Can't/Won't Pay Your Bill? It's Ned's fault.
August 8, 2006 11:18 AM Subscribe
Ned Lamont responds to accusations of hacking the Lieberman website. In response to a reported issue with the Lieberman campaign websites, Ned Lamont claims to have nothing to do with it. In Lamont's blog you'll notice, however, that someone has divulged the real reason behind the websites not being available: "Perhaps Joe should contact Diana Fassbender, fassbenderw (at) yahoo (dot) com, the billing contact for joe2006.com at “Friends of Joe Lieberman.” She can ask their host, www.theplanet.com, how to reconcile the account and restore service. It’s 1-800-377-6103—we’re here to help. It looks like a simple case of non-payment. Pretty sloppy by the Lieberman folks."
oh snap! clearly, Ned LaMont is at fault for forgetting to pay Joe's bills.
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 11:25 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 11:25 AM on August 8, 2006
"Ned Lamont claims to have nothing to do with it. In Lamont's blog you'll notice, however, that someone has divulged the real reason behind the websites not being available:"
So? How does this prove causality?
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 11:27 AM on August 8, 2006
So? How does this prove causality?
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 11:27 AM on August 8, 2006
"The Lieberman campaign has produced an email from their host claiming the outages came from a DoS attack.
It doesn't pass the smell test -- DoS attacks wouldn't bring down a site for 18 hours (or however long their site has been down). So it could be their hosting provider is either covering for the Lieberman campaign, or perhaps more likely, it is simply incompetent.
The DoS 'attack' may have merely been strong pre-election traffic....It happens to the best sites. The trick is to get the site back up ASAP, and that's what Lieberman's host appears incapable of doing...."
[source]
posted by ericb at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006
It doesn't pass the smell test -- DoS attacks wouldn't bring down a site for 18 hours (or however long their site has been down). So it could be their hosting provider is either covering for the Lieberman campaign, or perhaps more likely, it is simply incompetent.
The DoS 'attack' may have merely been strong pre-election traffic....It happens to the best sites. The trick is to get the site back up ASAP, and that's what Lieberman's host appears incapable of doing...."
[source]
posted by ericb at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006
It's posted in the comments of the blog! Therefore, it's Ned's fault. QED. Come on, Strasbourg, try to keep up here.
posted by Plutor at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by Plutor at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006
Do they call this political web-slinging?
posted by NationalKato at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by NationalKato at 11:29 AM on August 8, 2006
this credulous parroting of the Lamonters line is just lame, and the information is circa 14+ hours ago. all indications now are that joe2006 got cracked. thanks to theonetruebix for the tpm link, which catches us up to the present.
posted by Dr. Boom at 11:31 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by Dr. Boom at 11:31 AM on August 8, 2006
Those mocking the Lieberman campaign's paranoia should read theonetruebix's link. This is almost certainly is a DoS. No hosting provider in their right mind would let an account like this disabled on election day because of a friggin' unpaid bill. I've forgotten to send payment for much smaller accounts to much smaller hosting providers, and they've always bent over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt and provide uninterrupted service.
posted by gsteff at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006
I blame Mel Gibson.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006
FYI, that email isn't from their hosting provider. It's from their Internet consultant. There's still been no statement from their hosting provider.
(Which is not to take a position on the DDoS issue either way.)
posted by theonetruebix at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006
(Which is not to take a position on the DDoS issue either way.)
posted by theonetruebix at 11:33 AM on August 8, 2006
I'm basically pro-Lamont, but I can't wait to read Kos's apology.
posted by gsteff at 11:34 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 11:34 AM on August 8, 2006
Cover for Lieberman to contest election results?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 11:35 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 11:35 AM on August 8, 2006
DoS attacks wouldn't bring down a site for 18 hours (or however long their site has been down)
DailyKos is full of shit. A denial of service attack can absolutely last for far longer than 18 hours.
Man, it takes balls to post something like that to the world...
posted by SweetJesus at 11:35 AM on August 8, 2006
DailyKos is full of shit. A denial of service attack can absolutely last for far longer than 18 hours.
Man, it takes balls to post something like that to the world...
posted by SweetJesus at 11:35 AM on August 8, 2006
A comment posted at Firedoglake:
"It's entirely possible the Lieberman Campaign was indeed paid up on whatever hosting package they purchased, but they had not purchased sufficient bandwidth to meet the demans. It's important to understand the difference between not paying your bill, or just not planning properly. I suspect for the Lieberman Campaign, who appear to be leaning toward being luddites, simply didn't know or plan for the bandwidth demand their site might see.posted by ericb at 11:37 AM on August 8, 2006
Certainly Lamont cannot be blamed for Lieberman or his campaign aides being ignorant."
I want to know what Ted Stevens thinks about this
posted by matteo at 11:38 AM on August 8, 2006 [3 favorites]
posted by matteo at 11:38 AM on August 8, 2006 [3 favorites]
can't you prove it was really a DOS attack or not? it would seem simple--just show the logs, no?
I don't buy it--they've been flailing and trying all sorts of dirty tricks--they've accused Lamont of having stock (which Lieberman himself owned), they've passed out flyers at black churches accusing Lamont of racism, they've shouted Lamont out everywhere, etc...
posted by amberglow at 11:39 AM on August 8, 2006
I don't buy it--they've been flailing and trying all sorts of dirty tricks--they've accused Lamont of having stock (which Lieberman himself owned), they've passed out flyers at black churches accusing Lamont of racism, they've shouted Lamont out everywhere, etc...
posted by amberglow at 11:39 AM on August 8, 2006
Update: As many readers have noted, Dan Geary does not in fact work for the campaign's web host, as Gerstein indicated. Geary is an internet consultant for Geary Internet Strategies who works for the campaign.
So when you produce a letter from you're hosting company saying you paid your bill and it turns out to be fake, what are people supposed to think about that?
posted by bob sarabia at 11:40 AM on August 8, 2006
So when you produce a letter from you're hosting company saying you paid your bill and it turns out to be fake, what are people supposed to think about that?
posted by bob sarabia at 11:40 AM on August 8, 2006
If Lieberman loses the primary tonight, they'll blame the Internets! Oh noes, those nasty bloggers, haxors, and others!
posted by ericb at 11:41 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 11:41 AM on August 8, 2006
oh, also, Lieberman's "friends" are tarring Lamont in the WSJ with comments left at third-party blogs, while the loudest supporters for Lieberman himself are insane rightwingers like Coulter.
posted by amberglow at 11:41 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 11:41 AM on August 8, 2006
From the Lieberman campaign -- "Well...
We’ve offered to send our tech guru over to fix their website problems. That was over an hour ago… no response."
posted by ericb at 11:42 AM on August 8, 2006
We’ve offered to send our tech guru over to fix their website problems. That was over an hour ago… no response."
posted by ericb at 11:42 AM on August 8, 2006
. <------For Democracy.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 11:43 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 11:43 AM on August 8, 2006
In re: that firedoglake comment- again, no sane hosting provider would ever disable an account like this because of some silly financial issue. There is no way that this is because of an unpaid bill or a exceeding bandwidth. Unless the Lieberman campaign went with an absolute bargain basement provider, which they didn't, no one would shut down service on election day because of something like this.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Lieberman campaign told the hosting provider not to be in any rush to get the site back up, since it provides a nice election day story. But this was a DoS.
posted by gsteff at 11:44 AM on August 8, 2006
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Lieberman campaign told the hosting provider not to be in any rush to get the site back up, since it provides a nice election day story. But this was a DoS.
posted by gsteff at 11:44 AM on August 8, 2006
That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?
posted by amberglow at 11:44 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 11:44 AM on August 8, 2006
again, no sane hosting provider would ever disable an account like this because of some silly financial issue.
Many sane hosting providers are large enough that they use automation to handle things like bandwidth throttling. Case in point: Theplanet.com is pretty big, and pretty old, and probably does this as well.
posted by thanotopsis at 11:46 AM on August 8, 2006
Many sane hosting providers are large enough that they use automation to handle things like bandwidth throttling. Case in point: Theplanet.com is pretty big, and pretty old, and probably does this as well.
posted by thanotopsis at 11:46 AM on August 8, 2006
If only websites like this were on some sort of higher 'tier' for us classy individuals could access them without fear of interruption by DoS's, virii and myspaces.
I'd be willing to pay double, no, quintuple my current internet bill!
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:46 AM on August 8, 2006
I'd be willing to pay double, no, quintuple my current internet bill!
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:46 AM on August 8, 2006
Another point regarding bandwidth overages: standard procedure in the hosting business is to bill nice juicy surcharges when an account goes over, not to shut it down. That's the point: to make money. Its not a bandwidth overage.
posted by gsteff at 11:47 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 11:47 AM on August 8, 2006
Leiberman2006.com isn't even resolving. That's weird, isn't it?
amberglow writes "That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?"
That was someone name Richard Goodstein.
posted by mr_roboto at 11:47 AM on August 8, 2006
amberglow writes "That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?"
That was someone name Richard Goodstein.
posted by mr_roboto at 11:47 AM on August 8, 2006
gsteff, how do you explain this: ...I post because Marion Steinfels is running around proclaiming that someone hacked her site. This isn’t the first time they haven’t paid their bills, it happened when the stupid bear-cub ad ran and Sean Smith bragged all the traffic (from people mocking the ad) crashed their site. Same notice.
But since the Hotline Blog ran with Marion’s story (sort of), I had to post this here because they are undoubtedly peddling the story to other outlets as well. Passing on a different screen shot than the one above, from after they paid their hosting fees. ...
posted by amberglow at 11:48 AM on August 8, 2006
But since the Hotline Blog ran with Marion’s story (sort of), I had to post this here because they are undoubtedly peddling the story to other outlets as well. Passing on a different screen shot than the one above, from after they paid their hosting fees. ...
posted by amberglow at 11:48 AM on August 8, 2006
Many sane hosting providers are large enough that they use automation to handle things like bandwidth throttling.
True, but providers that big also have people monitoring availability 24/7, and for an account like this, they'd have responded very quickly to provide whatever resources were needed.
posted by gsteff at 11:50 AM on August 8, 2006
True, but providers that big also have people monitoring availability 24/7, and for an account like this, they'd have responded very quickly to provide whatever resources were needed.
posted by gsteff at 11:50 AM on August 8, 2006
amberglow:
Nope, that was Goodstein.
in general:
Given the extent to which polls have tightened in the past few days, and given the historically weak performance of candidates chiefly popular with younger voters (who are less likely to actually vote), I expect that Lieberman will win the democratic party's nomination... albeit with a very thin margin of victory, and subsequently weak mandate.
posted by The Confessor at 11:51 AM on August 8, 2006
Nope, that was Goodstein.
in general:
Given the extent to which polls have tightened in the past few days, and given the historically weak performance of candidates chiefly popular with younger voters (who are less likely to actually vote), I expect that Lieberman will win the democratic party's nomination... albeit with a very thin margin of victory, and subsequently weak mandate.
posted by The Confessor at 11:51 AM on August 8, 2006
That Gerstein is the same one from DC who screamed in that coffee shop at Lamont?
That was richard goodstein actually.
posted by bob sarabia at 11:51 AM on August 8, 2006
That was richard goodstein actually.
posted by bob sarabia at 11:51 AM on August 8, 2006
The DoS 'attack' may have merely been strong pre-election traffic....It happens to the best sites. The trick is to get the site back up ASAP, and that's what Lieberman's host appears incapable of doing...."
My ass. The Planet is a kick ass host. Large tech sites (HardOCP) and small sites alike are hosted there. The small tech site I work for gets dugg/slashdotted occasionally. We call up The Planet, and they give us the bandwidth and performance we need to keep up with it. No problems whatsoever.
posted by SirOmega at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2006
My ass. The Planet is a kick ass host. Large tech sites (HardOCP) and small sites alike are hosted there. The small tech site I work for gets dugg/slashdotted occasionally. We call up The Planet, and they give us the bandwidth and performance we need to keep up with it. No problems whatsoever.
posted by SirOmega at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2006
"TPM Reader RB chimes in on the Joe website mystery
posted by ericb at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2006
...I own a web hosting company (***********.com) that uses the same software as the Lieberman site. That screenshot that the Lamont folks grabbed is a standard automated warning from a website control panel known as "Cpanel". Most large webhosts host many thousands of domains and their systems are automated. If a bill goes unpaid, or bandwidth is exceeded by a specified amount, the site gets auto-suspended and that Cpanel page replaces the index page. It's possible that the site was suspended for exceeding their bandwidth allotment as opposed to not paying their bills, but for someone like Joe Lieberman to not have his ducks in a row on the night before an election like this is quite telling.Other knowledgeable emailers suggest the same possibility -- not that Joe folks necessarily forgot to pay their bill but that they tripped some bandwidth or server load limit and hadn't made arrangements in advance to keep the site online if this happened." -- Josh Marshall
posted by ericb at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2006
amberglow: it could be a crashed server because of incompetent tech people on Lieberman's side, as that link suggests. But it definitely was not a financial issue.
posted by gsteff at 11:53 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 11:53 AM on August 8, 2006
So when you produce a letter from you're hosting company saying you paid your bill and it turns out to be fake, what are people supposed to think about that?
The letter wasn't fake. It was mis-attributed in the original TPMmuckraker item as being from the hosting company.
posted by theonetruebix at 11:55 AM on August 8, 2006
The letter wasn't fake. It was mis-attributed in the original TPMmuckraker item as being from the hosting company.
posted by theonetruebix at 11:55 AM on August 8, 2006
Bush kissed Lieberman. Lieberman is either winning the election, or swimming with the fishes. Only time will tell. All else is just sleight of hand.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:58 AM on August 8, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:58 AM on August 8, 2006
more like jOWNED2006 amirite?
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:00 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:00 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
Bush kissed Lieberman.
Joe's and W.'s Fabulous Wedding [Flash]
posted by ericb at 12:02 PM on August 8, 2006
Joe's and W.'s Fabulous Wedding [Flash]
posted by ericb at 12:02 PM on August 8, 2006
It looks like their host is not ThePlanet.com but rather myhostcamp.com, which leases servers from ThePlanet. www.joe2006.com is currently redirecting to server1.myhostcamp.com/suspended.page/.
OK, so http://joe2006.com/ is hosted by http://www.myhostcamp.com which is currently redirecting to http://suspended.page/ which is obviously not a proper address. Looks like their ISP is INCOMPETENT, speaking as a UNIX admin, there is no excuse for redirecting to an invalid domain other than stupidity. I was thinking that the redirects could be done as a last ditch attempt on a load balancer if the server farm was overwhelmed, but guess what. There is no load balancer, a tcp fingerprinting shows its a Linux host, and not only that, it's not even running a firewall.. MySQL is running on an open port (pretty sizable security hole), and oddly enough, it's running an IRC daemon - which is a notoriously stupid thing to run if you value your bandwidth (its a service just begging to be used for DoS). Looks to me like it's either 1) amazing incompetent admins or, more likely 2) a honeypot server just asking to be crashed so someone can point fingers. No admins I know are stupid enough to setup a server like this.posted by ewagoner at 12:03 PM on August 8, 2006
...so it looks like a managed server which planet.com leases to myhostcamp.com, who runs multiple domains on that one machine (unless its a round robin DNS load balancing scheme, but I haven't detected that after resolving from four different locations, so it looks like a single machine).
Oddly enough, myhostcamp.com has a very small (re: almost no) online presence, tho it does show up here: http://www5.geometry.net/... "Geometry.Net - Religion: Evangelical Free Church Of America" some sort of click harvesting link page.
Strange going ons, looks pretty phony to me. [source]
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I always wait until the day of an election to find out information about the candidates. Who's this Joe Lieberman guy? Where can I find out? I guess I'll just vote for Lamont.
In other words....what the fuck does it matter?
posted by graventy at 12:03 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
In other words....what the fuck does it matter?
posted by graventy at 12:03 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
This sort of hacking/ fake hacking/ whatever is gonna become SOP in hot races, isn't it?
Maybe if candidates' websites got to the point where they just went down by default on Election Day, like real quick, we can be spared years of ridiculous computer-based rumormongering about who haXXored who, was it an inside job, and grrrrgggh.
posted by furiousthought at 12:04 PM on August 8, 2006
Maybe if candidates' websites got to the point where they just went down by default on Election Day, like real quick, we can be spared years of ridiculous computer-based rumormongering about who haXXored who, was it an inside job, and grrrrgggh.
posted by furiousthought at 12:04 PM on August 8, 2006
TPM update: the DoS attack was preceeded by an SQL injection attack.
If anyone is curious, SQL injection is one of the oldest, simplest hacks out there... more than 10 years old. There's a million ways for any halfway competent web dev to avoid them. So that's one sign that the Lieberman tech people really are incompetent.
posted by gsteff at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006
If anyone is curious, SQL injection is one of the oldest, simplest hacks out there... more than 10 years old. There's a million ways for any halfway competent web dev to avoid them. So that's one sign that the Lieberman tech people really are incompetent.
posted by gsteff at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006
Let's get to the important Joe news. Has he or has he not accepted Steven Colbert's invitation to come on the Report?
I would do it for the Cocoa Puffs, if not the company.
posted by illovich at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006
I would do it for the Cocoa Puffs, if not the company.
posted by illovich at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006
no sane hosting provider would ever disable an account like this because of some silly financial issue.
It's automated. Although a simple phone call would be enough to turn it back on if it really was a billing issue.
posted by cell divide at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006
It's automated. Although a simple phone call would be enough to turn it back on if it really was a billing issue.
posted by cell divide at 12:05 PM on August 8, 2006
It's automated. Although a simple phone call would be enough to turn it back on if it really was a billing issue.
I know, that's what I meant. If that were the issue, the site would be up again instantly.
posted by gsteff at 12:07 PM on August 8, 2006
I know, that's what I meant. If that were the issue, the site would be up again instantly.
posted by gsteff at 12:07 PM on August 8, 2006
Has he or has he not accepted Steven Colbert's invitation to come on the Report?
No. Though I would pay cash money to be in the audience for that one if it were to occur.
posted by blucevalo at 12:08 PM on August 8, 2006
No. Though I would pay cash money to be in the audience for that one if it were to occur.
posted by blucevalo at 12:08 PM on August 8, 2006
Well, it's pretty clear that it's not a simple billing issue. That makes the FPP pretty crappy, doesn't it? Maybe we could get an edit?
posted by mr_roboto at 12:11 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by mr_roboto at 12:11 PM on August 8, 2006
There are 73 other doamins on the same server as Joe's. I haven't checked them all, but the ones I have are up and running fine. I was especially fond of bottleblankie.com.
posted by ewagoner at 12:12 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ewagoner at 12:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Joe2006.com could've made the IP logs available a long time ago (even if they couldn't log into the admin panel they could ask for the file to be sent by the hosting co.) , the fact that they haven't suggests they've got a big fat nothing to back up that it was a DoS attack. The fact that it's still down is either a sign of extreme incompetence or they're milking this for all it's worth. Fuck them. Fuck Chris Matthews and the WSJ's LAnny J. Davis (who has a cigarrette burn given to him by frat brother Bush) and to hell with Joe the hypocrite.
posted by Skygazer at 12:17 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Skygazer at 12:17 PM on August 8, 2006
You can almost here the JOEmentum fizzing out there...
posted by clevershark at 12:19 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by clevershark at 12:19 PM on August 8, 2006
Heh... LaunchProof.com is also on the same server, and they chose an unfortunate business name: "Launchproof.com -- Coming Summer 2005"
posted by ewagoner at 12:21 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ewagoner at 12:21 PM on August 8, 2006
1- take own server offline
2- claim DOS attack from opponent
3- ...profit!
It's as likely as anything else that's been proposed here...
posted by clevershark at 12:21 PM on August 8, 2006
2- claim DOS attack from opponent
3- ...profit!
It's as likely as anything else that's been proposed here...
posted by clevershark at 12:21 PM on August 8, 2006
jomg
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006
In the time it took Joementum to file his complaint with the Connecticut's Attorney General, Chief State's Attorney, and the United States Attorney's Office...he probably could have had someone get the site up and running again.
Priorities, eh?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006
Priorities, eh?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006
One question: why are CT voters, or any of us at all, supposed to care about this unless it can be traced back to one of the campaigns?
Either a stupid pro-Lamont hacker decided to take the site down to hurt Lieberman, or a stupid pro-Lieberman hacker took it down to implicate the Lamont campaign for sabotage. In neither case does this tell us anything new about the candidates, except that Lieberman is enough of a weasel to make unfounded accusations in the hopes of picking up a few sympathy points.
