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November 15, 2006 10:28 AM Subscribe
"Be On The Lookout For Any Statements From The Iraqi Insurgents...Thrilled At The Prospect Of A Dem Controlled Congress"... Fair and balanced? You betcha.
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Roast beef makes a nice sandwich, but the Italians have this thin sliced beef that gets brined or smoked or something, and it's, like, 100 times better than regular roast beef. I like to press a sandwich of that with some Gorgonzola and a little pesto for a truly delicious panini.
posted by boo_radley at 10:35 AM on November 15, 2006 [4 favorites]
posted by boo_radley at 10:35 AM on November 15, 2006 [4 favorites]
They've got this Oriental Chicken Wrap at Applebees which is also really good and I think you should try it if you like sandwiches.
posted by Kwantsar at 10:45 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by Kwantsar at 10:45 AM on November 15, 2006
Did someone cross the comment alignment beams or something?
posted by public at 10:48 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by public at 10:48 AM on November 15, 2006
Is that the one with the sesame peanut dressing? I did not care for it, to be honest with you. Maybe if they changed the dressing a little bit, or stopped using bean sprouts (which I personally cannot stand) it would be OK.
posted by boo_radley at 10:49 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 10:49 AM on November 15, 2006
This is pretty damning, but I'd like to see it coming from something other than HuffPo. You know, so people could take it seriously.
posted by gurple at 10:49 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by gurple at 10:49 AM on November 15, 2006
my brush with fox news:
dated a girl for a couple months last year whose roommate worked as a PA for Fox news in Manhattan. You know those stories you hear about bias? the truth is worse. This girl worked directly with Roger Ailes and he's out every day to screw the dems. Additionally, Cheney would show up 1-2 times a month to sit down with Ailes and the senior staff to discuss how to play certain stories and which framing would be most beneficial to the republicans.
this shit is kids stuff, but everyone already knows it
posted by slapshot57 at 10:56 AM on November 15, 2006
dated a girl for a couple months last year whose roommate worked as a PA for Fox news in Manhattan. You know those stories you hear about bias? the truth is worse. This girl worked directly with Roger Ailes and he's out every day to screw the dems. Additionally, Cheney would show up 1-2 times a month to sit down with Ailes and the senior staff to discuss how to play certain stories and which framing would be most beneficial to the republicans.
this shit is kids stuff, but everyone already knows it
posted by slapshot57 at 10:56 AM on November 15, 2006
I'm thrilled at the prospect of a roast beef controlled sandwich.
posted by blue_beetle at 10:57 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by blue_beetle at 10:57 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]
...the war on terror isnt' over.
I cant' hardly wait t'il it is, though.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 10:59 AM on November 15, 2006
I cant' hardly wait t'il it is, though.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 10:59 AM on November 15, 2006
$2 mil. payoff to terrorists to free captured Fox reporters
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:00 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 11:00 AM on November 15, 2006
The fact that roast beef just barely holds the majority illustrates the fact that the lunch meat system is failing and we as a people need to embrace a multi-cuisine system if we want lunch to survive.
posted by The Power Nap at 11:07 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by The Power Nap at 11:07 AM on November 15, 2006
"We distort; you deride."
posted by pax digita at 11:08 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by pax digita at 11:08 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]
But don't forget: Burritos aren't sandwiches.
Or, to phrase it Fox News-style : BUrritos arent' sandwiches.
posted by Faint of Butt at 11:10 AM on November 15, 2006
Or, to phrase it Fox News-style : BUrritos arent' sandwiches.
posted by Faint of Butt at 11:10 AM on November 15, 2006
You know, its been over a week since the election and I don't recall seeing any such statements. Maybe they couldn't find any?
And just what is the difference between a croque-monsieur and a ham and cheese sandwich?
posted by yhbc at 11:14 AM on November 15, 2006
And just what is the difference between a croque-monsieur and a ham and cheese sandwich?
posted by yhbc at 11:14 AM on November 15, 2006
the truth is worse. This girl worked directly with Roger Ailes and he's out every day to screw the dems. Additionally, Cheney would show up 1-2 times a month to sit down with Ailes and the senior staff to discuss how to play certain stories and which framing would be most beneficial to the republicans.
