Michael Jackson
January 6, 2005 2:11 PM Subscribe
The Case Against Michael Jackson. The Smoking Gun plays prosecutor in what will surely be one of history's most disturbing public trials. Not safe for lunch.
This isn't the fucking check out line.
posted by orange clock at 2:18 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by orange clock at 2:18 PM on January 6, 2005
well, it's less graphic than one fears, thank God. you're very right in the "TSG plays prosecutor" part. I am not sure that this thing should be tried on the Internet, TSG or MeFi. courts aren't obsolete. yet.
posted by matteo at 2:43 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by matteo at 2:43 PM on January 6, 2005
A man [Jackson] who told one pajama-clad boy that he wanted to show him how to "jack off." When the tipsy child declined the demonstration, Jackson announced, "I'll do it for you," and buried his hand in the boy's Hanes briefs, size small.
I shudder to think what would have happened had the "pajama-clad" boy been wearing garanimals.
posted by Juicylicious at 3:04 PM on January 6, 2005
I shudder to think what would have happened had the "pajama-clad" boy been wearing garanimals.
posted by Juicylicious at 3:04 PM on January 6, 2005
Uhm this looks like a complex scenario...there are some "curious" point in the investigation
The book "Poo-Chi," detectives wrote, contained "photographs of female groin area." Officers, they only look like the female groin area! The volume is the, um, inventive work of Mayumi Lake, who photographs underarms and knees to create the illusion that you are looking at a woman's nether region.
That's like a recent link of "fake pron" that was on Boing and here as well.Oh hum that wouldn't be the first case somebody
said "oh look, filth" just because they're looking FOR filth anyplace.
In the inventory, Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department officials reported seizing "The Chop Suey Club" a book described as containing "photos of nude young boys." While it may sound to the uninitiated like some Asian rough trade volume, the book is actually by famed fashion photographer Bruce Weber.
Thin red line indeed.
Whatever...there will be a lot of booing and calls for lynching...we'll see what happens..better to remember he's innocent unless proved guilty.
posted by elpapacito at 3:07 PM on January 6, 2005
The book "Poo-Chi," detectives wrote, contained "photographs of female groin area." Officers, they only look like the female groin area! The volume is the, um, inventive work of Mayumi Lake, who photographs underarms and knees to create the illusion that you are looking at a woman's nether region.
That's like a recent link of "fake pron" that was on Boing and here as well.Oh hum that wouldn't be the first case somebody
said "oh look, filth" just because they're looking FOR filth anyplace.
In the inventory, Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department officials reported seizing "The Chop Suey Club" a book described as containing "photos of nude young boys." While it may sound to the uninitiated like some Asian rough trade volume, the book is actually by famed fashion photographer Bruce Weber.
Thin red line indeed.
Whatever...there will be a lot of booing and calls for lynching...we'll see what happens..better to remember he's innocent unless proved guilty.
posted by elpapacito at 3:07 PM on January 6, 2005
It will be interesting to see how much support Michael Jackson receives on such an obviously homo-lefty site such as this.
The evidence against Mr. Jackson is damning.
-The kids (boys) have contemporaneous testimony to abuse.
-The kids (boys) fingerprints are on nudie mags retrieved from Jackson's residence in locations the kids predicted.
-Sisters of the molested boys testify to their differentiated treatment and to the administration of Jesus juice (wine) for their male siblings.
posted by paleocon at 3:12 PM on January 6, 2005
The evidence against Mr. Jackson is damning.
-The kids (boys) have contemporaneous testimony to abuse.
-The kids (boys) fingerprints are on nudie mags retrieved from Jackson's residence in locations the kids predicted.
-Sisters of the molested boys testify to their differentiated treatment and to the administration of Jesus juice (wine) for their male siblings.
posted by paleocon at 3:12 PM on January 6, 2005
...an obviously homo-lefty site such as this.
Oh, fuck off.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:20 PM on January 6, 2005
Oh, fuck off.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:20 PM on January 6, 2005
What does the Michael Jackson case have to do with Left, Right or otherwise?
posted by dhoyt at 3:21 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by dhoyt at 3:21 PM on January 6, 2005
What does the Michael Jackson case have to do with Left, Right or otherwise?
Those damn lefties actually believe in a presumption of innocence. And, yeah, this post sucks. NationalEnquirerFilter.
posted by jperkins at 3:30 PM on January 6, 2005
Those damn lefties actually believe in a presumption of innocence. And, yeah, this post sucks. NationalEnquirerFilter.
posted by jperkins at 3:30 PM on January 6, 2005
God, paleocon, why are you such a drama queen?
