Hail to the thief
April 19, 2003 3:00 AM   Subscribe

The title of Radiohead's sixth album:          Hail To The Thief
lyrics:
are you such a dreamer to put the world to rights...

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posted by bureaustyle (45 comments total)
 
It's an ironic title given the number of pirated copies floating about. Most of my friends have already got it.
posted by RokkitNite at 3:14 AM on April 19, 2003


The title may intentionally reflect the pirating that's going on - Radiohead have spoken out in support of file swapping. However, they are pissed off because many of the leaked files were of an incomplete, unpolished album mix.
posted by Jimbob at 3:32 AM on April 19, 2003


Ateaseweb:
The title of Radiohead's sixth album 'Hail To The Thief' is also an anti-George W. Bush slogan used by protesters at the end of the controversial election campaign that put him into the White House. The phrase 'Hail To The Thief' was coined by protesters at the end of the 2000 US Presidential election, when controversy famously surrounded Bush's rise to office. The battle between Bush and Democrat candidate Al Gore came to a bitter end, with the result in the key state of Florida dogged by recounts, amid allegations of unfairness in the voting process.

I am not so sure about the inferiority of the mix. I like it a lot. Maybe this is just a marketing strategy or they are pissed off that the mix leaked. The new album is probably their best. Amazingly wide in scope with electronic experiments, slightly schmaltz ballads, ambientish tracks and real rockers. My two favourite tracks are Backdrifts and Where I End and You Begin. Very hypnotic stuff.
posted by alex63 at 3:53 AM on April 19, 2003


I haven't had a chance to listen to the entire album yet, but so far I really enjoy We Suck Young Blood. Great, insanely brilliant song.

As far as the rest of the album goes, I think it's so-so. I like many of the songs, but I don't think any of them live up to Just. I don't know why I love that song so much, maybe it was the music video. But that's got to be my favorite song ever.
posted by premiumpolar at 4:15 AM on April 19, 2003


Bush's rise to office.

Oh please.

The U2 comparisons are accurate.

Pissy, hateful diatribes about transportation, the celebration of the mundane, and threats sweetly sung are sorely missed, or maybe they aren't.
posted by hama7 at 4:36 AM on April 19, 2003


However, they are pissed off because many of the leaked files were of an incomplete, unpolished album mix.

The exact same thing that happened to AudioSlave.
posted by Resonance at 5:06 AM on April 19, 2003


I really like the track 'there there.' Really like it. Really really like it. Sure Thom is a bit twee, but Johnny's guitar playing is so dreamy!
posted by n9 at 7:17 AM on April 19, 2003


The fact that an slightly-above-average band like Radiohead can be elevated to godhead status just shows the sorry state of the music scene today.
posted by jonmc at 7:43 AM on April 19, 2003


To each his own, I guess. Having listened to the live versions of the new songs for a while now, I'm deeeeply impressed by what they pulled off in the studio, even if these mixes are primitive.
posted by ghastlyfop at 8:12 AM on April 19, 2003


Their new single is the only thing I've heard, it's definitely grown on me, love the freak-out giutar bit at the end.

FYI Jonny Greenwood (guitarist) says the title is not a direct attack on George W.
posted by hnnrs at 8:18 AM on April 19, 2003


White Stripes could take 'em in a fight.
posted by padraigin at 8:33 AM on April 19, 2003


Oh please.

Pissy, hateful diatribes about transportation. . .


hama7, I always thought you were clueless. Know I really know.

The fact that an slightly-above-average band like Radiohead can be elevated to godhead status just shows the sorry state of the music scene today.

jonmc, I am sorry. Really. Just reach over, pick up all of your old Van Halen tapes, and just let this 'Radiohead thing' pass by. One day soon, Radiohead will be a whisper of wind, while Van Halen will still be rockin' the free world, baby!
posted by The Jesse Helms at 8:39 AM on April 19, 2003


The fact that an slightly-above-average band like Radiohead can be elevated to godhead status just shows the sorry state of the music scene today.

Dude, I don't care for Radiohead either, but deal with it. I'm quite sure I can find fault with a whole lot of the music you enjoy.

Let the people enjoy their 'slighty-above-average' music, and save the "my taste is better than your taste" BS for the people that kind of stuff impresses.
posted by Dark Messiah at 8:42 AM on April 19, 2003


street teamers.
posted by the aloha at 8:49 AM on April 19, 2003


I agree people should like what they like but for the past 4 years or so I cant go ten feet without somebody going on and on about how terrific Radiohead are. "Creep" was an excellent single and the rest is OK, but hardly groundbreaking. I'm just trying to figure out what the big deal is, quite frankly.