I know that FCC fairness and accuracy rules were all rolled back a while back, but are there seriously no criminal charges that can be leveled against these guys for serving as the administration's propaganda machine? Doesn't Cheney's involvement cross the line under existing anti-propaganda rules? At the very least, couldn't someone file a class action suit on the behalf of the public? In fact, didn't Fox pretty much set up shop just around the time the Republican party began locking down its hold on political power?
posted by saulgoodman at 11:16 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]
I know that FCC fairness and accuracy rules were all rolled back a while back, but are there seriously no criminal charges that can be leveled against these guys for serving as the administration's propaganda machine? Doesn't Cheney's involvement cross the line under existing anti-propaganda rules? At the very least, couldn't someone file a class action suit on the behalf of the public? In fact, didn't Fox pretty much set up shop just around the time the Republican party began locking down its hold on political power?
posted by saulgoodman at 11:16 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]
Be on the lookout for wingnuts with white powder.
posted by homunculus at 11:16 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by homunculus at 11:16 AM on November 15, 2006
eh, on second thought--screw it. i don't care anymore.
posted by saulgoodman at 11:18 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by saulgoodman at 11:18 AM on November 15, 2006
what's with the ellipsis?
The elipsis drops the words "who must be". In other words, the memo does not say to look only for insurgents who are thrilled by the election results; it makes the assumption that all insurgents *must* be thrilled by the results, so get a quote for them. I read it not as an attempt to skew the news (although I surely believe Fox does that), but instead as an assumption as to what the mindset of the insurgents probably is.
posted by Lokheed at 11:19 AM on November 15, 2006
The elipsis drops the words "who must be". In other words, the memo does not say to look only for insurgents who are thrilled by the election results; it makes the assumption that all insurgents *must* be thrilled by the results, so get a quote for them. I read it not as an attempt to skew the news (although I surely believe Fox does that), but instead as an assumption as to what the mindset of the insurgents probably is.
posted by Lokheed at 11:19 AM on November 15, 2006
Lokheed writes "I read it not as an attempt to skew the news (although I surely believe Fox does that), but instead as an assumption as to what the mindset of the insurgents probably is."
People who want to keep their jobs and get promoted do well to produce work that supports their boss's assumptions. So it's both.
posted by orthogonality at 11:22 AM on November 15, 2006
People who want to keep their jobs and get promoted do well to produce work that supports their boss's assumptions. So it's both.
posted by orthogonality at 11:22 AM on November 15, 2006
Well, a croque-monsieur is always pan-fried. Sometimes you'll dip it in beaten eggs first, for a french-toast sort of taste.
posted by signalnine at 11:22 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by signalnine at 11:22 AM on November 15, 2006
Roast beef is good, but it doesn't hold a candle to a good pastrami.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 11:24 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by monju_bosatsu at 11:24 AM on November 15, 2006
Emeril spice. Ya gadda add a bit a da Emeril spice.
posted by anthill at 11:39 AM on November 15, 2006
posted by anthill at 11:39 AM on November 15, 2006
I like a nice grilled cheese with a chopped half-clove of garlic, a slice of fresh tomato, some Muenster, on potato bread. Fry that in olive oil and press it, it's a feast. Add some mushrooms to make it extra special, or some slices of pork chop if there's room.
posted by nasreddin at 12:03 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by nasreddin at 12:03 PM on November 15, 2006
Doesn't Cheney's involvement cross the line under existing anti-propaganda rules?
I am ignorant: are there actual anti-propaganda rules, particularly for cable based broadcasters who don't typically fall under FCC oversight?
If such rules do exist am I right in assuming they are worded in a cowardly and vague way that makes them basically unenforcable?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:32 PM on November 15, 2006
I am ignorant: are there actual anti-propaganda rules, particularly for cable based broadcasters who don't typically fall under FCC oversight?
If such rules do exist am I right in assuming they are worded in a cowardly and vague way that makes them basically unenforcable?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:32 PM on November 15, 2006
Apparently Fox News gives an awful lot of credence to terrorists. Perhaps they can start by reporting the bombshell that Al Qaeda was reponsible for hurricane Katrina!
Of course that story doesn't pass the smell test, but then neither does anything that oozes from Fox News.
posted by clevershark at 12:40 PM on November 15, 2006
Of course that story doesn't pass the smell test, but then neither does anything that oozes from Fox News.
posted by clevershark at 12:40 PM on November 15, 2006
I guess you are talking about the Fairness Doctrine, which was eliminated under Reagan iirc.
posted by Mister_A at 12:42 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by Mister_A at 12:42 PM on November 15, 2006
"We distort, you comply."
As to laws against propaganda, the administration broke the law by producing and placing segments designed to look like they were independent news, but I doubt that it's against the law for officials to confer and coordinate with preferred press outlets.
posted by ibmcginty at 12:45 PM on November 15, 2006
As to laws against propaganda, the administration broke the law by producing and placing segments designed to look like they were independent news, but I doubt that it's against the law for officials to confer and coordinate with preferred press outlets.
posted by ibmcginty at 12:45 PM on November 15, 2006
More importantly, we must consider what the founding fathers would have done in such a case.
