The American Taliban
June 6, 2005 7:01 PM Subscribe
The American Taliban. Christian fundamentalists in their own words.
Page modified Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:15:19. AM. Not really, wossname, topical.
posted by boo_radley at 7:13 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by boo_radley at 7:13 PM on June 6, 2005
still, having heard some guy on the radio raking Howard Dean over the coals for joking that no Republican has ever had an honest job...as long as they're in charge, it's topical.
posted by paul_smatatoes at 7:22 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by paul_smatatoes at 7:22 PM on June 6, 2005
ok, so a lot of wackos, but from James Dobson -
"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world."
"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."
the first bit is just a lucid perception of impressionability in children, and the second bit is true in a lot of ways. couldn't they find anything more damning?
posted by es_de_bah at 7:34 PM on June 6, 2005
"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world."
"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."
the first bit is just a lucid perception of impressionability in children, and the second bit is true in a lot of ways. couldn't they find anything more damning?
posted by es_de_bah at 7:34 PM on June 6, 2005
Neat... a list of quotes taken completely out of context. Great fucking post.
posted by Witty at 7:39 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by Witty at 7:39 PM on June 6, 2005
Ignoring the fact that we're all pretty much peaked out on outrage already without links like these:
I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
-George H. W. Bush
Does anyone older than I want to expand on the history behind this quote? Googling seems to show that it wasn't taken out of context, that there was no apology, there's no suggestion that the quote is apocryphal. But I can't believe something like that could just slide, not from the president.
posted by Simon! at 7:39 PM on June 6, 2005
I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
-George H. W. Bush
Does anyone older than I want to expand on the history behind this quote? Googling seems to show that it wasn't taken out of context, that there was no apology, there's no suggestion that the quote is apocryphal. But I can't believe something like that could just slide, not from the president.
posted by Simon! at 7:39 PM on June 6, 2005
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
yay.
posted by docpops at 7:43 PM on June 6, 2005
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
yay.
posted by docpops at 7:43 PM on June 6, 2005
Googling seems to show that it wasn't taken out of context, that there was no apology, there's no suggestion that the quote is apocryphal. But I can't believe something like that could just slide, not from the president.
Here is the site of the person who first reported the quote. It seems that he has a different memory of the exact text (not important), and that the validity of the quote itself is questioned pretty heavily (important). I guess we'll have to wait until he gets the document back from the library to find out if it's real or not.
posted by thedevildancedlightly at 7:48 PM on June 6, 2005
Here is the site of the person who first reported the quote. It seems that he has a different memory of the exact text (not important), and that the validity of the quote itself is questioned pretty heavily (important). I guess we'll have to wait until he gets the document back from the library to find out if it's real or not.
posted by thedevildancedlightly at 7:48 PM on June 6, 2005
Rick Santorum* (Sen. R-PA)
*Now known as Rick "Santorum" Santorum
heh heh.
posted by Etaoin Shrdlu at 7:57 PM on June 6, 2005
*Now known as Rick "Santorum" Santorum
heh heh.
posted by Etaoin Shrdlu at 7:57 PM on June 6, 2005
Neat... a list of quotes taken completely out of context. Great fucking post.
Unless the sentence before was "Only a complete fucking whack-job would say my next sentence," I'm not clear on what kind of context would really make a lot of these better.
That said, this is a crap post. First of all, some sources would be nice. Second, grouping people like Fred Phelps with people who actually hold (or even seek) office is disingenuous at best. Finally, there's not really a point to this other than "eeeeeeviiiiill," which, thanks, we already know.
posted by LittleMissCranky at 8:00 PM on June 6, 2005
Unless the sentence before was "Only a complete fucking whack-job would say my next sentence," I'm not clear on what kind of context would really make a lot of these better.
That said, this is a crap post. First of all, some sources would be nice. Second, grouping people like Fred Phelps with people who actually hold (or even seek) office is disingenuous at best. Finally, there's not really a point to this other than "eeeeeeviiiiill," which, thanks, we already know.
posted by LittleMissCranky at 8:00 PM on June 6, 2005
witty,
I can hardly imagine any 'context' one could put this drivel in for them to be anything other than needlessly inflammatory.
Devildancedlightly.
from your link,
A team of archivists went to work on the matter right away. Within a couple of hours, they had found the documents. They are archived as Item # CF01193-002. They'd be glad to send me a copy, but I'd have to send in an FOI (Freedom of Information Act) request. Due to a backlog of requests, it would take about two years for them to get the documents to me.
I find it disturbing that an archivist would need a FOI request to make such a copy. Seems like they want to pass the buck so they dont have to be in trouble for releasing an inflammatory document.
posted by MrLint at 8:01 PM on June 6, 2005
I can hardly imagine any 'context' one could put this drivel in for them to be anything other than needlessly inflammatory.
Devildancedlightly.
from your link,
A team of archivists went to work on the matter right away. Within a couple of hours, they had found the documents. They are archived as Item # CF01193-002. They'd be glad to send me a copy, but I'd have to send in an FOI (Freedom of Information Act) request. Due to a backlog of requests, it would take about two years for them to get the documents to me.
I find it disturbing that an archivist would need a FOI request to make such a copy. Seems like they want to pass the buck so they dont have to be in trouble for releasing an inflammatory document.
posted by MrLint at 8:01 PM on June 6, 2005
Meh.
I once stopped my car by the side of the road and asked some young black men if they knew of a good place to buy some ribs.
One of them approached my car and asked why I thought it was acceptable to stop and ask a group of young black men where the best place to buy ribs was located.
I've never felt so ashamed of myself in my entire life.
The reason I asked was because I was a Northerner passing through Biloxi, Miss, and my uncle had said, "Don't go through Biloxi without eating some ribs!" He had made it sound so important, and I was in Biloxi so I though - time to get ribs!
God. If anyone ever took that out of context, I'd...well...I suppose I'd look as foolish as the conservative assholes featured on that website.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 8:05 PM on June 6, 2005
I once stopped my car by the side of the road and asked some young black men if they knew of a good place to buy some ribs.
One of them approached my car and asked why I thought it was acceptable to stop and ask a group of young black men where the best place to buy ribs was located.
I've never felt so ashamed of myself in my entire life.
The reason I asked was because I was a Northerner passing through Biloxi, Miss, and my uncle had said, "Don't go through Biloxi without eating some ribs!" He had made it sound so important, and I was in Biloxi so I though - time to get ribs!
God. If anyone ever took that out of context, I'd...well...I suppose I'd look as foolish as the conservative assholes featured on that website.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 8:05 PM on June 6, 2005
One of them approached my car and asked why I thought it was acceptable to stop and ask a group of young black men where the best place to buy ribs was located.
