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March 19, 2001 9:20 PM Subscribe
Should namesakes of public institutions have a "clean" record? Why did it take 126 years to mobilize a renaming effort?
Furthermore, it is also obvious that the most important lesson we can learn from this unsavory episode is that what we, as a nation, hold as morally correct at this time is the sole basis on which to judge all culture, all history, all peoples. For this reason, I state we should make a stand. We shall begin petitioning Congress for nuclear sterilization of Spain, for their crimes against the poor innocent souls of the MesoAmericans they so ruthlessly slaughtered. We shall petition Congress for the chemical eradication of the peoples of MesoAmerica, for their hideous practices of slavery and cannibalism. The Japanese, for Nanjing. The Chinese, for their current horrid babykilling tactics. The Australians, for their mistreatment of the Aborigines. The British, for their ruthless treatment of the helpless victims of the African continent. All tribes of Africa, for their crimes against each other. All of Eurasia, for being human. All of humanity will be cleansed, in the glowing light of our own correctness.
posted by Unxmaal at 10:14 PM on March 19, 2001
BTW, are you sure you can use your computer without feeling uncomfortable? You may want to look into a vacuum-tube-based Internet appliance.
posted by aaron at 10:16 PM on March 19, 2001
posted by MarkAnd at 10:25 PM on March 19, 2001
And Unxmaal, you're just nuts. The man was a second rate 18th century naturalist. We name public works, and institutions after people to honor them. This man lived in an age when plenty of people, especially scientists, knew that blacks were "real men." Nobody is asking for his name to be removed from science texts, just off of the letterhead of a school.
If you'll excuse me, I have to go study for my exam tomorrow at Joseph Stalin University.
posted by Doug at 10:35 PM on March 19, 2001
posted by rcade at 11:38 PM on March 19, 2001
But really. This is a public institution. rcade has it right.
posted by Skot at 1:39 AM on March 20, 2001
posted by Postroad at 3:25 AM on March 20, 2001
Why not number our schools so that we will be sure of being "correct" at any given time? I gave up Franco American spaghetti right after the Spanish Civil War.
posted by Postroad at 3:56 AM on March 20, 2001
also, I don't see what's wrong with changing the name, and I imagine they will do so eventually. it would be a bit insensitive to simply ignore this kid's objections. there's enough stuff named after agassiz at harvard that the city of cambridge need feel no obligation to honor him as well. the only danger is that it will turn into a snowball-effect thing, and soon we'll be renaming everything with any sort of negative connotation (the longfellow school, for instance).
posted by rabi at 4:52 AM on March 20, 2001
posted by m.polo at 4:56 AM on March 20, 2001
Mixed up with this is another problem - to what extent should we respect people whose views are inconsistent with today's culture? Presumably we have to compromise - this person was a product of the society he lived in and, in that context, did good work; on the other hand we cannot ignore the realisation that by our own standards, he was unacceptable. So respect is tempered by hindsight. That's fine - blind belief in heroes of the past doesn't seem like a good idea to me (look at the mess the USA is in with guns and the constitution). But, of course, blind vilification is just as bad.
Yet again life if complicated and there is no simple "right" answer...
posted by andrew cooke at 6:06 AM on March 20, 2001
No, he was a first-rate 19th-century naturalist, one of the greatest of his day, probably the greatest American naturalist (though he was Swiss-born). He was loyal to his teacher Cuvier and thus on the wrong side of the evolution controversy, but that doesn't negate his achievements or his stature. Just because you don't know much about him doesn't mean he's not significant.
posted by rodii at 8:12 AM on March 20, 2001
They don't call it the "Peoples Republic of Cambridge" for nothing, you know. Frankly, I'm surprised that the name stuck around as long as it has, but that's probably out of a better sense of history about Agassiz than people have beyond Route 128.
While we're engaging in rampant presentism, seems like it's a good time to dump all the "Lincoln Highs" and "JFK Junior Highs" and...(do you think?)...even the Ronald Reagan National Airport.
Of course, 18 years from now when my soon-to-be-born daughter finds herself graduating from "Nike Senior High" to attend "AOL-TimeWarner University", will we even remember that we ever named things after historical figures?
posted by briank at 8:50 AM on March 20, 2001
I will never subject my children to a public school. But if I did, I honestly wouldn't mind one bit what the name was. I might even send her there just for the amusement factor alone; they'd have some kickass T-shirts. I wonder what the team name would be ... the Proletariat? Maybe the Rootless Cosmopolitans. That would piss off even more people.
Or even worse...William Jefferson Clinton Elementary?
Sure, why not? It looks like pretty decent place.
Should we name a place of learning after a person who was so deluded by his racism that he twisted scientific reasoning in an attempt to undermine the dignity and value of a group of people?
I don't see why not, as long as his name wasn't put on there because of his racism. The vast majority of people of his time held beliefs that we consider racist today. To follow this to its logical conclusion, we'd have to cease all public honoration of just about everyone that lived before 1900 or so, as well as a ton of people after that. (And as we've just seen in another thread, we'd even have to start marginalizing Abraham Lincoln.)
There's a difference between covering up a mistake and no longer celebrating one.
We're not celebrating his mistake. It's obvious that not only were the children not being tragically oppressed by having to attend Agassiz Elementary, they never even had a clue about his beliefs. And neither did any of the adults apparently, until someone dug it up out of the forgotten bowels of history and starting shouting complaints from the rooftops.
Fighting racism is important. But this is approaching the level of a witchhunt. When people start having to go out of their way to dig for things to get insulted over, it's going too far.
Really, if people want something to get worked up about, they should be far more disgusted with 21st-century companies that are using Martin Luther King's and Jackie Robinson's struggles for equality in order to plug commercial products. (Cingular and Diner's Club are running such ad campaigns right now.)
This is a public institution.
I think this is an argument against the name change, not for it. If we're required to submit to this kid's objections, and yet we're not required to submit to the objections of a white supremacist's kid that attends MLK Elementary, we're granting special rights. (Sorry, but rights are either applicable to all or they're not, no matter how scummy the other side might be.) Better to just stay out of it.
posted by aaron at 12:17 AM on March 21, 2001
Of course we are. Naming a public institution after someone is a celebration of that person. I see nothing wrong with no longer celebrating someone who believed black people were so degenerate they might not actually be human at all.
In 100 years if our own attitudes are considered backward and insensitive, tear our names off the buildings too. Time belongs to the present.
posted by rcade at 11:54 AM on March 21, 2001
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