And jesse helms, in my entire life I have owned a grand total of 2 Van Halen records, the debut and 1984 and a handful of other tracks I picked up along the way. I like 'em but they're not the be all and end all either.

Let the people enjoy their 'slighty-above-average' music, and save the "my taste is better than your taste" BS for the people that kind of stuff impresses.

I'm not tryinmg to impress anybody. I've heard it. I'm wondering what the hell the big deal is.
posted by jonmc at 8:53 AM on April 19, 2003


Although to answer jesse's last paragraph, I posit this: fifteen years from now I have a feeling that Radiohead will fall into the "embarassing teen/20's angst category" like The Cure or Erasure, where people look at it and say "I can't believe I used to listen to that." On the other hand, 20+ years down the line, put on "Ice Cream Man" or "Beautiful Girls" on the local bars jukebox or a backyard party and I guarantee it'll liven things up which is all VH ever really intended. If you look at it that way Van Halen were actually the bigger artistic success, at least when you take the music on it's own terms. So you inadvertently made a point there, Jesse.

You could obviously argue that music should have other aspirations that entertainment, at least sometimes and you'd be right. I have other bands to satisfy that, but in this case I believe Van Halen comes out ahead. :)
posted by jonmc at 9:02 AM on April 19, 2003




Cooould be the last time i see you aliiiive!
posted by delmoi at 9:07 AM on April 19, 2003


i don't know if it was this album or another(maybe i should shut up now before i really get this wrong), but i had heard Radiohead was planning on not doing any advertising for this album. a non-marketing marketing scheme sort of thing. what was the point of what i just said? i don't know.

hey, why does the bottom bar of my browser say "go to Amazon.com"? i didn't click any links. and right now the cursor isn't on any of the links either. weird.
posted by memnock at 9:14 AM on April 19, 2003


Hey, man, what have you got against Erasure?

*crickets*
posted by kaibutsu at 9:24 AM on April 19, 2003


Jesus, judging Radiohead based on Creep is like rating the Beatles solely on I Want to Hold Your Hand. A nice, catchy little diddy for the masses, but not exactly their defining moment. Listen to OK Computer if you haven't heard much of their stuff. I've met people from different musical backgrounds and interests that still feel it is the single best album of the last decade.

Hail to the Thief, much like Kid A or even OK Computer, needs a couple of listens before it clicks in your brain. Once it does, you won't get it out.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:32 AM on April 19, 2003


jonmc, you're one of my favorite posters (yes, apparently I'm a groupie), but what's the deal with showing up in music threads about sounds you don't like and crapping on them? I'm not embarrased about liking Erasure and I'm kinda getting into the Cure as I go back and visit all those groups WBRU pointed out to me as a kid (who knew The Jesus & Mary Chain were so good? Well, lots of people, just not me.).

There's plenty of good music still being made. As I'm sure you know, you just have to look hard for it. That's been true since rock'n'roll appeared and it will be true until we merge into a collective rock consciousness. Radiohead isn't my favorite band, but I like them just fine. You don't. Just let 'em go and ignore the hipsters who need self-validation so bad they prate on and on to you about whatever group their friends told them to like. Have you heard The Librarians? They might be more up your alley. Either way, there's still good stuff coming out. Even you haven't heard it all.
posted by yerfatma at 9:54 AM on April 19, 2003


Civil_Disobedient said exactly what I wanted to say - Radiohead aren't a band most people like on one listen (which, I think, is why many people say they don't like them), their music is fairly complex, Thom Yorke's voice is meant to be more an instrument than a voice (like Bjork's voice) and it takes a few listens for your ear and brain to learn how to listen to it. Also, one isn't always in the mood for Radiohead, it's not "easy to listen to while you dust the house" music, one has to put a bit of effort it, but it's well worth it. I say this coming from the standpoint of someone with a fairly educated musical ear who never understood what the big deal was, who hated the sound of Thom Yorke's voice, who finally gave OK Computer a solid listening to (without knowing it was Radiohead), and who completely fell in love with the band (Kid A is one of my all-time favourite albums). They write some of the best, most complex, music out there, and as such, how good they are isn't always readily apparent on a casual listen (this also means that their music retains its interest even after many listens, it's deep, not shallow, and meant to be savoured, not eaten in a couple of bites). That said, I'm sure it's possible to give them a fair chance and just not like them, and that's no big deal - I, for one, am just glad to see a band of their decidedly non-commercial bent doing so well.
posted by biscotti at 9:56 AM on April 19, 2003


White Stripes could take 'em in a fight.