For the same reason I would stop and ask a group of white folks, dressed in long-billed sailing caps and blazers, milling about in Newport, RI, where I might get a nice lobster roll.
posted by Witty at 8:38 PM on June 6, 2005
For the same reason I would stop and ask a group of white folks, dressed in long-billed sailing caps and blazers, milling about in Newport, RI, where I might get a nice lobster roll.
posted by Witty at 8:38 PM on June 6, 2005
Balrog,
Sounds like your question could only be taken out of context in print. If you were attempting to be racially inflammatory i doubt that they would have asked you anything.
posted by MrLint at 8:39 PM on June 6, 2005
Sounds like your question could only be taken out of context in print. If you were attempting to be racially inflammatory i doubt that they would have asked you anything.
posted by MrLint at 8:39 PM on June 6, 2005
LittleMissCranky
this is a crap post.
Point taken. For lefties, this will just preach to the choir. (Who hasn't heard that bit from Ann Coulter about converting Muslims to Christianity?). Fred Phelps is a bonafide wingnut, not really in the same class as say, Dubya, but I guess my point was that all of these folks are thumping the Bible, in one way or another.
And for those of you--Witty, BabyBalrog--who are saying these are just "out of context"...please. I can't imagine a context in which virtually any of these quotes would be acceptable to any sane person. Can you?
posted by zardoz at 8:42 PM on June 6, 2005
this is a crap post.
Point taken. For lefties, this will just preach to the choir. (Who hasn't heard that bit from Ann Coulter about converting Muslims to Christianity?). Fred Phelps is a bonafide wingnut, not really in the same class as say, Dubya, but I guess my point was that all of these folks are thumping the Bible, in one way or another.
And for those of you--Witty, BabyBalrog--who are saying these are just "out of context"...please. I can't imagine a context in which virtually any of these quotes would be acceptable to any sane person. Can you?
posted by zardoz at 8:42 PM on June 6, 2005
So what's your point? I think a lot of the quotes coming from the liberal left are just as insane. So now what?
posted by Witty at 8:47 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by Witty at 8:47 PM on June 6, 2005
Is there a similar compilation for the Evil Liberals? I mean, there's gotta be...
posted by LordSludge at 8:55 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by LordSludge at 8:55 PM on June 6, 2005
I think a lot of the quotes coming from the liberal left are just as insane.
Perhaps you could give some choice examples from current "liberal left" senators, congressman, Christian leaders, or recent former Presidents and attorneys general? I'm genuinely curious; maybe there are just as many crazy Democrats in the Senate for instance and I just don't hear about them.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:59 PM on June 6, 2005
Perhaps you could give some choice examples from current "liberal left" senators, congressman, Christian leaders, or recent former Presidents and attorneys general? I'm genuinely curious; maybe there are just as many crazy Democrats in the Senate for instance and I just don't hear about them.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:59 PM on June 6, 2005
More than a few of these are absolutely wrong and others, at least, apocryphal...some are certainly accurate...but, damn it, a post like this, which has some very shaky, and inflammatory crap, should be more accurate.
posted by 1016 at 9:01 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by 1016 at 9:01 PM on June 6, 2005
So what's your point? I think a lot of the quotes coming from the liberal left are just as insane.
I think the point, Witty, is that there is no context for the majority of those quotes that can do anything to remove them from the Taliban camp. These people at the very least say they want a government just like that one.
More to the point, the things that stop them (namely, the American government), they disavow and try to change, constantly. As the several elected leaders give you a flavor for, these people have a voice in American politics.
A bad FPP? Yeah. But if you can't see that point you couldn't find your ass with a map and both hands. Quit playing stupid.
posted by teece at 9:03 PM on June 6, 2005
I think the point, Witty, is that there is no context for the majority of those quotes that can do anything to remove them from the Taliban camp. These people at the very least say they want a government just like that one.
More to the point, the things that stop them (namely, the American government), they disavow and try to change, constantly. As the several elected leaders give you a flavor for, these people have a voice in American politics.
A bad FPP? Yeah. But if you can't see that point you couldn't find your ass with a map and both hands. Quit playing stupid.
posted by teece at 9:03 PM on June 6, 2005
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."
posted by bevets at 9:06 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by bevets at 9:06 PM on June 6, 2005
Gosh, dittles and bevets make me feel so guilty for voting Democrat. I'll go back to smoking weed and having gay sex now.
posted by bardic at 9:23 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by bardic at 9:23 PM on June 6, 2005
...there is no context for the majority of those quotes that can do anything to remove them from the Taliban camp.
That comparison doesn't work for me. It's cheap and convenient.
But if you can't see that point...
I can't see the point of the post. Who cares what Michael Savage says or thinks? I see two people in that list that might be under 40 years old (which I think is important)... Star Parker and maybe David Barton, who says, "There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America."
And? So what? That's what he believes. You don't have to agree. But that doesn't mean he's evil or even close to an American Taliban.
What's wrong with Reagan's quote? As it reads on that webpage, it's completely taken out of context... as if to say that Reagan was happy about those conditions or working towards such a goal. I find that hard to believe. I'm sure he was simply making an observation about the times.
It's a ridiculous webpage and makes an even more ridiculous post on Metafilter.
posted by Witty at 9:30 PM on June 6, 2005
That comparison doesn't work for me. It's cheap and convenient.
But if you can't see that point...
I can't see the point of the post. Who cares what Michael Savage says or thinks? I see two people in that list that might be under 40 years old (which I think is important)... Star Parker and maybe David Barton, who says, "There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America."
And? So what? That's what he believes. You don't have to agree. But that doesn't mean he's evil or even close to an American Taliban.
What's wrong with Reagan's quote? As it reads on that webpage, it's completely taken out of context... as if to say that Reagan was happy about those conditions or working towards such a goal. I find that hard to believe. I'm sure he was simply making an observation about the times.
It's a ridiculous webpage and makes an even more ridiculous post on Metafilter.
posted by Witty at 9:30 PM on June 6, 2005
This is a great post. Republicans need to hear the voices of those who purport to speak for them.
It pisses me off that people like Dobson are treated like a normal voice by the press. These whackos are out their spewing all the time, why don't more people hear it and care? I used to be the same until about 2002. Then I woke up and realized that there were people like Ashcroft and Cheney running the government. This isn't a partisan issue anymore. This is about how much people are willing to bend over and take it up the ass. I reached my limit several years ago.
posted by UseyurBrain at 9:42 PM on June 6, 2005
It pisses me off that people like Dobson are treated like a normal voice by the press. These whackos are out their spewing all the time, why don't more people hear it and care? I used to be the same until about 2002. Then I woke up and realized that there were people like Ashcroft and Cheney running the government. This isn't a partisan issue anymore. This is about how much people are willing to bend over and take it up the ass. I reached my limit several years ago.
posted by UseyurBrain at 9:42 PM on June 6, 2005
Wow! So much bullshit in such a small place.
Who cares what Michael Savage says or thinks?
I don't know about him, but apparenly there are a lot of dumbfucks who care about what Rush thinks. Or Coulter. They wouldn't be on the air otherwise.
posted by c13 at 9:46 PM on June 6, 2005
Who cares what Michael Savage says or thinks?
