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April 13, 2005 4:48 PM Subscribe
The Papal conclave will soon begin, and at least two blogs have appeared that offer news and commentary on the process.
I'm hoping for the Nigerian cardinal to be chosen, for a number of reasons. Hopefully he can strengthen Catholic-Muslim realations the way John Paul II did between Catholics and Jews. And it'll force any bigoted Catholics to confront their racism.
posted by jonmc at 4:58 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by jonmc at 4:58 PM on April 13, 2005
What? The pope died? John Paul II? Why wasn't I informed?!
posted by graventy at 5:07 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by graventy at 5:07 PM on April 13, 2005
amberglow writes "I didn't see anything about all the young boys required for the conclave."
Well, that didn't last long, did it?
But I'm sure Cardinal Law has it all covered...
...up. (Ba-dump-bump!)
Ok, now that that's out of our systems, can we have an FPP that explores ideas we haven't already done to death a thousand times in the last two weeks? Maybe surprise each other with insights that we don't read off our ideological cue-cards?
I come here because there are so many very smart people here who can say very many interesting things, but it gets boring if you all just repeat the same tired lines over and over. It's like being in a room full of Predictable_Parrots_at_Metafilter. One of those is enough! Let's surprise each other with unscripted, untried, fresh new thoughts!
posted by orthogonality at 5:09 PM on April 13, 2005
Well, that didn't last long, did it?
But I'm sure Cardinal Law has it all covered...
...up. (Ba-dump-bump!)
Ok, now that that's out of our systems, can we have an FPP that explores ideas we haven't already done to death a thousand times in the last two weeks? Maybe surprise each other with insights that we don't read off our ideological cue-cards?
I come here because there are so many very smart people here who can say very many interesting things, but it gets boring if you all just repeat the same tired lines over and over. It's like being in a room full of Predictable_Parrots_at_Metafilter. One of those is enough! Let's surprise each other with unscripted, untried, fresh new thoughts!
posted by orthogonality at 5:09 PM on April 13, 2005
For some reason, I had read that as "paypal conclave".
posted by vorfeed at 5:12 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by vorfeed at 5:12 PM on April 13, 2005
...can we have an FPP that explores ideas we haven't already done to death a thousand times in the last two weeks? Maybe surprise each other with insights that we don't read off our ideological cue-cards?
This FPP didn't raise any ideas, and is about a entirely secret process full of secretive people. We all know who the frontrunners are, and none of them are expected to change anything in the Catholic world, including their coveringup for horrible misdeeds, and blind eye to the AIDS pandemic. What do you want?
posted by amberglow at 5:12 PM on April 13, 2005
This FPP didn't raise any ideas, and is about a entirely secret process full of secretive people. We all know who the frontrunners are, and none of them are expected to change anything in the Catholic world, including their coveringup for horrible misdeeds, and blind eye to the AIDS pandemic. What do you want?
posted by amberglow at 5:12 PM on April 13, 2005
ayup, I too wonder what new ideas can come out of this? odds on favorite is the german fellow, he is pretty damn conservative
posted by edgeways at 5:27 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by edgeways at 5:27 PM on April 13, 2005
amberglow writes "This FPP didn't raise any ideas, and is about a entirely secret process full of secretive people. We all know who the frontrunners are, and none of them are expected to change anything in the Catholic world, including their coveringup for horrible misdeeds, and blind eye to the AIDS pandemic. What do you want?"
I want extrapolations of what would go on if, as vorfeed writes it really were a " 'paypal conclave'."
Or, what if all the voting Cardinals subscribed to fark.com?
Or if the entire conclave consisted of clones of Andrea Dworkin?
Or if they were all Unitarians trying to elect a single pre-eminent leader of all Unitarians.
Come, on, give me some fresh funny takes on it!
posted by orthogonality at 5:32 PM on April 13, 2005
I want extrapolations of what would go on if, as vorfeed writes it really were a " 'paypal conclave'."
Or, what if all the voting Cardinals subscribed to fark.com?
Or if the entire conclave consisted of clones of Andrea Dworkin?
Or if they were all Unitarians trying to elect a single pre-eminent leader of all Unitarians.
Come, on, give me some fresh funny takes on it!
posted by orthogonality at 5:32 PM on April 13, 2005
No mention of Pope Watch? That's my favourite mix of recycled news and adsense profiteering.
posted by tapeguy at 5:43 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by tapeguy at 5:43 PM on April 13, 2005
I don't get the point of conclave blogs... given that the Cardinals will be sequestered the whole time. I can imagine the daily entries right now: "Day 4. Still no Pope."
Seriously... no news will be coming from the Cardinals until the "habemus Papam" is declared, and no outside news will reach them either.
posted by clevershark at 6:11 PM on April 13, 2005
Seriously... no news will be coming from the Cardinals until the "habemus Papam" is declared, and no outside news will reach them either.
posted by clevershark at 6:11 PM on April 13, 2005
Mel Gibson would be a great pope!
posted by furiousxgeorge at 6:17 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by furiousxgeorge at 6:17 PM on April 13, 2005
For anyone who actually wants to discuss this...