The only telling piece of evidence is that the Lieberman campaign does have access to the server, as demonstrated here.
posted by Epenthesis at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006
Either a stupid pro-Lamont hacker decided to take the site down to hurt Lieberman, or a stupid pro-Lieberman hacker took it down to implicate the Lamont campaign for sabotage. In neither case does this tell us anything new about the candidates, except that Lieberman is enough of a weasel to make unfounded accusations in the hopes of picking up a few sympathy points.
The only telling piece of evidence is that the Lieberman campaign does have access to the server, as demonstrated here.
posted by Epenthesis at 12:22 PM on August 8, 2006
Joe2006.com could've made the IP logs available a long time ago
I doubt that they'd do this if they're also planning legal action. They'd ask their lawyers first, and that could take a few hours.
the fact that they haven't suggests they've got a big fat nothing to back up that it was a DoS attack. The fact that it's still down is either a sign of extreme incompetence or they're milking this for all it's worth.
Well, I'd guess that the attackers stopped once they realized how counterproductive it was. No question about their incompetence or that they're milking it though. No matter what went wrong, they could have had the site back up a long time ago if they wanted to.
posted by gsteff at 12:23 PM on August 8, 2006
I doubt that they'd do this if they're also planning legal action. They'd ask their lawyers first, and that could take a few hours.
the fact that they haven't suggests they've got a big fat nothing to back up that it was a DoS attack. The fact that it's still down is either a sign of extreme incompetence or they're milking this for all it's worth.
Well, I'd guess that the attackers stopped once they realized how counterproductive it was. No question about their incompetence or that they're milking it though. No matter what went wrong, they could have had the site back up a long time ago if they wanted to.
posted by gsteff at 12:23 PM on August 8, 2006
Lamont campaign links to Joe's Google cache site.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:27 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:27 PM on August 8, 2006
joe2006.com is running on the IP address 69.56.129.130. If this is a DoS attack, we should see slow response times, dropped packets, and an otherwise terrible response to pings, right?
Furthermore, there is, in fact, a webserver running on that IP address, which is running the cPannel software. Response times vary, leading me to believe there is high load on the machine from time to time, but it always returns the default "There is no website configured at this address." message.
This leads me to further believe that there is no DoS attack.
posted by sequential at 12:35 PM on August 8, 2006
That looks pretty good to me. A traceroute also indicates all packets are go for that IP address.$ ping 69.56.129.130 PING 69.56.129.130 (69.56.129.130) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=35.5 ms 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=35.8 ms 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=36.4 ms 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=35.6 ms 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=35.4 ms 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=30.1 ms 64 bytes from 69.56.129.130: icmp_seq=7 ttl=57 time=35.6 ms --- 69.56.129.130 ping statistics --- 7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6062ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.188/34.966/36.419/1.975 ms
Furthermore, there is, in fact, a webserver running on that IP address, which is running the cPannel software. Response times vary, leading me to believe there is high load on the machine from time to time, but it always returns the default "There is no website configured at this address." message.
This leads me to further believe that there is no DoS attack.
posted by sequential at 12:35 PM on August 8, 2006
Is there such a thing as a DoS attack that is designed NOT to overwhelm the server, per se, but to instead rack up insane bandwidth overage charges? Don't take 'em down, but hurt 'em real bad?
posted by frogan at 12:37 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by frogan at 12:37 PM on August 8, 2006
I almost missed this... meetned.com, the Lieberman campaign's Lamont attack site, is also on the same server, and is up.
posted by ewagoner at 12:38 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ewagoner at 12:38 PM on August 8, 2006
Chris Matthews interviewed someone from the Lieberman camp about this...in his maddeningly vague, focus tested PR man language he's claiming their e-mail is down as well.
An MX lookup shows their mailhost to be on the same IP.
73 other websites hosted on the same IP, all of which are up...but Joe2006's email and web services are offline (and they're claiming a DOS attack?) Funny, the IP responds to pings just fine. Their name servers are up, and there appears to be no DNS hijacking going on (everything resolves to where it's supposed to). And this late in the day (a very important day at that), their hosting company still hasn't / can't be reached?
So far all we have is one website down and not a shred of evidence to back up their accusations and blamestorming. A letter from a consultant who works for their campaign means less than nothing. At this point, my guess is someone didn't pay for their bandwidth.
(And in this particular case, I wouldn't rule out the old "bugging their own offices and blaming it on their opponent" trick. They're pretty desperate.)
posted by edverb at 12:41 PM on August 8, 2006
An MX lookup shows their mailhost to be on the same IP.
73 other websites hosted on the same IP, all of which are up...but Joe2006's email and web services are offline (and they're claiming a DOS attack?) Funny, the IP responds to pings just fine. Their name servers are up, and there appears to be no DNS hijacking going on (everything resolves to where it's supposed to). And this late in the day (a very important day at that), their hosting company still hasn't / can't be reached?
So far all we have is one website down and not a shred of evidence to back up their accusations and blamestorming. A letter from a consultant who works for their campaign means less than nothing. At this point, my guess is someone didn't pay for their bandwidth.
(And in this particular case, I wouldn't rule out the old "bugging their own offices and blaming it on their opponent" trick. They're pretty desperate.)
posted by edverb at 12:41 PM on August 8, 2006
mr.curmudgeon: "Lamont campaign links to Joe's Google cache site."
posted by
Lieberman campaign links back to Lamont site.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:46 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by
Lieberman campaign links back to Lamont site.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:46 PM on August 8, 2006
The other site ewagoner references on the same server are bogging down as well.
Here's what I think happened:
The campaign hired someone to build their website, who hosted it as a shared account on their Planet/ServerMatrix box. All's fine, except the traffic is more than the box can handle. Site keeps going down. Maybe the site was built in a load unfriendly way, maybe it's making a ridiculous number of database calls. I've seen big companies make this mistake-- looks fine in dev mode, but you didn't test it under load and it breaks.
At this point, all the traffic generated by reports of hacking on Mefi and Kos etc are creating an effective DOS attack.
posted by justkevin at 12:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Here's what I think happened:
The campaign hired someone to build their website, who hosted it as a shared account on their Planet/ServerMatrix box. All's fine, except the traffic is more than the box can handle. Site keeps going down. Maybe the site was built in a load unfriendly way, maybe it's making a ridiculous number of database calls. I've seen big companies make this mistake-- looks fine in dev mode, but you didn't test it under load and it breaks.
At this point, all the traffic generated by reports of hacking on Mefi and Kos etc are creating an effective DOS attack.
posted by justkevin at 12:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Ned is in ur base, DDOS'in ur d00dz.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:52 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:52 PM on August 8, 2006
StrasbourgSecaucus links back to MetaFilter discussion.
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:52 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:52 PM on August 8, 2006
Why Lieberman's Site Is Down
posted by ericb at 12:55 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
...it's clear that Lieberman's website isn't suffering from a Denial of Service attack.[source]
But now I have the definitive answer as to why Lieberman's site went down.
They are paying $15/month for hosting at a place called MyHostCamp, with a bandwidth limit of 10GB. MyHostCamp is currently down, along with all their clients.
Here's the deal -- you get what you pay for. My hosting bill is now over $7K per month. A smaller site doesn't need that much bandwidth, but if you're paying $15 because your $12 million campaign is too freakin' cheap to pay for quality hosting, then don't go blaming your opponent when your shitty service goes out.
For their part, the Lamont campaign has offered its technical expertise to get Lieberman's site back up (which could be done in an hour by a competent sysadmin), and has added a link to the googlecached version of Lieberman's site at the top of their blog.
One side is acting mature, the other is running around making baseless accusations.
Update: Dan Gerstein, Lieberman spokesperson, admits they have no evidence Lamont's campaign or his supporters are behind their website woes.
I'm telling you, it's down because they were too cheap to pay for quality hosting. That's a lesson to all of you campaigns skimping on hosting. $15 won't cut it."
posted by ericb at 12:55 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
That Kos post is inaccurate. As ewagoner noted above, there are 73 other domains at that IP address. They may or may not be on the same physical server as joe2006.com, but they're almost certainly all being hosted by myhostcamp. Near as I can tell, all the domains at 69.56.129.130 are all up. So the problems are not affecting all of mybasecamp.
I also find it absolutely hilarious that this is now the lead story at nytimes.com.
posted by gsteff at 12:57 PM on August 8, 2006
I also find it absolutely hilarious that this is now the lead story at nytimes.com.
posted by gsteff at 12:57 PM on August 8, 2006
Phew! Glad that's over! Now the talking heads can move on to reporting the really important news. Right? Riiight?
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:58 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 12:58 PM on August 8, 2006
NationalKato
That made me fall out of my chair laughing!
posted by The Confessor at 1:01 PM on August 8, 2006
That made me fall out of my chair laughing!
posted by The Confessor at 1:01 PM on August 8, 2006
$15 a month. I spend more every month on blunt wraps than Joe spends keeping his website online.
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 1:02 PM on August 8, 2006 [2 favorites]
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 1:02 PM on August 8, 2006 [2 favorites]
"It looks like this could be simple incompetence on the Lieberman campaign's part. They aren't apparently running a load-balancer or a firewall.
...Here's an email from a technical contact....Bottom line, it shouldn't have taken the Lieberman camp more than an hour to fix this.
posted by ericb at 1:11 PM on August 8, 2006
...Here's an email from a technical contact....Bottom line, it shouldn't have taken the Lieberman camp more than an hour to fix this.
1. Unless and until Lieberman's hosting provider releases his logfiles (gateway router, www server, mail server, DNS server) for forensic review, all of this is speculation.[source]
2. Using the following information:a. the site has been down for 18 hours3. It's highly unlikely this is a true DoS of DDoS attack. This is because we can ping all the IPs noted above and we can see the page at http://server1.myhostcamp.com/suspended page. If this was a real DoS or DDoS attack, we'd not be able to see any of this and their servers would not be answering their ping at an average of 50ms (millisecond) per packet. True attacks bring down servers, routers and networks. From all available outside evidence this does not appear to be the case.
b. email to (and from?) Joe2006.com addresses has been affected
c. Joe2006.com and mail.joe2006.com resolve to IP 69.56.129.130
d. the reverse lookup on that IP is 82.81.3845.static.theplanet.com
e. joe2006.com now forwards to http://server1.myhostcamp.com/
suspended.page/
4. Here what might have happened:a. Web traffic spikes as national focus on the campaign grows5. Regardless of the explanation (3 or 4), here is what you do when that happens:
b. Based on (2b) above, if the webserver is throttled by traffic (due to actual traffic or poor response tuning or an attack or a combination of the three), this would also affect mail delivery to joe2006.com. It could also affect outbound mail if users on that domain use that address for SMTP service.
c. The server is most likely a shared one, since the name, server1.myhostcamp.com, implies lots of other hosts live on it.a. You grab your local backup (you do have a local backup of your files (both scripts and database snapshots, right?).Steps a-e can be accomplished, especially with the kind of site Joe had up and running before this incident (nothing particularly complex), in less than an hour or so by a competent sysadmin."
b. You find a host that specialized in high bandwidth hosting and you get an account going ASAP. There are plenty of ISPs that would take your money to expedite this.
c. You move your files up, test that everything is working
d. You redirect your DNS so that Joe2006.com points to you new server; this change doesn't take very long to propagate because you make sure that the DNS update uses a very low TTL (time to live).
e. If needed, you separate your mailserver mail.joe2006.com from your webserver joe2006.com/www.joe2006.com so as to keep your mail up and going.
posted by ericb at 1:11 PM on August 8, 2006
So when Slashdot or MeFi or DailyKos, sites with many thousands of visitors, link to a website, we're calling that a denial of service attack now, huh?
That's cute.
posted by teece at 1:18 PM on August 8, 2006
That's cute.
posted by teece at 1:18 PM on August 8, 2006
I work as lead Systems Administrator for a medium sized bank.
I did some poking around, and ewagonder and sequential are on the money. This site is not down due to a DOS attack (at least not currently, possibly originally, but who DOS attacks for 10 mins then stops?)
Man thats really amazingly funny if it is true that their account is the baseline account. Thats like Honda premiering their new 2008 cars, and someone forgetting to pay to have them washed. Who is that stupid? I mean honestly, with this much riding on the next 24 hours, who is stupid enough to not bother to get the right service? If intentional did they really honestly expect that people would say "oh lol DOS attack, hate when that happens! Man I better not vote for Ned!"
posted by Addiction at 1:18 PM on August 8, 2006
I did some poking around, and ewagonder and sequential are on the money. This site is not down due to a DOS attack (at least not currently, possibly originally, but who DOS attacks for 10 mins then stops?)
Man thats really amazingly funny if it is true that their account is the baseline account. Thats like Honda premiering their new 2008 cars, and someone forgetting to pay to have them washed. Who is that stupid? I mean honestly, with this much riding on the next 24 hours, who is stupid enough to not bother to get the right service? If intentional did they really honestly expect that people would say "oh lol DOS attack, hate when that happens! Man I better not vote for Ned!"
posted by Addiction at 1:18 PM on August 8, 2006
From TPM:
"We're just fighting to get something live," he said, "we're not security experts."
Obviously. Here's my guess. Joe has run his entire campaign through cronyism and old connections. Most likely Lieberman knew a guy who knew a guy who did hosting. And this is the result. Just like the Bear ad and the rest of their horrible campaign, they ran a totally incompetent. Operation and either left their site open to hax0rs or simply used up all their bandwidth. And their host (being incompetent) can't figure out how to turn off their automatic throttling software.
posted by delmoi at 1:22 PM on August 8, 2006
"We're just fighting to get something live," he said, "we're not security experts."
Obviously. Here's my guess. Joe has run his entire campaign through cronyism and old connections. Most likely Lieberman knew a guy who knew a guy who did hosting. And this is the result. Just like the Bear ad and the rest of their horrible campaign, they ran a totally incompetent. Operation and either left their site open to hax0rs or simply used up all their bandwidth. And their host (being incompetent) can't figure out how to turn off their automatic throttling software.
posted by delmoi at 1:22 PM on August 8, 2006
"For the past twenty-four hours my toaster oven has been acting funny. I turn the little darkness thingy all the way up and the toast still comes out only half toasted. I believe this is a retaliation by my political opponents for my blogging about their dirty tricks.[signed] BranfordBoy
Since becoming a left-wing wacko I have lived my commitment to being lax on security by occasionally leaving my front door unlocked. It would be child's play for my political opponents to sneak in, diddle with my toaster oven, and slink back out into the night their nefarious diddling accomplished. Of course, it's totally unreasonable to expect me to be able to fix it myself.
I call on Senator Lieberman to make an unequivocal statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation (how can you vote when you're worried sick about your toaster oven?) and undermine the voting process on Election Day by depriving me of decent toast on which to slather my peanut butter is deplorable and has no place in our democracy."
posted by ericb at 1:24 PM on August 8, 2006
By the way, joe took in 1.2 million dollars yesterday. He obviously could have afforded good internet service. I think the host is lying about the hack to cover their asses.
They did put up a really simple page that I saw last night saying they were having difficulties, etc. Now it's back to the suspended page (which also times out itself). I really think that the sysadmin running their host just doesn't know how to turn off throttling. There's also a possibility that the traffic is overloading their actual CPU, rather then using up all their traffic.
posted by delmoi at 1:25 PM on August 8, 2006
They did put up a really simple page that I saw last night saying they were having difficulties, etc. Now it's back to the suspended page (which also times out itself). I really think that the sysadmin running their host just doesn't know how to turn off throttling. There's also a possibility that the traffic is overloading their actual CPU, rather then using up all their traffic.
posted by delmoi at 1:25 PM on August 8, 2006
Remember when Karl Rove found the bug in John Clements' campaign office?
What a hoot...
posted by Navelgazer at 1:29 PM on August 8, 2006
What a hoot...
posted by Navelgazer at 1:29 PM on August 8, 2006
I was walking across the New Haven green after leaving work today, and there were some people holding signs supporting Dan Malloy. Some guy walking behind me kept yelling "Lieberman! Lieberman!" at the people, apparently not realizing that Malloy is running for governor, not for a seat in the senate.
Who cares about websites? Can we do something about idiots?
posted by eunoia at 1:30 PM on August 8, 2006
Who cares about websites? Can we do something about idiots?
posted by eunoia at 1:30 PM on August 8, 2006
Near as I can tell, all the domains at 69.56.129.130 are all up. So the problems are not affecting all of mybasecamp.
It's myhostcamp, not mybasecamp. And neither http://myhostcamp.com nor http://69.56.129.130 load for me.
posted by delmoi at 1:30 PM on August 8, 2006
It's myhostcamp, not mybasecamp. And neither http://myhostcamp.com nor http://69.56.129.130 load for me.
posted by delmoi at 1:30 PM on August 8, 2006
Weird, meetned.com does load, and it's on the same IP. Very strange.
posted by delmoi at 1:37 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by delmoi at 1:37 PM on August 8, 2006
delmoi, try using this page to ping that IP Address. The server is not down, nor are the other sites hosted on that IP address.
On preview: as you've just noted.
posted by sequential at 1:38 PM on August 8, 2006
On preview: as you've just noted.
posted by sequential at 1:38 PM on August 8, 2006
Lamont campaign links to Joe's Google cache site.
Sysadmin here as well, in claims processing. As to the idea that their email is down, you can go to the form on the cached version and sign up for the newsletter, and get an acknowledgment email back...
Also:
2) There is, in fact, a mailserver answering there.
So, the "fact" that they're not getting email is their own fault. They're advertising a valid mailserver to send mail to them. That mailserver is up. If the server isn't configured to accept mail for them, that's their fault.
posted by eriko at 1:41 PM on August 8, 2006
Sysadmin here as well, in claims processing. As to the idea that their email is down, you can go to the form on the cached version and sign up for the newsletter, and get an acknowledgment email back...
Also:
$ dig joe2006.com mx (trimmed stuff from here -- eriko) joe2006.com. 86364 IN MX 10 mail.joe2006.com. $ telnet mail.joe2006.com 25 Trying 69.56.129.130... Connected to mail.joe2006.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220-server1.myhostcamp.com ESMTP Exim 4.52 #1 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:36:59 -0700 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, 220 and/or bulk e-mail. HELO 250 server1.myhostcamp.com Hello [XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX]1) joe2006.com has an mx record. (They only have one. Silly rabbits.)
2) There is, in fact, a mailserver answering there.
So, the "fact" that they're not getting email is their own fault. They're advertising a valid mailserver to send mail to them. That mailserver is up. If the server isn't configured to accept mail for them, that's their fault.
posted by eriko at 1:41 PM on August 8, 2006
It will be interesting to see what the investigation finds out.
Just watch – will we ever see such an article?
Lieberman Camp Admits to Gross Incompetence
Associated Press | August 15, 2006
posted by ericb at 1:57 PM on August 8, 2006
Just watch – will we ever see such an article?
Lieberman Camp Admits to Gross Incompetence
Associated Press | August 15, 2006
The campaign of Senator Joseph I. Lieberman admitted that their website was not “hacked” on the day of the Democratic primary race for the United States Senate between Mr. Lieberman and Ned Lamont, a Greenwich multimillionaire whose antiwar candidacy proved unexpectedly strong, but that it "crashed" due to the “gross incompetence” of the system administrator responsible for maintaining their technical operations. “It’s true,” said Mr. Lieberman’s campaign manager, Sean Smith, “We should have never listened to Senator Stevens’ recommendation that we hire a television repairman to maintain our tubes on the Internet.” Smith, referring to Senator Ted Stevens (R.-Alaska) recent claim that the Internet is a series of tubes, and “not a truck,” added, “It is unconscionable that our opponent did not inform us earlier that we were operating a sub-par website and e-mail operation. Furthermore, how dare they wait until the day of the election to offer us their technical support at the time of our greatest need?”I doubt it.
posted by ericb at 1:57 PM on August 8, 2006
From the New York Times:
Mr. Lieberman, meanwhile, canceled the last two events of his 10-day bus tour, citing a lack of voters at the polling stations.
Really? 14,000 newly registered CT democrats, another 14,000 who just switched sides before the election, and there aren't enough voters?
I just spoke with my sister, who had to go to three different polling stations this morning before finding her ownclaimed that each one was packed, and wehen she finally got to vote herself at 9:30, over three hundred people had voted in that station alone. A line of ten people formed behind her in the time it took to look up her name.
By contrast, in the 2000 primaries, my sister lived in Dallas, and became the delegate for her district, and then region and beyond, purely by being the only Democrat to show up (a disproportionate part of Texas ended up supporting Bill Bradley) This primary seems a little better attended.
But Joe's probably right. CT doesn't really care about this race.
posted by Navelgazer at 1:58 PM on August 8, 2006
Mr. Lieberman, meanwhile, canceled the last two events of his 10-day bus tour, citing a lack of voters at the polling stations.
Really? 14,000 newly registered CT democrats, another 14,000 who just switched sides before the election, and there aren't enough voters?
