince Wife to Cancel Trip. Or a past Onion piece, "Columbine Jocks Safely Resume Bullying".
Ironic would have been, I think, something like "Bin Laden Celebrates Departure of Women Soldiers from Muslim Holy Land" (e.g.:
Some Hidden Cave in Afghanistan -- In a statement taped at an undisclosed location, suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden today expressed his "delirious joy" upon hearing word that NATO forces stationed in Saudi Arabia had been transferred to Pakistan.
"The Holy Land is free," bin Laden declared. "Now every woman in Saudi Arabia can be properly oppressed."
The NATO forces were restationed as part of Operation Kick that MotherFucker's Ass Already. Bin Laden, speaking in an over-sized kevlar vest and gas mask, behind what appeared to be 10 inches of bullet-proof glass, behind what may have been 30 Al-Qaeda operatives carrying AK-47s, while incessantly chewing on a piece of his mustache and shifting his hands from his pockets to the podium in front of him and back into his pockets again, indicated he was unconcerned about the eventuality of armed combat between his forces and the allied Western invasion force.
"America is a paper tiger. We will blow up their office buildings and their army will fall over in the wind," he said.
His further comments, if any, were lost when the soldier delivering the videotape of his statement to the Western press was blown into very small pieces by an unknown weapon military spokesmen would only describe as "this really neat missile system we're testing out", and the tape was damaged. Military scientists are working on the problem, according to the spokesman, who said there are still "a few remaining bugs" in the missile's guidance system, but that he fully expected future statements to reach the press intact.
Anyway, I'm not saying that that's funny, either, or good, for that matter, just that it's ironic. I do have some sympathy for aaron's suggestion that people would be rolling their eyes at that stuff if it was published anywhere but The Onion. The issue is very well written and in the Onion's style, and I think it gets laughs because we all know where we're supposed to laugh. I just dunno if it's actually funny. Or necessarily intended to be, actually. (E.g., "Hugging Up 76,000 Percent". "God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule". You could read the whole thing with a sad spin on it, and not laugh once. (One caveat, the Lifetime TV schedule is funny, you at least have to smile.))
Well, I hope that makes sense. I do like the Onion and I guess I wanted to try and get at what's different about this one.
posted by mattpfeff at 11:22 PM on September 25, 2001
posted by bjgeiger at 11:30 PM on September 25, 2001
Back to the Onion, I found it quite amusing, and that comment on Falwell just cracked me up.. However, as satire, its bound to offend some people who are still sensitive, and understandibly so.. I've always thought that life is too serious to be taken seriously - hmm, maybe thats why nobody takes me seriously. Hmm..
posted by Mossy at 11:54 PM on September 25, 2001
But don't you also agree that he is, like, a major drag? At least in this thread? Because in other threads he may not be a drag, or even might be really funny, but in this one he is just, like, a drag? (And also kind of a bite-orderer?)
posted by sylloge at 12:46 AM on September 26, 2001
This cute blonde girl, for whom I'd had a terrible crush since we were both freshmen, but I never had the balls to properly ask out on a date, started laughing. Fiendishly. Uncontrollably. Everyone else was completely silent and she just started laughing. Others told her to shush and she got defiantly abusive at them, saying how insatiably false and hypocritical we were all being by having a serious moment of silence because the first time they tried to put a teacher - a civilian - on board a space shuttle, the whole thing blows to bits. And the whole time she's trying to defend her side, she's laughing. She can barely get the words out. And it's not high-pitched, hysterical laughter either mind you. It's not the stereotypical female laughter. It was low and raucous - but just shy of sinister.
I fell out of adolescent lust for her that day, but in hindsight I think she was the only sane person in that entire school. Frankly she was probably on some major drugs at the time too, but she managed to see the irony, and handled a tragic situation in the only way she knew how to retain her own sanity, and to hell with the rest of us.
Ask any psychologist. Laughter is practically required for any decent mental healing process to begin. Some people need an injection of laughter immediately. Some prefer to mourn for an indeterminate amount of time before they allow themselves to do so guilt-free. To those who enjoy The Onion now, I salute you and stand beside you. To those who can't, don't piss off the people who need humor to deal with sadness in their own way. When you're ready, The Onion or something else will be there for you.
I've felt sick to my stomach the past week seeing all the talk show hosts walk into this whole thing delicately like a bunch of politically correct saps, when their job is to take the bull by the horns and shed comedic light on the madness of our times. Bill Maher stuck his head out of the comedian foxhole and almost hot his head shot off by friendly fire. Where the hell was GEORGE CARLIN this past week? When we really needed the bastard!? Thank GOD for The Onion! At least they have some guts!
Mel Brooks once said that tragedy is when I stub my toe, and comedy is when you fall in a manhole and die. That is the cornerstone of the foundation of comedy. A pie in the face is not funny when it happens to you, but when it happens to somebody else it's hilarious. Pollack jokes and Aggie jokes are not funny to Pollacks and Aggies. There is a reason for that, because they're the ones getting the paper cut. They're the ones getting their toes stubbed. Think about whatever it is you've laughed at in the past. Who were you making fun of, and why is this any different?
On September 11th, we ALL fell into a manhole, and a part of us died. It wasn't the slightest bit funny to any of us. Except maybe the rare blond girl who suddenly couldn't stop laughing.
It didn't happen to someone else. It happened to Americans on American soil. It happened to each and every one of us. It happened to the entire civilized world. And when London got bombed during World War Two? It happened to the entire civilized world then too, but Winston Churchill practically ordered the british people to face the horror and laugh at it. And that's what they did. And they survived. And so will we.