Well, Meg White might take on Thom, because he's a bit short and weedy, but that leaves Jack White a bit outnumbered, and he's a bit weedy too. Anyway, it's just funny the way that hama7's responses in threads like this persistently enforce the image of a dried-out philistine.
posted by riviera at 10:18 AM on April 19, 2003


yerfatma and biscotti:

First of all, thanks for the compliment and i usually enjoy your contributions as well.

I have heard OK Computer and like I said, it wasn't bad, but I just wasn't that impressed. Part of it comes also from working in the music biz(however tangentially) where you hear about radiohead constantly. and part of it is just me being a contrarian fuck. Although I do believe what I say.

Jesus, judging Radiohead based on Creep is like rating the Beatles solely on I Want to Hold Your Hand. A nice, catchy little diddy for the masses, but not exactly their defining moment.

I've always been of the opinion that it's a lot harder and more challenging to write great music within the standard pop song framework than the more experimental stuff.(and I don't mean the mechanized, rote pop of Britney and her ilk) It's a greater achievement to write "Louie Louie" "In The Midnight Hour" or "Blitzkreig Bop" than say "Dark Star" or "Pictures At An Exhibition"(ELP). This because the limits of the conventional form give the songwriter something to work against reining in self-indulgence thus allowing the artist to innovate while hewing to the pop verities of catchiness, melody and cogence.(there are exceptions of sourse) So in that sense, "Creep" which does an excellent job of all the things I stated, may actually become their defining moment historically speaking.

And like you said, some of it's a matter of taste. But like record geeks everywhere I just like arguing music.
posted by jonmc at 10:28 AM on April 19, 2003


Don't worry, Jon. They start a vague music thread and what are we supposed to share about? I like it. I hate it. Let's argue.

That being said: oh boy. I have loved some recent Radiohead, and I'm not really loving the new one. It's not much of a shift and the lyrics have taken a bit of a dive into vagueness, I think. I will hold off final judgement until I hear a clearer copy.
posted by RJ Reynolds at 11:37 AM on April 19, 2003


The final mix sounds a lot better than the leaked one. The chorus of harmonies at the beginning of "A Punchup at a Wedding" sounds like a Gregorian chant for the "shock and awe" footage from Baghdad.

Radiohead will last a lot longer than those teen-angst bands; the number of jazz musicians covering their tunes is one indication of longevity.
posted by digaman at 2:09 PM on April 19, 2003


I have to say that I actually prefer Radiohead's live stuff to the stuff that makes it onto their albums (which is good too, don't get me wrong). I haven't been to see them live (unfortunately), but mp3's of a lot of their concerts are floating around, and are well worth picking up. They have a seven-minute version of "Wish You Were Here" that compares favourably to the original Floyd, and Thom Yorke collaborated with Bjork to do a fantastic cover of "I've Seen it All".
posted by Pseudoephedrine at 3:12 PM on April 19, 2003


the number of jazz musicians covering their tunes is one indication of longevity

Wha...?

They have a seven-minute version of "Wish You Were Here"

Wha..?

Don't get me wrong, I love Radiohead - before OK Computer came out I was working at a design studio where they'd got hold of a pre-release tape, so I was familiar with half of it (the left-hand-side - I was sitting next to one of the speakers, the other one was way over the other side of the studio), but when it came out and I took it home I was completely blown away by it. Very aware that I was listening to an absolute classic, from the very first notes.

I think I'll wait, though, for the released version rather than trying to chase MP3s over the net.
posted by Grangousier at 3:24 PM on April 19, 2003


Remember when George W. said he preferred The Bends to OK Computer? Or was that just a really good joke?
And i too will wait until the hard copy is out. A band as mind-twistingly fantastic as Radiohead deserve my twenty euros.
posted by Celery at 3:30 PM on April 19, 2003


And i too will wait until the hard copy is out. A band as mind-twistingly fantastic as Radiohead deserve my twenty euros.