I just spoke with my sister, who had to go to three different polling stations this morning before finding her ownclaimed that each one was packed, and wehen she finally got to vote herself at 9:30, over three hundred people had voted in that station alone. A line of ten people formed behind her in the time it took to look up her name.
By contrast, in the 2000 primaries, my sister lived in Dallas, and became the delegate for her district, and then region and beyond, purely by being the only Democrat to show up (a disproportionate part of Texas ended up supporting Bill Bradley) This primary seems a little better attended.
But Joe's probably right. CT doesn't really care about this race.
posted by Navelgazer at 1:58 PM on August 8, 2006
Update:
From an email:
Will the Lieberman campaign reimburse state and federal investigators wasting resources to confirm that the site went down because the campaign was too cheap to hire a quality hosting provider?"
posted by ericb at 2:03 PM on August 8, 2006
From an email:
http://www.meetned.com/ 69.56.129.130DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. This isn't a DoS attack.
http://www.joe2006.com/ 69.56.129.130
MeetNed.com - Up.
Joe2006.com - Down.
Will the Lieberman campaign reimburse state and federal investigators wasting resources to confirm that the site went down because the campaign was too cheap to hire a quality hosting provider?"
posted by ericb at 2:03 PM on August 8, 2006
ericb writes "DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "
Just because meetned and joe2006 have the same IP address doesn't mean they're running on the same server.
posted by mr_roboto at 2:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Just because meetned and joe2006 have the same IP address doesn't mean they're running on the same server.
posted by mr_roboto at 2:12 PM on August 8, 2006
I think this is something the Lieberman campaign have cooked up themselves, to reverse-smear Lamont and get a ton of publicity.
posted by Flashman at 2:13 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Flashman at 2:13 PM on August 8, 2006
ericb *quotes from DKos website*: "DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "
posted by ericb at 2:15 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 2:15 PM on August 8, 2006
I just heard that Lieberman's campaign manager found out his office was bugged.
posted by ryoshu at 2:24 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ryoshu at 2:24 PM on August 8, 2006
From TPMMuckraker:
Unsolicited advice, free of charge: You should be spending 99% of your time getting the site back up, you knucklehead.
These guys are full of it. This is a ploy. If they were truly concerned about the site, they'd be getting it up on a different host by now and their consultant would be locked in a room somewhere until it was done, like any other responsible party would do in this situation. Instead they are milking this for all it's worth.
I guess it depends on the factors his job hinges upon. Most webmasters would be sweating their job (and their reputation and career) right now.
This jackass isn't managing a web presence. He's managing perception. He's not neglecting his job...he's doing it.
gg n00b
posted by edverb at 2:26 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman's internet consultant Dan Geary, who oversees Joe2006.com, says he's still sure that their site suffered a "malicious attack." But when pressed, he said that they weren't sure that it was a "Denial of Service" attack, as he'd said earlier. He didn't have any more information about the nature of the supposed attack. "I've spent 99% of my time speaking [to reporters] about the story," he said.(emphasis mine)
Unsolicited advice, free of charge: You should be spending 99% of your time getting the site back up, you knucklehead.
These guys are full of it. This is a ploy. If they were truly concerned about the site, they'd be getting it up on a different host by now and their consultant would be locked in a room somewhere until it was done, like any other responsible party would do in this situation. Instead they are milking this for all it's worth.
I guess it depends on the factors his job hinges upon. Most webmasters would be sweating their job (and their reputation and career) right now.
This jackass isn't managing a web presence. He's managing perception. He's not neglecting his job...he's doing it.
gg n00b
posted by edverb at 2:26 PM on August 8, 2006
I've built lots of websites on crappy shared servers. This sort of thing isn't common, but you'd have to be pretty noob-like in the shared host web dev field to have never seen it. Either -
1) You call them up and they turn you back on. This takes minutes.
or
2) You move the site to a new host using backups.
I've actually done #2 in under an hour. And that includes browsing the hosts plans, buying the service, switching DNS, loading the content & database, and getting mail running.
Either we see the log files or it's Lieberman staging a media circus.
"No. Don't fix it. We can use this. Just leave the site down. In fact tell the hosting service to leave it down."
posted by Wizzlet at 2:27 PM on August 8, 2006
1) You call them up and they turn you back on. This takes minutes.
or
2) You move the site to a new host using backups.
I've actually done #2 in under an hour. And that includes browsing the hosts plans, buying the service, switching DNS, loading the content & database, and getting mail running.
Either we see the log files or it's Lieberman staging a media circus.
"No. Don't fix it. We can use this. Just leave the site down. In fact tell the hosting service to leave it down."
posted by Wizzlet at 2:27 PM on August 8, 2006
"For the past 6 years my toaster brain has been acting funny. I turn the little democracy thingy all the way up and the toast brain still comes out only half toasted baked. I believe this is a retaliation by my political opponents for my blogging about their dirty tricks.
I call on Ned Lamont to make an unequivocal statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation (how can you vote when you're worried sick about yourtoaster brain?) and undermine the voting process on Election Day by depriving me of a decent toast brain on which to slather my peanut butter disastrous Bush hand jobs is deplorable and has no place in our democracy."
posted by Skygazer at 2:28 PM on August 8, 2006
I call on Ned Lamont to make an unequivocal statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation (how can you vote when you're worried sick about your
posted by Skygazer at 2:28 PM on August 8, 2006
Quoting Kos: DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "
Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
posted by SweetJesus at 2:29 PM on August 8, 2006
Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
posted by SweetJesus at 2:29 PM on August 8, 2006
Joementum's tubes guru now admits it might not be a DoS, despite his earlier and repeated insinuations that it was.
posted by theonetruebix at 2:29 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by theonetruebix at 2:29 PM on August 8, 2006
"He didn't have any more information about the nature of the supposed attack."
Smoking gun right there. If you can't get detailed info on an attack within a few hours, the attack didn't happen. Heck, why wouldn't you be able to get specifics about the attack immediately? Seriously. I'm asking. How is it possible this guy wouldn't know the exact nature of the attack?
I haven't used it in a long time, but I'm prtetty sure you could even noob it using cPanel and figure out what was going on.
posted by Wizzlet at 2:34 PM on August 8, 2006
Smoking gun right there. If you can't get detailed info on an attack within a few hours, the attack didn't happen. Heck, why wouldn't you be able to get specifics about the attack immediately? Seriously. I'm asking. How is it possible this guy wouldn't know the exact nature of the attack?
I haven't used it in a long time, but I'm prtetty sure you could even noob it using cPanel and figure out what was going on.
posted by Wizzlet at 2:34 PM on August 8, 2006
I'm still waiting for the part where we get to beat Lieberman with electrical cables.
posted by warbaby at 2:35 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by warbaby at 2:35 PM on August 8, 2006
Oh, man. I want "tubes guru" on my business card.
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:35 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:35 PM on August 8, 2006
I'm gonna be so bummed tomorrow when Lieberman vs. Lamont is over. I can't wait to see if my Democrat beat your Democrat.
posted by pardonyou? at 2:37 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by pardonyou? at 2:37 PM on August 8, 2006
I think this is something the Lieberman campaign have cooked up themselves, to reverse-smear Lamont and get a ton of publicity.
I think so too, especially after them bragging about how the bear ad was so popular it crashed them.
posted by amberglow at 2:40 PM on August 8, 2006
I can't wait to see if my Democrat beat your Democrat.
You misspelled "Republican."
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:41 PM on August 8, 2006
You misspelled "Republican."
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:41 PM on August 8, 2006
Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
Exactly. I'm by no means a Lieberman fan but this is total BS. I remeber kuro5hin being down for months due to DOS. I cant stand that hack or his hacktastic dem fansite.
posted by anomie at 2:41 PM on August 8, 2006
Exactly. I'm by no means a Lieberman fan but this is total BS. I remeber kuro5hin being down for months due to DOS. I cant stand that hack or his hacktastic dem fansite.
posted by anomie at 2:41 PM on August 8, 2006
but I'm prtetty sure you could even noob it using cPanel and figure out what was going on.
Yes, even in the first versions of cPanel, you could pull raw logs right off of the server. Innumerable products on the web allow you to do log analysis on your desktop, produce pretty graphs, and all for either a measley charge or well within their free trial period. Later versions of cPanel allowed for server administrators to run included versions of web-based statistics software. It's now just a matter of clicking an icon on the main cPanel page to get all sorts of referrer statistics, load information, and bandwidth stats.
posted by thanotopsis at 2:46 PM on August 8, 2006
Yes, even in the first versions of cPanel, you could pull raw logs right off of the server. Innumerable products on the web allow you to do log analysis on your desktop, produce pretty graphs, and all for either a measley charge or well within their free trial period. Later versions of cPanel allowed for server administrators to run included versions of web-based statistics software. It's now just a matter of clicking an icon on the main cPanel page to get all sorts of referrer statistics, load information, and bandwidth stats.
posted by thanotopsis at 2:46 PM on August 8, 2006
As a registered CT Democrat I will be voting for Ned Lamont
this evening. Although Leiberman has gotten my vote in the
past it was never without a sigh. Joe always has an expression on his face like he just got blown. Before the war was an issue he wasted his time on issues like violence in video games. After the latest poll showed him picking up ground, he said earlier polls indicated that his
supporters had wanted to send him a message, which he got, so now democrats will say "OK then!" and get back in
his chorus line. What an ego.
posted by longsleeves at 2:49 PM on August 8, 2006
this evening. Although Leiberman has gotten my vote in the
past it was never without a sigh. Joe always has an expression on his face like he just got blown. Before the war was an issue he wasted his time on issues like violence in video games. After the latest poll showed him picking up ground, he said earlier polls indicated that his
supporters had wanted to send him a message, which he got, so now democrats will say "OK then!" and get back in
his chorus line. What an ego.
posted by longsleeves at 2:49 PM on August 8, 2006
Quoting Kos: DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. "
Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
Ok, so how does a DoS attack take out site on a shared server?
posted by MikeKD at 2:54 PM on August 8, 2006
Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
Ok, so how does a DoS attack take out site on a shared server?
posted by MikeKD at 2:54 PM on August 8, 2006
Alexa shows the domain joe2006.com receiving no or almost no page views for greater than 24 hours, possibly as long as four days. Not that Alexa is hugely reliable for this sort of thing, but it's interesting to note.
The linked graph also shows the stats for nedlamont.com for the same period. A click on the rank tab shows joe2006.com cracked the top 100,000 websites for a period of a couple of days in June while nedlamont.com has cracked the top 100,000 a few times in the same period and is currently at about the 40,000 mark.
posted by sequential at 3:00 PM on August 8, 2006
The linked graph also shows the stats for nedlamont.com for the same period. A click on the rank tab shows joe2006.com cracked the top 100,000 websites for a period of a couple of days in June while nedlamont.com has cracked the top 100,000 a few times in the same period and is currently at about the 40,000 mark.
posted by sequential at 3:00 PM on August 8, 2006
Please don't listen to Kos's opinion on technical matters, because he's talking out his ass.
It's not Kos's opinion. He quotes from an e-mail the website received.
posted by ericb at 3:08 PM on August 8, 2006
It's not Kos's opinion. He quotes from an e-mail the website received.
posted by ericb at 3:08 PM on August 8, 2006
I so wish I lived in Connecticut right now, just so I could vote that lying, crass, manipulative, thug-machine politician-zombie out of office.
posted by blucevalo at 3:08 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by blucevalo at 3:08 PM on August 8, 2006
After reading everything, it really looks like smoke from the Leiberman campaign.
He knows he may lose, so he tosses a hail mary.
Most voters aren't tech savvy enough to understand "his bandwidth was exceeded."
So his campaign tries to obfuscate.
It's not quite an illegitimate black child, but its still pretty dirty.
posted by The Jesse Helms at 3:13 PM on August 8, 2006
He knows he may lose, so he tosses a hail mary.
Most voters aren't tech savvy enough to understand "his bandwidth was exceeded."
So his campaign tries to obfuscate.
It's not quite an illegitimate black child, but its still pretty dirty.
posted by The Jesse Helms at 3:13 PM on August 8, 2006
Just because meetned and joe2006 have the same IP address doesn't mean they're running on the same server.
True, that IP address could be of a load balancer. But I doubt it.
Without knowing the internals of their setup, we can only speculate what went wrong. I'm sticking with the idea that dynamically generated php/mysql site got hammered with more traffic than they were expecting. The admin shunted everything on joe2006 over to a suspended page to keep the rest of his sites up. Not sure why he hasn't setup another dedicated server for joe2006 yet, though.
posted by justkevin at 3:13 PM on August 8, 2006
True, that IP address could be of a load balancer. But I doubt it.
Without knowing the internals of their setup, we can only speculate what went wrong. I'm sticking with the idea that dynamically generated php/mysql site got hammered with more traffic than they were expecting. The admin shunted everything on joe2006 over to a suspended page to keep the rest of his sites up. Not sure why he hasn't setup another dedicated server for joe2006 yet, though.
posted by justkevin at 3:13 PM on August 8, 2006
Wonkette: Lieberman Campaign's Website Woes Own Damn Fault:
"Why the hell is Joe Lieberman’s campaign site hosted by these people (site down — probably not because of dirty deeds, by the way) under the cheapest plan available? And why do Lieberman’s FEC filings say he’s paying $1500 to a different company for web hosting? No, we seriously want to know. These aren’t rhetorical questions.posted by ericb at 3:14 PM on August 8, 2006
We have to assume that Lieberman paid the guys named above (click to enlarge slightly) to find hosting, and “2 Dog Media” went with the cheapest option available..."
Ok, so how does a DoS attack take out site on a shared server?
DoS just means denial of service. It could be something like requesting a bunch of data off the server in order to make the page blow its quotas. That wouldn't affect other pages. Or it could affect something that one page needs, and another doesn't, like a java servlet container or MySQL or something. It's certainly possible.
posted by delmoi at 3:16 PM on August 8, 2006
DoS just means denial of service. It could be something like requesting a bunch of data off the server in order to make the page blow its quotas. That wouldn't affect other pages. Or it could affect something that one page needs, and another doesn't, like a java servlet container or MySQL or something. It's certainly possible.
posted by delmoi at 3:16 PM on August 8, 2006
For the interested:
http://packetstormsecurity.nl/DoS/
posted by The Jesse Helms at 3:18 PM on August 8, 2006
http://packetstormsecurity.nl/DoS/
posted by The Jesse Helms at 3:18 PM on August 8, 2006
I want to know what Ted Stevens thinks about this
TANGLED UP TUBES! not a truck
It's all so clear now. Clearly Stevens has diverted oil from the troubled Alaska tube to the tubes connecting Lieberman's website in retaliation for Lierberman's debate comments against bridge to nowhere, despite earlier voting for it.
posted by scottreynen at 3:18 PM on August 8, 2006
TANGLED UP TUBES! not a truck
It's all so clear now. Clearly Stevens has diverted oil from the troubled Alaska tube to the tubes connecting Lieberman's website in retaliation for Lierberman's debate comments against bridge to nowhere, despite earlier voting for it.
posted by scottreynen at 3:18 PM on August 8, 2006
I so wish I lived in Connecticut right now, just so I could vote that lying, crass, manipulative, thug-machine politician-zombie out of office.
You can replace "Connecticut" with any state in which someone is running for retention this year. I take your point, though. Contrary to what pundits are saying, this is not all about Iraq, or even about the Bush kiss or the Hannity ... well, the Hannity getting to third base. It's about the entitlement associated with incumbency, the fact that Joe feels like he owns his seat and that the primary challenger is stealing what is rightfully his. The inevitable backlash when Joe tries to run as an independent will shift the meme from Bush-enabler to incumbency addict.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 3:54 PM on August 8, 2006
You can replace "Connecticut" with any state in which someone is running for retention this year. I take your point, though. Contrary to what pundits are saying, this is not all about Iraq, or even about the Bush kiss or the Hannity ... well, the Hannity getting to third base. It's about the entitlement associated with incumbency, the fact that Joe feels like he owns his seat and that the primary challenger is stealing what is rightfully his. The inevitable backlash when Joe tries to run as an independent will shift the meme from Bush-enabler to incumbency addict.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 3:54 PM on August 8, 2006
See, I don't understand the Kos quotes here.
First:
"They are paying $15/month for hosting at a place called MyHostCamp, with a bandwidth limit of 10GB. MyHostCamp is currently down, along with all their clients. "
Followed by:
"DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. This isn't a DoS attack."
Anyway, this looks like a DoS attack to me. But any random script kiddie can pull that off, kinda pointless to go blaming Lamont.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:55 PM on August 8, 2006
First:
"They are paying $15/month for hosting at a place called MyHostCamp, with a bandwidth limit of 10GB. MyHostCamp is currently down, along with all their clients. "
Followed by:
"DoS attacks don't affect particular accounts on a server. They bring down the whole server. The attack site is up, their campaign site is down. This isn't a DoS attack."
Anyway, this looks like a DoS attack to me. But any random script kiddie can pull that off, kinda pointless to go blaming Lamont.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:55 PM on August 8, 2006
National Review blog:
"Joe2006.com was setup by Dan Geary who has an e-mail address at Hotmail and no discernable website. Likely, someone in the Lieberman camp knew Geary to be 'technical' and someone who could help out. I’ve never heard of myhostcamp and I’ve been working with websites and website providers a long time, making it possible that Geary personally knows, or is even involved with, the myhostcamp.com hosting company.posted by ericb at 4:00 PM on August 8, 2006
While it’s possible that someone actually hacked joe2006.com, from what I’ve seen, this seems to be the least likely option. More likely, this whole episode started last night with a simple over-usage of bandwidth....This looks to be simply the work of an inexperienced technical consultant...." more ...
According to dailykos's interpretation of Lieberman's SEC filings, Lieberman's campaign paid $1500 to a company called "two dog media" to manage their web presence. this appears to be 2dog's website.
posted by delmoi at 4:11 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by delmoi at 4:11 PM on August 8, 2006
My own googling also turned up this company also called 2dog media.
posted by delmoi at 4:14 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by delmoi at 4:14 PM on August 8, 2006
As has been noted above, others find that the Lieberman camp's e-mail is indeed working.
posted by ericb at 4:20 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 4:20 PM on August 8, 2006
I just read that they're gonna use this to try to justify the Independent run in November--the Lieberman for Lieberman ticket.
posted by amberglow at 4:20 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 4:20 PM on August 8, 2006
The second one is based in CT and has some CT clients.
That is indeed the company listed on the FEC forms -- and located in Rocky Hill, CT -- as per above in the Wonkette posting.
posted by ericb at 4:23 PM on August 8, 2006
That is indeed the company listed on the FEC forms -- and located in Rocky Hill, CT -- as per above in the Wonkette posting.
posted by ericb at 4:23 PM on August 8, 2006
Other clients of the Rocky Hill, CT '2 Dog Media' include:
Diane Farrell for Congressposted by ericb at 4:26 PM on August 8, 2006
Norwalk Democrats
Senator Bill Finch
You can replace "Connecticut" with any state in which someone is running for retention this year.
Stipulated.
posted by blucevalo at 4:31 PM on August 8, 2006
Stipulated.
posted by blucevalo at 4:31 PM on August 8, 2006
So -- according to the FEC forms, 2 Dog Media was paid on 06/08/2006 ("date of disbursement") by "Friends of Joe Lieberman, 2006" $1,482.50 ($980 + $502.50) for "web hosting and web changes.'
If much of the info that is coming out is indeed accurate, it does appear that 2 Dog Media subcontracted and co-located the hosting to MyHostCamp, securing a $15/month deal. Hmmm. Where does the sampaign's technical consultant, Dan Geary, fit into all of this? Who indeed was/is responsible for technical management? Geary, 2 Dog Media, MyHostCamp -- or, even, www.theplanet.com where apparently MyHostCamp was renting server space?
posted by ericb at 4:33 PM on August 8, 2006
If much of the info that is coming out is indeed accurate, it does appear that 2 Dog Media subcontracted and co-located the hosting to MyHostCamp, securing a $15/month deal. Hmmm. Where does the sampaign's technical consultant, Dan Geary, fit into all of this? Who indeed was/is responsible for technical management? Geary, 2 Dog Media, MyHostCamp -- or, even, www.theplanet.com where apparently MyHostCamp was renting server space?
posted by ericb at 4:33 PM on August 8, 2006
I find it hilarious the ridiculous coverage that this campaign is getting and the play that this particular story is getting. Plus, who gives a crap about his campaign site, its fucking election day!
Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire? George Bush is a Greenwich millionaire. Talk about swallowing the BS hook, line, and sinker. Bushco is smiling if Lamont wins.