I don't know about him, but apparenly there are a lot of dumbfucks who care about what Rush thinks. Or Coulter. They wouldn't be on the air otherwise.
posted by c13 at 9:46 PM on June 6, 2005
Care to consider how some of the most noted theologians outside the U.S. think about our conflation of church and state? Here is an excerpt from Norman Etherington's review of an edited collection of writings about nationalism--and the dangers of mixing religion therewith. This quote is from the late Adrian Hastings. The book this comes from is here. Norman Etherington is associated with the department of History at the University of Western Australia. I have framed this such that those who would defend the statements of these rabidly religious "defenders of liberty" can be assured that the quote that follows is not from a liberal think-tank, though I will assume that you will suspect the opinion of anyone not 100% true/r/w/b American.
Etherington writes: Reflecting on many pernicious alliances between the nationalist state and missionary enthusiasm in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, he (Hastings) finds it quite understandable that the new nations that emerged from the process of decolonization should wish to harness the church to their national aspirations. At the same time he stresses the ever-present danger of subordinating Christianity's transcendent mission to the vagaries of
quotidian politics. However, Hastings identifies the pressing menace to the church universal as the U.S. militant:
"What none of us anticipated was that the gravest nationalist threat to Christianity by the late twentieth century might come from the United States, essentially a rehash of the traditional Christian imperialism of western European countries. It is just the latest example of a self-appointed 'chosen people' carrying forth a gospel message reshaped by its own values and bonded to its own political expansion" (p. 32).
posted by beelzbubba at 9:49 PM on June 6, 2005
Etherington writes: Reflecting on many pernicious alliances between the nationalist state and missionary enthusiasm in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, he (Hastings) finds it quite understandable that the new nations that emerged from the process of decolonization should wish to harness the church to their national aspirations. At the same time he stresses the ever-present danger of subordinating Christianity's transcendent mission to the vagaries of
quotidian politics. However, Hastings identifies the pressing menace to the church universal as the U.S. militant:
"What none of us anticipated was that the gravest nationalist threat to Christianity by the late twentieth century might come from the United States, essentially a rehash of the traditional Christian imperialism of western European countries. It is just the latest example of a self-appointed 'chosen people' carrying forth a gospel message reshaped by its own values and bonded to its own political expansion" (p. 32).
posted by beelzbubba at 9:49 PM on June 6, 2005
And? So what? That's what he believes. You don't have to agree. But that doesn't mean he's evil or even close to an American Taliban.
Sorry, I was unclear. Not all of these people are American Taliban. Those who aren't are coddlers of the American Taliban, to use the language on the web page.
Is there a problem with that? You're damn right there is. Folks like Dobson, Falwell and Robertson don't recognize my right to be a full citizen of the United Statese because I am a non-Christian. Bush I, Bush II, and Reagan, to name a few, all coddle this thinking, (which is wholly "un-American" if you go by the ideas of America's founding fathers).
Are they just expressing their views? Yup. Will any context clarify that? Nope, with the exception of the three Presidents. Should this be something to be concerned about? Hell yes. These people, whatever their individual nature, do not represent a marginal voice. They have a seat at the table with the ruling party.
So yeah, it's worthwhile to me to examine the goddamn scary things some of these people say.
I had an anthropology teacher once tell me that the anthro. definition of war was much broader than armed conflict, and that if anybody declares war on you, you should listen. These people have declared war on me. I'm listening.
posted by teece at 9:56 PM on June 6, 2005
Sorry, I was unclear. Not all of these people are American Taliban. Those who aren't are coddlers of the American Taliban, to use the language on the web page.
Is there a problem with that? You're damn right there is. Folks like Dobson, Falwell and Robertson don't recognize my right to be a full citizen of the United Statese because I am a non-Christian. Bush I, Bush II, and Reagan, to name a few, all coddle this thinking, (which is wholly "un-American" if you go by the ideas of America's founding fathers).
Are they just expressing their views? Yup. Will any context clarify that? Nope, with the exception of the three Presidents. Should this be something to be concerned about? Hell yes. These people, whatever their individual nature, do not represent a marginal voice. They have a seat at the table with the ruling party.
So yeah, it's worthwhile to me to examine the goddamn scary things some of these people say.
I had an anthropology teacher once tell me that the anthro. definition of war was much broader than armed conflict, and that if anybody declares war on you, you should listen. These people have declared war on me. I'm listening.
posted by teece at 9:56 PM on June 6, 2005
Why is this reduced to a left/right dynamic? Really, I don't understand. It's about fundamentalists and wingnuts or at best, extraordinary quotes that somehow don't really mean what you think they mean out of context, but are perfectly sensible in context. I love to see how Coulter's out of context quotations mean something else for example.
Unfortunately, being told that they do or might just doesn't convince me.
This is hardly a John Lennon style we're more famous than Jesus type thing, in which case anyone with an ounce of wit would know he was speaking about how ridiculously famous they were and ridiculously elevated by certain individuals. If they are, let's see the evidence.
posted by juiceCake at 9:57 PM on June 6, 2005
Unfortunately, being told that they do or might just doesn't convince me.
This is hardly a John Lennon style we're more famous than Jesus type thing, in which case anyone with an ounce of wit would know he was speaking about how ridiculously famous they were and ridiculously elevated by certain individuals. If they are, let's see the evidence.
posted by juiceCake at 9:57 PM on June 6, 2005
And a lot of dumbfucks listen to NPR and voted for Kerry.
Yeah, but NPR isn't actively pandering to the fact that they're dumbfucks.
So how about some crazy lefty liberal senator quotes? A crazy liberal attorney general perhaps? Crazy liberal Christian leader? It can't be that hard to come up with a bunch, right?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:59 PM on June 6, 2005
Yeah, but NPR isn't actively pandering to the fact that they're dumbfucks.
So how about some crazy lefty liberal senator quotes? A crazy liberal attorney general perhaps? Crazy liberal Christian leader? It can't be that hard to come up with a bunch, right?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 9:59 PM on June 6, 2005
And a lot of dumbfucks listen to NPR and voted for Kerry.
Yeah, and they also have butt sex, butt sex with animals, practice incest, wichcraft, cannibalism, birth control, and allow their wives to have a voice in domestic affairs and, gasp, even vote. They do all that WHILE listening to NPR.
posted by c13 at 9:59 PM on June 6, 2005
Yeah, and they also have butt sex, butt sex with animals, practice incest, wichcraft, cannibalism, birth control, and allow their wives to have a voice in domestic affairs and, gasp, even vote. They do all that WHILE listening to NPR.
posted by c13 at 9:59 PM on June 6, 2005
You're right Witty. Too many Americans listen to quality radio in seach of facts and opinion. I'm going to listen to nothing but Slipknot and Toby Keith from now on.
posted by bardic at 10:00 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by bardic at 10:00 PM on June 6, 2005
Gosh, dittles and bevets make me feel so guilty for voting Democrat. I'll go back to smoking weed and having gay sex now.
Apprently questioning the accuracy of a quote when the transcriber himself has a different version is no longer allowed. I'm sorry, I'll avoid questioning your "facts" anymore when reality disagrees with your ideology.