It's a mistake to assume that those who've downloaded the currently-available mp3s won't also be buying the album when it's released.
posted by biscotti at 3:50 PM on April 19, 2003


That "Wish You Were Here" cover was mistakenly ascribed to Radiohead. It was recorded by Sparklehorse, though Thom Yorke does contribute backing vocals.
posted by liam at 4:07 PM on April 19, 2003


riviera, despite our modern usage of the word, the Philistines weren't all bad, really. Neither the Spartans, Barbarians or Luddites, whilst I'm in the area.
It could be that we like to use these terms to enforce the idea of the other, against whom we can direct hate. Whether or not this is a good thing, I don't know.
But I do know that this comment has very little relevance to this thread.
And another thing...
posted by asok at 6:02 PM on April 19, 2003


Wha...?

Pianist Brad Mehldau -- Paranoid Android and Exit Music (for a Film)

Pianist Chris O' Riley -- Knives Out and several other tunes, a whole jazz covers album to follow shortly

Drummer Matt Jorgensen and a very gifted band called 451 -- Everything in Its Right Place
posted by digaman at 7:20 PM on April 19, 2003


I thought they changed their name to Radiotechre.
posted by afx114 at 7:40 PM on April 19, 2003


I think it's Radio Twin now.
posted by hama7 at 11:20 PM on April 19, 2003


if i've learned anything from metafilter, it's that Someone Hates Everything and is Willing to Bitch About it At Length.
posted by pikachulolita at 12:42 AM on April 20, 2003


Lousy stupid everything. What is this, EverythingFilter? Everything used to be cool, like back in the indie days before matter started coalescing into stars, but now it's just like freakin' nothingness, only with stuff in it.
posted by arto at 2:19 AM on April 20, 2003


And most of that's dark.
Dark, black inky black, black black black. You lock me in the cellar and feed me pins!
posted by asok at 4:29 AM on April 20, 2003


Echoing digaman:

The Devil's Workshop Big Band -- Morning Bell, a track featured on the band's debut CD.

A friend has turned me on to Radiohead with some live tracks from a show on 9/16/2000 (Nijmejen, Netherlands, apparently) but as for new releases I'm more excited about Everything Must Go.


posted by emelenjr at 8:48 AM on April 20, 2003


Arto: you win! Hopefully, this will be the end of the blahblahFilter one line comment as we know it.

MetaFilter: Older than matter itself!
posted by billsaysthis at 9:57 AM on April 20, 2003


Hey, I have the same bootleg, emelenjr. My favorite 2 bootlegs are Radiohead Unplugged (which has a very funny cover of "Wonderwall") and Radiohead in Paris at le zenith in October of 1997 -- there's a version of Fake Plastic Trees on this that to me is better than the studio version.

Having thus announced myself as a fan . . . I will note that according to radiohead fan site greenplastic.com, Radiohead is releasing a new, redone version of Pablo Honey with the new Thief album. Cool.

From greenplastic.com: "Radiohead today announced that as a bonus, a brand new version of Pablo Honey will be bundled with copies of Hail to the Thief this June. According to the band's management, the band felt that their first album "sucks" and they wanted to take on the task of reworking and re-recording them all over again. The songs have all been updated with that more "familiar Radiohead sound" including a clarinet/tuba/mouth harp version of "Creep" with Thom originally singing the vocals backwards then with the help of technology, were reversed and then reversed again to produce a stunning interpretation of the band's first hit."

Regarding the album title, I read somewhere where Jonny Greenwood or Thom Yorke were saying that it had nothing to do with Bush or politics at all, they just liked the sound of it. Though that can be so much rock star posturing . . .
posted by onlyconnect at 4:57 PM on April 20, 2003


onlyconnect...
Might want to check the date on that greenplastic update.
posted by ghastlyfop at 6:03 PM on April 20, 2003


Dammit! (Thanks for the heads up.)
posted by onlyconnect at 6:17 PM on April 20, 2003


The U2 comparisons are accurate.

Hama, what U2 comparisons? Do you have a link? I've been comparing the two bands for years (they both bore the shit out of me) and every person I've said that to says I'm crazy. Vindicate me, please!
posted by dobbs at 7:24 PM on April 20, 2003


dobbs, Here's the best I could do:

Radiohead has been described as the 'New
U2'."


"We aren't the new U2," says Thom with an impish grin. "U2 are the new Radiohead."

Radiohead Vs. U2 (basically a fansite), and probably because of the "Thoughtful Rock Band" couple found here.

Another here.

The political activism for debt relief is strangely similar.

But again, they seem to be a mixture of moody navel-gazing and Aphex Twin lately, not that that's necessarily uninteresting to somebody or other.
posted by hama7 at 10:46 PM on April 21, 2003


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