There is more to being a State Senator than Lieberman's position on the war, which by the way was shared by many Dem senators. Being from CT, Lamont winning is probably not a good thing. You are talking about removing the ex-VP candidate on a ticket that WON, and putting in some clown who wasn't able to succeed as a Greenwich First Selectman. Sheesh.
posted by sfts2 at 4:35 PM on August 8, 2006
Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire? George Bush is a Greenwich millionaire. Talk about swallowing the BS hook, line, and sinker. Bushco is smiling if Lamont wins.
There is more to being a State Senator than Lieberman's position on the war, which by the way was shared by many Dem senators. Being from CT, Lamont winning is probably not a good thing. You are talking about removing the ex-VP candidate on a ticket that WON, and putting in some clown who wasn't able to succeed as a Greenwich First Selectman. Sheesh.
posted by sfts2 at 4:35 PM on August 8, 2006
sfts2, removing Lieberman means removing Bush and the GOP's best patsy--he's supported them, he's for going into Iran and Syria, he's against Affirmative Action, he's for School Vouchers, etc--Lieberman is out of step not only with Democrats in Connecticut but with the vast majority of voters in Connecticut entirely. Lamont is an unknown, but given who helped get him in, we won't be seeing the same behavior, believe me.
posted by amberglow at 4:39 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 4:39 PM on August 8, 2006
Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire?
Yeah -- so, what? I'm more interested in his policy stance, a change in direction for our national Senate (not *State Senate*), etc. than his pocketbook.
While we're on the topic Lieberman is also a millionaire. Granted, not from Fairfield County, but just up the tracks in New Haven.
posted by ericb at 4:42 PM on August 8, 2006
Yeah -- so, what? I'm more interested in his policy stance, a change in direction for our national Senate (not *State Senate*), etc. than his pocketbook.
While we're on the topic Lieberman is also a millionaire. Granted, not from Fairfield County, but just up the tracks in New Haven.
posted by ericb at 4:42 PM on August 8, 2006
Anyway, this looks like a DoS attack to me.1Presuming you're not equating high volume, legitimate traffic, like the Slashdot Effect, with a denial of service attack, would you mind taking a few minutes share what evidence you've seen that lead you to conclude this?
Please consider the following in your response:
- Whatever has happened, it's certainly not a simple drain the available bandwidth attack, as the other sites hosted on the same IP have run without interruption.
- The mail server, as eriko demonstrates, is perfectly operable despite claims otherwise.
On the eve of the election, they hit the dreaded built-in bandwidth usage limit in cPanel. Not knowing or understanding this, they panicked and started looking for possible solutions to their problem. Gerstein and Smith, along with their technical consultant, unable to come up with a better technical solution, find a politically convenient solution: evil, liberal hackers.
They admit they have no evidence of Lamont's involvement and they don't make it clear at any point they have evidence of a denial of service attack.
Of course, I'm speculating given the publicly available information and some knowledge of how a denial of service attack might work, but I see no evidence contradicting my conclusions at this point with one possible exception: Alexa doesn't show a spike in traffic for yesterday. Of course, Alexa is not all that accurate and not necessarily up to date through last night at midnight.
Being from CT, Lamont winning is probably not a good thing.2In a few hours we'll find out if most of Connecticut's Democrat's agree with you as long as Lieberman doesn't contest the election. However, Lieberman, as you know from his vice presidential run in 2000, does have a history of contesting elections.
As for your assertion that it's a bad thing for any state for any candidate to win a primary: that's just plain absurd. Winning a primary means nothing to the state The winner still has to win the election.
posted by sequential at 4:42 PM on August 8, 2006
It's truly amazing the utter crap some people are spouting in this thread.
1) A DDoS attack can last many days. One of our major clients was off for most of a week due to one.
2) A DDoS attack generally does not cause a lot of logs to go back and look at. That's because most of the overwhelm the pipe, and when the pipe is full and the routers are overloaded nothing gets to the server. Further, a DistributedDoS attack is almost impossible to fight or to track down the culprits. Don't be surprised if no answer is every given for this attack.
3) It's entirely possible that the webhost took the site down due to excessive bandwidth charges or to stop the DDoS. Whether the other sites on the same IP address are still up is immaterial, since the DDoS may be effectively over now. What I'd like to know is whether they were UP when Leiberman's site went DOWN.
4) It's also entirely possible that someone less than honourable at the webhost took him offline. That ventures into conspiracy-theory levels though.
I've been a working sysadmin for nearing 16 years now. Please don't accept claims from people whose only experience is running IE on their home cable account.
posted by Kickstart70 at 4:44 PM on August 8, 2006
1) A DDoS attack can last many days. One of our major clients was off for most of a week due to one.
2) A DDoS attack generally does not cause a lot of logs to go back and look at. That's because most of the overwhelm the pipe, and when the pipe is full and the routers are overloaded nothing gets to the server. Further, a DistributedDoS attack is almost impossible to fight or to track down the culprits. Don't be surprised if no answer is every given for this attack.
3) It's entirely possible that the webhost took the site down due to excessive bandwidth charges or to stop the DDoS. Whether the other sites on the same IP address are still up is immaterial, since the DDoS may be effectively over now. What I'd like to know is whether they were UP when Leiberman's site went DOWN.
4) It's also entirely possible that someone less than honourable at the webhost took him offline. That ventures into conspiracy-theory levels though.
I've been a working sysadmin for nearing 16 years now. Please don't accept claims from people whose only experience is running IE on their home cable account.
posted by Kickstart70 at 4:44 PM on August 8, 2006
(if indeed it was an attack at all, of course)
posted by Kickstart70 at 4:45 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Kickstart70 at 4:45 PM on August 8, 2006
Please don't accept claims from people whose only experience is running IE on their home cable account.
We're listening to the media spread Lieberman's unsubstantiated accusations all over the world, and they're not checking into them at all--as usual.
... FYI to the Lieberman campaign: filing false criminal complaints can result in criminal charges being filed against the person making bogus allegations. So if you plan on filing complaints all over the state, you’d best be certain that you can back them up with facts. Smoke and mirrors may work with a complacent media, but it doesn’t cut it with a judge or an over-worked prosecutor and criminal investigators. They don’t find false complaints remotely amusing.
posted by amberglow at 4:49 PM on August 8, 2006
We're listening to the media spread Lieberman's unsubstantiated accusations all over the world, and they're not checking into them at all--as usual.
... FYI to the Lieberman campaign: filing false criminal complaints can result in criminal charges being filed against the person making bogus allegations. So if you plan on filing complaints all over the state, you’d best be certain that you can back them up with facts. Smoke and mirrors may work with a complacent media, but it doesn’t cut it with a judge or an over-worked prosecutor and criminal investigators. They don’t find false complaints remotely amusing.
posted by amberglow at 4:49 PM on August 8, 2006
Do you guys get it that Ned Lamont is a Greenwich millionaire? George Bush is a Greenwich millionaire. Talk about swallowing the BS hook, line, and sinker. Bushco is smiling if Lamont wins.
John Kerry's worth $164 million. Dianne Feinstein's worth over $26 million. Ted Kennedy's worth close to $10 million. Barbara Boxer's worth over a million. Most members of the Senate are millionaires. The ones who aren't make $154k a year in salary.
posted by blucevalo at 4:53 PM on August 8, 2006
John Kerry's worth $164 million. Dianne Feinstein's worth over $26 million. Ted Kennedy's worth close to $10 million. Barbara Boxer's worth over a million. Most members of the Senate are millionaires. The ones who aren't make $154k a year in salary.
posted by blucevalo at 4:53 PM on August 8, 2006
This will be the live updated vote count from CT--polls close at 8 (in 5 minutes)
posted by amberglow at 4:54 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 4:54 PM on August 8, 2006
Here's a list that is 3 years old. The numbers are the lowest possible estimates of net worth and do not include primary residences. Ned's $90 million baseline would put him in third place - proving that cable TV is no match for ketchup or department stores.
Joementum's baseline is something like $500K, with a max of $1.8M. (I tend to measure value to our country in the number of military lives spared rather than net worth, but YMMV.)
John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: $163,626,399
Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: $111,015,016
John Rockefeller, D -West Virginia: $81,648,018
Jon Corzine, D-New Jersey: $71,035,025
Dianne Feinstein, D-California: $26,377,109
Peter Fitzgerald, R-Illinois: $26,132,013
Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey $17,789,018
Bill Frist, R-Tennessee: $15,108,042
John Edwards, D-North Carolina: $12,844,029
Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts: $9,905,009
Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico: $7,981,015
Bob Graham, D-Florida: $7,691,052
Richard Shelby, R-Alabama: $7,085,012
Gordon Smith, R-Oregon: $6,429,011
Lincoln Chafee, R-Rhode Island: $6,296,010
Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska: $6,267,028
Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee: $4,823,018
Mike DeWine, R-Ohio: $4,308,093
Mark Dayton, D-Minnesota: $3,974,037
Ben Campbell, R-Colorado: $3,165,007
Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska: $2,963,013
Olympia Snowe, R-Maine: $2,955,037
James Talent, R-Missouri: $2,843,031
Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania: $2,045,016
Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire: $1,916,026
John McCain, R-Arizona: $1,838,010
James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma: $1,570,043
John Warner, R-Virginia: $1,545,039
Kay Bailey Hutchison, R - Texas: $1,513,046
Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky: $1,511,017
Harry Reid, D-Nevada: $1,500,040
Sam Brownback, R-Kansas: $1,491,018
Thomas Carper, D-Delaware: $1,482,017
Ted Stevens, R-Alaska: $1,417,013
Maria Cantwell, D-Washington: $1,264,999
Barbara Boxer, D-California: $1,172,003
Orrin Hatch, R-Utah: $1,086,023
Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana: $1,080,014
Bill Nelson, D-Florida: $1,073,014
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa: $1,016,024
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:07 PM on August 8, 2006
Joementum's baseline is something like $500K, with a max of $1.8M. (I tend to measure value to our country in the number of military lives spared rather than net worth, but YMMV.)
John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: $163,626,399
Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: $111,015,016
John Rockefeller, D -West Virginia: $81,648,018
Jon Corzine, D-New Jersey: $71,035,025
Dianne Feinstein, D-California: $26,377,109
Peter Fitzgerald, R-Illinois: $26,132,013
Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey $17,789,018
Bill Frist, R-Tennessee: $15,108,042
John Edwards, D-North Carolina: $12,844,029
Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts: $9,905,009
Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico: $7,981,015
Bob Graham, D-Florida: $7,691,052
Richard Shelby, R-Alabama: $7,085,012
Gordon Smith, R-Oregon: $6,429,011
Lincoln Chafee, R-Rhode Island: $6,296,010
Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska: $6,267,028
Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee: $4,823,018
Mike DeWine, R-Ohio: $4,308,093
Mark Dayton, D-Minnesota: $3,974,037
Ben Campbell, R-Colorado: $3,165,007
Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska: $2,963,013
Olympia Snowe, R-Maine: $2,955,037
James Talent, R-Missouri: $2,843,031
Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania: $2,045,016
Judd Gregg, R-New Hampshire: $1,916,026
John McCain, R-Arizona: $1,838,010
James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma: $1,570,043
John Warner, R-Virginia: $1,545,039
Kay Bailey Hutchison, R - Texas: $1,513,046
Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky: $1,511,017
Harry Reid, D-Nevada: $1,500,040
Sam Brownback, R-Kansas: $1,491,018
Thomas Carper, D-Delaware: $1,482,017
Ted Stevens, R-Alaska: $1,417,013
Maria Cantwell, D-Washington: $1,264,999
Barbara Boxer, D-California: $1,172,003
Orrin Hatch, R-Utah: $1,086,023
Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana: $1,080,014
Bill Nelson, D-Florida: $1,073,014
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa: $1,016,024
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:07 PM on August 8, 2006
Failure to preview, number 20496, offense, 15 yards, first down.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:08 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:08 PM on August 8, 2006
... The argument the Lieberman campaign appears to be making, then, is that though they don't have any evidence that Lamont supporters are behind the attack, the candidate himself should demand a cessation of the attack from any supporters who might have done it.
posted by amberglow at 5:09 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 5:09 PM on August 8, 2006
Where did all of Kohl's money come from ? I know Kerry married it, and Corzine was Wall St., and Rockefeller is a Rockefeller.
posted by amberglow at 5:10 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 5:10 PM on August 8, 2006
Kohl's money. I got some decent everyday sneakers for cheap!
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:12 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 5:12 PM on August 8, 2006
I don't know everything about Kohl, but his family owns (or owned) Kohl's clothing stores (and formerly also food stores). Currently I believe he also owns the Milwaukee Bucks.
posted by aaronetc at 5:12 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by aaronetc at 5:12 PM on August 8, 2006
This story makes quite the statement about the priorities of the Lieberman campaign. $500 initial investment and $100 a month, backed up by a competent developer, gets you a dedicated 1U server with an account that can handle dozens of GB of bandwidth a month.
But of course if your, er, "technical consultant" would rather have your site hosted on a cheapo $15/month plan on a server that also hosts all sorts of other sites, you're pretty much SOL -- which is the price of making bad decisions when it comes to hiring the guy who's going to run the online part of your campaign. Not much to do in that case except to make wild and potentially slanderous accusations against your opponent and hoping that the voters will be fooled.
posted by clevershark at 5:26 PM on August 8, 2006
But of course if your, er, "technical consultant" would rather have your site hosted on a cheapo $15/month plan on a server that also hosts all sorts of other sites, you're pretty much SOL -- which is the price of making bad decisions when it comes to hiring the guy who's going to run the online part of your campaign. Not much to do in that case except to make wild and potentially slanderous accusations against your opponent and hoping that the voters will be fooled.
posted by clevershark at 5:26 PM on August 8, 2006
This will be the live updated vote count from CT--polls close at 8 (in 5 minutes)
Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.
posted by jefbla at 5:29 PM on August 8, 2006
Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.
posted by jefbla at 5:29 PM on August 8, 2006
From amberglow's link, FIRST (partial) RESULTS ARE IN:
Windham County: 66 Lieberman, 126 Lamont!
posted by orthogonality at 5:31 PM on August 8, 2006
Windham County: 66 Lieberman, 126 Lamont!
posted by orthogonality at 5:31 PM on August 8, 2006
Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.
Just before it crashed, the site showed one county reporting in--66 votes for Lieberman, 126 for Lamont. Heckuva turnout.
posted by EarBucket at 5:31 PM on August 8, 2006
Just before it crashed, the site showed one county reporting in--66 votes for Lieberman, 126 for Lamont. Heckuva turnout.
posted by EarBucket at 5:31 PM on August 8, 2006
From wtnh tv:
Precincts Reporting: 29 of 757 precincts (4%)
Candidate Votes Vote %
Joe Lieberman 4,586 40%
Ned Lamont 6,814 60%
posted by orthogonality at 5:36 PM on August 8, 2006
Precincts Reporting: 29 of 757 precincts (4%)
Candidate Votes Vote %
Joe Lieberman 4,586 40%
Ned Lamont 6,814 60%
posted by orthogonality at 5:36 PM on August 8, 2006
Kos has an update diary--maybe everyone isn't allowed to use that results site or something?
posted by amberglow at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006
I didn't even know we had a Windham County. The biggies are Hartford, New Haven, and Fairfield.
posted by smackfu at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by smackfu at 5:37 PM on August 8, 2006
Wasn't Lamont projected to do better in the cities, Lieberman in the rural areas?
posted by EarBucket at 5:40 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 5:40 PM on August 8, 2006
The Courant seems to have the freshest numbers
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:40 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:40 PM on August 8, 2006
Unconfirmed report Lieberman has lost his own precinct.
posted by orthogonality at 5:45 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by orthogonality at 5:45 PM on August 8, 2006
That result site works for me, just goes in and out occasionally. So far: Lieberman - 352, Lamont - 500
posted by bob sarabia at 5:46 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by bob sarabia at 5:46 PM on August 8, 2006
Personally, I don't think losing the election is enough at this point. Is there some form of public shaming we can move on to now?
posted by MrCheese!!! at 5:49 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by MrCheese!!! at 5:49 PM on August 8, 2006
Windham County - Lieberman 138, Lamont 126
The lessons of 2000 are not lost on Joe...
posted by swell at 5:54 PM on August 8, 2006
The lessons of 2000 are not lost on Joe...
posted by swell at 5:54 PM on August 8, 2006
That result site says Windham - Lieberman - 202, Lamont - 370.
posted by bob sarabia at 5:56 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by bob sarabia at 5:56 PM on August 8, 2006
Site's not working. Probably hacked by Lamont.
Actually, it looks more like someone else didn't pay for enough resources to serve their site. :)
Actually, it looks more like someone else didn't pay for enough resources to serve their site. :)
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Official results, Sec'y of State site:
Joseph Lieberman Ned Lamont
Fairfield 0 0
Hartford 0 0
Litchfield 47 78
Middlesex 215 300
New Haven 0 0
New London 71 74
Tolland 0 0
Windham 202 370
Total 535 822
Hartford Courant results:
U.S. Senate - - Dem Primary
106 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 14.17%
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 25,969 57.79
Lieberman, Joe Dem 18,968 42.21
posted by orthogonality at 6:01 PM on August 8, 2006
Joseph Lieberman Ned Lamont
Fairfield 0 0
Hartford 0 0
Litchfield 47 78
Middlesex 215 300
New Haven 0 0
New London 71 74
Tolland 0 0
Windham 202 370
Total 535 822
Hartford Courant results:
U.S. Senate - - Dem Primary
106 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 14.17%
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 25,969 57.79
Lieberman, Joe Dem 18,968 42.21
posted by orthogonality at 6:01 PM on August 8, 2006
Just keep refreshing, it'll work. Lamont - 918, Lieberman - 535
posted by bob sarabia at 6:02 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by bob sarabia at 6:02 PM on August 8, 2006
Kickstart 70: A DDoS attack generally does not cause a lot of logs to go back and look at. That's because most of the overwhelm the pipe, and when the pipe is full and the routers are overloaded nothing gets to the server.
Okay, so what you're saying is that if my website is the target of a DDoS attack I won't be able to see anything on my IP logs, not even any initial activity or requests? How about a cut off point where the server stops? Does the router generate a log or record of bandwidth usage w/ timestamp that would indicate either a DDoS or simply a massive spike in traffic? If the other sites on that IP did stay up the whole time (and can show IP Logs) even when the alleged DDoS attack first hit joe2006.com, than does that mean that this whole DDoS thing is indeed a load of BS? Thx.
posted by Skygazer at 6:04 PM on August 8, 2006
Okay, so what you're saying is that if my website is the target of a DDoS attack I won't be able to see anything on my IP logs, not even any initial activity or requests? How about a cut off point where the server stops? Does the router generate a log or record of bandwidth usage w/ timestamp that would indicate either a DDoS or simply a massive spike in traffic? If the other sites on that IP did stay up the whole time (and can show IP Logs) even when the alleged DDoS attack first hit joe2006.com, than does that mean that this whole DDoS thing is indeed a load of BS? Thx.
posted by Skygazer at 6:04 PM on August 8, 2006
This site is nice and speedy. 56% for Ned with 17% reporting.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 6:06 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 6:06 PM on August 8, 2006
According to this live blog from the Ned Lamont headquarters in Meriden, with 25% of precincts reporting (189 out of 748), the race has tightended to 54.5% (approximately 47k votes) for Lamont and 45.5% (approximately 39k votes) for Lieberman. (See corrected entry.)
The Current is reporting:
The Current is reporting:
posted by sequential at 6:11 PM on August 8, 2006160 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 21.39% Lamont, Ned, 35,942, 56.01% Lieberman, Joe, 28,227, 43.99%
Hrm, the live blogging results aren't matching with The Courant results at 25%. According to the Courant:
posted by sequential at 6:22 PM on August 8, 2006
The live blogging now reports:89 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 25.27% Lamont, Ned, 40,934, 55.09% Lieberman, Joe, 33,375, 44.91%
UPDATE: 253 precincts in, 60K votes for Lamont, 50K for Lieberman.That's 33.8% of precincts reporting, 54.5% for Lamont, 45.5% for Lieberman.
posted by sequential at 6:22 PM on August 8, 2006
The NYT website is updating. 38% reporting 46.4% for Lieberman, 53.6% for Lamont. Gonna be close.
posted by The Bellman at 6:27 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by The Bellman at 6:27 PM on August 8, 2006
I want to see a district by district analysis.
where's my real time democracy?
that said, i was really hoping for a 12 % point blow out for Lamont, I have a feeling that Lieberman might win by a couple of percentage points but be behind all the way untill about 85% of precincts reporting. In what will be an eerily similar finish to Kerry - Bush 04
posted by sourbrew at 6:32 PM on August 8, 2006
where's my real time democracy?
that said, i was really hoping for a 12 % point blow out for Lamont, I have a feeling that Lieberman might win by a couple of percentage points but be behind all the way untill about 85% of precincts reporting. In what will be an eerily similar finish to Kerry - Bush 04
posted by sourbrew at 6:32 PM on August 8, 2006
From The Courant, again.376 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 50.27% Lamont, Ned, 70,444, 52.13% Lieberman, Joe, 64,700, 47.87%
posted by sequential at 6:33 PM on August 8, 2006
Gonna be close? It's a drubbing so far. Go Ned GO!
