One more voice of reason
February 20, 2004 9:27 AM Subscribe
King of Cambodia supports gay marriage, says that transvestites should be accepted by society
And here I was thinking that old patriarchs were conservative. Cambodia apparently is quite conservative when it comes to GLBT issues, but I wonder if this will change, especially as the king is well loved?
And here I was thinking that old patriarchs were conservative. Cambodia apparently is quite conservative when it comes to GLBT issues, but I wonder if this will change, especially as the king is well loved?
Chicago's mayor has also seen the light.
It is about time.
posted by tcaleb at 9:50 AM on February 20, 2004
It is about time.
posted by tcaleb at 9:50 AM on February 20, 2004
No wonder he's well-loved.
posted by orange swan at 10:01 AM on February 20, 2004
posted by orange swan at 10:01 AM on February 20, 2004
reading older threads I see that asparagirl already mentioned the chicago news. sorry.
posted by tcaleb at 10:07 AM on February 20, 2004
posted by tcaleb at 10:07 AM on February 20, 2004
I remember when it was such a big deal to have a same-sex kiss on a TV show--was Roseanne the first? Now you can turn on the news and see a montage of them every half-hour or so on CNN.
Every day for the past week I have come to work and checked out the photos of the happy couples. I get teary every time! What saddens me is to see the folks who are still being turned away in other parts of the country.
posted by whatnot at 10:09 AM on February 20, 2004
Every day for the past week I have come to work and checked out the photos of the happy couples. I get teary every time! What saddens me is to see the folks who are still being turned away in other parts of the country.
posted by whatnot at 10:09 AM on February 20, 2004
mornin Tom.
And here I was thinking that old patriarchs were conservative.
Cambodian patriarchs or patriarchs in general because we may need to have a new look at some the french kings...
this does not surprise me and is welcomed. Remember, HM is not all that conservative hence his book 'My war with the C.I.A.'
The people do love him but his sons have stirred the pot in recent and even current times. Not to say the current leader of cambodia...though, not a bad job for a KR defector.
posted by clavdivs at 10:13 AM on February 20, 2004
And here I was thinking that old patriarchs were conservative.
Cambodian patriarchs or patriarchs in general because we may need to have a new look at some the french kings...
this does not surprise me and is welcomed. Remember, HM is not all that conservative hence his book 'My war with the C.I.A.'
The people do love him but his sons have stirred the pot in recent and even current times. Not to say the current leader of cambodia...though, not a bad job for a KR defector.
posted by clavdivs at 10:13 AM on February 20, 2004
[inevitable]
Perhaps the king is a queen.
[/inevitable]
posted by jonmc at 10:16 AM on February 20, 2004
Perhaps the king is a queen.
[/inevitable]
posted by jonmc at 10:16 AM on February 20, 2004
meant to edit comment but the site keeps going off-line for a minute or three.
posted by clavdivs at 10:16 AM on February 20, 2004
posted by clavdivs at 10:16 AM on February 20, 2004
jon, you must see this movie
perhaps he is a queen?, get some knowledge, then some humor, then comment.
posted by clavdivs at 10:22 AM on February 20, 2004
perhaps he is a queen?, get some knowledge, then some humor, then comment.
posted by clavdivs at 10:22 AM on February 20, 2004
Perhaps he's the king of queens.
posted by orange swan at 10:24 AM on February 20, 2004
posted by orange swan at 10:24 AM on February 20, 2004
Don't be sorry, tcaleb, you're just spreading the good news!
And Cambodian society, like a lot of SouthEast Asian societies, has long recognized the "third" sex, a term usually applied to gay transsexual men, though sometimes women too. They're called "Katooeys" in Thailand, I think.
posted by Asparagirl at 10:39 AM on February 20, 2004
And Cambodian society, like a lot of SouthEast Asian societies, has long recognized the "third" sex, a term usually applied to gay transsexual men, though sometimes women too. They're called "Katooeys" in Thailand, I think.
posted by Asparagirl at 10:39 AM on February 20, 2004
Asparagirl: Thanks for posting that; I got halfway through a longwinded post on my time in Lao and the general acceptance of Katooeys...
Anyway, I second that opinion.
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 10:42 AM on February 20, 2004
Anyway, I second that opinion.
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 10:42 AM on February 20, 2004
Some good stuff from the ILGA concerning Cambodia.
Same-sex relationships between women and between men are legal. There are no laws or court decisions that prohibit them. There is no difference between laws governing homo- and hetero- sexual prostitution. (Juan Pablo Ordonez - May 1996)
also
There is not such a thing as partnership registration for anybody. Marriage registration is available for everybody. However there is only one known case of homosexual marriage, between two women, last year.
"Khav Sokha and Pum Eth were married on March 12 1995, in the village of Kro Bao Ach Kok, in Kandal Province, where they are from. Sokha said in an interview to the Phnom Phen Post "The authorities thought it was strange, but they agreed to tolerate it because I have three children already (from her previous marriage). They said that if we were both single (and childless), we would not be allowed to get married because we could not produce children". So yes, it is a fully acknowledged marriage, with official approval, and there was not really any reaction to it. It was a curious event which everyone wanted to be part of, to the point that about 250 people went to the ceremony (by Bhuddist monks) and party, including high officials from the Province." (Juan Pablo Ordonez - May 1996) {from same site}
though they spelled Khmer-'Khamer'
posted by clavdivs at 11:03 AM on February 20, 2004
Same-sex relationships between women and between men are legal. There are no laws or court decisions that prohibit them. There is no difference between laws governing homo- and hetero- sexual prostitution. (Juan Pablo Ordonez - May 1996)
also
There is not such a thing as partnership registration for anybody. Marriage registration is available for everybody. However there is only one known case of homosexual marriage, between two women, last year.
"Khav Sokha and Pum Eth were married on March 12 1995, in the village of Kro Bao Ach Kok, in Kandal Province, where they are from. Sokha said in an interview to the Phnom Phen Post "The authorities thought it was strange, but they agreed to tolerate it because I have three children already (from her previous marriage). They said that if we were both single (and childless), we would not be allowed to get married because we could not produce children". So yes, it is a fully acknowledged marriage, with official approval, and there was not really any reaction to it. It was a curious event which everyone wanted to be part of, to the point that about 250 people went to the ceremony (by Bhuddist monks) and party, including high officials from the Province." (Juan Pablo Ordonez - May 1996) {from same site}
though they spelled Khmer-'Khamer'
posted by clavdivs at 11:03 AM on February 20, 2004
This is awesome! C'mon America! Let's see some more civil disobedience!
posted by PigAlien at 11:30 AM on February 20, 2004
posted by PigAlien at 11:30 AM on February 20, 2004
Are gays gonna be to the 00's (the naughties??) as hippies were to the 60's??
I've made my own views on gay marriage clear in other places, but I am all for civil disobedience ... it's better than apathy any ol' day.
[...sends more flowers...]
posted by WolfDaddy at 12:07 PM on February 20, 2004
I've made my own views on gay marriage clear in other places, but I am all for civil disobedience ... it's better than apathy any ol' day.
[...sends more flowers...]
posted by WolfDaddy at 12:07 PM on February 20, 2004
Is there any particular reason that almost every fucking country on earth is becoming morally and ethically superior to the United States?
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 5:03 PM on February 20, 2004
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 5:03 PM on February 20, 2004
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Watching the San Franciscans get hitched made me want to cry, especially the older couples who'd been together for decades. I hope lots of folks take advantage of it here.
posted by answergrape at 9:34 AM on February 20, 2004