Note that I posted a link to somebody who seems to be profoundly anti-Bush (Sr) and he has a different version of the quote. I didn't question the accuracy of the quotes in general, nor justify anything said. I just pointed out an inaccuracy in transcription. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything you've said, unless you're just trolling for fun.
posted by thedevildancedlightly at 10:02 PM on June 6, 2005
Apprently questioning the accuracy of a quote when the transcriber himself has a different version is no longer allowed. I'm sorry, I'll avoid questioning your "facts" anymore when reality disagrees with your ideology.
Note that I posted a link to somebody who seems to be profoundly anti-Bush (Sr) and he has a different version of the quote. I didn't question the accuracy of the quotes in general, nor justify anything said. I just pointed out an inaccuracy in transcription. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything you've said, unless you're just trolling for fun.
posted by thedevildancedlightly at 10:02 PM on June 6, 2005
I love how the term "American Taliban" and "fascist" is thrown around so loosely. Words actually mean things people... This is the twisting of words Orwell spoke about. You may not agree with these people but comparing them to the "Taliban" or a "fascist" is lessening the crimes of theactual Taliban/fascists.
This post could be mirrored on right-wing sites with quotes lifted from leftists to show how they "hate America and our troops." I would be just as dishonest there.
posted by TetrisKid at 10:05 PM on June 6, 2005
This post could be mirrored on right-wing sites with quotes lifted from leftists to show how they "hate America and our troops." I would be just as dishonest there.
posted by TetrisKid at 10:05 PM on June 6, 2005
Kinda funny how I think all the insane dumbfucks are on your side and you feel the same about my side (devil's advocate side anyway).
posted by Witty at 10:05 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by Witty at 10:05 PM on June 6, 2005
Maybe somebody with a pirate freerepublic account could find us a Liberal List.
posted by LordSludge at 10:06 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by LordSludge at 10:06 PM on June 6, 2005
Kinda funny how I think all the insane dumbfucks are on your side and you feel the same about my side
So I guess it's safe to say that you're never going to come up with examples from left wing people in similar positions of power and influence?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:19 PM on June 6, 2005
So I guess it's safe to say that you're never going to come up with examples from left wing people in similar positions of power and influence?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 10:19 PM on June 6, 2005
Maybe, TetrisKid. But that Randall Terry guy sounds kinda serious.
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."
Of course, maybe the guy was talking about the drycleaners who ruined his shirt or something.
Witty, I've read enough of your comments to seriously doubt the devil's advocate thing.
posted by c13 at 10:22 PM on June 6, 2005
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."
Of course, maybe the guy was talking about the drycleaners who ruined his shirt or something.
Witty, I've read enough of your comments to seriously doubt the devil's advocate thing.
posted by c13 at 10:22 PM on June 6, 2005
Well Witty, some of us are a bit curious... if you can find a set of extremist quotes like this but for the left it'd add a whole lot to the discussion. What are some of the insane quotes from the left you've found?
posted by nixerman at 10:22 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by nixerman at 10:22 PM on June 6, 2005
I also find it pretty strange that people are characterizing the speakers on this list as extremists. You've got former Presidents, Senators, and thoroughly mainstreamed journalists. There are a few wingnuts on there but you can safely ignore them and the list loses none of its significance.
posted by nixerman at 10:28 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by nixerman at 10:28 PM on June 6, 2005
I never called anybody a dumbfuck you dumbfuck.
That said, I'd be happy to present the so-called equivalence of Morning Edition and Rush Limbaugh to, let's say, a group of pre-ideological third graders (well, they couldn't be at a Christian or a Montessori school, but just follow). The former had pieces on the deteriorating ecological situation of the Mississippi Delta, a surprisingly non-ideological SC decision on Marijuana that gives the Feds the power to trump state laws on the drug (some of the Jesus-hating judges actually sided with the White House), and a review of the new Coldplay album (reviewer liked it, but I assure you it's shite). Ol' Rush? Oh, so much to choose from. Maybe this: "The Americans with Disability Act has been used to say alcoholism is a disease and you can't fire anybody for it, so technically a cruise line could have a drunk waiter and they couldn't get rid of him when he's working in US waters if you're going to go this way. It's up to you, folks, your country. You know, I got mine."
posted by bardic at 10:34 PM on June 6, 2005
That said, I'd be happy to present the so-called equivalence of Morning Edition and Rush Limbaugh to, let's say, a group of pre-ideological third graders (well, they couldn't be at a Christian or a Montessori school, but just follow). The former had pieces on the deteriorating ecological situation of the Mississippi Delta, a surprisingly non-ideological SC decision on Marijuana that gives the Feds the power to trump state laws on the drug (some of the Jesus-hating judges actually sided with the White House), and a review of the new Coldplay album (reviewer liked it, but I assure you it's shite). Ol' Rush? Oh, so much to choose from. Maybe this: "The Americans with Disability Act has been used to say alcoholism is a disease and you can't fire anybody for it, so technically a cruise line could have a drunk waiter and they couldn't get rid of him when he's working in US waters if you're going to go this way. It's up to you, folks, your country. You know, I got mine."
posted by bardic at 10:34 PM on June 6, 2005
bardic has a really, really excellent point. We have actually gotten to the point where a large portion of Americans actually believe that NPR and Rush Limbaugh are more or less equivalent. Limbaugh is the righty guy evening it out for the oh-so-lefty NPR.
Whatever biases you may or may not feel NPR has, it is in a completely different league when it comes to "playing fair" and being reasonable and what not.
Good catch. It was a crafty little dodge there, Witty.
posted by teece at 10:40 PM on June 6, 2005
Whatever biases you may or may not feel NPR has, it is in a completely different league when it comes to "playing fair" and being reasonable and what not.
Good catch. It was a crafty little dodge there, Witty.
posted by teece at 10:40 PM on June 6, 2005
This is the sort of thing that makes me cultivate paranoid plans in the back of my mind that involve moving all of my Jewish friends and family, and myself to a fortified bunker in the wilderness, armed to the teeth.
Am I crazy?
They can't really kill us all again, right?
Should I arm myself while I'm still considered a citizen?
I know I shouldn't move to Israel because that's what they want me to do...
Does anyone have any thorazine?
posted by Jon-o at 10:42 PM on June 6, 2005
Am I crazy?
They can't really kill us all again, right?
Should I arm myself while I'm still considered a citizen?
I know I shouldn't move to Israel because that's what they want me to do...
Does anyone have any thorazine?
posted by Jon-o at 10:42 PM on June 6, 2005
" NPR and Rush Limbaugh are more or less equivalent" NPR is not into hard drugs.
posted by arse_hat at 10:44 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by arse_hat at 10:44 PM on June 6, 2005
Come now, guys. Witty's looking for the quotes.
I doubt he'll find much, 'cause all of us know you really can't say that much when your mouth is full of aborted babies.
I'm off to bed, maybe he'll find some by morning.
posted by c13 at 10:51 PM on June 6, 2005
I doubt he'll find much, 'cause all of us know you really can't say that much when your mouth is full of aborted babies.