What? Why is everyone looking at me like that? What'd I say?
posted by elwoodwiles at 3:31 PM on January 6, 2005
What? Why is everyone looking at me like that? What'd I say?
posted by elwoodwiles at 3:31 PM on January 6, 2005
This isn't Nam, Saucy, this is Metafilter. There are rules.
posted by billysumday at 3:32 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by billysumday at 3:32 PM on January 6, 2005
dhoyt: don't feed the troll :) or he'll go overweight and nobody will look at him *cry cry momma boy*
But if you really wanna feed him, feed him the following:
- he has got contemporaneous testimony ! Could it be they both lied ? Oh no children don't lie..sure. Also, could it be that what the two said was interpreted as abuse by the same officier that look at the above mags and saw pr0n where there is no pr0n to be see ? Oh no !
- The kids fingerprints were on the nudie mags ! Boy oh boy, that doesn't prove anything, xcept that the kids may have touched the magazine..not that somebody gave it to them.
- Jesus Juice ! Ahhh that's rich ! Cmon have some Jesus juice ! Sister said that she had "differentiated treatement" ? Oh I wanna see sister saying two difficult words like that...what she probably said is that she wasn't much considered by Jackson for whatever reason...obviously that means he's a pedophile doesn't it ?
If that was true, paleocon mysoginism would qualify him as a pedophile, one would think.
But any don't feed him, as he'll just say you're wrong..you can't prove yourself right but in court, because you quite simply don't have any access to evidence...it's a pure speculation game :) Besides, beating a troll isn't that fun
posted by elpapacito at 3:33 PM on January 6, 2005
But if you really wanna feed him, feed him the following:
- he has got contemporaneous testimony ! Could it be they both lied ? Oh no children don't lie..sure. Also, could it be that what the two said was interpreted as abuse by the same officier that look at the above mags and saw pr0n where there is no pr0n to be see ? Oh no !
- The kids fingerprints were on the nudie mags ! Boy oh boy, that doesn't prove anything, xcept that the kids may have touched the magazine..not that somebody gave it to them.
- Jesus Juice ! Ahhh that's rich ! Cmon have some Jesus juice ! Sister said that she had "differentiated treatement" ? Oh I wanna see sister saying two difficult words like that...what she probably said is that she wasn't much considered by Jackson for whatever reason...obviously that means he's a pedophile doesn't it ?
If that was true, paleocon mysoginism would qualify him as a pedophile, one would think.
But any don't feed him, as he'll just say you're wrong..you can't prove yourself right but in court, because you quite simply don't have any access to evidence...it's a pure speculation game :) Besides, beating a troll isn't that fun
posted by elpapacito at 3:33 PM on January 6, 2005
Gosh, it just warms my heart to see such as you defending such as he. Of course, there's no association between homosexuality and sexual abuse of boys. None. None at all.
posted by paleocon at 3:48 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by paleocon at 3:48 PM on January 6, 2005
Oh, yeah. A troll without question. Ignore.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:50 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:50 PM on January 6, 2005
If you read the link, paleocon, there's significant evidence that MJ is not homosexual.
The rest of you, if you have a problem with the post, take it to metatalk.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 4:06 PM on January 6, 2005
The rest of you, if you have a problem with the post, take it to metatalk.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 4:06 PM on January 6, 2005
Ethereal,
Perhaps my reply to you should be...
\parody
"A faggot, without question. Ignore."
\parody
The intolerance by the liberal left of anything that does not fit their definition of "diversity" actually creates a uniformity that suffocates freedom of expression, as we are about to perhaps witness.
posted by paleocon at 4:07 PM on January 6, 2005
Perhaps my reply to you should be...
\parody
"A faggot, without question. Ignore."
