Mugabe's secret plan to evict all whites
August 26, 2001 2:22 AM Subscribe
posted by marknau at 3:24 AM on August 26, 2001
What one hopes is that the young, radical black South African political leaders will watch the chaos and starvation and learn not to emulate Mugabe's actions in the RSA. Many South Africans I know are carefully building their assets overseas and doing they can to cultivate social and professional resources in the UK, Australia, US, or Canada, to ensure that they can have a prosperous emigre life if necessary. This means, however, that the destruction of South Africa could happen in a matter of months, rather than years, as educated and prosperous South Africans will largely have already overcome the financial and emotional barriers to fleeing the moment it becomes clear that a critical mass of the black political leadership have decided to go it alone.
posted by MattD at 7:32 AM on August 26, 2001
The European countries should have had more sense then to just up and leave like they did, a gradual 'fade' along with demilitarization would have been a much better solution.
Well, yes... But you have to remember, the US that was particularly keen to see the old European empires dismantled and their colonies become independent, and quickly - this was part of the intents of the US's agreement with Great Britain that saw the US enter WWII. It was mainly due to economic reasons that Britain, France and others pulled out of their possessions in Asia, the Middle East and Africa, rather than though any lofty ideals such as spreading the wave of democracy.
Of course, in Zimbabwe's case, it was in fact the white racialist Southern Rhodesian government led by Ian Smith that unilaterally declared independence from the UK in 1965, as a result of disagreement over their racialist polices. Ironic, no?
After then, majority rule was introduced with the formation of Zimbabwe and with that, Robert Mugabe's party was elected into power in 1980. As I recall, they've only become insanely kleptocratic in the past decade.
I wonder if our government will let Mugabe into the country for CHOGM in October...
posted by GrahamVM at 8:59 AM on August 26, 2001
posted by MattD at 9:26 AM on August 26, 2001
That said--I am not in any way defending Mugabe. He is a corrupt, demagogic tyrant, and Zimbabwe will not get anywhere until he is removed from power. But the point to remember is this: his moves against whites (whom he protected for many years, until recently) are just a ploy to get popularity, in order to keep the upper hand against the (largely black) political opposition in Zimbabwe. But the reason this cynical ploy may work, is that the injustices blacks have suffered at the hands of whites, including after independence, are all too real.
posted by Rebis at 10:25 AM on August 26, 2001
posted by NortonDC at 10:49 AM on August 26, 2001
It's not that simple, unfortunately. The one country that is at all free in sub-saharan Africa is the one where Dutch farmers decided to colonize and interceded the most. Coincidence?
And at the other end, Britain allowed the existing power structure to stay intact during their rule of Nigeria. They imposed an "Indirect Rule" that was aimed at allowing the minimum amount of intervention while assisting the development of the country. Nigeria's not a big success story.
My ancestors were conquered and colonized by Imperial Rome. I think the preponderance of evidence is that this was a boon for them in the long run.
posted by marknau at 11:10 AM on August 26, 2001
Mugabe is a crook and a menace, but this so-called "secret memo" seems pretty obviously a fraud of the usual sort promulgated by British realpolitik. No one in Mugabe's party, ZANU-PF, would be stupid enough to explicitly allude in print to a past assassination. ("[...]the 'Pamire-silencing method,' a reference to Chris Pamire, a businessman and former Zanu-PF supporter who fell out with Mr Mugabe and was killed in a mysterious road accident.")
If history is a guide, the next step will be fabricated PR stories of terrible atrocities committed upon good God-fearing white women by savage African squatters.
posted by Allen Varney at 11:13 AM on August 26, 2001
disclaimer: I study this at University - I may know too much to make a 'reasoned' contribution to the debate.
Nigeria, alluded to above has it's own problems to do with the means of control that the British attempted to use, essentially delegating control to cheiftens. Remember this is one of the biggest countries in the Africa. There's also a whole lotta inter-tribal viciousness which has characterised the 'civil' wars of so much post colonial african history. Based mainly on the fact that these countries were not divided demographically, over centuries, like Europe (and look at all that bloodshed) but from above, and essentailly haven't changed their borders all that much.
Zimbabwe. Kleptomaniac thugs. As alluded to above. As ever, huge generalisations are silly ('all white farers are bad'). Some of my relatives are over there ('farming') and they're very decent to their workers. Not saying that they're all good, or even as a 'class' good. But generalisations are a bad thing.
Overall, British colonialism was not about extending Britiains territory and population controlled. Aquasitions were mostly turned down until well into the 'scramble' for Africa, and even then only aquiesced to with great reluctance. The whole aim of British policy was an 'informal' series of controls (similar to the arrangement with the slave trade, where local african tribes did the capturing before selling the slaves on at heavily guarded trading posts). The aim was to maintain Britains trading postition. There were very few Cecil Rhodes' about.