If one can't laugh at oneself, one can't laugh.
posted by ZachsMind at 1:20 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by skylar at 1:57 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by Optamystic at 2:00 AM on September 26, 2001
I hope so. I thought the only person who would ever touch a subject like this would be Chris Morris, but it seems i'm wrong. Way to go the Onion!
posted by twistedonion at 2:16 AM on September 26, 2001
Must be damp (wet preferred).
Applicant will posess thorough knowledge of what constitutes politically correct mirth (training sermons available).
Applicant will have a strong desire to inflict guilt based on personal prejudices.
Applicant must be completely unable to delight in the absurd, or to appreciate the healing balm of a delinquent giggle.
Only the self-righteous need apply. (Periodic righteousness testing is mandatory)
Send applications to: The Tasteful Titterer
Serious inquiries only.
posted by Opus Dark at 4:25 AM on September 26, 2001
Bernard Shaw.
posted by revbrian at 4:52 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by owillis at 5:22 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by phooey at 5:48 AM on September 26, 2001
There's plenty of other stuff going round the net if you look hard enough. One admittedly obscure example here.
posted by Summer at 6:10 AM on September 26, 2001
Wow. Whether you're an atheist, agnostic, believer, or suffering a crisis of faith, that has to be one of the most profound sentences on the subject ever written. Bravo.
posted by whuppy at 6:38 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by websavvy at 6:57 AM on September 26, 2001
that. was. too. much.
Thanks for the rant, aaron. I have nothing against what you said, and don't even really care that much. But the retorts to you have been damn near as funny as the Onion itself. Then again, in all fairness, some of yours were pretty funny as well.
I was up in NYC yesterday for bizness, and stopped by to see my fiancee's grandparents on Gold Street (real close). I nearly lost my father and uncle in the event, and I thank god they made it out ok. With how sleepless and distracted we all have been lately, according to polls and such, I think this was desperately neede. I think the Onion was as tasteful as could possibly be, and they have a thin line to tread. How do you keep up your product as well as not offend? The Gen X article about cynicism was so appropriate and hit the nail on the head. I think rebecca was right on the money.
posted by adampsyche at 7:01 AM on September 26, 2001
Only for believers.
posted by whuppy at 7:06 AM on September 26, 2001
The New York Firefighters 9-11 Disaster Relief Fund.
That's enough to convince me that they aren't being tasteless.
posted by adampsyche at 7:11 AM on September 26, 2001
For the most part, they didn't. Most of the stories weren't about the events themselves, but rather people's reactions to those events. And as The Onion recognized, those reactions have been so varied, extreme, and confusing — in other words, so human — that some of them deserved a bit of mockery.
posted by harmful at 7:30 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by dogmatic at 8:23 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by adampsyche at 8:38 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by Optamystic at 8:48 AM on September 26, 2001
posted by MrMoonPie at 10:02 AM on September 26, 2001
The sensibility of the Net is still very different than the tastes of the general public, and so The Onion can play to a more sympathetic audience. I am SO glad they did. I really needed "Holy Fucking Shit!" as the headline.
posted by briank at 11:22 AM on September 26, 2001
Are some of the people behind it sociopaths that don't care about the victims? Possibly. But for the most part, they're just folks trying to work through the pain.
posted by Jart at 11:52 AM on September 26, 2001
The sadness is palpable too. I'm laughing with tears in my eyes. It's a strange experience.
Personally, I find it more moving than most of the attempts to address the WTC attacks seriously. When someone is trying to create that feeling of sadness, I can't help but feel some resistance to that falsely induced catharsis. Here, the Onion is trying to make me laugh, and I still feel like crying. And they know it. That's powerful.
posted by speicus at 4:19 PM on September 26, 2001
When the Onion covers big national and international stories, it prefers the kind of thing that can be approached sideways, from a distance, and through a fog of solemn ignorance, as in
FED TO MAKE INTEREST RATES UNDULATE RELAXINGLY
WASHINGTON, DC -- In a major step toward establishing a more "soothing and peaceful" U.S. economy by Fiscal Year 1998, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan announced yesterday that he will make the prime lending rate undulate relaxingly, moving back and forth in a restful, wavelike motion.
In that way, this is different. "Holy Fucking Shit" indeed. But Hertzberg goes on to say, along the lines of what rebeccablood and others have written here, in talking about a piece about God releasing a statement on a natural disater being "part of My unknowable, divine plan for mankind":
"There's anger, certainly, and sadness -- as there is in the Onion's bleakly funny evocations of dead-end work and empty leisure. The story is simply a restatement, in wire-service language, of the theological problem of the existence of unmerited suffering in a world supposedly ruled by a benevolent Providence -- a problem about which you can laugh or you can cry."
I, as I've said, amn't inclined to laugh at similar coverage of the recent attacks, they seem sad to me. But I'll grant that there is humor in them. I disagree with him, I guess, but Hertzberg concludes that statement by saying, "The Onion chooses to laugh."
Anyway.
posted by mattpfeff at 4:34 PM on September 26, 2001
There's nothing funny about the deaths of 6,000 people. There's nothing to be satirized there. People's reactions to the events, however, are ripe for satire.
And for those who think it was a bit treacly: hell, being anything other than mawkish and earnest, at this point, is brave enough. I really do not want to see Jon Stewart interviewing yet another schmo from CNN.
posted by solistrato at 11:24 PM on September 26, 2001
posted by aaron at 12:02 AM on September 27, 2001
Do you still have her number?
posted by aaron at 12:09 AM on September 27, 2001
posted by Optamystic at 4:48 AM on September 27, 2001
posted by sandor at 8:58 AM on September 27, 2001
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