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:35 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:35 PM on August 8, 2006
Jesus, when Lieberman loses, the netheads are going to have a field day with this hosting trouble metaphor.
posted by mediareport at 6:35 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by mediareport at 6:35 PM on August 8, 2006
You are talking about removing the ex-VP candidate on a ticket that WON, and putting in some clown who wasn't able to succeed as a Greenwich First Selectman.
Pfft. Like being a US Senator is hard? Come on buddy, give me a break. The hardest thing about being a Senator is getting elected to be one, If Tom Coburn can be a Senator, fuck, I think Ned Lamont is more than qualified.
This Lamont fellow seems like a reasonable guy, he's well-connected, he's smart, and he supports policies I actually believe in. And unlike that other Greenwich millionaire I who's been living in the White House for 5+ years, he took a bit of family money and actually made more with it by building his own company. I'll take this to mean that he's competent, can handle conflict, perhaps build consensus, and can think on his feet.
I'll take that any day of the week over Holy Joe's arrogance and demagoguery.
posted by psmealey at 6:35 PM on August 8, 2006
Pfft. Like being a US Senator is hard? Come on buddy, give me a break. The hardest thing about being a Senator is getting elected to be one, If Tom Coburn can be a Senator, fuck, I think Ned Lamont is more than qualified.
This Lamont fellow seems like a reasonable guy, he's well-connected, he's smart, and he supports policies I actually believe in. And unlike that other Greenwich millionaire I who's been living in the White House for 5+ years, he took a bit of family money and actually made more with it by building his own company. I'll take this to mean that he's competent, can handle conflict, perhaps build consensus, and can think on his feet.
I'll take that any day of the week over Holy Joe's arrogance and demagoguery.
posted by psmealey at 6:35 PM on August 8, 2006
With 54% counted, Lieberman has closed to within 4%.
posted by sequential at 6:39 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by sequential at 6:39 PM on August 8, 2006
Anyone see anything worth responding to in this comment at Wonkette?
...I suspect Lieberman's not really getting hosting from myhostcamp.com--he only thinks he is. His "host", myhostcamp.com, is probably a reseller, buying hosting from another company and then reselling shared bandwidth to the Lieberman campaign (along with 72 other clients, from what I can gather). The reason Lieberman's site is down is the reason EVERYONE "hosted" by myhostcamp.com is down (including myhostcamp.com, which is the tipoff to what's going on). It's because myhostcamp.com has an automatic suspension on their account when they exceed a preset bandwidth limit, and interest in Lieberman's campaign made them hit the limit, bringing Lieberman's site, and all the other myhostcamp.com clients down at the same time. That's why, when you go to myhostcamp.com with Firefox, it gives you the error: "Can't connect to www.suspended.page". myhostcamp.com's account has been suspended by THEIR host. Make sense? I suspect if you contact myhostcamp.com, they'll probably deny being a reseller, but it wouldn't take much to track down their host if they're reselling.
posted by mediareport at 6:41 PM on August 8, 2006
...I suspect Lieberman's not really getting hosting from myhostcamp.com--he only thinks he is. His "host", myhostcamp.com, is probably a reseller, buying hosting from another company and then reselling shared bandwidth to the Lieberman campaign (along with 72 other clients, from what I can gather). The reason Lieberman's site is down is the reason EVERYONE "hosted" by myhostcamp.com is down (including myhostcamp.com, which is the tipoff to what's going on). It's because myhostcamp.com has an automatic suspension on their account when they exceed a preset bandwidth limit, and interest in Lieberman's campaign made them hit the limit, bringing Lieberman's site, and all the other myhostcamp.com clients down at the same time. That's why, when you go to myhostcamp.com with Firefox, it gives you the error: "Can't connect to www.suspended.page". myhostcamp.com's account has been suspended by THEIR host. Make sense? I suspect if you contact myhostcamp.com, they'll probably deny being a reseller, but it wouldn't take much to track down their host if they're reselling.
posted by mediareport at 6:41 PM on August 8, 2006
Hartford and Fairfield are leaning toward Lamont, New Haven toward Lieberman.
posted by EarBucket at 6:42 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 6:42 PM on August 8, 2006
All these important towns have no returns yet.
Greenwich
New Haven
New London
New Millford
Norwalk
Stamford
Hartford
posted by Skygazer at 6:45 PM on August 8, 2006
Greenwich
New Haven
New London
New Millford
Norwalk
Stamford
Hartford
posted by Skygazer at 6:45 PM on August 8, 2006
The reason Lieberman's site is down is the reason EVERYONE "hosted" by myhostcamp.com is down (including myhostcamp.com, which is the tipoff to what's going on).One problem: the other 72 sites were not down.
posted by sequential at 6:46 PM on August 8, 2006
I like this race. Notice it is 100% counted.
State House - District 41 - Dem Primary
4 of 4 Precincts Reporting - 100.00%
Name Party Votes Pct
Schmidt, Rita Dem 457 34.60
Wright, Elissa Dem 456 34.52
Now that's close.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 6:47 PM on August 8, 2006
State House - District 41 - Dem Primary
4 of 4 Precincts Reporting - 100.00%
Name Party Votes Pct
Schmidt, Rita Dem 457 34.60
Wright, Elissa Dem 456 34.52
Now that's close.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 6:47 PM on August 8, 2006
52-48 now----i bet it'll be really close and Lieberman will call for a recount.
posted by amberglow at 6:47 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 6:47 PM on August 8, 2006
oh, dances--imagine if Wright voted for the other one out of some noble impulse! how awful!
posted by amberglow at 6:48 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 6:48 PM on August 8, 2006
One more time from The Courant.484 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 64.71% Lamont, Ned, 89,814, 51.60% Lieberman, Joe, 84,231, 48.40%
posted by sequential at 6:48 PM on August 8, 2006
[Thanks, sequential; I've been jumping around in these pages too much.]
posted by mediareport at 6:50 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by mediareport at 6:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Unsubstantiated rumors from the evil liberals:
posted by sequential at 6:51 PM on August 8, 2006
MAJOR UPDATE: 80% OF THE VOTE COUNTED: 117K VOTES FOR LAMONT, 103K FOR LIEBERMAN. Someone calculate this! CT Blogger is saying, "It's over." Let's wait and see.As a side note, he's gotten about every update wrong. He's just posting what he's hearing in the Lamont HQ evil liberal room.
posted by sequential at 6:51 PM on August 8, 2006
484 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 64.71%
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 89,814 51.60
Lieberman, Joe (i) Dem 84,231 48.40
Closer than I thought it would be...Big cities still need to report though.
posted by rollbiz at 6:52 PM on August 8, 2006
Name Party Votes Pct
Lamont, Ned Dem 89,814 51.60
Lieberman, Joe (i) Dem 84,231 48.40
Closer than I thought it would be...Big cities still need to report though.
posted by rollbiz at 6:52 PM on August 8, 2006
Conneticut Bob claims
80% in
Lamont 117000
Lieberman 103000
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 6:52 PM on August 8, 2006
80% in
Lamont 117000
Lieberman 103000
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 6:52 PM on August 8, 2006
A large part of my income depends on having a working server. So not only have I picked the best and most reliable server for my hosting, I've also picked the best backup server, with a completly different company, in a different part of the country.
And not only that I've also backed up all files for my sites. So if there is some sort of problem with the main host I don't have to do any thing but change the dns.
I would think the big boys would do the same thing.
posted by nyxxxx at 6:53 PM on August 8, 2006
And not only that I've also backed up all files for my sites. So if there is some sort of problem with the main host I don't have to do any thing but change the dns.
I would think the big boys would do the same thing.
posted by nyxxxx at 6:53 PM on August 8, 2006
hey, are the Casino workers Union? There are tons of new voters since 2000 in and around New London.
posted by amberglow at 7:00 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:00 PM on August 8, 2006
Anybody know if anyone's blogging from Lieberman's headquarters? What's the mood like there?
posted by EarBucket at 7:05 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:05 PM on August 8, 2006
I expect that Lieberman will win the democratic party's nomination... albeit with a very thin margin of victory, and subsequently weak mandate.
Any margin of victory=strong mandate in America. If Lieberman wins tonight by a hundredth of a percent he won't learn a goddam thing from it. The people who voted for Lamont won't be invited into the big tent because there isn't one.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:05 PM on August 8, 2006
Any margin of victory=strong mandate in America. If Lieberman wins tonight by a hundredth of a percent he won't learn a goddam thing from it. The people who voted for Lamont won't be invited into the big tent because there isn't one.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:05 PM on August 8, 2006
EarBucket writes "Anybody know if anyone's blogging from Lieberman's headquarters? What's the mood like there?"
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/
posted by orthogonality at 7:07 PM on August 8, 2006
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/
posted by orthogonality at 7:07 PM on August 8, 2006
That's from Lamont's HQ isn't it?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2006
Jesus, when Lieberman loses, the netheads are going to have a field day with this hosting trouble metaphor.
An interesting observation:
An interesting observation:
"[N]o matter what happens later today, Wednesday will be the worst day of press for the progressive netroots in years. If Lamont loses, we will be branded as ineffectual, irrelevant, extremist, and destructive. If Ned Lamont wins, we will be branded as powerful, relevant, extremist, and destructive."posted by ericb at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2006
er, right
posted by orthogonality at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by orthogonality at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2006
114k-106k Lamont up and 80 percent in, according to the Courant.
posted by rollbiz at 7:10 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 7:10 PM on August 8, 2006
Interesting perspective, though. Sounds like Lamont's getting ready to make an announcement.
posted by EarBucket at 7:12 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:12 PM on August 8, 2006
C-SPAN is carrying WFSB coverage on and off, for anyone outside of CT who want to watch.
posted by rollbiz at 7:12 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by rollbiz at 7:12 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
are the Casino workers Union?When I lived in New London, in 1998, they were not yet unionized. According to this report, though, it appears there has been some positive movement. The UNITE HERE site has a Local 217 in New London, but I can't find a single mention of either local casino on their site.
posted by sequential at 7:13 PM on August 8, 2006
In other news, Cynthia McKinney's looking pretty shaky down in Georgia. Johnson's leading her by more than 20%.
posted by EarBucket at 7:14 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:14 PM on August 8, 2006
I did a quick calculation. With 220,000 votes counted and 80% of the votes in, Lieberman will need about 56% of the remaining votes to pull ahead. Very doable depending on whether they are strongholds of his.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 7:14 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 7:14 PM on August 8, 2006
I'll be interested to see the town by town, but I'll wager Lieberman hasn't lead a single population center by that percentage.
posted by rollbiz at 7:16 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 7:16 PM on August 8, 2006
82.62% reporting in:
Lamont at 51.83%, Lieberman at 48.17%.
posted by EarBucket at 7:20 PM on August 8, 2006
Lamont at 51.83%, Lieberman at 48.17%.
posted by EarBucket at 7:20 PM on August 8, 2006
With 82.62 in Lieberman would now have to get 58.7% of the remainder.
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 7:20 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 7:20 PM on August 8, 2006
LIEBERMAN LOSES DEM PRIMARYAt least according to everyone's favorite website.
posted by sequential at 7:21 PM on August 8, 2006
Ha! The Reverend Jesse Jackson is at Lamont headquarters and he's speechifying to the local news reporter. She doesn't know how to deal with it.
posted by smackfu at 7:21 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by smackfu at 7:21 PM on August 8, 2006
Most everything is in except for Hartford and some of its suburbs. Bridgeport pulled 50/50, so if Hartford trends the same, it's a wrap.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 7:21 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 7:21 PM on August 8, 2006
This scenario is the worst of all world for Democrats, unfortunately. Prominent dems and donors will be more reluctant to support Lamont in the general, making the party look divided, and the race will inevitably suck up money that could be better spent elsewhere. Lieberman will be forced to tack right, leading him to criticize the party even more than he has been. And the inevitable media attention that will continue to follow this particular race will prevent the 2006 elections from being nationalized.
posted by gsteff at 7:22 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 7:22 PM on August 8, 2006
And I know nobody form out of state is watching the governor's primary, but wow that one is close.
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 7:22 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 7:22 PM on August 8, 2006
gsteff writes "And the inevitable media attention that will continue to follow this particular race will prevent the 2006 elections from being nationalized."
When the #1 issue in this race is the Iraq war? As I see it, a focus on Iraq (and away from immigration, gay marriage, and activist judges) can only help the dems.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:24 PM on August 8, 2006
When the #1 issue in this race is the Iraq war? As I see it, a focus on Iraq (and away from immigration, gay marriage, and activist judges) can only help the dems.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:24 PM on August 8, 2006
Jodi Rell will cream whichever one of them wins, so it's not been heavily reported on. I support Malloy over Destefano mostly because Malloy is slightly less likely to end up in jail by the end of his term.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 7:24 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 7:24 PM on August 8, 2006
Lamont continues to edge ahead ever so slightly as more votes come in. I think it's over.
posted by EarBucket at 7:24 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:24 PM on August 8, 2006
Wow Lazlo, you're not kidding...Malloy within 2k, he made up a lot of ground.
posted by rollbiz at 7:25 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 7:25 PM on August 8, 2006
Lazlo Hollyfeld, a pre-recorded Maloy called my house three times today to let me know that turnout was, in chronological order of the calls: "historically low", "very low", and "lower than expected". Oh, and he wanted me to vote for him.
posted by sequential at 7:28 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by sequential at 7:28 PM on August 8, 2006
he called me too... and I live in Arkansas...
talk about desperation...
posted by WhipSmart at 7:32 PM on August 8, 2006
talk about desperation...
posted by WhipSmart at 7:32 PM on August 8, 2006
OMG the Jesse Jackson interview was beautiful, by the way. It just aired on C-SPAN.
posted by rollbiz at 7:34 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 7:34 PM on August 8, 2006
thanks sequential.
if Lieberman loses tonight, everyone from Reid to Clinton (both of them) to Kennedy to Boxer to... will call him tomorrow and make him not run as an independent--he won't dare blow them all off--it'll kill his post-politics life leaving only Fox News. And it'll give him the opportunity to go out with dignity, instead of as a fool.
McKinney was purposely sacrificed--i heard none of the DC crowd gave her money or support at all.
posted by amberglow at 7:37 PM on August 8, 2006
if Lieberman loses tonight, everyone from Reid to Clinton (both of them) to Kennedy to Boxer to... will call him tomorrow and make him not run as an independent--he won't dare blow them all off--it'll kill his post-politics life leaving only Fox News. And it'll give him the opportunity to go out with dignity, instead of as a fool.
McKinney was purposely sacrificed--i heard none of the DC crowd gave her money or support at all.
posted by amberglow at 7:37 PM on August 8, 2006
Did they take a counting break at 84%? Seems like it's been a long time since the numbers changed.
posted by scottreynen at 7:41 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by scottreynen at 7:41 PM on August 8, 2006
scottreynen, there's been a few updates since 84%, but they've been small. We're at 87% or so now at The Courant, with Lamont gaining a few hundreths of a percent between 84% of precincts reporting and now.
posted by sequential at 7:44 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by sequential at 7:44 PM on August 8, 2006
Americablog seems to have the most recent numbers, and their server's a lot more resilient than some of these others.
posted by EarBucket at 7:44 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:44 PM on August 8, 2006
amberglow, are you predicting that Lieberman won't run as an independent? That's a bet I'd happily take. Regardless of whether its good for the party or not, he's going to. And besides, Schumer has already suggested that he'll support Lieberman's run. He might have changed his mind if Lamont won with a bigger margin, but at 3%, no way. I'm not happy about it either, but if you think Lieberman is dropping out, you're crazy.
posted by gsteff at 7:44 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 7:44 PM on August 8, 2006
Geez, now they have Al Sharpton in there. Lieberman's on "breath support". And Hilary "better keep jumping on Rumsfeld".
Guess they have to use something to fill their time... I think they're the only station that's doing TV coverage all night.
posted by smackfu at 7:47 PM on August 8, 2006
Guess they have to use something to fill their time... I think they're the only station that's doing TV coverage all night.
posted by smackfu at 7:47 PM on August 8, 2006
The turnout is ridiculous, it looks like 3 or 4 times the number that voted in the 2004 primary.
posted by empath at 7:49 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by empath at 7:49 PM on August 8, 2006
Huh. Supposedly, the only people left at Lieberman's headquarters are reporters. Must be lonely.
posted by EarBucket at 7:50 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:50 PM on August 8, 2006
"[Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey]... said that if Sen. Joe Lieberman loses his primary Tuesday by a significant margin, he expects the Connecticut lawmaker to abandon plans to run as an independent."
posted by ericb at 7:52 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 7:52 PM on August 8, 2006
I could definitely see Clinton asking Lieberman not to run. As for Schumer supporting Lieberman that just makes no sense at all. Where did you get that? It would be political suicide for Schumer here in New York.
posted by Skygazer at 7:52 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Skygazer at 7:52 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman may start a run as an independent but his money will dry up and the other Dems will start to abandon the ship. Sooner or later Dodd and Bubba and others will convince Joe to fall on his sword. Maybe even Clinton will go down for a nice photo op with Joe as he wuthdraws.
I'm really loving all this !!!
posted by bim at 7:53 PM on August 8, 2006
I'm really loving all this !!!
posted by bim at 7:53 PM on August 8, 2006
Poll: Lieberman Should Bow Out Entirely If He Loses Tuesday Primary
"...63 percent of those polled said they thought Lieberman should not run as an independent candidate if he loses the primary, as the senator has said he will. Only 24 percent said Lieberman should stay in the race if he can't win his party's nomination."posted by ericb at 7:54 PM on August 8, 2006
[The Day | New London | August 5, 2006]
The Courant is saying Lamont 51% and Leiberman 48% at 93.85% counted.
posted by octothorpe at 7:54 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by octothorpe at 7:54 PM on August 8, 2006
Time Magazine: Why the GOP May Not Be Able to Capitalize on a Lieberman Loss.
posted by ericb at 7:55 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 7:55 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman just had a two tenths of a percent jump in the last 2% of reported precincts. It's not over. 10%+ left to report and 8k votes separate the candidates.
Correction, latest update from The Courant:
Correction, latest update from The Courant:
posted by sequential at 7:55 PM on August 8, 2006702 of 748 Precincts Reporting - 93.85% Lamont, Ned, 134,942, 51.65% Lieberman, Joe, 126,330, 48.35%
Dailykos thread is down...Obviously, it is a nefarious act on the part of the Lieberman campaign.
posted by rollbiz at 7:56 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 7:56 PM on August 8, 2006
Support for an Independent Run Unlikely from Fellow Senate Democrats, Should Lieberman Lose.
posted by ericb at 7:56 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 7:56 PM on August 8, 2006
See here re: schumer and the DSCC on an independent run.
posted by gsteff at 7:57 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by gsteff at 7:57 PM on August 8, 2006
Dkos is a mess. The site barely moves. It's taking the edge off my enjoyment, dammit.
posted by bim at 7:58 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by bim at 7:58 PM on August 8, 2006
We're going to be breaking some news shortly on the Lieberman mystery site outage. Stay tunedSomething's stirring at talkingpointsmemo.
posted by icosahedral at 7:58 PM on August 8, 2006
By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, Lieberman needs 75% of the remaining votes to pull even.
posted by EarBucket at 7:59 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 7:59 PM on August 8, 2006
gsteff, I think a loss by Lieberman tonight will shake his campaign to the core. They never planned on losing, and the petitioning candidacy was calculated by his campaign to have no affect on his bid for reelection. That's amateurish at best and ignorant at worst. I don't know what Senator Lieberman will do if he were to lose, but for the sake of the opposition party, I'd hope Senator Lieberman's ego recognizes the problems an independent bid would cause for the party he claims to belongto.
Think of it, local Democrats choose a new person to represent them in an election. Certain national Democrats think the local Democrats are wrong. That's not an attitude you want to have with voters while your party is trying to take control of at least one branch of the government in this upcoming election. I expect more party unity than your dystopian view.
Senator Lieberman, politics aside, is a smart and pleasant person. When I heard him speak tonight, I could hear the stress and worry in his voice. The again, they drink some strong kool aid in DC.
posted by sequential at 7:59 PM on August 8, 2006
Think of it, local Democrats choose a new person to represent them in an election. Certain national Democrats think the local Democrats are wrong. That's not an attitude you want to have with voters while your party is trying to take control of at least one branch of the government in this upcoming election. I expect more party unity than your dystopian view.
