Cassini makes Jupiter flyby on way to Saturn.
December 30, 2000 10:52 PM Subscribe
This page talks about the orbit they used. It required two passes by Venus and one by the Earth to pick up enough velocity to leave the inner solar system.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 11:12 PM on December 30, 2000
posted by dhartung at 11:37 PM on December 30, 2000
Fact: Cassini's launch, on the ol' Titan IV rocket, represented about a one in ten chance of inadvertant reentry, which NASA admitted would expose 5-6 billion of the world's population to plutonium.
Fact: Plutonium is the most toxic substance on earth, and no dose is safe, not even an atom.
Fact: Very respected scientists like Michio Kaku were very outspoken about the risks. Hardly a bunch of Luddites. Even Bill Clinton likes Kaku.
Fact: although not yet tested in space flight, solar panels have been invented that would make missions to the outer solar system possible without RTGs. Given the risks, we should have waited with Cassini (Saturn is not going away anytime soon).
I'd feel much safer if we wouldn't launch anything that uses RTGs.
posted by norm at 12:19 AM on December 31, 2000
and not that it makes a huge difference, but from what i've read, it's carrying 72 pounds of plutonium 238, not "6 or 7 pounds."
the stop cassini home page.
posted by gluechunk at 12:50 AM on December 31, 2000
I'm reminded of a (can't remember the name) group that tried to stop a Particle Accelerator because they believe ('hypothesized") that it would generate a black hole that would consume the Earth. (ok, technically I understand it wasn't a "black hole", but rather a cosmic string of sorts, but same idea.) Absurd stuff.
I don't believe that NASA is THAT stupid when it comes to endangering lives....unless the whole project is a giant government/alien/illuminati/midget conspiracy...
posted by mkn at 1:14 AM on December 31, 2000
Ounce for Ounce, mutated anthrax is probably about a million times as dangerous. One test tube of the stuff really is capable of starting a plague which could eradicate all mammalian life on earth.
Or compare it to Arsine gas, which is fatal in unbelievably small doses. But Arsine is used industrially; it's a vital component in the manufacture of integrated circuits. (So is phosphine, which is equally dangerous.)
There are many substances which are used routinely which are exceedingly dangerous. It doesn't make sense to single this one out for hysterical reaction while ignoring all the others.
What you do is treat them with respect, but otherwise go about your business.
It is also a fact that A-bomb explosions are not very efficient, and most of the U-235 or Plutonium involved isn't fissioned. Instead, it's simply vaporized and becomes part of the dustcloud formed. In the fifties, the US and Russia between them exploded many dozens of such bombs in the atmosphere each of which contained far more radioactives than Cassini contains, and almost all of those atoms were simply distributed into the air. If plutonium were as dangerous as you say, we'd all be dead by now; Earth's weather has long since spread those atoms everywhere. You've certainly been exposed to far more than "one atom" of plutonium (probably several orders of magnitude more than that), but you're alive and kicking.
But the real point is that the danger of Cassini hitting the earth was vanishingly small. That lawsuit was fundamentally really stupid, a knee-jerk reaction to "radioactivity". More to the point, it was inconsistent because it overreacted to this danger while ignoring all the others which are at least as deadly.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 1:37 AM on December 31, 2000
I don't believe that NASA is THAT stupid when it comes to endangering lives...
I expect there are Russians who had similar faith in their space authority. You know, the ones that put Mir up there.
In Ludd we Trust,
posted by ceiriog at 6:19 AM on December 31, 2000
posted by snarkout at 9:50 AM on December 31, 2000
We should not let the most hyperbolic voices shut down all scientific advancement, but neither should we blindly accept all experimentation done in the name of science. If we stop questioning the propriety of such experiments, we're all dead. Science is not by nature altruistic. It just exists, and must be subject to the same scrutiny as any other human endeavor.
posted by ChrisTN at 10:37 AM on December 31, 2000
posted by Poop(*)Head at 1:04 PM on December 31, 2000
posted by davidgentle at 8:34 PM on December 31, 2000
Space activities are not without risk. Still, I believe they're worth doing, as long as we're honest to ourselves.
posted by dhartung at 1:23 AM on January 1, 2001
Nevertheless, I'm glad its up there. Here's a neat picture taken a few weeks ago from its fly past. It shows Io casting a shadow on Jupiter's atmosphere.
posted by lagado at 2:51 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by Aaaugh! at 9:29 AM on January 1, 2001
You may have some contempt for those "Luddites", but that's nothing compared to their contempt for the people who decided it was okay to put 72 pounds (not the "six or seven" pounds you erroneously mentioned) of the deadliest substance known to man atop a rocket that has been known to blow up on occasion.
Pardon me if I think that wasn't the brightest move NASA ever made. I don't think that makes me a "Luddite".
True, the post-launch Earth flyby wasn't as dangerous as the launch itself, but it was still worrisome. NASA changed the figures for just how close the probe was supposed to come to the Earth several times. That, combined with recent crash of a Mars probe, didn't exactly inspire people's confidence. I think those "Luddites" were right to be concerned.
posted by Potsy at 3:28 PM on January 1, 2001
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In the outer solar system there isn't enough light from the sun to power a satellite with photocells. So all the satellites which go to the outer system carry nuclear power plants -- in particular, several pounds of refined plutonium, which is constantly warm. They then use that heat to generate electricity which powers the craft. This was true of both Voyager craft, of Galileo (which is at Jupiter now) and of Cassini, on its way to Saturn.
Just before the gravity assist at the Earth, some luddites tried to get a court order to force NASA to change the course of Cassini so that it wouldn't come close to the Earth. Doing so would have destroyed its orbit and aborted the mission. They were afraid that the craft might actually hit the earth, and that its plutonium would be released into the atmosphere -- and apparently that millions of people would have died, or something like that. Given that hundreds of pounds of plutonium are already in the atmosphere from all the atmospheric nuclear tests in the 1950's, it's hard to see how the 6 or 7 pounds in Cassini would make much difference. But the whole issue was moot, because Cassini wasn't going to hit the earth. NASA had the orbit under control.
Fortunately, NASA was able to convince the appropriate federal judge to dismiss the suit before the encounter, and were permitted to make the earth flyby on schedule. It went flawlessly, as expected.
But had certain hyper-suspicious Luddites had their way, this mission would have failed before it began. I get really tired of people who get terrified of anything which has the word "radiation" attached to it.
More on Cassini can be found here.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 11:03 PM on December 30, 2000