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Well, I do have to say that the French - and most Europeans - do know how to enjoy life. They make time for family, food, conversation and time off - and often "in style."
posted by ericb at 7:27 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by ericb at 7:27 PM on August 16, 2005
This post was deleted for the following reason: single link to an op-ed?
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 7:30 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 7:30 PM on August 16, 2005
This would make perfect sense on foxnews.com but is a little out of place at Forbes.
How can you possibly argue against seven weeks of paid vacation?
posted by mek at 7:30 PM on August 16, 2005
How can you possibly argue against seven weeks of paid vacation?
posted by mek at 7:30 PM on August 16, 2005
But it's a completely self-satirizing op-ed! Those are few and far... oh... wait... nevermind.
posted by mek at 7:31 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by mek at 7:31 PM on August 16, 2005
What is it about The New York Times columnist that boils our blood?
because he doesn't play nice like other US liberals and gleefully kicks the nutzoid right in the teeth, that's why. because it hurts you when he does that
you're so funny, stevie. now go back smearing some dead kid's mother, OK?
posted by matteo at 7:31 PM on August 16, 2005
because he doesn't play nice like other US liberals and gleefully kicks the nutzoid right in the teeth, that's why. because it hurts you when he does that
you're so funny, stevie. now go back smearing some dead kid's mother, OK?
posted by matteo at 7:31 PM on August 16, 2005
Mr. Karlgaard would do well to stop and smell the roses. Life is likely passing him by.
posted by caddis at 7:32 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by caddis at 7:32 PM on August 16, 2005
He's probably too busy working 80 hour weeks.
posted by clevershark at 7:32 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by clevershark at 7:32 PM on August 16, 2005
The French, and most (all, I'd say) Europeans think that all Americans are fat, eat fast food all the time, work too much, and sit in front of the television in their off time. Most of the Europeans I know don't watch TV, eat fattening but lovely food and don't get fat, spend time with their loved ones, and they are all thin. There's definitely a valid point here...
posted by WaterSprite at 7:33 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by WaterSprite at 7:33 PM on August 16, 2005
This article is embarrassingly bad.
posted by brain_drain at 7:33 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by brain_drain at 7:33 PM on August 16, 2005
Having just returned to the States after four years in France, I’ll say my sensibilities are just a little rattled in seeing how our journalists produce such base, ad hominem arguments. OK, it’s Forbes. But still, find it hard to swallow such rhetoric?
The idea of "choice" seems to be more based on a stereotype of poat WWII Europe than any reality. The French have large supermarkets too, if he wasn't sure (However, once in California we had a hard time convincing somebody of that). And I'll admit that seeing the beer, wine and cheese selection here in DC almost made me shed a tear.
Granted, my father was a schoolteacher and his income was not equal to that of a stockbroker, but does that imply low rewards?
Also, my father can't change from state to state in high school teaching without having to shift around his retirement and lose years.
My wife, a French woman who teaches high school philosophy in the French public shcool system probably earns half of what my father makes and still manages to have a higher regard in the eyes of her society.
Maybe Karlgaard just can’t imagine things not being judged on charts and graphs.
Here is the program for senior year high school french students. Maybe if Karlgaard had taken such a course he could more easily acknowledge that the morale idea of “bonheur”
posted by pwedza at 7:35 PM on August 16, 2005
The idea of "choice" seems to be more based on a stereotype of poat WWII Europe than any reality. The French have large supermarkets too, if he wasn't sure (However, once in California we had a hard time convincing somebody of that). And I'll admit that seeing the beer, wine and cheese selection here in DC almost made me shed a tear.
Granted, my father was a schoolteacher and his income was not equal to that of a stockbroker, but does that imply low rewards?
Also, my father can't change from state to state in high school teaching without having to shift around his retirement and lose years.
My wife, a French woman who teaches high school philosophy in the French public shcool system probably earns half of what my father makes and still manages to have a higher regard in the eyes of her society.
Maybe Karlgaard just can’t imagine things not being judged on charts and graphs.
Here is the program for senior year high school french students. Maybe if Karlgaard had taken such a course he could more easily acknowledge that the morale idea of “bonheur”
posted by pwedza at 7:35 PM on August 16, 2005
So, no more links to Forbes! Happily something good can come out of this crabby, whiny article.
posted by clevershark at 7:35 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by clevershark at 7:35 PM on August 16, 2005
Well, I do have to say that the French - and most Europeans - do know how to enjoy life. They make time for family, food, conversation and time off - and often "in style."
What, and no one in America does? My dad was home everyday by 6:30 and at the dinner table. I'm out the door of my office by 5:00 everyday. I am given, and take, five full weeks of paid vacation every year plus three personal days plus two floating holidays plus 8 sick days. Last time I check I lived in Brooklyn, not Paris. I make plenty of time for food, family and conversation. So do most of my friends. So do plenty of people in this country. I'm sure there are plenty of French who never take a day off and hate their families and are miserable. I hate that kind of generalizing bullshit like every American is some kind of cubicle slave. I might as well just assume every Frenchman is a chain smoking, cheese eating, half-queer surrender monkey if we're playing the stereotyping game.
posted by spicynuts at 7:36 PM on August 16, 2005
What, and no one in America does? My dad was home everyday by 6:30 and at the dinner table. I'm out the door of my office by 5:00 everyday. I am given, and take, five full weeks of paid vacation every year plus three personal days plus two floating holidays plus 8 sick days. Last time I check I lived in Brooklyn, not Paris. I make plenty of time for food, family and conversation. So do most of my friends. So do plenty of people in this country. I'm sure there are plenty of French who never take a day off and hate their families and are miserable. I hate that kind of generalizing bullshit like every American is some kind of cubicle slave. I might as well just assume every Frenchman is a chain smoking, cheese eating, half-queer surrender monkey if we're playing the stereotyping game.
posted by spicynuts at 7:36 PM on August 16, 2005
pwedza -- I think you lost nearly everyone by putting up a link in French...
posted by clevershark at 7:37 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by clevershark at 7:37 PM on August 16, 2005
..is relative. Was the ending.
(promise not to say any more)
posted by pwedza at 7:37 PM on August 16, 2005
(promise not to say any more)
posted by pwedza at 7:37 PM on August 16, 2005
Ah Whud Laahhvvvv tuh beh suh veruh, veruh Frraaaannncccchhhh . . .
posted by mk1gti at 7:38 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by mk1gti at 7:38 PM on August 16, 2005
spicynuts: where do you work, and can I get a job there? Corporate culture in this area suggests you NOT leave your office until 7:05 PM.
posted by WaterSprite at 7:39 PM on August 16, 2005
posted by WaterSprite at 7:39 PM on August 16, 2005
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