Senator Lieberman, politics aside, is a smart and pleasant person. When I heard him speak tonight, I could hear the stress and worry in his voice. The again, they drink some strong kool aid in DC.
posted by sequential at 7:59 PM on August 8, 2006
Lamont pulled to almost 4% with 95.32% reporting, 3.84% to be exact.
posted by sequential at 8:02 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by sequential at 8:02 PM on August 8, 2006
51.92 @ 95.32%
posted by scottreynen at 8:02 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by scottreynen at 8:02 PM on August 8, 2006
Also... to weigh in, I don't think Lieberman will bow out if he loses this primary. Major Dems will blow their steam but the simple fact is that they aren't voters in CT. Bottom line, Joe can win a three way between now and November. It's unfortunate, but I do think it's true.
posted by rollbiz at 8:02 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 8:02 PM on August 8, 2006
Watching CT local news via C-Span. Joe is conceding the race.
posted by bardic at 8:04 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by bardic at 8:04 PM on August 8, 2006
WFSB just had coverage of the Lieberman HQ and he has just more or less conceded... he said he called Lamont and congratulated him...
posted by WhipSmart at 8:04 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by WhipSmart at 8:04 PM on August 8, 2006
"We just finished the first half and the Lamont team is ahead."
Unbelievable gall. Fuck you Joe, you ain't the Democratic nominee.
posted by bardic at 8:05 PM on August 8, 2006
Unbelievable gall. Fuck you Joe, you ain't the Democratic nominee.
posted by bardic at 8:05 PM on August 8, 2006
I agree that Lieberman's unlikely to bow out. I think the Democratic machine's going to have to swing behind Lamont, though, and that's going to hurt Joe's chances. It'll be an interesting race.
posted by EarBucket at 8:05 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by EarBucket at 8:05 PM on August 8, 2006
Oh man. Fuck Joe Lieberman.
posted by icosahedral at 8:06 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by icosahedral at 8:06 PM on August 8, 2006
"For the sake of my country I cannot let that result stand."
Wow, so he's going to save Democracy by telling his party to go fuck itself.
Clinton(s), Schumers, Dodds--support this man at your own risk.
Now he's saying he's going to "unite, not divide." By running a rogue candidacy.
posted by bardic at 8:07 PM on August 8, 2006
Wow, so he's going to save Democracy by telling his party to go fuck itself.
Clinton(s), Schumers, Dodds--support this man at your own risk.
Now he's saying he's going to "unite, not divide." By running a rogue candidacy.
posted by bardic at 8:07 PM on August 8, 2006
"We just finished the first half and the Lamont team is ahead."That respect I had for Senator Lieberman a few posts back? Gone.
posted by sequential at 8:07 PM on August 8, 2006
"For the sake of my country I cannot let that result stand."
Wow, so he's going to save Democracy by telling his party to go fuck itself.
Clinton(s), Schumers, Dodds--support this man at your own risk.
Now he's saying he's going to "unite, not divide." By running a rogue candidacy.
posted by bardic at 8:08 PM on August 8, 2006
Wow, so he's going to save Democracy by telling his party to go fuck itself.
Clinton(s), Schumers, Dodds--support this man at your own risk.
Now he's saying he's going to "unite, not divide." By running a rogue candidacy.
posted by bardic at 8:08 PM on August 8, 2006
Wow. He's a world class prick even after his spanking. Time to bring out the heavy weapons.
posted by rollbiz at 8:08 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 8:08 PM on August 8, 2006
Joe is confirming his run as an independent... and then he talks about unity while flipping off his own party... class, man...
posted by WhipSmart at 8:09 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by WhipSmart at 8:09 PM on August 8, 2006
I'm watching Joe on CSPAN. Wow, what an egotistical bastard. He's saying F you all, I'm running anyway. An independent Democrat? WTF.
posted by octothorpe at 8:10 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by octothorpe at 8:10 PM on August 8, 2006
An Independent Democrat? He has some nerve using the name of the party that just told him that they don't want him as their candidate.
posted by MegoSteve at 8:10 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by MegoSteve at 8:10 PM on August 8, 2006
"For the sake of my country I cannot let that result stand."
Hi, December 12, 2000 called. It was wondering where that sound bite went.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 8:10 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
Hi, December 12, 2000 called. It was wondering where that sound bite went.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 8:10 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
Anyone got one of those SORE LOSERMAN signs from a few years back? Now's the time to put it up on eBay.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
Now he's saying he's going to "unite, not divide." By running a rogue candidacy.That sounds so familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
*think think think*
posted by sequential at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006
Strip him of all committee seats now. By his own admission, he's no longer a Dem.
Ah, money-shot--just referred to himself as "an independent Democrat."
Fuck him and any Democrat who supports him. The rat bastard.
Oh, and congratulations Ned!
posted by bardic at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006
Ah, money-shot--just referred to himself as "an independent Democrat."
Fuck him and any Democrat who supports him. The rat bastard.
Oh, and congratulations Ned!
posted by bardic at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006
Who's this Liberman fellow? Is he someone I would need an internet connection to have heard of?
posted by Balisong at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Balisong at 8:11 PM on August 8, 2006
And what makes him think that he'd be able to solve anyone's problems as an independent unaffiliated minority. What a lying sack of shit.
posted by MegoSteve at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by MegoSteve at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
"You an go to my website, when it is un-hacked" what a bazen ass.
posted by orthogonality at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by orthogonality at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Disclaimer: I supported Lamont in this primary and will support him in the general.
They never planned on losing, and the petitioning candidacy was calculated by his campaign to have no affect on his bid for reelection.
They obviously did have a plan for him losing; that's why they collected petitions. As for the calculations, they're now irrelevent, he lost the primary. But its very easy to see how Lieberman could calculate that he'll win a 3 way. There are more indepdents in Conneticut than registered Democrats or Republicans, and independents can't vote in the Democratic primary. Lieberman probably figures that he'll win a big chunk of the Democrats, and almost all the independents. I haven't seen a 3 way poll in months, but the last one I saw showed Lieberman winning by a HUGE margin, bigger than any lead he ever had in the Dem primary. Lieberman will stay in as an independent, and his odds are still quite good.
posted by gsteff at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
They never planned on losing, and the petitioning candidacy was calculated by his campaign to have no affect on his bid for reelection.
They obviously did have a plan for him losing; that's why they collected petitions. As for the calculations, they're now irrelevent, he lost the primary. But its very easy to see how Lieberman could calculate that he'll win a 3 way. There are more indepdents in Conneticut than registered Democrats or Republicans, and independents can't vote in the Democratic primary. Lieberman probably figures that he'll win a big chunk of the Democrats, and almost all the independents. I haven't seen a 3 way poll in months, but the last one I saw showed Lieberman winning by a HUGE margin, bigger than any lead he ever had in the Dem primary. Lieberman will stay in as an independent, and his odds are still quite good.
posted by gsteff at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
He just said to go to his website "when it is unhacked."
God, I'm glad I don't live in CT. Because I would have just vomited everywhere.
posted by sugarfish at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
God, I'm glad I don't live in CT. Because I would have just vomited everywhere.
posted by sugarfish at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Wow, just invited people to his website "when it is un-hacked."
Fucking weasel.
posted by bardic at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Fucking weasel.
posted by bardic at 8:12 PM on August 8, 2006
When it is unhacked?! You paid for substandard hosting. The tubes of the internets aren't free, y'know.
posted by icosahedral at 8:13 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by icosahedral at 8:13 PM on August 8, 2006
Unhack my tubes!
posted by The Bellman at 8:14 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by The Bellman at 8:14 PM on August 8, 2006
Stay tuned for the good part. Lamont to speak at 1120 by all accounts.
posted by rollbiz at 8:16 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by rollbiz at 8:16 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman's going to get a lot of Republican support, y'all, especially given the problems of the Republican nominee in that Time link ericb posted:
At the Republican National Committee meeting in Minneapolis last week, there was talk of how the Democratic split might be exploited. Says one GOP strategist who was at the Minneapolis meetings: "If Lieberman loses the primary and runs as an independent, there are people in Republican circles who want to raise money for him because they agree with him. Then the question is how much acrimony is left over from his excommunication."
posted by mediareport at 8:16 PM on August 8, 2006
At the Republican National Committee meeting in Minneapolis last week, there was talk of how the Democratic split might be exploited. Says one GOP strategist who was at the Minneapolis meetings: "If Lieberman loses the primary and runs as an independent, there are people in Republican circles who want to raise money for him because they agree with him. Then the question is how much acrimony is left over from his excommunication."
posted by mediareport at 8:16 PM on August 8, 2006
It's not exactly like Connecticut's a red state though.
posted by smackfu at 8:18 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by smackfu at 8:18 PM on August 8, 2006
For contrast, Gen. JC Christian was blogging from the Lieberman headquarters.
posted by ryoshu at 8:18 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ryoshu at 8:18 PM on August 8, 2006
There are more indepdents in Conneticut [sic] than registered Democrats or Republicans...
True. "Connecticut has 671,656 Democrats, 449,727 Republicans and 844,433 other registered voters..."
posted by ericb at 8:20 PM on August 8, 2006
True. "Connecticut has 671,656 Democrats, 449,727 Republicans and 844,433 other registered voters..."
posted by ericb at 8:20 PM on August 8, 2006
By the way, everyone, this is not a "three way race." Alan Schlesinger has a gambling problem, has been disavowed by the state Republican establishment, and is polling at something like 8%. The general will be a repeat of Lieberman/Lamont with an influx of Republicans who pretty much agree with Joe on most every issue. Chris Shays actually endorsed Joe a while back.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 8:20 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 8:20 PM on August 8, 2006
Hey Joe, I hear you lost the primary. It must suck, but hey, there's a big market for imitating the guy from Alf what with viral advertising and all. Have fun.
posted by moonbird at 8:20 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by moonbird at 8:20 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman's going to get a lot of Republican support
Gallup Poll: Lieberman Now More Popular With Republicans Than Democrats.
posted by ericb at 8:22 PM on August 8, 2006
Gallup Poll: Lieberman Now More Popular With Republicans Than Democrats.
posted by ericb at 8:22 PM on August 8, 2006
Joe is willing to risk his party's chances for his own giant ego. "Unite not divide"? Is he intentionally cribbing from Bush's playbook or has it just pervaded his subconscious?
It's not so much Joe's support for the war that bothers me (though it does), it's that he believes in "bipartisanship." This is like bringing a knife to a gunfight, then handing the knife to your opponent. When has this administration compromised, Joe? When they stole your homeland security department idea and then used it to bludgeon you? When they didn't even pretend to listen to your small criticisms of how the war has been prosecuted?
Joe has been in deep denial about the politics of this country for some time, even though he saw exactly how the adminstration would act when they bullied their way into the White House.
And now he's willing to sacrifice a crucial seat to the indignation he feels at being challenged. Disgraceful. Perhaps the worst concession speech I've ever seen. Watch closely--I think the Joementum will disappear as major party figures extract their support for him. He might just get the Republican elected, though, if the cards are right.
posted by lackutrol at 8:25 PM on August 8, 2006
It's not so much Joe's support for the war that bothers me (though it does), it's that he believes in "bipartisanship." This is like bringing a knife to a gunfight, then handing the knife to your opponent. When has this administration compromised, Joe? When they stole your homeland security department idea and then used it to bludgeon you? When they didn't even pretend to listen to your small criticisms of how the war has been prosecuted?
Joe has been in deep denial about the politics of this country for some time, even though he saw exactly how the adminstration would act when they bullied their way into the White House.
And now he's willing to sacrifice a crucial seat to the indignation he feels at being challenged. Disgraceful. Perhaps the worst concession speech I've ever seen. Watch closely--I think the Joementum will disappear as major party figures extract their support for him. He might just get the Republican elected, though, if the cards are right.
posted by lackutrol at 8:25 PM on August 8, 2006
I am so pleased with my paltry $25 investment.
Good Bye, Joe.
posted by madamjujujive at 8:27 PM on August 8, 2006
Good Bye, Joe.
posted by madamjujujive at 8:27 PM on August 8, 2006
Leave it to Fuckin' Joe Lieberman to once again help the Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
posted by MegoSteve at 8:30 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by MegoSteve at 8:30 PM on August 8, 2006
Whoa, whoops, I hadn't heard much about Alan Schlesinger until I posted and saw the link to the Wikipedia page. Serves me right for recoiling in disgust from politics for the past year and a half or so. The guy stands little chance I guess, so I retract my last sentence, but none of the rest.
posted by lackutrol at 8:33 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by lackutrol at 8:33 PM on August 8, 2006
Liberman is a rat but both parties are splitting apart at the seams, not just the Dems in this primary. The schism the Republicans are facing nation wide is much more profound. It will be a while before this game of musical chairs ends and we see who is sitting where.
posted by chance at 8:34 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by chance at 8:34 PM on August 8, 2006
I'll be interested to see how the DNC and DSCC position themselves in this race. It's sure to be awkward whatever they do.
posted by scottreynen at 8:34 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by scottreynen at 8:34 PM on August 8, 2006
For weeks, over and over he says "I'm a good Democrat. I'm not Bush." and now he's saying "Republicans love me, so they'll vote for me but i'll still be a Democrat"??? Bullshit.
He's all about himself, and is just a sad neocon. It's pathetic that CNN is still calling him a moderate Dem--he hasn't been that for years. Moderate Dems aren't recommended by Kristol and other rightwingers for Administration positions. Moderate Dems don't tell other Dems to shut up and not criticize the President. ...
Already his phone is ringing and everyone is telling him not to do this--he'll be hanging himself if he does. I bet he doesn't--this is now his last chance to go out with a shred of dignity left instead of as a useful fool for the GOP.
posted by amberglow at 8:41 PM on August 8, 2006
He's all about himself, and is just a sad neocon. It's pathetic that CNN is still calling him a moderate Dem--he hasn't been that for years. Moderate Dems aren't recommended by Kristol and other rightwingers for Administration positions. Moderate Dems don't tell other Dems to shut up and not criticize the President. ...
Already his phone is ringing and everyone is telling him not to do this--he'll be hanging himself if he does. I bet he doesn't--this is now his last chance to go out with a shred of dignity left instead of as a useful fool for the GOP.
posted by amberglow at 8:41 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman's already in the Senate club, so it's possible the DSCC will rally 'round one of their own. The DNC will probably stick with Lamont; either way, it's a pretty safe seat for someone who'd vote for Harry Reid for majority leader if the Dems take the Senate, so it's hard to imagine either group spending much extra money there.
posted by mediareport at 8:41 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by mediareport at 8:41 PM on August 8, 2006
the Clintons, Schumer, Emanuel, Reid, Boxer, Feinstein--everyone is calling him as we type here, telling him to shut up and go home. His life after politics will be empty--except for Fox News-- if he persists in this.
posted by amberglow at 8:45 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 8:45 PM on August 8, 2006
Speaking as someone who is fed up with both the Republican and Democratic parties, I hope Lieberman wins the general election. Screw party loyalty, I want politicians who are loyal to the people they represent and their own convictions. Either party will sell us down the road if they think it will increase their own power base and I find that damn frightening.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and see more politicians from both parties abandon their party and actually care more about their constituents than their political affiliation.
posted by buggzzee23 at 8:46 PM on August 8, 2006
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and see more politicians from both parties abandon their party and actually care more about their constituents than their political affiliation.
posted by buggzzee23 at 8:46 PM on August 8, 2006
they can't rally around him, mediareport--even the big money donors will not stand for it--and many millions of us will just go ahead and target all the Senators involved in an asinine decision like that would be. Lieberman will be seen as preventing the possible majority in 06--that will not be allowed to happen. If he runs as an Independent he won't count toward a majority, no matter what bullshit he spouts.
posted by amberglow at 8:47 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 8:47 PM on August 8, 2006
buggzzee23, that's just it---Lieberman has betrayed those who voted for him over and over. He's not at all loyal to the Democrats in CT nor to the people in CT.
posted by amberglow at 8:48 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 8:48 PM on August 8, 2006
I bet he doesn't--this is now his last chance to go out with a shred of dignity left instead of as a useful fool for the GOP.
Wrong. This is his last chance to be a four term Senator instead of a three term one. And, if he actually believes that he's helping the country and the party, as he does, this is his last chance to save both from the cesspool of unbridled partisanship. Not saying that I agree, just that your analysis is dumb.
Right now, everything depends on the polling. The DSCC will equivocate for a few days until they can get a flash poll of the three way results. If Lieberman still has a big lead, they'll say nice things about Lamont, but won't give him money. If its closer, you'll see more pressure on him. As I mentioned above, the biggest danger in this result isn't that the Dems will lose the seat, its that Lieberman will be forced to tack right for the rest of campaign in order to win, and will undermine other Dems nationwide in the process.
posted by gsteff at 8:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Wrong. This is his last chance to be a four term Senator instead of a three term one. And, if he actually believes that he's helping the country and the party, as he does, this is his last chance to save both from the cesspool of unbridled partisanship. Not saying that I agree, just that your analysis is dumb.
Right now, everything depends on the polling. The DSCC will equivocate for a few days until they can get a flash poll of the three way results. If Lieberman still has a big lead, they'll say nice things about Lamont, but won't give him money. If its closer, you'll see more pressure on him. As I mentioned above, the biggest danger in this result isn't that the Dems will lose the seat, its that Lieberman will be forced to tack right for the rest of campaign in order to win, and will undermine other Dems nationwide in the process.
posted by gsteff at 8:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Independent Senators don't get Chairmanships of Committees nor do they get any good assignments and are powerless except to break ties--he's consigning himself to nothingness after crowing about the power he'd have returning as a Dem.
posted by amberglow at 8:50 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 8:50 PM on August 8, 2006
I think it's just pure fuckin' bravado. Clinton stumped for him and Clinton is going to cash those chips in. I just can't see any democrat with a smidgen of political intelligence going anywhere near him. Dodd, Schumer etc. Joe played the game and he knows how it works and it's time for him to politically do what the Romans generals did when they'd dishonored themselves. I think he'll get a visit from Tom Hagen soon.
posted by Skygazer at 8:52 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by Skygazer at 8:52 PM on August 8, 2006
Independent Senators don't get Chairmanships of Committees nor do they get any good assignments and are powerless except to break ties
Oh really?
posted by gsteff at 8:53 PM on August 8, 2006
Oh really?
posted by gsteff at 8:53 PM on August 8, 2006
What Joe (and you) don't get is that Democracy is not about the person in the seat but about the voters and what they choose and who they choose. Him being a four-term Senator is not up to him at all. Running as an Independent does not help the Democratic Party at all and he knows it. It helps Joe alone. They work for us. They serve at our will, and the primary voters showed their will tonight. Let him go on with this--let him make his friends choose, and let the chips fall where they may--they won't be falling on his side.
Democracy and voting either matters or it doesn't--it doesn't matter only when and if you lose, and then you go off as an Independent.
posted by amberglow at 8:53 PM on August 8, 2006
Democracy and voting either matters or it doesn't--it doesn't matter only when and if you lose, and then you go off as an Independent.
posted by amberglow at 8:53 PM on August 8, 2006
The only people who claim the Democratic party is "coming apart at the seams" are Republicans. Seriously, look at who's been lamenting the possibility of a Lamont victory--Ann Coulter and Bill F'ing Kristol, that's who.
There are plenty of moderate Dems involved in tightish races this November--don't expect Republicans to back any of them.
Lieberman was their ultimate useful idiot. He still has a shot at winning as an Independent, unfortunately, but he's going to have to do so as the obvious opportunist that he is. He's already floated a trial ballon--"I'm an independent Democrat." O RLY? Unlike the other 28 Democratic Senators who voted for the war and yet have managed to remain members of the Democratic party? Unbelievable. And highly amusing.
64K$?: Will and/or when will he be stripped of his committee seats? Because that'll hurt.
64K$? Part 2: What's Hillary drinking right now, and can I have some? Because she's been paddling hard to the right for the last three years in her own version of "Joementum," and this is a shot across her bow for 2008.
I was following this live blog tonight--great stuff, including pictures. Final quotation: "We're all quite mad here. We're ready for another battle. We're ready to take our fight to the people of CT again to show Joe the door one last time. Everyone call their representatives tomorrow and tell them to support Ned Lamont."
posted by bardic at 8:55 PM on August 8, 2006
There are plenty of moderate Dems involved in tightish races this November--don't expect Republicans to back any of them.
Lieberman was their ultimate useful idiot. He still has a shot at winning as an Independent, unfortunately, but he's going to have to do so as the obvious opportunist that he is. He's already floated a trial ballon--"I'm an independent Democrat." O RLY? Unlike the other 28 Democratic Senators who voted for the war and yet have managed to remain members of the Democratic party? Unbelievable. And highly amusing.
64K$?: Will and/or when will he be stripped of his committee seats? Because that'll hurt.