\parody
The intolerance by the liberal left of anything that does not fit their definition of "diversity" actually creates a uniformity that suffocates freedom of expression, as we are about to perhaps witness.
posted by paleocon at 4:07 PM on January 6, 2005
Our intolerance of child molestation creates a uniformity that suffocates the freedom of others to express themselves through sexual violence? Oh, God, I hope we're about to witness that. Don't jinx it.
posted by Ptrin at 4:10 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Ptrin at 4:10 PM on January 6, 2005
If Jacko's defense team can't get most of that evidence suppressed, or get the kid's mom to blurt out that she made it all up, he's going to be the King of PC.
posted by sacre_bleu at 4:10 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by sacre_bleu at 4:10 PM on January 6, 2005
I wish this wouldn't turn out like the OJ Simpson circus, but I haven't any change to toss into the well.
posted by Mach3avelli at 4:14 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Mach3avelli at 4:14 PM on January 6, 2005
Dammit, folks, it's pretty clear paleocon is talking about stuff that nobody in this thread has said in order to get a reaction. Sometimes people characterize an unpopular opinion as a "troll" in order to insult the person with that opinion, but in this case, judging from the fact that paleocon is putting all the words in our mouths in order to rail against them, it's pretty clear that this is a real troll. And the only way to fight real trolls is to ignore them, or with a +1 sword of troll-slaying, and unless we're all ready to whip out our dice and rulebooks, ignoring it is much easier.
posted by Bugbread at 4:17 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Bugbread at 4:17 PM on January 6, 2005
No, I really do have a +1 sword of troll slaying and I'm not afraid to use it. It looks just like a Louisville Slugger, but that's because it's enchanted with a disguise.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:24 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:24 PM on January 6, 2005
not a surprise that there's no credit on this piece. poor writing.
posted by mrgrimm at 4:29 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by mrgrimm at 4:29 PM on January 6, 2005
Ok. Which edition rules? I prefer 1st or 2nd, but it's your call.
And then, the hard part. Who's gonna be DM? We all have to agree, or we can't start playing. Neocon, who do you want to DM?
posted by Bugbread at 4:29 PM on January 6, 2005
And then, the hard part. Who's gonna be DM? We all have to agree, or we can't start playing. Neocon, who do you want to DM?
posted by Bugbread at 4:29 PM on January 6, 2005
Dude. Me and my Louisville Slugger determine who's DM. That's me. Paleocon, where do you live?
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:32 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:32 PM on January 6, 2005
I do believe in legal presumption of evidence.
That said, the mountains of evidence against MJ are, to put it mildly, rather damning.
TSG also got hold of the first kid's statement to the police (the kid that settled out of court for a jillion dollars, years ago). Almost textbook pedophilia and predatory behaviour.
People that abuse children should be locked in a room. And then the room should be thrown away.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 4:34 PM on January 6, 2005
That said, the mountains of evidence against MJ are, to put it mildly, rather damning.
TSG also got hold of the first kid's statement to the police (the kid that settled out of court for a jillion dollars, years ago). Almost textbook pedophilia and predatory behaviour.
People that abuse children should be locked in a room. And then the room should be thrown away.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 4:34 PM on January 6, 2005
Maybe he's guilty. Maybe he's not. I am not privy to the facts and neither is anyone else who is not an alleged victim or perpetrator or who is not partaking in the investigation, prosecution, or defense.
I hate to see people tried in the media.
posted by Juicylicious at 4:56 PM on January 6, 2005
I hate to see people tried in the media.
posted by Juicylicious at 4:56 PM on January 6, 2005
I hate to see people tried in the media.
Getting tried in the media is the best possible thing for Jackson, because it gives him grounds to argue that any jury pool in California would be tainted. Think OJ - this stuff does work.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:01 PM on January 6, 2005
Getting tried in the media is the best possible thing for Jackson, because it gives him grounds to argue that any jury pool in California would be tainted. Think OJ - this stuff does work.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:01 PM on January 6, 2005
I hate to see people tried in the media.
True, but what's the alternative? I also like the fact that trials are public.
posted by jonmc at 5:03 PM on January 6, 2005
True, but what's the alternative? I also like the fact that trials are public.
posted by jonmc at 5:03 PM on January 6, 2005
I'm waiting for the real Michael Jackson to come out of hiding, put a stop to this albino extraterrestrial impostor once and for all, and show us all the kick-ass dance moves he's invented over the last ten years.
That said, speaking as a left-wing friend and ally of homosexuals, pagans and communists, anyone who molests children deserves the harshest punishment available under the law of the United States. I will leave it to the court to determine whether or not Jackson is guilty of this heinous crime.
/me sits back and watches paleocon's head explode.
posted by Faint of Butt at 5:48 PM on January 6, 2005
That said, speaking as a left-wing friend and ally of homosexuals, pagans and communists, anyone who molests children deserves the harshest punishment available under the law of the United States. I will leave it to the court to determine whether or not Jackson is guilty of this heinous crime.