I'm off to bed, maybe he'll find some by morning.
posted by c13 at 10:51 PM on June 6, 2005
It's kind of stacked against Witty, cuz Dean is a little incoherent at times.
posted by bardic at 10:52 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by bardic at 10:52 PM on June 6, 2005
Witty: excellent use of crickets and tumbleweeds to prove yout point about similar "excesses" from the left.
We're still waiting, "dumbfuck."
posted by joe lisboa at 11:21 PM on June 6, 2005
We're still waiting, "dumbfuck."
posted by joe lisboa at 11:21 PM on June 6, 2005
I listen to NPR, by the way... quite often in fact. But I also throw an occasional ear Mr. O'Reilly's way as well (if I'm in the car during that two-hour stretch). I've never listened to even 5 minutes of Rush Limbaugh though. I'm not terribly interested really.
And no, I'm not looking for quotes. Anything out of Coulter's mouth is crap, right? Well, I feel the same way about Hillary C. and Mr. Moore. Good enough? That drivel out of Savage is no worse or ridculous than anything Moore had to say on his trip to Germany last year.
Joe - "dumbfuck" is c13's word... asshole.
posted by Witty at 11:23 PM on June 6, 2005
And no, I'm not looking for quotes. Anything out of Coulter's mouth is crap, right? Well, I feel the same way about Hillary C. and Mr. Moore. Good enough? That drivel out of Savage is no worse or ridculous than anything Moore had to say on his trip to Germany last year.
Joe - "dumbfuck" is c13's word... asshole.
posted by Witty at 11:23 PM on June 6, 2005
And you used it, "dumbfuck," so put up or shut up.
posted by joe lisboa at 11:24 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by joe lisboa at 11:24 PM on June 6, 2005
Witty, none of your comments live up to your name. I think a little sense of wit helps to accept one's hero worship. And is it true that O'Really has a bad effect on that part of the brain?
Can I say DUMBFUCK, too?
posted by gsb at 11:31 PM on June 6, 2005
Can I say DUMBFUCK, too?
posted by gsb at 11:31 PM on June 6, 2005
When did "Hillary C. and Mr. Moore" get their own radio shows?
Just curious, df.
posted by bardic at 11:35 PM on June 6, 2005
Just curious, df.
posted by bardic at 11:35 PM on June 6, 2005
I guess I just had a sheltered childhood, but it was in Alabama, so I thought I had heard most offensive stereotypes....
(Ribs? Like barbecue? I've never heard any stereotype like that before ever, I totally would have asked them the same thing.)
What you did is probably a good bit better than being a Caucasian that wouldn't dare approach African Americans alone if there were more than 4 of them.
Also, what you said wasn't nearly nearly as bad as most of the stuff on that site. In order to get in that league, you would have had to follow it up with something that was batshit insane like, "because if you do know where I can get some ribs, I will have to kill you," to get in that league.
That said there are a few of those I take issue with.
"don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies"
- A lot of them think that, (even if they don't practice it), it's not just extremist crazy talk. I think the Pope's position was/is pretty much that, only spoken with more decor. (Also there are certain days when you aren't supposed to consumate I don't think). When that same guy claimed he would personally execute homosexuals, that was the crazy talk.
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand"
- I think this one is hilarious, and as it is the only quote from this particular guy on that website, I think maybe he doesn't deserve to be put in the same school with the death-threat ppls, unless he was really creepy serious at the time. Most of them couldn't be taken out of context but that one I think might have been.
Comon, can't you see, after having a particularly horrible, inane or stupid argument with a person who just won't even consider an opposing position, or the fact that what they want is totally out of your power to accomplish, just turning to them and saying, "We don't need to care about _____, THE SECOND COMING IS AT HAND!!!!" I would follow this up by waving my arms above my head and shouting "OGABOGABO!" as I chased them away.
ahaha.....and that is why I will never be President.
posted by SomeOneElse at 11:41 PM on June 6, 2005
(Ribs? Like barbecue? I've never heard any stereotype like that before ever, I totally would have asked them the same thing.)
What you did is probably a good bit better than being a Caucasian that wouldn't dare approach African Americans alone if there were more than 4 of them.
Also, what you said wasn't nearly nearly as bad as most of the stuff on that site. In order to get in that league, you would have had to follow it up with something that was batshit insane like, "because if you do know where I can get some ribs, I will have to kill you," to get in that league.
That said there are a few of those I take issue with.
"don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies"
- A lot of them think that, (even if they don't practice it), it's not just extremist crazy talk. I think the Pope's position was/is pretty much that, only spoken with more decor. (Also there are certain days when you aren't supposed to consumate I don't think). When that same guy claimed he would personally execute homosexuals, that was the crazy talk.
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand"
- I think this one is hilarious, and as it is the only quote from this particular guy on that website, I think maybe he doesn't deserve to be put in the same school with the death-threat ppls, unless he was really creepy serious at the time. Most of them couldn't be taken out of context but that one I think might have been.
Comon, can't you see, after having a particularly horrible, inane or stupid argument with a person who just won't even consider an opposing position, or the fact that what they want is totally out of your power to accomplish, just turning to them and saying, "We don't need to care about _____, THE SECOND COMING IS AT HAND!!!!" I would follow this up by waving my arms above my head and shouting "OGABOGABO!" as I chased them away.
ahaha.....and that is why I will never be President.
posted by SomeOneElse at 11:41 PM on June 6, 2005
I'd really appreciate an equivalent list of lefty quotes.
There must be someone somewhere who can find the leaders of the democratic party, and senior members of the former administration saying things that are tantamount to advocating genocide and the destruction of the barriers between church and state. Right?
Seriously people, take a look at the texan republican party platform. Read it. check out the parts where they want to go back to the gold standard, remove the separation of church and state, and make gay sex a criminal offense.
These quotes aren't too far off the official party line.
posted by Freen at 11:47 PM on June 6, 2005
There must be someone somewhere who can find the leaders of the democratic party, and senior members of the former administration saying things that are tantamount to advocating genocide and the destruction of the barriers between church and state. Right?
Seriously people, take a look at the texan republican party platform. Read it. check out the parts where they want to go back to the gold standard, remove the separation of church and state, and make gay sex a criminal offense.
These quotes aren't too far off the official party line.
posted by Freen at 11:47 PM on June 6, 2005
Google Cache of the 2000 Texas republican party platform, as it seems the site is down at the moment.
posted by Freen at 11:51 PM on June 6, 2005
posted by Freen at 11:51 PM on June 6, 2005
The comparison is a bit strange.
What has Hillary Clinton ever said that might be construed as even controversial?
Moore, on the other hand, has said some pretty controversial things but he's not a lefty Coulter or Falwell. The way I see it, all Moore's statements, at least, exist within the realm of reasonable discourse. There is, at least, a steady continuum between the center, the moderately left, and Moore. His views are, as many conservatives will gleefully tell you, subject to criticism and deconstruction. On the other hand Coulter's and Falwell's statements on are so extreme and dogmatic that you can't even begin to place them in any sort of critical framework. Which is, I suppose, the essential 'Taliban' nature of these statements. Not simply their barbarism, but their total disconnection from any sort of reasonable discourse that's the hallmark of liberal democracies.
posted by nixerman at 11:57 PM on June 6, 2005
What has Hillary Clinton ever said that might be construed as even controversial?