64K$? Part 2: What's Hillary drinking right now, and can I have some? Because she's been paddling hard to the right for the last three years in her own version of "Joementum," and this is a shot across her bow for 2008.
I was following this live blog tonight--great stuff, including pictures. Final quotation: "We're all quite mad here. We're ready for another battle. We're ready to take our fight to the people of CT again to show Joe the door one last time. Everyone call their representatives tomorrow and tell them to support Ned Lamont."
posted by bardic at 8:55 PM on August 8, 2006
buggzzee23, that's just it---Lieberman has betrayed those who voted for him over and over. He's not at all loyal to the Democrats in CT nor to the people in CT.
posted by amberglow
You're on the money about him not being loyal to the party, amberglow, but the jury is still out (IMO) as to whether he represented the people of CT faithfully. One could assume a victory in the general election by Lieberman would mean a majority of the voters in that state agree with his positions. And of course a defeat in the general election would demonstrate he failed at conveying the will of CT's people. Either way, this is going to be a fun campaign to sit back and watch from 3,000 miles away.
posted by buggzzee23 at 8:56 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow
You're on the money about him not being loyal to the party, amberglow, but the jury is still out (IMO) as to whether he represented the people of CT faithfully. One could assume a victory in the general election by Lieberman would mean a majority of the voters in that state agree with his positions. And of course a defeat in the general election would demonstrate he failed at conveying the will of CT's people. Either way, this is going to be a fun campaign to sit back and watch from 3,000 miles away.
posted by buggzzee23 at 8:56 PM on August 8, 2006
Jeffords won't happen to Lieberman, believe me. And Jeffords was a unique case. That kind of deal will be impossible if Lieberman runs as an Independent--he will have hurt the party and stabbed his friends in the back, not to mention sending a giant "FUCK YOU" to the primary voters of his state who made their choice tonight.
posted by amberglow at 8:56 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 8:56 PM on August 8, 2006
buggzzee23,
I want politicians who are loyal to the people they represent and their own convictions.
The people he is supposed to represent, the people of Connecticut, just fucking voted him out of the primary.
Now Joe's loyalty is only to himself. The prick.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 8:57 PM on August 8, 2006
I want politicians who are loyal to the people they represent and their own convictions.
The people he is supposed to represent, the people of Connecticut, just fucking voted him out of the primary.
Now Joe's loyalty is only to himself. The prick.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 8:57 PM on August 8, 2006
Contact info for Harry Reid--let him know that Lieberman needs to be stripped of all committee appointments now.
posted by bardic at 8:58 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by bardic at 8:58 PM on August 8, 2006
And if Schumer doesn't immediately stand for Lamont he'll be facing a challenge too. All of them will be, especially those in charge of getting a Congressional Majority.
posted by amberglow at 8:58 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 8:58 PM on August 8, 2006
I want politicians who are loyal to the people they represent and their own convictions.
Roffle. In 2000, Joe was up for re-election in Connecticut. After Gore picked him as his running mate, Joe refused to quit the Senate race, essentially staying on both ballots. The effect would have been, had Joe become VP, Connecticut's Republican governor would have appointed an interim replacement, effectively shifting the balance of power in the Senate away from the Dems and frustrating the legislative agenda of the incoming Gore administration. But by staying on the Senate ballot, Joe was assured that he would keep his political career afloat. How exactly is running for positions in two branches of government at the same time loyal to the people of his state? After all, it hardly takes the political acumen of Joe Lieberman to beat a Republican challenger who purchases the sexual services of 8 year old girls. Joe's been looking out for himself, and nobody else, since his defeating Lowell Weicker in 1988.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 9:02 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
Roffle. In 2000, Joe was up for re-election in Connecticut. After Gore picked him as his running mate, Joe refused to quit the Senate race, essentially staying on both ballots. The effect would have been, had Joe become VP, Connecticut's Republican governor would have appointed an interim replacement, effectively shifting the balance of power in the Senate away from the Dems and frustrating the legislative agenda of the incoming Gore administration. But by staying on the Senate ballot, Joe was assured that he would keep his political career afloat. How exactly is running for positions in two branches of government at the same time loyal to the people of his state? After all, it hardly takes the political acumen of Joe Lieberman to beat a Republican challenger who purchases the sexual services of 8 year old girls. Joe's been looking out for himself, and nobody else, since his defeating Lowell Weicker in 1988.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 9:02 PM on August 8, 2006 [1 favorite]
It is my sincere hope that everyday Americans, the ones who normally do not vote, get out there and put the boot to every self-serving discompassionate toad that holds power of office.
This is the year to enact sweeping changes. Elect people who have honour and compassion.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
This is the year to enact sweeping changes. Elect people who have honour and compassion.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
I'm interested to see what the next three way poll results look like. The last poll is a couple of weeks old now.
posted by smackfu at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by smackfu at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
MetaFilter: Probably hacked by Lamont.
posted by homunculus at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by homunculus at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
The people he is supposed to represent, the people of Connecticut, just fucking voted him out of the primary. posted by mr.curmudgeon
No, only one segment (those registered to vote as Democrats) of the CT people voted him out of the primary. The entire group of CT voters will pass judgement iin the general election.
posted by buggzzee23 at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
No, only one segment (those registered to vote as Democrats) of the CT people voted him out of the primary. The entire group of CT voters will pass judgement iin the general election.
posted by buggzzee23 at 9:03 PM on August 8, 2006
I want politicians who are loyal to the people they represent
Well then you definitely don't want Lieberman.
posted by the_savage_mind at 9:05 PM on August 8, 2006
Well then you definitely don't want Lieberman.
posted by the_savage_mind at 9:05 PM on August 8, 2006
what Saucy Intruder said. Joe is for Joe alone, which is why the party will not support this Independent bid.
If the GOP wants to bankroll it (and i bet they do--they love him), then that fact will be made loudly and clearly known to all. Even our pathetic media won't be able to keep calling him a "moderate Democrat" when he's funded entirely by the rightwing. He won't get money from the Democratic Party.
posted by amberglow at 9:07 PM on August 8, 2006
If the GOP wants to bankroll it (and i bet they do--they love him), then that fact will be made loudly and clearly known to all. Even our pathetic media won't be able to keep calling him a "moderate Democrat" when he's funded entirely by the rightwing. He won't get money from the Democratic Party.
posted by amberglow at 9:07 PM on August 8, 2006
the last one I saw showed Lieberman winning by a HUGE margin, bigger than any lead he ever had in the Dem primary.You're referring to this poll which was three weeks ago. Since then, Lieberman lost the primary and then told Democrats in Connecticut that he was going to unite them by running, moments after the same Democrats told him they didn't want him to represent them. If Lieberman wins, he's winning on the strength of the Bush conservatives. And that's a base I'm not certain I'd want to count on in this next election cycle.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky and see more politicians from both parties abandon their party and actually care more about their constituents than their political affiliation.What leads you to believe that Senator Lieberman actually cares about his constituents more now that he's been rejected by the constituents of the party that helped him to power in the last three elections? That's right: nothing. Any politician that abandons their party via a primary loss, but stays in the game could care less about the people they represent. The only thing Senator Lieberman cares about is staying in power. If Gerstein, Smith, and Lieberman think they can win by courting Republicans after 18 years of being a Democrat, and maintain the party loyalty of enough Democrats and independents to win then I hope their ready to spend a fortune on a losing cause. Read this very carefully.
this is his last chance to save both from the cesspool of unbridled partisanship.Enabling whomever is in power is not bipartisanship, unless we're not talking about democracy here. I hate partisanship as much as, if not more than, most people, but I'm honest enough with myself to see that there hasn't been a sincere bipartisan politician in a long time. I've long held that term limits of two terms or less, preferably less, would lead to better representation and less cesspool.
its that Lieberman will be forced to tack right for the rest of campaign in order to win, and will undermine other Dems nationwide in the process.Lieberman can't tack much further right on a number of important issues. Furthermore, Lieberman can't harm the party that just rejected him. We'll leave that job up to the DCCC and other Dems that supported him during the primary.
We're all waiting on a few weeks of news and polls to establish some trends, but don't be shocked to see that dead cats don't bounce very well.
For what it's worth, gsteff, you're a bright bulb. Thanks for getting into it with us tonight. You've kept us honest, no matter who ends up being right.
posted by sequential at 9:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Evan Bayh (who wants to be Pres in 08) comes out for Lamont: ...That decision was met with squeamishness among many within the party establishment who had signaled that they would not support an independent bid by Lieberman. Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh -- who, like Lieberman, has close ties to moderates within the party but is considering a 2008 presidential bid -- quickly announced he would support Lamont.
"Senator Bayh supported Senator Lieberman in the primary because of his respect for Senator Lieberman's service and their long friendship," said Bayh spokesman Dan Pfeiffer. "The Democratic voters of Connecticut have spoken, and Senator Bayh respects their choice and will support their nominee."
Expect many more announcements like Bayh's over the next day or two. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) will speak about the race tomorrow. ...
posted by amberglow at 9:12 PM on August 8, 2006
"Senator Bayh supported Senator Lieberman in the primary because of his respect for Senator Lieberman's service and their long friendship," said Bayh spokesman Dan Pfeiffer. "The Democratic voters of Connecticut have spoken, and Senator Bayh respects their choice and will support their nominee."
Expect many more announcements like Bayh's over the next day or two. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) will speak about the race tomorrow. ...
posted by amberglow at 9:12 PM on August 8, 2006
Apologies, amberglow. I don't mean to be condescending. I wish Lieberman would drop out too, though my main reason is that a 3-way will hurt the Democrats nationally. It is disloyal to the party. But ultimately, Lieberman has as much of a right to run for public office as any of us. If the wrong people get elected, the real blame lies with the voters, not the politicians.
Anyway, I hope he gets stripped of his committee positions and gets blackballed by the establishment. I'll be calling some Senators myself tomorrow to support this. Just don't kid yourself that the odds are in Lamont's favor.
posted by gsteff at 9:14 PM on August 8, 2006
Anyway, I hope he gets stripped of his committee positions and gets blackballed by the establishment. I'll be calling some Senators myself tomorrow to support this. Just don't kid yourself that the odds are in Lamont's favor.
posted by gsteff at 9:14 PM on August 8, 2006
Ned Lamont has won the race, I am curious why new news is reported
posted by longsleeves at 9:18 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by longsleeves at 9:18 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman earlier today: "George Bush ain't on the ballot," said Lieberman. "It's me and the other guy."
They picked the other guy, Joe. Go home.
With Joe stabbing what he calls "his party" in the back by running, gsteff, it is a much tighter race, of course. I'm confident he'll only be able to do that tho, with GOP help--tomorrow Reid and Schumer will publicly announce that he'll get no support (and hopefully that he's losing all power within the party).
posted by amberglow at 9:20 PM on August 8, 2006
They picked the other guy, Joe. Go home.
With Joe stabbing what he calls "his party" in the back by running, gsteff, it is a much tighter race, of course. I'm confident he'll only be able to do that tho, with GOP help--tomorrow Reid and Schumer will publicly announce that he'll get no support (and hopefully that he's losing all power within the party).
posted by amberglow at 9:20 PM on August 8, 2006
I just got a Lamont email:
We won!
There's been a lot said in the media about you, about me and about this race. But let me cut right through it and tell you what just happened.
Tonight's results show clearly and overwhelmingly one simple fact: democracy works. Connecticut came alive with participation and passion. Together, Democrats decided that it's time for a change.
It's been a spirited campaign, but today we are all Democrats.
Unfortunately, though, Joe Lieberman has announced his intention to run as an independent.
I've said from the beginning, even when Joe Lieberman had a 50-point lead in the polls, that I would respect the outcome of this race. I even said that if Joe Lieberman won the Democratic nomination, I'd campaign for him through the fall to turn out votes for the Democrat.
We Democrats have a process for choosing our nominee, and we all ought to respect the outcome. I hope that over the course of the coming days, Joe's friends, neighbors and constituents will prevail upon him to reconsider and unite with the Democrats across Connecticut who voted for change tonight.
Joe needs to hear from you. Please send him a message asking him to respect the voters -- we will deliver your note and post it on our web site:
http://www.nedlamont.com/respectvoters
(i gave 5 bucks towards his race so now am on his list) : >
posted by amberglow at 9:23 PM on August 8, 2006
We won!
There's been a lot said in the media about you, about me and about this race. But let me cut right through it and tell you what just happened.
Tonight's results show clearly and overwhelmingly one simple fact: democracy works. Connecticut came alive with participation and passion. Together, Democrats decided that it's time for a change.
It's been a spirited campaign, but today we are all Democrats.
Unfortunately, though, Joe Lieberman has announced his intention to run as an independent.
I've said from the beginning, even when Joe Lieberman had a 50-point lead in the polls, that I would respect the outcome of this race. I even said that if Joe Lieberman won the Democratic nomination, I'd campaign for him through the fall to turn out votes for the Democrat.
We Democrats have a process for choosing our nominee, and we all ought to respect the outcome. I hope that over the course of the coming days, Joe's friends, neighbors and constituents will prevail upon him to reconsider and unite with the Democrats across Connecticut who voted for change tonight.
Joe needs to hear from you. Please send him a message asking him to respect the voters -- we will deliver your note and post it on our web site:
http://www.nedlamont.com/respectvoters
(i gave 5 bucks towards his race so now am on his list) : >
posted by amberglow at 9:23 PM on August 8, 2006
tomorrow Reid and Schumer will publicly announce that he'll get no support (and hopefully that he's losing all power within the party).
If they don't, I'm done with the Democrats. I will not support a party that refuses to support itself.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 9:23 PM on August 8, 2006
If they don't, I'm done with the Democrats. I will not support a party that refuses to support itself.
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 9:23 PM on August 8, 2006
if they don't, i'm done too, but right after i ensure that Spitzer gets to be Governor here.
posted by amberglow at 9:26 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 9:26 PM on August 8, 2006
If he runs as an Independent he won't count toward a majority, no matter what bullshit he spouts.
I understand you don't like him, amberglow (I think he's a despicable politician myself), but the above just seems silly. There are a number of plausible scenarios as of tonight in which Lieberman and the DSCC/big money donors could make a deal, trading Lieberman's vote for Reid (*if* the Dems win the Senate, which seems very unlikely to me) for a relatively neutral DSCC stance during the general election.
Not saying it'll happen that way, just that your comments are shading a bit too much into wishful thinking masquerading as certainty. For my taste at this point, anyway.
posted by mediareport at 9:27 PM on August 8, 2006
I understand you don't like him, amberglow (I think he's a despicable politician myself), but the above just seems silly. There are a number of plausible scenarios as of tonight in which Lieberman and the DSCC/big money donors could make a deal, trading Lieberman's vote for Reid (*if* the Dems win the Senate, which seems very unlikely to me) for a relatively neutral DSCC stance during the general election.
Not saying it'll happen that way, just that your comments are shading a bit too much into wishful thinking masquerading as certainty. For my taste at this point, anyway.
posted by mediareport at 9:27 PM on August 8, 2006
smooth finish. sorry.
posted by longsleeves at 9:30 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by longsleeves at 9:30 PM on August 8, 2006
Amberglow, Schumer's hardly a Lieberman. He will stand with Lamont, as will all other Senate Democrats. Whether that amounts to more than lip service will depend on the polls.
In any case I cannot imagine the party openly backing the guy that lost the primary.
posted by lackutrol at 9:30 PM on August 8, 2006
In any case I cannot imagine the party openly backing the guy that lost the primary.
posted by lackutrol at 9:30 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman will probably pull an increasingly-common Canuck move: Do a 180° and change parties. He could probably win quite nicely running as a Republican.
One of our asswipes (fucking David Emerson, fuck him with razorblades twice over) even did it after being elected!
posted by five fresh fish at 9:32 PM on August 8, 2006
One of our asswipes (fucking David Emerson, fuck him with razorblades twice over) even did it after being elected!
posted by five fresh fish at 9:32 PM on August 8, 2006
Technically, it's too late for Lieberman to run as the official Republican candidate. Of course, he's tacking towards a de facto Republican candidacy. In a state as blue as CT, any Democratic resources spent on Lamont will be matched by an influx of Republican money overtly, and I suspect some sort of Jomentified "unity" non-profit being formed.
I'll be really upset if the Democratic party doesn't get behind Lamont not just nominally, but in terms of cash. Joe has a hell of a machine in place and it won't be easy for Lamont. But it won't be "wasted"--the Republicans are facing some pretty harsh financial situations themselves.
posted by bardic at 9:37 PM on August 8, 2006
I'll be really upset if the Democratic party doesn't get behind Lamont not just nominally, but in terms of cash. Joe has a hell of a machine in place and it won't be easy for Lamont. But it won't be "wasted"--the Republicans are facing some pretty harsh financial situations themselves.
posted by bardic at 9:37 PM on August 8, 2006
Anyone got one of those SORE LOSERMAN signs from a few years back?
posted by ericb at 9:42 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by ericb at 9:42 PM on August 8, 2006
amberglow: As for Schumer supporting Lieberman that just makes no sense at all. Where did you get that? It would be political suicide for Schumer here in New York.
Do we know anything about his challenger? Is it worth it?
bardic: 64K$? Part 2: What's Hillary drinking right now, and can I have some? Because she's been paddling hard to the right for the last three years in her own version of "Joementum," and this is a shot across her bow for 2008.
Good to see you back, bardic. Hillary's sitting pretty on her re-election, and doesn't have to test the waters for a while yet, so I don't know. Still, New Hampshire might be a lost cause.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Do we know anything about his challenger? Is it worth it?
bardic: 64K$? Part 2: What's Hillary drinking right now, and can I have some? Because she's been paddling hard to the right for the last three years in her own version of "Joementum," and this is a shot across her bow for 2008.
Good to see you back, bardic. Hillary's sitting pretty on her re-election, and doesn't have to test the waters for a while yet, so I don't know. Still, New Hampshire might be a lost cause.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:50 PM on August 8, 2006
mediareport, the mood of Democratic voters all over the country will not allow a deal at all. Especially primary voters. It will be seen the thing that stopped the party from gaining a majority--trust me.
posted by amberglow at 9:50 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 9:50 PM on August 8, 2006
Schumer's not up for a while yet. Hillary's challenger, Tasini, already has my vote.
posted by amberglow at 9:52 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by amberglow at 9:52 PM on August 8, 2006
There are a very few senate democrats who have said they'd support Lieberman. Salazar from CO is one, IIRC.
posted by delmoi at 9:54 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by delmoi at 9:54 PM on August 8, 2006
A final note, to return to the original topic of the thread: TPM Muckraker has posted their evening update. The quick rundown: the Lieberman campaign had a hosting contract for around $150 a month, not the $15 a month that Kos claimed. The site was also managed inhouse, not by 2 Dog Media, as Kos claimed (their original site had been done by 2 Dog Media, but they ended that relationship two months ago). Their contract provided approximately 400 GB of bandwidth a month, and the outage today was definitely the result of an attack, not a bandwidth overage. The parent hosting provider, The Planet, claims that they provide at least two levels of defense against DoS attacks, which would seem to make that vector less likely. Like I said above, I can't wait to see Kos's apology.
That said, its also blatantly obvious that the Lieberman campaign made no attempt to get the site back up, and milked this for all it was worth.
posted by gsteff at 9:55 PM on August 8, 2006
That said, its also blatantly obvious that the Lieberman campaign made no attempt to get the site back up, and milked this for all it was worth.
posted by gsteff at 9:55 PM on August 8, 2006
Lieberman's speech the other day: ...
Or ask Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Barbara Boxer, John Lewis, State Treasurer Denise Nappier, Hartford Mayor Eddie Perez, state AFL-CIO President John Olsen, and dozens of other national and state Democratic leaders who have endorsed me – including many who opposed the war in Iraq. ...
posted by amberglow at 9:59 PM on August 8, 2006
Or ask Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Barbara Boxer, John Lewis, State Treasurer Denise Nappier, Hartford Mayor Eddie Perez, state AFL-CIO President John Olsen, and dozens of other national and state Democratic leaders who have endorsed me – including many who opposed the war in Iraq. ...
posted by amberglow at 9:59 PM on August 8, 2006
Well I'll be darned, me and Joe Scarborough agree on something.
And he utters the magic number: 1994.
posted by bardic at 10:01 PM on August 8, 2006
And he utters the magic number: 1994.
posted by bardic at 10:01 PM on August 8, 2006
Contact info for Harry Reid--let him know that Lieberman needs to be stripped of all committee appointments now.