/me sits back and watches paleocon's head explode.
posted by Faint of Butt at 5:48 PM on January 6, 2005
It will be interesting to see how much support Michael Jackson receives on such an obviously homo-lefty site such as this.
As opposed to a homo-righty site, a hetero-lefty site, or a discreetly homo-lefty site?
posted by liam at 5:51 PM on January 6, 2005
As opposed to a homo-righty site, a hetero-lefty site, or a discreetly homo-lefty site?
posted by liam at 5:51 PM on January 6, 2005
Dude. Me and my Louisville Slugger determine who's DM. That's me. Paleocon, where do you live?
Is that a threat of physical violence? Has this board ever banned a member for threatening a heterosexual? I know it's banned members for thought crimes against homosexuals.
As for you, Ethereal Bligh, careful what you sow. That brick filled purse you swing may hit you in the head some day.
posted by paleocon at 6:04 PM on January 6, 2005
Is that a threat of physical violence? Has this board ever banned a member for threatening a heterosexual? I know it's banned members for thought crimes against homosexuals.
As for you, Ethereal Bligh, careful what you sow. That brick filled purse you swing may hit you in the head some day.
posted by paleocon at 6:04 PM on January 6, 2005
I know it's banned members for thought crimes against homosexuals.
I'll see your bet and raise you a son_of_minya, Mr. "I hope the federales come after your ass".
As to the post, it's lurid and sensational and not at all what I'd expect from The Smoking Gun.
posted by WolfDaddy at 6:25 PM on January 6, 2005
I'll see your bet and raise you a son_of_minya, Mr. "I hope the federales come after your ass".
As to the post, it's lurid and sensational and not at all what I'd expect from The Smoking Gun.
posted by WolfDaddy at 6:25 PM on January 6, 2005
No, no, he talks to his Louisville Slugger. And have you ever tried to DM a campaign over the net? Friggin' impossible. You really have to do it in person. I'm just jealous, because it's been decided that we're playing at your house, and I was hoping it would be at my house so I don't have to drive anywhere.
posted by Bugbread at 6:28 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by Bugbread at 6:28 PM on January 6, 2005
Still feeding the troll ? Here's an hint , you're dealing with a guy who writes
In the current context of radical Islamofascists killing Christians and Jews at any opportunity they can generate, it is a little difficult to get exercised over a little inflated rhetoric.
But, I'm with Ann Coulter, to wit "Invade their countries. Kill their leaders. Convert them to Christianity."
I report you decide, draw your own conclusions.
posted by elpapacito at 6:44 PM on January 6, 2005
In the current context of radical Islamofascists killing Christians and Jews at any opportunity they can generate, it is a little difficult to get exercised over a little inflated rhetoric.
But, I'm with Ann Coulter, to wit "Invade their countries. Kill their leaders. Convert them to Christianity."
I report you decide, draw your own conclusions.
posted by elpapacito at 6:44 PM on January 6, 2005
Has anyone heard of his owning a large house in Rio, Brazil, in a section of town know for child prostitution? I learned about that place while watching a documentary a while back. Completely disgusting.
posted by snsranch at 6:46 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by snsranch at 6:46 PM on January 6, 2005
Aside from the banter, think of poor Cali having to perpetually pay for the freak trial of the moment,,, OJ, Peterson, Jackson....
posted by buzzman at 6:50 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by buzzman at 6:50 PM on January 6, 2005
Is that a threat of physical violence? Has this board ever banned a member for threatening a heterosexual?
No. Threatening heterosexuals is explicitly permitted (nay, encouraged!) in the user agreement we all signed. Being a bunch of homo lefties. (Hey, I'm left-handed, does that make me a homo lefty-lefty? Except that I'm not really much of a homo, damn.....).
posted by Infinite Jest at 6:54 PM on January 6, 2005
No. Threatening heterosexuals is explicitly permitted (nay, encouraged!) in the user agreement we all signed. Being a bunch of homo lefties. (Hey, I'm left-handed, does that make me a homo lefty-lefty? Except that I'm not really much of a homo, damn.....).
posted by Infinite Jest at 6:54 PM on January 6, 2005
Getting tried in the media is the best possible thing for Jackson, because it gives him grounds to argue that any jury pool in California would be tainted. Think OJ - this stuff does work.