Moore, on the other hand, has said some pretty controversial things but he's not a lefty Coulter or Falwell. The way I see it, all Moore's statements, at least, exist within the realm of reasonable discourse. There is, at least, a steady continuum between the center, the moderately left, and Moore. His views are, as many conservatives will gleefully tell you, subject to criticism and deconstruction. On the other hand Coulter's and Falwell's statements on are so extreme and dogmatic that you can't even begin to place them in any sort of critical framework. Which is, I suppose, the essential 'Taliban' nature of these statements. Not simply their barbarism, but their total disconnection from any sort of reasonable discourse that's the hallmark of liberal democracies.
posted by nixerman at 11:57 PM on June 6, 2005
Drunk much?
No, but I'm off now and going home. May God be with each and every one of you tonight... 'cept the fags and dumbfucks. Peace! Word.
posted by Witty at 12:12 AM on June 7, 2005
No, but I'm off now and going home. May God be with each and every one of you tonight... 'cept the fags and dumbfucks. Peace! Word.
posted by Witty at 12:12 AM on June 7, 2005
Moore, on the other hand, has said some pretty controversial things but he's not a lefty Coulter or Falwell. The way I see it, all Moore's statements, at least, exist within the realm of reasonable discourse. There is, at least, a steady continuum between the center, the moderately left, and Moore. His views are, as many conservatives will gleefully tell you, subject to criticism and deconstruction. On the other hand Coulter's and Falwell's statements on are so extreme and dogmatic that you can't even begin to place them in any sort of critical framework. Which is, I suppose, the essential 'Taliban' nature of these statements. Not simply their barbarism, but their total disconnection from any sort of reasonable discourse that's the hallmark of liberal democracies.
Arguing whether the left has "insane" points of view as well is besides the point.
While you may be able to argue about the sanity of some arguments of "the left", the difference is they don't call for oppression of their fellow citizens and death of foreigners who don't follow their line.
Insanity is harmless in a working democracy. Insane hatemongering maybe not so. It's not about whether the left is insane as well or more or less. It's about whether they call for a totalitarian system or not.
posted by uncle harold at 1:48 AM on June 7, 2005
Arguing whether the left has "insane" points of view as well is besides the point.
While you may be able to argue about the sanity of some arguments of "the left", the difference is they don't call for oppression of their fellow citizens and death of foreigners who don't follow their line.
Insanity is harmless in a working democracy. Insane hatemongering maybe not so. It's not about whether the left is insane as well or more or less. It's about whether they call for a totalitarian system or not.
posted by uncle harold at 1:48 AM on June 7, 2005
And who said intelligent political discourse was dead?
US politics look more like pro wrasslin' every day.
Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say 'dumbfuck': Dumbfuck.
posted by spazzm at 1:56 AM on June 7, 2005
US politics look more like pro wrasslin' every day.
Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say 'dumbfuck': Dumbfuck.
posted by spazzm at 1:56 AM on June 7, 2005
"What are some of the insane quotes from the left you've found?"
We will bury you!
I didn't inhale. . .
…these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control
That last one is a little ominous, isn't it? It's from some Communist Youth organization. I'll go back to bed now.
posted by surlycat at 3:13 AM on June 7, 2005
We will bury you!
I didn't inhale. . .
…these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control
That last one is a little ominous, isn't it? It's from some Communist Youth organization. I'll go back to bed now.
posted by surlycat at 3:13 AM on June 7, 2005
Take Ann Coulter, some really love to hate her..but there's no point having emotions for one person that says
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
Remember to always examine the statements literally
1. Calls for invasion of "their" countries (which countries ?)
2. Calls for assassination of "their" leaders (their who ?)
3. Calls to convert "them" to Christianity (who exactly ?)
4. States that "we" (U.S.A. ?) were not punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers (this statement actually means..nothing..it's constructed to say "we" weren't punctilious in the past war)
5. States the historical facts of carpet bombing german cities and killing civilians
6. States "thats" and "this" are war (that what and this what exactly ? )
So actually to the ordinary people she's suggesting and let me stress _suggesting_ that WE (except her obviously, she's a "weak" female) should invade their countries kill their Leaders and covert them (who , the dead leaders or the survivors ?) to Christianity and that we shouldn't discriminate much in our bombing and not worry about killing civilians as we already did in the past war and we're at war.
But in a court she'd say she never _suggested_ all of the above. On the contrary ..she probably would maintain that you reached that conclusion by yourself...because she only advocated invasion and killing of leaders, not terrorist methods.
That tells me a lot about the people that agree with her suggestions.
Take Fred Phelps Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death.
But he doesn't say that homosexuals should be killed..he says they're "worthy of death". So if some lunatic thinks he must kill homosexuals Phelps could defend himself by saying he never literally advocated killing of homosexuals, and that's true. Obviously he's using homosexuals exactly like Hilter used Jews ..as a group of "others" that are to be blamed for everything "bad" or almost everything "wrong".
Take George Bush Sr.
I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
Again that's constructed to send a message without becoming liable for what he said. Indeed literally he says he doesn't know wheter an atheist should be considered citizen or patriot...which suggest one to think about that and suggests those who already hate atheists that they're not citizens according to him. A nice "fullstop" separates the other statement that actually means nothing, one nation under God ? UNDER ? GOD is sitting on top of the nation ? God Who exactly ?
But hey if any wacko kills an "atheist" he's not liable of telling anybody to kill anybody.
This kind of people and other just SUGGEST what YOU are supposed to think and do. Some people swallow the line, bait and hook...other decide to _think_ for themselves and not letting any Great Leader bamboozle them.
posted by elpapacito at 3:17 AM on June 7, 2005
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
Remember to always examine the statements literally
1. Calls for invasion of "their" countries (which countries ?)
2. Calls for assassination of "their" leaders (their who ?)
3. Calls to convert "them" to Christianity (who exactly ?)
4. States that "we" (U.S.A. ?) were not punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers (this statement actually means..nothing..it's constructed to say "we" weren't punctilious in the past war)
5. States the historical facts of carpet bombing german cities and killing civilians
6. States "thats" and "this" are war (that what and this what exactly ? )
So actually to the ordinary people she's suggesting and let me stress _suggesting_ that WE (except her obviously, she's a "weak" female) should invade their countries kill their Leaders and covert them (who , the dead leaders or the survivors ?) to Christianity and that we shouldn't discriminate much in our bombing and not worry about killing civilians as we already did in the past war and we're at war.
But in a court she'd say she never _suggested_ all of the above. On the contrary ..she probably would maintain that you reached that conclusion by yourself...because she only advocated invasion and killing of leaders, not terrorist methods.
That tells me a lot about the people that agree with her suggestions.