"Dear Senator Reid:posted by ericb at 10:03 PM on August 8, 2006
With Senator Joseph Lieberman's loss to Ned Lamont in yesterday's Connecticut primary for the United States Senate -- in which he was running as a representive of the Democratic Party of which I am a proud and registered member -- and his subsequent public statement that he would be abandoning the party to run as an independent candidate this coming November, I call upon you to strip him of all committee appointments effective immediately. He has taken a definitve stance in seeking to run counter to the majority vote of Democrats in Connecticut. Such a position demonstrates a lack of commitment to the party in general. No longer does the Senator deserve the committee positions he holds."
I am no great fan of Hillary these days, but I am pretty damn sure she will trounce any primary or general competitor. While I don't share many of her opinions (the big flag-burning issue!?), she has shown that she can deliver for New York and will crush all comers.
She will win again in New York. I hope her terrible national negatives mean she will not get the Democratic nomination in '08, but she does have the best political strategist of the last fifty years (far better than Rove), and perhaps the best president since FDR, in her corner.
Dammit. I guess this means I have to be a political junkie for a while again.
posted by lackutrol at 10:26 PM on August 8, 2006
She will win again in New York. I hope her terrible national negatives mean she will not get the Democratic nomination in '08, but she does have the best political strategist of the last fifty years (far better than Rove), and perhaps the best president since FDR, in her corner.
Dammit. I guess this means I have to be a political junkie for a while again.
posted by lackutrol at 10:26 PM on August 8, 2006
Andrew Sullivan sees the light as well--Lamont's victory is hardly a blow to Democratic unity.
Commenters at LGF? Not so much: "Lamont Wins Nutroots Nomination, Dems Doomed"
With friends like Coulter, Bill Kristol, and these guys, one might begin to feel that the Lamont victory isn't much of a death knell.
posted by bardic at 10:36 PM on August 8, 2006
Commenters at LGF? Not so much: "Lamont Wins Nutroots Nomination, Dems Doomed"
With friends like Coulter, Bill Kristol, and these guys, one might begin to feel that the Lamont victory isn't much of a death knell.
posted by bardic at 10:36 PM on August 8, 2006
Personally, I don't think losing the election is enough at this point. Is there some form of public shaming we can move on to now?
posted by MrCheese!!! at 10:37 PM on August 8, 2006
posted by MrCheese!!! at 10:37 PM on August 8, 2006
the mood of Democratic voters all over the country
Oh, you know that? The mood of Democratic voters all over the country? Amazing. You should start your own polling firm. ;)
Again, we agree on a lot, amberglow. I just think you're letting your excitement get in the way a bit, and are making statements that you can't possibly be as certain of as you're claiming to be. Take a breath, wait a few days and then let's see where we are.
posted by mediareport at 10:45 PM on August 8, 2006
Oh, you know that? The mood of Democratic voters all over the country? Amazing. You should start your own polling firm. ;)
Again, we agree on a lot, amberglow. I just think you're letting your excitement get in the way a bit, and are making statements that you can't possibly be as certain of as you're claiming to be. Take a breath, wait a few days and then let's see where we are.
posted by mediareport at 10:45 PM on August 8, 2006
MetaFilter: the cesspool of unbridled partisanship
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:44 AM on August 9, 2006
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:44 AM on August 9, 2006
Their contract provided approximately 400 GB of bandwidth a month, and the outage today was definitely the result of an attack, not a bandwidth overage.
Eh, assuming their main page had 20kb of data, that only ads up to 200,000 impressions. I could easily see it getting crushed, especially since it did when the bear ad came out. When the returns were comming in dailykos was getting 2,000 hits per minute. If joe's site had the same traffic, they would have used up their monthly bandwidth in about an hour and fourty minutes.
posted by delmoi at 4:03 AM on August 9, 2006
Eh, assuming their main page had 20kb of data, that only ads up to 200,000 impressions. I could easily see it getting crushed, especially since it did when the bear ad came out. When the returns were comming in dailykos was getting 2,000 hits per minute. If joe's site had the same traffic, they would have used up their monthly bandwidth in about an hour and fourty minutes.
posted by delmoi at 4:03 AM on August 9, 2006
How did we get to the point where opposing the obvious debacle in Iraq means you're a nutcase? Especially when you're a rich, successful, American who embodies all the values the old Republicans cared about?
posted by cell divide at 6:27 AM on August 9, 2006
posted by cell divide at 6:27 AM on August 9, 2006
Eh, assuming their main page had 20kb of data, that only ads up to 200,000 impressions.
400GB / 20k = 20,000,000
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:27 AM on August 9, 2006
400GB / 20k = 20,000,000
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:27 AM on August 9, 2006
the mood of Democratic voters all over the country...Oh, you know that?
The mood of Democratic voters all over the country (all voters, actually--all reputable polls show the same trends, and have been doing so for quite a while now--months and months)
...increasing polarization over the Iraq war is what powered the Lamont campaign and it is unclear, without a base in either party, if Mr. Lieberman will be able to find a similar energy source. ...
posted by amberglow at 6:35 AM on August 9, 2006
The mood of Democratic voters all over the country (all voters, actually--all reputable polls show the same trends, and have been doing so for quite a while now--months and months)
...increasing polarization over the Iraq war is what powered the Lamont campaign and it is unclear, without a base in either party, if Mr. Lieberman will be able to find a similar energy source. ...
posted by amberglow at 6:35 AM on August 9, 2006
I've soured on DKOS over the last year, if only because there are much, much better librul blogs out there in terms of analysis. But Markos is pretty much on the mark today: "If they really thought Lieberman losing was such a bad thing for the Democratic Party they wouldn't have gone out of their way to prop him up. Instead, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, the wingnutosphere, several Republican congresscritters, and the GOP's Big Money all rallied around their man. This is not a happy day for them."
The more I hear GOP'ers and their buddies like Marty Peretz and Lanny Davis whine about Lamont's win, the more I'm certain this was the best thing to happen to Democrats since Clinton got elected in 1992. Actually, it may be even better, since the Republicans took over Congress in 1994. They might get the POTUS in 2008, but November 2006 is looking great. And frankly, with Iraq being the disaster that it is, along with the entirety of the middle east now, four more years of a Republican POTUS wouldn't bother me too much--it'll cement the impression that they're a failed party filled with miserable, failed policies and hacks. Honestly, let 'em have the White House with Democrats finally having real Congressional oversight. McCain will quickly go from "bold maverick" to "Bush II's pooper-scooper" in a few weeks.
posted by bardic at 7:00 AM on August 9, 2006
The more I hear GOP'ers and their buddies like Marty Peretz and Lanny Davis whine about Lamont's win, the more I'm certain this was the best thing to happen to Democrats since Clinton got elected in 1992. Actually, it may be even better, since the Republicans took over Congress in 1994. They might get the POTUS in 2008, but November 2006 is looking great. And frankly, with Iraq being the disaster that it is, along with the entirety of the middle east now, four more years of a Republican POTUS wouldn't bother me too much--it'll cement the impression that they're a failed party filled with miserable, failed policies and hacks. Honestly, let 'em have the White House with Democrats finally having real Congressional oversight. McCain will quickly go from "bold maverick" to "Bush II's pooper-scooper" in a few weeks.
posted by bardic at 7:00 AM on August 9, 2006
NYT Editorial today: ...The rebellion against Mr. Lieberman was actually an uprising by that rare phenomenon, irate moderates. They are the voters who have been unnerved over the last few years as the country has seemed to be galloping in a deeply unmoderate direction. A war that began at the president’s choosing has degenerated into a desperate, bloody mess that has turned much of the world against the United States. The administration’s contempt for international agreements, Congressional prerogatives and the authority of the courts has undermined the rule of law abroad and at home. ...
It's time to watch who starts funding Lieberman's run, if he does run (i still say he won't), and to ensure that people know he won't be listed as an "independent Democrat" on the ballot, but as an "Independent".
posted by amberglow at 7:07 AM on August 9, 2006
It's time to watch who starts funding Lieberman's run, if he does run (i still say he won't), and to ensure that people know he won't be listed as an "independent Democrat" on the ballot, but as an "Independent".
posted by amberglow at 7:07 AM on August 9, 2006
bardic, do you read greenwald/unclaimed territory or billmon/whiskeybar? they rock
posted by amberglow at 7:11 AM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:11 AM on August 9, 2006
... Chris Dodd was tasked with the difficult job of telling Joe he had to go, which he was to commence either last night or this morning according to varying reports. I know Joe has vocal support from DLCers and so-called "centrists" who see themselves next in line if Lieberman falls. They want Joe to hold back the barbarian horde for all of them. It’s a stupid, shortsighted and solipsistic construct. The self-righteous indignation of people like Lanny Davis and Martin Peretz are buoying Lieberman into a wholesale purchase of the myth that he is a great man and a great wrong has been done to him. Here on planet earth we call it a primary challenge, an integral part of the Democratic process. ...
posted by amberglow at 7:16 AM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:16 AM on August 9, 2006
Schumer, Reid Support Lamont (DSCC too)
and Hillary gave Lamont 5k.
posted by amberglow at 7:25 AM on August 9, 2006
and Hillary gave Lamont 5k.
posted by amberglow at 7:25 AM on August 9, 2006
It's mind-boggling, but this is still being milked. You would think if they were serious about an independent challenge, they'd roll up their sleeves, get the site back up QED and get back to work. They can address this on the homepage. How web illiterate can a campaign be?
posted by Skygazer at 8:46 AM on August 9, 2006
posted by Skygazer at 8:46 AM on August 9, 2006
It's mind-boggling, but this is still being milked. You would think if they were serious about an independent challenge, they'd roll up their sleeves, get the site back up QED and get back to work. They can address this on the homepage. How web illiterate can a campaign be?
posted by Skygazer at 9:15 AM on August 9, 2006
posted by Skygazer at 9:15 AM on August 9, 2006
For the record as of 12:25 PM EST August 9. Joe2006.com consists of one page with only the following statement:
UPDATE ON THE ATTACK ON THE LIEBERMAN CAMPAIGN WEBSITE
STATEMENT FROM SEAN SMITH: "For the past 24 hours the Friends for Joe Lieberman's website and email has been totally disrupted and disabled, we believe that this is the result of a coordinated attack by our political opponents. The campaign has notified the US Attorney and the Connecticut Chief State's Attorney and the campaign will be filing a formal complaint reflecting our concerns. The campaign has also notified the State Attorney General Dick Blumenthal for his review."
"We call on Ned Lamont to make an unqualified statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation and undermine the voting process on Election Day is deplorable and has no place in our democracy."
posted by Skygazer at 9:25 AM on August 9, 2006
UPDATE ON THE ATTACK ON THE LIEBERMAN CAMPAIGN WEBSITE
STATEMENT FROM SEAN SMITH: "For the past 24 hours the Friends for Joe Lieberman's website and email has been totally disrupted and disabled, we believe that this is the result of a coordinated attack by our political opponents. The campaign has notified the US Attorney and the Connecticut Chief State's Attorney and the campaign will be filing a formal complaint reflecting our concerns. The campaign has also notified the State Attorney General Dick Blumenthal for his review."
"We call on Ned Lamont to make an unqualified statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation and undermine the voting process on Election Day is deplorable and has no place in our democracy."
posted by Skygazer at 9:25 AM on August 9, 2006
And besides, Schumer has already suggested that he'll support Lieberman's run. He might have changed his mind if Lamont won with a bigger margin, but at 3%, no way.
You were saying?
Senators Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer announce full support for Lamont. They call Lieberman loss a "referendum on the president more than anything else.”
posted by ericb at 11:34 AM on August 9, 2006
You were saying?
Senators Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer announce full support for Lamont. They call Lieberman loss a "referendum on the president more than anything else.”
posted by ericb at 11:34 AM on August 9, 2006
"Hacking" Update: FBI Doesn't Like Liars
"[FBI Field Agent David] Straretz noted that if Lieberman 'hacking' charges prove false, the FBI and federal prosecutors could pursue charges against those who reported them. 'If it was fabricated and you could prove intent, there's Title 18, Section 1001, which is providing false statements to an FBI agent. That can be prosecuted at the discretion of the U.S. Attorney's Office.'"posted by ericb at 11:40 AM on August 9, 2006
look how pathetic the White House has become--just a branch of the GOP now: ... The White House accused the Democratic Party on Wednesday of catering to the extreme left after Connecticut voters defeated Sen. Joe Lieberman in a primary election over his support of the Iraq war.
...
we've become so accustomed to the idea that the White House is nothing but the headquarters for a political party - and not the seat of an executive branch that represents all Americans - that we don't even blink at attacks launched at the winner of a state-level opposition party primary. ...
posted by amberglow at 4:49 PM on August 9, 2006
...
we've become so accustomed to the idea that the White House is nothing but the headquarters for a political party - and not the seat of an executive branch that represents all Americans - that we don't even blink at attacks launched at the winner of a state-level opposition party primary. ...
posted by amberglow at 4:49 PM on August 9, 2006
and here we go: According to a close Lieberman adviser, the President's political guru, Karl Rove, has reached out to the Lieberman camp with a message straight from the Oval Office: "The boss wants to help. Whatever we can do, we will do." ...
posted by amberglow at 5:04 PM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 5:04 PM on August 9, 2006
The White House accused the Democratic Party on Wednesday of catering to the extreme left after Connecticut voters defeated Sen. Joe Lieberman in a primary election over his support of the Iraq war
Well, not only is the 'extreme left' displeased about the war in Iraq -- a clear majority of all Americans feel the same way.
Poll: 60 Percent of Americans Oppose Iraq War
Well, not only is the 'extreme left' displeased about the war in Iraq -- a clear majority of all Americans feel the same way.
Poll: 60 Percent of Americans Oppose Iraq War
"Sixty percent of Americans oppose the U.S. war in Iraq, the highest number since polling on the subject began with the commencement of the war in March 2003, according to poll results and trends released Wednesday.posted by ericb at 5:35 PM on August 9, 2006
And a majority of poll respondents said they would support the withdrawal of at least some U.S. troops by the end of the year, according to results from the Opinion Research Corporation poll conducted last week on behalf of CNN.
....Sixty-one percent...said they believed at least some U.S. troops should be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of the year.
....Asked about a timetable for withdrawal of troops from Iraq, 57 percent of poll respondents said they supported the setting of such a timetable..."
American Prospect: There's No Security In Incumbency -- Constituent Complaints About Lieberman A Bad Sign.
posted by ericb at 5:38 PM on August 9, 2006
posted by ericb at 5:38 PM on August 9, 2006
"For the rest of the country and the 2006 midterm elections, there are two major implications of Lamont's victory. First, supporters of the war in all but the most conservative districts and states had better take caution. The war provided the impetus for Lamont's challenge. But there is a second and far more mundane lesson: Taking one's constituents for granted is a dangerous business — incumbency's money and power are actually not a substitute for having a proper campaign assembled for re-election if and when a challenger comes after you."
[American Prospect]
posted by ericb at 5:40 PM on August 9, 2006
[American Prospect]
posted by ericb at 5:40 PM on August 9, 2006
Revenge of the Irate Moderates
"The defeat of Senator Joseph Lieberman at the hands of a little-known Connecticut businessman is bound to send a message to politicians of both parties that voters are angry and frustrated over the war in Iraq. The primary upset was not, however, a rebellion against the bipartisanship and centrism that Mr. Lieberman said he represented in the Senate. Instead, Connecticut Democrats were reacting to the way those concepts have been perverted by the Bush White House.posted by ericb at 5:44 PM on August 9, 2006
Ned Lamont, a relative political novice, said he ran against Mr. Lieberman because he was offended by the senator’s sunny descriptions of what was happening in Iraq and his denunciation of Democrats who criticized the administration’s handling of the war. Many other people in Connecticut may have felt that sense of frustration, but no one else had the money and moxie to do what Mr. Lamont did. Mr. Lieberman was stunned to find himself on the defensive, and it was only in the last few weeks that the 18-year veteran mounted a desperate campaign to reclaim his party’s support.
....The rebellion against Mr. Lieberman was actually an uprising by that rare phenomenon, irate moderates. They are the voters who have been unnerved over the last few years as the country has seemed to be galloping in a deeply unmoderate direction. A war that began at the president’s choosing has degenerated into a desperate, bloody mess that has turned much of the world against the United States. The administration’s contempt for international agreements, Congressional prerogatives and the authority of the courts has undermined the rule of law abroad and at home.
Yet while all this has been happening, the political discussion in Washington has become a captive of the Bush agenda. Traditional beliefs like every person’s right to a day in court, or the conviction that America should not start wars it does not know how to win, wind up being portrayed as extreme. The middle becomes a place where senators struggle to get the president to volunteer to obey the law when the mood strikes him. Attempting to regain the real center becomes a radical alternative.
When Mr. Lieberman told The Washington Post, “I haven’t changed. Events around me have changed,” he actually put his finger on his political problem. His constituents felt that when the White House led the country into a disastrous international crisis and started subverting the nation’s basic traditions, Joe Lieberman should have changed enough to take a lead in fighting back."
[New York Times | August 9, 2006]
The Other Message in Lieberman's Defeat
"...in two House primaries on Tuesday, Republican and Democratic incumbents also lost. Usually these upsets suggest the national mood is rising against incumbents, as well as against Congress itself.posted by ericb at 5:49 PM on August 9, 2006
And well it should.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds Americans who approve of their own representative's performance is at the lowest level since 1994 - the last time control of the House switched parties. Usually, voters simply have a low opinion of Congress but then vote their senator or congressman back in. Incumbents have well rigged the electoral system to give them many advantages, from fundraising to gerrymandered districts. But now the percentage of voters disenchanted with their representatives has risen seven points, to 45 percent.
Some of that increase could be related to a rising disgust with the way the Iraq war has been handled by both Congress and the Bush administration. But it may also arise from Congress allowing its powers as the first and most representative branch of government to be eroded by a wartime presidency and by a string of Supreme Court decisions.
And voters are increasingly turned off by the extreme polarization of the win-at-any-cost politics that's developed over decades and ends up with both parties using national issues to score points rather than solve problems with a bipartisan spirit.
The image of a gridlocked, dysfunctional Congress is very clear in the way lawmakers have failed to pass reforms that would solve the crises in immigration and energy, and that would translate into reality for voters. Impasses within the marbled halls of Capitol Hill that then lead to blame games - e.g., 'do-nothing Republicans' or 'obstructing Democrats' - may play well to the most partisan of voters, but not to the vast moderate voters who increasingly declare themselves as independent. And let's not even dwell on recent cases of blatant graft, a rise in pork-barrel profligacy using undebated earmarks, a decreasing number of days in session, and strange timing in House roll-call votes.
Those in a supine Congress who would reform the institution itself - even if Democrats win a majority of seats in November - are still too few, but perhaps growing. The first override of a Bush veto came only last month, six years into his term. Senate oversight of Bush's wartime legal powers seems to be increasing.
Too much can easily be read into Lieberman's primary defeat. But perhaps it really is the signal of a political shift toward institutional reform that would outlast the current national debates over the Iraq war or the Bush presidency."
[Christian Science Monitor | August 9, 2006]
hysterical: Live blogging for Lieberman or how Bill Kristol saved my life (Jesus' General)
posted by amberglow at 7:22 PM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:22 PM on August 9, 2006
Exit Poll Results from CT: ... 61% of voters rejected the notion of Lieberman running as an Independent candidate in the fall, something he has promised to do. 39% supported it. Moreover, one in five Lieberman voters does not think he should seek an Independent run in November. ...
posted by amberglow at 7:26 PM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:26 PM on August 9, 2006
CNN is talking about the "rhetoric" of bloggers and Lieberman as i type--they show a screenshot of Kos, but then show Michaelmoore.com and only quote from him about Hillary--appalling.
posted by amberglow at 7:28 PM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:28 PM on August 9, 2006
gsteff, it's plain to see that you're Lieberman-friendly, if not downright supportive of him.
Pray tell, why? All I've ever seen and read about Lieberman indicates to me that he is about as slimey as a politician can get. What on earth causes you to rally at his side?
posted by five fresh fish at 7:31 PM on August 9, 2006
Pray tell, why? All I've ever seen and read about Lieberman indicates to me that he is about as slimey as a politician can get. What on earth causes you to rally at his side?
posted by five fresh fish at 7:31 PM on August 9, 2006
ooo--Wes Clark: ...You see, despite what Joe Lieberman believes, invading Iraq and diverting our attention away from Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden is not being strong on national security. Blind allegiance to George W. Bush and his failed "stay the course" strategy is not being strong on national security. And no, Senator Lieberman, no matter how you demonize your opponents, there is no "antisecurity wing" of the Democratic Party. ...
posted by amberglow at 7:32 PM on August 9, 2006
posted by amberglow at 7:32 PM on August 9, 2006
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'Suspended'. Accounts are generally suspended for one of two reasons: 1) inappropriate or illegal content (which we can obviously rule out in this case), or 2) from lack of payment. And that would make sense given that the first screen when Lieberman's site went down was, indeed, a request that the website owner contact their billing department."
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