"Suppose you're devising a logo for a new wing of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency,
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"Suppose you're devising a logo for a new wing of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, an office charged with developing intelligence tools and integrating the government's existing surveillance networks. Suppose that it has a vaguely sinister name—say, the Information Awareness Office—and that it's to be run by a former Iran-contra conspirator. What would your design be?"
but didja notice what part of the world the eye is looking at? hmmmm...
double bubble maybe-but maybe not
posted by amberglow at 7:39 PM on October 7, 2002
double bubble maybe-but maybe not
posted by amberglow at 7:39 PM on October 7, 2002
Creepy. It makes me think of the Eye depicted in Broken Saints. I would think that a secretive government office would not illustrate its purpose with such a transparent metaphor. (Contrast with appropriately vague logos from the CIA and NSA.)
posted by Galvatron at 7:42 PM on October 7, 2002
posted by Galvatron at 7:42 PM on October 7, 2002
Metafilter was a little ahead of Reason mag in pointing out the creepiness of the logo.
Anyway, the design is just as asinine as putting John Poindexter in charge of the project.
posted by pitchblende at 7:46 PM on October 7, 2002
Anyway, the design is just as asinine as putting John Poindexter in charge of the project.
posted by pitchblende at 7:46 PM on October 7, 2002
but didja notice what part of the world the eye is looking at? hmmmm...
I think the reason the globe is positioned that way is for PR purposes. They wanted the globe turned so that America can't be seen; otherwise, It looks like this giant eye is staring at America, spying on John Q. Public. So, the globe's positioned so that the Big Eye (TM) isn't staring at America.
posted by unreason at 8:06 PM on October 7, 2002
I think the reason the globe is positioned that way is for PR purposes. They wanted the globe turned so that America can't be seen; otherwise, It looks like this giant eye is staring at America, spying on John Q. Public. So, the globe's positioned so that the Big Eye (TM) isn't staring at America.
posted by unreason at 8:06 PM on October 7, 2002
Man, the freemasons are always getting recognized on government logos. When do the stonecutters get a chance?
posted by SimStupid at 8:40 PM on October 7, 2002
posted by SimStupid at 8:40 PM on October 7, 2002
It's a free-masonry symbol, of course, and also of the (heh heh) Illuminati. Even in its least-conspiratorial form, the pyramid, with its highest, visionary point separate from its lower parts, is a relic of enlightenment ideas about the Great Chain of Being, with European men on the top.
posted by Hildago at 8:57 PM on October 7, 2002
posted by Hildago at 8:57 PM on October 7, 2002
gsteff: the logo reminds me of Empedocles's theory: "invisible rays (like cat's whiskers) come out of our eyes; when a ray touches an object, we feel it in the ray" (pdf file - bottom page 4 - or google cache). If you like a puzzle, try to figure out why is false (before clicking the links).
Hildago: It's a free-masonry symbol,...
hmmm, I though it was the other way around.
posted by MzB at 9:13 PM on October 7, 2002
Hildago: It's a free-masonry symbol,...
hmmm, I though it was the other way around.
posted by MzB at 9:13 PM on October 7, 2002
Semiotically speaking, this is the most inept administration in years.
Heh. I could follow this, but they lost me with this.
posted by eddydamascene at 12:14 AM on October 8, 2002
Heh. I could follow this, but they lost me with this.
posted by eddydamascene at 12:14 AM on October 8, 2002
I know it's early in the morning, I know I'm a bleeding heart European, but this is a joke riiight?
posted by fullerine at 1:18 AM on October 8, 2002
posted by fullerine at 1:18 AM on October 8, 2002
MzB: It could be that the rays just decay really fast over distance in the absence of light... (granted, at that point you get kicked in the face by occam, but still).
posted by fvw at 4:53 AM on October 8, 2002
posted by fvw at 4:53 AM on October 8, 2002
fullerine: if by "joke" you mean amusing in a depressing, gallows-humor kind of way, then yes it is. If by "joke" you mean "not true," then, well, no.
posted by ook at 8:26 AM on October 8, 2002
posted by ook at 8:26 AM on October 8, 2002
Bad design does not a conspiracy make.
Yeah, but good design can prettify and critque bad policy simulatenously. And sadly, bad design can distract from the badness of a policy (with its ugliness.)
It would be nice if the designers had fucked up semiotics intentionally - but just look at the government's long history of refusing to recognize the power of design... rather than admit that design counts for anything at all, they go for the solution which looks most iconographic. Consider the risible dullness of our money, the state of the Florida ballot, or the overall illegibility of our tax forms.
Thank goodness for our stamp designers, tho!
posted by DenOfSizer at 11:03 AM on October 8, 2002
Yeah, but good design can prettify and critque bad policy simulatenously. And sadly, bad design can distract from the badness of a policy (with its ugliness.)
It would be nice if the designers had fucked up semiotics intentionally - but just look at the government's long history of refusing to recognize the power of design... rather than admit that design counts for anything at all, they go for the solution which looks most iconographic. Consider the risible dullness of our money, the state of the Florida ballot, or the overall illegibility of our tax forms.
Thank goodness for our stamp designers, tho!
posted by DenOfSizer at 11:03 AM on October 8, 2002
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I have to disagree with reason's description of the sci-fi death ray though. As cool as that would be, I think its just an eye illuminating the globe, although glowing is, optically, the exact opposite of what an eye should do.
posted by gsteff at 7:15 PM on October 7, 2002