MJ's jury pool consists of people in his district, not the entire state of California. If he can show that the pool is tainted, then the trial can be moved to another district within California. That is entirely different than what occurred in the OJ trial. In that case, the prosecution filed its case in downtown Los Angeles rather than in the district where the crime occurred, in that case Santa Monica. Had the case be filed in Santa Monica, the jury would have been mostly white instead of, as was the case, mostly African-American. OJ's defense played on the sympathies of the jury pool in the district where the case was filed. In no way did OJ argue that the jury pool was tainted. The prosecution totally f'd up and OJ totally lucked out.
True, but what's the alternative? I also like the fact that trials are public.
Public trials and being tried by the media are two different beasts. Nearly all trials* are open to the public. But in cases like this, the media decides what it will publish and how it will spin it in an effort to get higher ratings. Most of us are savvy enough not to be swayed by media garbage. The scary thing is that there are so many people who take everything that they read, hear, and watch as gospel. They lack critical thinking. Or maybe they're just plain doo doo heads.
*There are instances where certain testimony and pre-trial hearings are closed, see this commentary.
posted by Juicylicious at 6:55 PM on January 6, 2005
MJ's jury pool consists of people in his district, not the entire state of California. If he can show that the pool is tainted, then the trial can be moved to another district within California. That is entirely different than what occurred in the OJ trial. In that case, the prosecution filed its case in downtown Los Angeles rather than in the district where the crime occurred, in that case Santa Monica. Had the case be filed in Santa Monica, the jury would have been mostly white instead of, as was the case, mostly African-American. OJ's defense played on the sympathies of the jury pool in the district where the case was filed. In no way did OJ argue that the jury pool was tainted. The prosecution totally f'd up and OJ totally lucked out.
True, but what's the alternative? I also like the fact that trials are public.
Public trials and being tried by the media are two different beasts. Nearly all trials* are open to the public. But in cases like this, the media decides what it will publish and how it will spin it in an effort to get higher ratings. Most of us are savvy enough not to be swayed by media garbage. The scary thing is that there are so many people who take everything that they read, hear, and watch as gospel. They lack critical thinking. Or maybe they're just plain doo doo heads.
*There are instances where certain testimony and pre-trial hearings are closed, see this commentary.
posted by Juicylicious at 6:55 PM on January 6, 2005
Ooops, I forgot Blake.
Cali should at least be charging admission or broadcast rights to these circus acts.
posted by buzzman at 7:01 PM on January 6, 2005
Cali should at least be charging admission or broadcast rights to these circus acts.
posted by buzzman at 7:01 PM on January 6, 2005
I've heard about Jackson's financial woes. But isn't it true that he owns almost all of the rights to the BEATLES catalog? Will this be OJ 2? The sick bastard has enough cash flow to waste away the time forever! Please, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, DON'T LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!
posted by snsranch at 7:03 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by snsranch at 7:03 PM on January 6, 2005
paleocon, you ain't in Canada yet, so quit yer bitchin'.
posted by shepd at 7:06 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by shepd at 7:06 PM on January 6, 2005
Jackson's bathroom, where he apparently spends quality time, yielded all sorts of interesting items, including open bottles of Jack Daniels and Pinot Noir, a book "containing nude photographs of men," two nude art magazines, and three "books containing nude photos in plastic bag." Other assorted items scooped by the raiding party were a "book containing pictures of children on beach," a photo inscribed "To Apple Head," a letter addressed "Dear Apple Head," commercially produced photographs of semi-nude girl, and a Liza Minnelli Christmas invitation.
Damning evidence indeed.
And paleocon, what's your problem? Closet too tight?
posted by jokeefe at 8:00 PM on January 6, 2005
Damning evidence indeed.
And paleocon, what's your problem? Closet too tight?
posted by jokeefe at 8:00 PM on January 6, 2005
Jackson never really struck me as the "drink whisky while taking a shit" kind of guy. Live and learn, I guess.
posted by cmonkey at 8:37 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by cmonkey at 8:37 PM on January 6, 2005
paleocon - I'm a relatively "new" partcipant here on MeFi
I would welcome your backing up and illustrating for me support for your claim - mentioned above - "Has this board ever banned a member for threatening a heterosexual? I know it's banned members for thought crimes against homosexuals."
posted by ericb at 9:28 PM on January 6, 2005
I would welcome your backing up and illustrating for me support for your claim - mentioned above - "Has this board ever banned a member for threatening a heterosexual? I know it's banned members for thought crimes against homosexuals."
posted by ericb at 9:28 PM on January 6, 2005
I'm curious as to how one detects "thought crimes". Does one need an "ergometer" from the Scientologists?
posted by ericb at 9:33 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by ericb at 9:33 PM on January 6, 2005
Oh ... wait a minute ... I found the oracle of thought crimes here.
posted by ericb at 9:35 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by ericb at 9:35 PM on January 6, 2005
*on preview* ... I have come to the conclusion that it's not wise to feed this troll (paleocon) - since he/she is likely not able to defend his/her claim above.