Take Fred Phelps Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death.
But he doesn't say that homosexuals should be killed..he says they're "worthy of death". So if some lunatic thinks he must kill homosexuals Phelps could defend himself by saying he never literally advocated killing of homosexuals, and that's true. Obviously he's using homosexuals exactly like Hilter used Jews ..as a group of "others" that are to be blamed for everything "bad" or almost everything "wrong".
Take George Bush Sr.
I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
Again that's constructed to send a message without becoming liable for what he said. Indeed literally he says he doesn't know wheter an atheist should be considered citizen or patriot...which suggest one to think about that and suggests those who already hate atheists that they're not citizens according to him. A nice "fullstop" separates the other statement that actually means nothing, one nation under God ? UNDER ? GOD is sitting on top of the nation ? God Who exactly ?
But hey if any wacko kills an "atheist" he's not liable of telling anybody to kill anybody.
This kind of people and other just SUGGEST what YOU are supposed to think and do. Some people swallow the line, bait and hook...other decide to _think_ for themselves and not letting any Great Leader bamboozle them.
posted by elpapacito at 3:17 AM on June 7, 2005
I don't hear many leftist pundits arguing for:
* mass executions
* denial of constitutional rights
* imposition of religious rule
* Joe McCarthy not being a bad guy
if you'd like to draw lines of equivalence between these points and what they write about in The Nation, then I guess that's your right, but don't try to *make* me think that you're not nuts.
posted by n9 at 3:20 AM on June 7, 2005
* mass executions
* denial of constitutional rights
* imposition of religious rule
* Joe McCarthy not being a bad guy
if you'd like to draw lines of equivalence between these points and what they write about in The Nation, then I guess that's your right, but don't try to *make* me think that you're not nuts.
posted by n9 at 3:20 AM on June 7, 2005
May God be with each and every one of you tonight... 'cept the fags and dumbfucks. Peace! Word.
I'm three-quarters to the left of center, more liberal than most lefties but I reason critically. While I'm skeptical about the wisdom of stringent gun-control, the advisability of legalizing recreational drugs, and the economics of the welfare state, I think they're interesting ideas and should be explored and/or maintained. Three things I often shout about are Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion and, depending on whether I've had dessert, Freedom of Association.
That said (i.e. context), I'm glad to see even righties can have a sense of humor.*
*Right after we liberals pillory witty for that homophobic and elitist prayer.
posted by mistersquid at 3:39 AM on June 7, 2005
I'm three-quarters to the left of center, more liberal than most lefties but I reason critically. While I'm skeptical about the wisdom of stringent gun-control, the advisability of legalizing recreational drugs, and the economics of the welfare state, I think they're interesting ideas and should be explored and/or maintained. Three things I often shout about are Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion and, depending on whether I've had dessert, Freedom of Association.
That said (i.e. context), I'm glad to see even righties can have a sense of humor.*
*Right after we liberals pillory witty for that homophobic and elitist prayer.
posted by mistersquid at 3:39 AM on June 7, 2005
Bevets:
From your first link: "Fundamentalism has a purpose. It preserves traditions when outside forces are wiping them out."
What about the inside forces of America where the majority supports a right to choose when it comes to birth, supports the right to have medical marijuana in California and supports the right for gays to serve openly in the US military?
posted by furtive at 4:53 AM on June 7, 2005
From your first link: "Fundamentalism has a purpose. It preserves traditions when outside forces are wiping them out."
What about the inside forces of America where the majority supports a right to choose when it comes to birth, supports the right to have medical marijuana in California and supports the right for gays to serve openly in the US military?
posted by furtive at 4:53 AM on June 7, 2005
Dude, I'm totally for mass executions - televised. Just because I'm a lefty doesn't mean that bringing back live gladiatorial combat isn't on my to do list.
First on the lists are fuckwits, dumbfucks, asstards, shitwitches and sundry other groups of people. Hell, just call me Uncle Joe.
posted by longbaugh at 5:32 AM on June 7, 2005
First on the lists are fuckwits, dumbfucks, asstards, shitwitches and sundry other groups of people. Hell, just call me Uncle Joe.
posted by longbaugh at 5:32 AM on June 7, 2005
So where's all the lefty quotes advocating genocide and persecution? Nothing is more damning than silence, right?
posted by shawnj at 5:42 AM on June 7, 2005
posted by shawnj at 5:42 AM on June 7, 2005
Witty wrote "And a lot of dumbfucks listen to NPR and voted for Kerry."
Yep. Those are the dumbfucks who give me hope for this country. You frickin' troll.
Jon-o wrote "This is the sort of thing that makes me cultivate paranoid plans in the back of my mind that involve moving all of my Jewish friends and family, and myself to a fortified bunker in the wilderness, armed to the teeth."
Not so fast there, Jon-o. Quite a few of the wingnuts you're trying to avoid have that wilderness pretty well full up with bunkers by now, waiting for the second coming.
posted by caution live frogs at 5:56 AM on June 7, 2005
Yep. Those are the dumbfucks who give me hope for this country. You frickin' troll.
Jon-o wrote "This is the sort of thing that makes me cultivate paranoid plans in the back of my mind that involve moving all of my Jewish friends and family, and myself to a fortified bunker in the wilderness, armed to the teeth."
Not so fast there, Jon-o. Quite a few of the wingnuts you're trying to avoid have that wilderness pretty well full up with bunkers by now, waiting for the second coming.
posted by caution live frogs at 5:56 AM on June 7, 2005
Thanks for an entertaining FPP, zardoz...kind of like the They Said It feature of Sports Illustrated.
posted by alumshubby at 9:27 AM on June 7, 2005
posted by alumshubby at 9:27 AM on June 7, 2005
Um, Fob James has not been the govenor of Alabama since 1998.
posted by dig_duggler at 9:46 AM on June 7, 2005
posted by dig_duggler at 9:46 AM on June 7, 2005
I don't see how this isn't going to end in tears. They say war is the failure of reason, and this page gets a big fat "F". Somebody here said it's going to far to compare these folks to the Taliban, but I don't think so. Look at what these freaks are actually saying. They don't want to live and let live. They don't just want to be treated with respect... they want total control.
Anyhoo... check out the script of this film from the Leadership Institute. These are the folks who trained Karl Rove, and Jeff Ganon. Aside from sounding like one of those 1950's propaganda films, it outlines "35 things the Ultra Left Believes".
You can read the script here:
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/04RESOURCES/RootsLeft.htm
posted by Rusty Iron at 9:52 AM on June 7, 2005
Anyhoo... check out the script of this film from the Leadership Institute. These are the folks who trained Karl Rove, and Jeff Ganon. Aside from sounding like one of those 1950's propaganda films, it outlines "35 things the Ultra Left Believes".
You can read the script here:
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/04RESOURCES/RootsLeft.htm
posted by Rusty Iron at 9:52 AM on June 7, 2005
I love everybody. Which I guess makes me first in line for the re-education camps.
posted by OmieWise at 10:53 AM on June 7, 2005
posted by OmieWise at 10:53 AM on June 7, 2005
The james watt quote has been around for a long time, but is probably apocrophyl (as someone above linked, it's been denied). The bush quote, though, is true.