Apparently the Italian paper Corriere della Sera has reported that Ratzinger has at least 40 cardinals behind him. Personally, I hope this isn't the case, as he's been a big enforcer of the rigidity and centralization of John Paul's papacy. I also think he might be a little old, at 77, but at least it would be a short papacy.
Jon, I am not so enthusiastic about Arinze, mainly because he is perhaps to the right of John Paul on social issues. If there were an African with the ideas of Cardinal Daneels, who can at least countenance the possibility of the ordination of women and the use of condoms, I would certainly support him.
posted by lackutrol at 6:52 PM on April 13, 2005
Apparently the Italian paper Corriere della Sera has reported that Ratzinger has at least 40 cardinals behind him. Personally, I hope this isn't the case, as he's been a big enforcer of the rigidity and centralization of John Paul's papacy. I also think he might be a little old, at 77, but at least it would be a short papacy.
Jon, I am not so enthusiastic about Arinze, mainly because he is perhaps to the right of John Paul on social issues. If there were an African with the ideas of Cardinal Daneels, who can at least countenance the possibility of the ordination of women and the use of condoms, I would certainly support him.
posted by lackutrol at 6:52 PM on April 13, 2005
"world needs a hero(pope) Max"
posted by The Infamous Jay at 8:49 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by The Infamous Jay at 8:49 PM on April 13, 2005
I'm hoping for the Nigerian cardinal to be chosen, for a number of reasons. Hopefully he can strengthen Catholic-Muslim realations the way John Paul II did between Catholics and Jews. And it'll force any bigoted Catholics to confront their racism.
Yeah, but do you think he'd have the gumption to force a change of policy vis a vis the AIDS problem in Africa? You know, the legacy CNN doesn't talk about. I'm sure more than anything it would simply make great theatre and things would continue as usual.
posted by The God Complex at 11:19 PM on April 13, 2005
Yeah, but do you think he'd have the gumption to force a change of policy vis a vis the AIDS problem in Africa? You know, the legacy CNN doesn't talk about. I'm sure more than anything it would simply make great theatre and things would continue as usual.
posted by The God Complex at 11:19 PM on April 13, 2005
amberglow >>> I didn't see anything about all the young boys required for the conclave.
Tsk, tsk, amber. You're better than this, and you do absolutely nothing for our cause with such comments. You're intelligent, insightful, incisive; why stoop to such tricks?
Yes, the issue of child abuse, especially within the Cathilic church, is one which needs to be addressed punlicly, and the wrongdoers need to be hung out to dry. But he equasion Member Of Church Did Bad Thing, Therefore All Members Of Said Church Did Bad Thing Too, well, it's untenable. Yes, there was a culture of silence. Ye,s the bureaucracy of the institution is culpable. But let's lay blame where blame is due, and not tar everyone with the same brush, shall we?
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 12:24 AM on April 14, 2005
Tsk, tsk, amber. You're better than this, and you do absolutely nothing for our cause with such comments. You're intelligent, insightful, incisive; why stoop to such tricks?
Yes, the issue of child abuse, especially within the Cathilic church, is one which needs to be addressed punlicly, and the wrongdoers need to be hung out to dry. But he equasion Member Of Church Did Bad Thing, Therefore All Members Of Said Church Did Bad Thing Too, well, it's untenable. Yes, there was a culture of silence. Ye,s the bureaucracy of the institution is culpable. But let's lay blame where blame is due, and not tar everyone with the same brush, shall we?
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 12:24 AM on April 14, 2005
Surely there has beeon only one pope worthy of note, and he was furry.
posted by bap98189 at 1:52 AM on April 14, 2005
posted by bap98189 at 1:52 AM on April 14, 2005
I'm more interested in the blogs about the Spears / Federline conclave and the fetus which will emerge!
posted by mannythedog at 9:59 AM on April 14, 2005
posted by mannythedog at 9:59 AM on April 14, 2005
I like to imagine that the bishops will decide in the conclave that the filioque was wrong, that the bishop of rome is only the bishop of rome (and not some grand guru godhead type), and that they'd like to rejoin the original church and become orthodox.
I don't think that will happen, sadly.
posted by koeselitz at 5:07 PM on April 14, 2005
I don't think that will happen, sadly.
posted by koeselitz at 5:07 PM on April 14, 2005
Yeah, but do you think he'd have the gumption to force a change of policy vis a vis the AIDS problem in Africa?
Probably not, but no harm in hoping I guess. And I'm glad for any good thing.
posted by jonmc at 5:29 PM on April 14, 2005
Probably not, but no harm in hoping I guess. And I'm glad for any good thing.
posted by jonmc at 5:29 PM on April 14, 2005
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I didn't see anything about all the young boys required for the conclave. Or is that covered by the oath? Or does the Vatican always have a ready supply?
/disgusted with all of them
posted by amberglow at 4:55 PM on April 13, 2005