And what of the flatbreads? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FLATBREADS???!!??!?
posted by Mister_A at 12:45 PM on November 15, 2006
And what of the flatbreads? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FLATBREADS???!!??!?
posted by Mister_A at 12:45 PM on November 15, 2006
Your puny american sandwiches just met their vietnam.
I don't even know what I'm saying any more
posted by lalochezia at 12:48 PM on November 15, 2006
I don't even know what I'm saying any more
posted by lalochezia at 12:48 PM on November 15, 2006
This guy from Boston opened a sandwich shop down the street from me, and he makes a sick roast beef melt -- it's basically a French Dip between slices of sourdough, grilled in butter like a Reuben, with sliced tomato, onions, and horseradish mayo. He serves it with a cup of "au jus." And it's only 5 bucks. He's insane to charge a price like that. I just hope the low prices don't kill him.
I mean, "He's insane... Kill him."
posted by turducken at 12:51 PM on November 15, 2006
I mean, "He's insane... Kill him."
posted by turducken at 12:51 PM on November 15, 2006
I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the cured meats.
posted by spicynuts at 12:52 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by spicynuts at 12:52 PM on November 15, 2006
I know that FCC fairness and accuracy rules were all rolled back a while back, but are there seriously no criminal charges that can be leveled against these guys for serving as the administration's propaganda machine?
Ever hear of the first amendment? I mean what laws would they be breaking?
The press used to be a lot worse, but at least at the time they didn't pretend to be ballanced.
posted by Paris Hilton at 12:57 PM on November 15, 2006
Ever hear of the first amendment? I mean what laws would they be breaking?
The press used to be a lot worse, but at least at the time they didn't pretend to be ballanced.
posted by Paris Hilton at 12:57 PM on November 15, 2006
Such an assertion just goes to show how little the good people at Fox News even understand the people they're talking about. It's kind of like saying that Osama bin Laden would be thrilled that the democrats took control of congress.
Neither he nor the insurgents in Iraq have any vested interest in the internal power shifts within the US power structure. For OBL, the United States and all of its citizens are the enemy. To the Iraqi insurgents, the face of the US enemy is the US military. I don't think it gets much more granular than that, for them. I sincerely doubt that they care overly much about the political machinations that drive our end of this enmity. It still looks the same at their end of the stick, at the end of the day.
posted by Brak at 12:57 PM on November 15, 2006
Neither he nor the insurgents in Iraq have any vested interest in the internal power shifts within the US power structure. For OBL, the United States and all of its citizens are the enemy. To the Iraqi insurgents, the face of the US enemy is the US military. I don't think it gets much more granular than that, for them. I sincerely doubt that they care overly much about the political machinations that drive our end of this enmity. It still looks the same at their end of the stick, at the end of the day.
posted by Brak at 12:57 PM on November 15, 2006
In Montreal what you want to do is go to Dunn's and order the roast beef & swiss sandwich with banana peppers. Combine the two and you'll have a damn good meal.
You could go for a smoked meat at Schwartz's, but for that you'd have to line up behind all the tourists.
posted by clevershark at 12:59 PM on November 15, 2006
You could go for a smoked meat at Schwartz's, but for that you'd have to line up behind all the tourists.
posted by clevershark at 12:59 PM on November 15, 2006
In the interest of placing the sandwich question in historical context, here are fome contemporarief of the Earl of fandwich.
posted by Mister_A at 1:01 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by Mister_A at 1:01 PM on November 15, 2006
If Cheney's direct coordination with FoxNews could be proven, it'd be one bombshell of a story. (Even though it might be perfectly legal.)
posted by LordSludge at 1:02 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by LordSludge at 1:02 PM on November 15, 2006
I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the cured meats.
Such an assertion just goes to show how little good people like spicynuts even understand the sandwiches they're talking about. It's kind of like saying that Bánh mì would be thrilled that roast beef took control of congress.
posted by Floydd at 1:06 PM on November 15, 2006
Such an assertion just goes to show how little good people like spicynuts even understand the sandwiches they're talking about. It's kind of like saying that Bánh mì would be thrilled that roast beef took control of congress.
posted by Floydd at 1:06 PM on November 15, 2006
I can't help but have less respect for Fox News than for Rush Limbaugh.