Sweet dreams my prince. Oops, I'm sorry - my princess. "Me thinks you doth protest too much..."
"Not there's anything wrong with that..."
posted by ericb at 9:49 PM on January 6, 2005
Sweet dreams my prince. Oops, I'm sorry - my princess. "Me thinks you doth protest too much..."
"Not there's anything wrong with that..."
posted by ericb at 9:49 PM on January 6, 2005
cmonkey- we're going to find out he's been kicking it with Lemmy or something.
posted by 235w103 at 10:33 PM on January 6, 2005
posted by 235w103 at 10:33 PM on January 6, 2005
Ecch... that whole piece is just gross, true or no. More Lebowski quotes.
Shut the fuck up, Donny
posted by bdave at 11:27 PM on January 6, 2005
Shut the fuck up, Donny
posted by bdave at 11:27 PM on January 6, 2005
I have it on good authority that paleocon is the model for the goatse pic (111 was taking the photo, and he told me)
posted by matteo at 6:18 AM on January 7, 2005
posted by matteo at 6:18 AM on January 7, 2005
My take, not that anyone much cares:
Jackson is wacko. I suspect his mental age is pretty much stuck at the Jackson Five ABC era. Raised a Jehovah's Witness, beat to shit by his abusive father, pawned as an income stream, and singing adult lyrics as a little boy. Little wonder he's completely fucked-up.
IMO, he's a child in a man's body.
I think it's very likely he acted inappropriately with children. I'm not entirely sure it's pedophilia in a conventional sense of the word: one wouldn't accuse a low-functioning Down's Syndrome adult of being a pedophile, f'rinstance. Actions might be the same, but the ... intent? cause? ... would be entirely different, and thus requires a different consequence.
There are a lot of people who seem intent on hurting MJ simply because he is freakin' weird and wealthy. I hope he gets a fair investigation and fair trial. I don't care much one way or the other whether he's found guilty, just so long as the verdict is an honest one based on facts, not speculation and rumour.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:12 AM on January 7, 2005
Jackson is wacko. I suspect his mental age is pretty much stuck at the Jackson Five ABC era. Raised a Jehovah's Witness, beat to shit by his abusive father, pawned as an income stream, and singing adult lyrics as a little boy. Little wonder he's completely fucked-up.
IMO, he's a child in a man's body.
I think it's very likely he acted inappropriately with children. I'm not entirely sure it's pedophilia in a conventional sense of the word: one wouldn't accuse a low-functioning Down's Syndrome adult of being a pedophile, f'rinstance. Actions might be the same, but the ... intent? cause? ... would be entirely different, and thus requires a different consequence.
There are a lot of people who seem intent on hurting MJ simply because he is freakin' weird and wealthy. I hope he gets a fair investigation and fair trial. I don't care much one way or the other whether he's found guilty, just so long as the verdict is an honest one based on facts, not speculation and rumour.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:12 AM on January 7, 2005
shepd: It is necessary to note that the link you provides describes a case in which a fellow took out a newspaper advertisement that referenced biblical passages advocating the killing of homosexuals.
It was a by-proxy call to violence. It is illegal to organize and/or incite violence against others in this country, and so the case was appropriately prosecuted and the verdict came down on the side of the law.
This is the severalth time that you have appeared to try to use that case as some sort of proof of anti-Christian laws and/or attitudes in Canada. I, for one, would really appreciate it if you'd dismount that mis-begot hobby horse and find some new material.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:18 AM on January 7, 2005
It was a by-proxy call to violence. It is illegal to organize and/or incite violence against others in this country, and so the case was appropriately prosecuted and the verdict came down on the side of the law.
This is the severalth time that you have appeared to try to use that case as some sort of proof of anti-Christian laws and/or attitudes in Canada. I, for one, would really appreciate it if you'd dismount that mis-begot hobby horse and find some new material.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:18 AM on January 7, 2005
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