Post colonialsm was handled badly. But any way that it went was always going to be bad. re: markanu's earlier point about germany. After that one went down we got the 'dark ages' (yes, historically speaking they weren't all that dark, but still, you get my point). Also, I thing you'll find that the roman empire only controlled up to the Rhine border at most, exactly where do your people come from in Germany? If Varus' legions hadn't been taken apart at the Teutonburg Forest (I think, can't remember the exact name of the battle) then things might have been different.
Sorry this was so long, but history is darn Important!
posted by nedrichards at 3:15 PM on August 26, 2001
posted by sudama at 3:25 PM on August 26, 2001
Here's a rather over-the-top page supporting the farmers. This page may be racially offensive. Some of the pictures are also rather gory. And the spelling is bad.
posted by Mo Nickels at 4:38 PM on August 26, 2001
Great sports section though.
posted by nedrichards at 4:52 PM on August 26, 2001
posted by Kevs at 4:57 PM on August 26, 2001
Now there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one.
posted by kindall at 6:40 PM on August 26, 2001
posted by raysmj at 9:47 PM on August 26, 2001
> so long as you think that you are white, there is no hope
> for you.
On the other hand, just let me whisper that I don't think of myself as white and then listen to Mr. S. wail "You hypocrite, you're wallowing in all your white privileges and refusing to acknowledge it."
Since all choices will be marked incorrect, you'll forgive me for skipping the question and frying other fish.
posted by jfuller at 10:49 AM on August 27, 2001
How do you suppose you can support a statement like this?
posted by sudama at 11:13 AM on August 27, 2001
posted by sudama at 11:15 AM on August 27, 2001
Wouldn't dream of it, S. I do, however, recall words that have already come out of your mouth.
Let me just assure you that I don't think I'm white, I never notice color. There, are y'all happy and full of hope now? (fuller enquires cheerfully, fangs showing.)
posted by jfuller at 11:41 AM on August 27, 2001
Liberal democracy seems to require centuries of building the proper cultural foundations.
Culture is the most unevenly applied concept in social commentary, perhasp second only to nature. African postcolonials having problems, its cultural. Say gender is a cultural construct, oh no! Can't have that! Evolution! Going against nature! I would elaborate but everyone knows this schtick on both sides. My point is that it is inconsistent and it stinks.
posted by rschram at 11:47 AM on August 27, 2001
posted by nedrichards at 12:56 PM on August 27, 2001
Yet according to the Associated Press,
"Kofi Annan knew about the Rwandan government's plans to exterminate minority Tutsis and his office ordered U.N. peacekeepers not to intervene, the New Yorker magazine reported today.
While the world body has admitted that mistakes were made, U.N. officials have blocked attempts to determine who was directly involved in the decision not to act.
A copy of a fax from U.N. Headquarters, obtained by the New Yorker, showed that order not to intervene was from Annan -- now the U.N. secretary-general."
posted by websavvy at 1:14 PM on August 27, 2001
posted by nedrichards at 3:27 PM on August 27, 2001
I just thought that since the rest of the thread seemed so gloomy about Africa, a piece championing it would add some much needed optimism. I do bleive that things will get better, that it may take time, but that eventually things'll be OK. Without that sort of optimism I'd find it hard to have any confidence at all in life. Especialy given the sort of things that happened in Rwanda.
Interestingly I've just found an interview with Annan at the BBC talking about the genocide. He blames a 'lack of international will', acknowledging that the UN knew what was happening. He's also started an inquiry. Asks questions not just about him but about us and our governments.
posted by nedrichards at 4:20 PM on August 27, 2001
> There is the gloriously well connected showbiz
> correspondent Baz Bamigboye; Diran Adebayo the pacy
> novelist and his brother Dotun who is a publisher and
> much else. Ekow Eshun the smoothie culture critic,
> Ozwald Boateng who has turned Saville Row into an
> exciting place, Zainab Badawi the journalist, the artist
> Chris Ofili, Seal, the singer, Bishop Sentamu who sat on
> the Lawrence Inquiry and is as wise as Rabbi Hugo Gryn.
> Chiwetel Ejiofor, the actor who played Romeo at the
> National last year, is thought to be one of our best
> young actors today. David Oyelowo was an utterly
> credible King Henry VI at the Barbican last season.
> Mixed-race people with an African parent would add
> dozens more names and would obviously include Paul
> Boateng who is rising up the ministerial ladder fast.
Um, are any of these persons still in Africa? Or is the dust of their exit still settling?
posted by jfuller at 6:33 AM on August 28, 2001
I think answers that. She was just refuting the racist assumption that africans couldn't be good at anything. Or so I thought anyway.
posted by nedrichards at 9:46 AM on August 28, 2001
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The European countries should have had more sense then to just up and leave like they did, a gradual 'fade' along with demilitarization would have been a much better solution.
posted by delmoi at 3:00 AM on August 26, 2001