While there are surely some nuts on the left, it seems like a serious imbalance to me. Yes, this site isn't entirely fair, given that many of the people on it would disagree with one another, and people in actual positions of power are associated with random wingnuts just by being listed together - and yet, a lot of those quotes are really insane. Are there people making similar comments in the UK? or canada?
posted by mdn at 10:56 AM on June 7, 2005
While there are surely some nuts on the left, it seems like a serious imbalance to me. Yes, this site isn't entirely fair, given that many of the people on it would disagree with one another, and people in actual positions of power are associated with random wingnuts just by being listed together - and yet, a lot of those quotes are really insane. Are there people making similar comments in the UK? or canada?
posted by mdn at 10:56 AM on June 7, 2005
and yet, a lot of those quotes are really insane.
? hm. I meant, unforgiveable. Though they are insane, too.
posted by mdn at 10:57 AM on June 7, 2005
? hm. I meant, unforgiveable. Though they are insane, too.
posted by mdn at 10:57 AM on June 7, 2005
^ Direct Link to the Leadership Institute Script
Reminds me of Apple's hilariously ridiculous Apple versus PC list from a few years back.
posted by juiceCake at 10:57 AM on June 7, 2005
Reminds me of Apple's hilariously ridiculous Apple versus PC list from a few years back.
posted by juiceCake at 10:57 AM on June 7, 2005
You frickin' troll.
Witty does a remarkably faithful impersonation of an idiot. It must take a lot of work.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 11:52 AM on June 7, 2005
Witty does a remarkably faithful impersonation of an idiot. It must take a lot of work.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 11:52 AM on June 7, 2005
*singing* American Taliban - get away from meehee. American Taliban - momma let me beehee. *realizes has lousy voice, stops*
More lefty quotes (re: surlycat's Moore quote: …these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control"):
"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
That's pretty ominous too, isn't it? Albeit far more flowery, but it says far more than simply 'brought down', it is in fact howling for blood. I'll give ya a juicy red apple (metaphorically) if you guess which pinko said it.
posted by Smedleyman at 11:54 AM on June 7, 2005
More lefty quotes (re: surlycat's Moore quote: …these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control"):
"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
That's pretty ominous too, isn't it? Albeit far more flowery, but it says far more than simply 'brought down', it is in fact howling for blood. I'll give ya a juicy red apple (metaphorically) if you guess which pinko said it.
posted by Smedleyman at 11:54 AM on June 7, 2005
This post is a piece of shit. None of the quotes had dates or places or any way of confirmation. We should do better than mere propaganda.
posted by tkchrist at 11:57 AM on June 7, 2005
posted by tkchrist at 11:57 AM on June 7, 2005
I'm not taking a left or right position, but if we're going to throw Kruschev (!?) in with Moore, and Clinton and his innocuous lie - Schwartenegger also said he didn't smoke dope and there's a film of him doing it - etc.
Let's just keep it honest.
(Anyway there's a LOT to nail Clinton on besides that, sheesh)
+ what tkchrist said( excepting 'this post is a piece of shit").
posted by Smedleyman at 12:06 PM on June 7, 2005
Let's just keep it honest.
(Anyway there's a LOT to nail Clinton on besides that, sheesh)
+ what tkchrist said( excepting 'this post is a piece of shit").
posted by Smedleyman at 12:06 PM on June 7, 2005
We will bury you!
Not an American. Irrelevant.
I didn't inhale. . .
A dumb lie about weed is slightly different from things like "Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."
…these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control
And this one just happens to be true. Your list sucks, surlycat.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:16 PM on June 7, 2005
Not an American. Irrelevant.
I didn't inhale. . .
A dumb lie about weed is slightly different from things like "Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."
…these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control
And this one just happens to be true. Your list sucks, surlycat.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:16 PM on June 7, 2005
Smedlyman - I believe that's my homeslice Tommy Jefferson's quote - hook a brother up with an apple
posted by stenseng at 12:47 PM on June 7, 2005
posted by stenseng at 12:47 PM on June 7, 2005
*tosses stenseng a crisp, sweet, juicy Empire Red*
posted by Smedleyman at 12:57 PM on June 7, 2005
posted by Smedleyman at 12:57 PM on June 7, 2005
Thomas Paine, right, Smed?
posted by alumshubby at 12:58 PM on June 7, 2005
posted by alumshubby at 12:58 PM on June 7, 2005
Smedleyman, thanks for giving one I knew.
Thomas Jefferson
On preview: I took too long to read the thread...got beaten to the punch.
posted by mystyk at 1:30 PM on June 7, 2005
Thomas Jefferson
On preview: I took too long to read the thread...got beaten to the punch.
posted by mystyk at 1:30 PM on June 7, 2005
"these bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control"
Not a very damning quote. This seems to me to be a call to an election, not arms. But then again, I'm a liberal, in both the partisan sense, and the political science sense.
posted by Freen at 7:16 PM on June 7, 2005
Not a very damning quote. This seems to me to be a call to an election, not arms. But then again, I'm a liberal, in both the partisan sense, and the political science sense.
posted by Freen at 7:16 PM on June 7, 2005
Here is another fine citizen of what passes for the right these days
posted by UseyurBrain at 8:54 PM on June 7, 2005
posted by UseyurBrain at 8:54 PM on June 7, 2005
For stenseng, alumshubby & mystyk:
I should have specified first to guess.
posted by Smedleyman at 11:29 PM on June 7, 2005
I should have specified first to guess.
posted by Smedleyman at 11:29 PM on June 7, 2005
"Your list sucks, surlycat"
Yeah, see, that was the point. That a list of truly evil and/or insane lefty quotes was hard to come up with. I was actually surprised to find that Michael Moore one, and it's a little out of context since he's advocating democratic process to reach those goals.
I also thought maybe it would goad Witty into posting again.
posted by surlycat at 4:26 AM on June 11, 2005
Yeah, see, that was the point. That a list of truly evil and/or insane lefty quotes was hard to come up with. I was actually surprised to find that Michael Moore one, and it's a little out of context since he's advocating democratic process to reach those goals.
I also thought maybe it would goad Witty into posting again.
posted by surlycat at 4:26 AM on June 11, 2005
"The james watt quote has been around for a long time, but is probably apocrophyl"
Not slagging on anyone or anything, i just loves me the malaprops.
This vial contains... twenty-one grams of pure Apocryphyll! With a street value of over... One. Million. Dollars!
posted by Miles Long at 12:36 PM on June 11, 2005
Not slagging on anyone or anything, i just loves me the malaprops.
This vial contains... twenty-one grams of pure Apocryphyll! With a street value of over... One. Million. Dollars!
posted by Miles Long at 12:36 PM on June 11, 2005
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or maybe that's just bile.
I was having such a good day until I read this, zardoz...
posted by StrangeTikiGod at 7:10 PM on June 6, 2005