At least most everyone knows that he's a whore; there are still people who believe that Fox is fair and balanced.
posted by leftcoastbob at 1:08 PM on November 15, 2006
At least most everyone knows that he's a whore; there are still people who believe that Fox is fair and balanced.
posted by leftcoastbob at 1:08 PM on November 15, 2006
Paris, isn't this the part where you're supposed to tell us that the insurgent attacks in Iraq THIS week are because the Dems took Congress, whereas the insurgent attacks last month were about... something else?
posted by kgasmart at 1:12 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by kgasmart at 1:12 PM on November 15, 2006
"You want those with dead American soldier relish, innocent dead Iraqi civilian spread, or sliced no bid budget deficits-- or all three?"
posted by jamjam at 1:12 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by jamjam at 1:12 PM on November 15, 2006
Bah! Take this plane thread to Cuba! Viva la revolucion!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:13 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:13 PM on November 15, 2006
Hey, the Dems have been getting good press recently, what with their electoral wins and all, so of course it would be "fair and balanced" to be on the lookout for news items to smear them with.
posted by Heywood Mogroot at 1:15 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by Heywood Mogroot at 1:15 PM on November 15, 2006
As the gap between rich and poor continues to widen in this country, Po'boy sandwiches are marginalized more and more.
posted by BobFrapples at 1:18 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by BobFrapples at 1:18 PM on November 15, 2006
Ever hear of the first amendment? I mean what laws would they be breaking?
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So why can't we watch nude trannies hitting each other with a pastrami and swiss on rye? Eh?
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posted by Mister_A at 1:21 PM on November 15, 2006
Miracle Max: "Sonny, true love is the greatest thing, in the world-except for a nice MLT - mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe [smacks his lips] they're so perky, I love that."
posted by I, Credulous at 1:22 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by I, Credulous at 1:22 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by Smedleyman at 1:31 PM on November 15, 2006
What was that egg on toast thing V and the t.v. comedy guy were frying up in the morning in “V for Vendetta”? That looks damn tasty.
posted by Smedleyman at 1:33 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by Smedleyman at 1:33 PM on November 15, 2006
Like Christopher Walken, I like nothing better than eating a hot dog, or several hot dogs. Many of you people have stated or implied that you would prefer some other sort of meat-bread combination to a delicious hot dog, and frankly this enrages me.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:38 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:38 PM on November 15, 2006
Faux News and Pastrami sandwiches, rolled into one. This thread is comedy gold.
posted by forwebsites at 1:44 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by forwebsites at 1:44 PM on November 15, 2006
Meanwhile, Al-Jazeera English launched this week. It's not being carried by any cable or satellite broadcasters in the US, but it is available online.
posted by homunculus at 1:45 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by homunculus at 1:45 PM on November 15, 2006
What was that egg on toast thing V and the t.v. comedy guy were frying up in the morning in “V for Vendetta”?
Eggy in a basket.
posted by homunculus at 1:47 PM on November 15, 2006
Eggy in a basket.
posted by homunculus at 1:47 PM on November 15, 2006
I've generally been a fan of the club sandwich. It is a simple sandwich that can be dressed up and taken out on the town if one gets the urge. At the other end of the spectrum is the monte cristo. At most times of day it is a sandwich without a tribe—neither brekkie nor lunch really suit its particular palate. However, it is the epitome of a late Sunday brunch food, and at that time I can order no other sandwich.
Give me a lightly dipped monte with stacks of ham and a thickish slice of Jarlsberg and just a light dusting of powdered sugar late on a Sunday morning and the only thing I might trouble you for is a copy of the Tribune and an espresso.
posted by Fezboy! at 1:52 PM on November 15, 2006
Give me a lightly dipped monte with stacks of ham and a thickish slice of Jarlsberg and just a light dusting of powdered sugar late on a Sunday morning and the only thing I might trouble you for is a copy of the Tribune and an espresso.
posted by Fezboy! at 1:52 PM on November 15, 2006
If you want good pizza, don't go to Italy. Italy has terrible pizza. If you want good pizza, go to Norway.
posted by duende at 1:56 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by duende at 1:56 PM on November 15, 2006
I once had a breakfast sandwich called the boxcar, it was just tomato, egg, ham and mustard on an english muffin, served open face. Real simple, but at this diner I had it it, it was all top notch ingredients. Like real gormet shit. I think it was a poached egg, but at the time, I didn't know what a poached egg was, so I can't be sure. Anyway, it was the best damn breakfast sandwich I ever had.
Soon after that, I stopped at a Sheetz on a road trip and ordered a shmuffin on the little screen they have there, and dutifully pressed the buttons for egg, mustard, ham, and tomato. It wasn't the same, and I think I knew it wouldn't be when I ordered it, but I ate it all the same.
posted by empath at 2:03 PM on November 15, 2006
Soon after that, I stopped at a Sheetz on a road trip and ordered a shmuffin on the little screen they have there, and dutifully pressed the buttons for egg, mustard, ham, and tomato. It wasn't the same, and I think I knew it wouldn't be when I ordered it, but I ate it all the same.
posted by empath at 2:03 PM on November 15, 2006
Like Christopher Walken, I will only eat a hot dog if it is accompanied by a fine champagña, and fed to me by a fashion model who answered my ad in the Pennysaver.
posted by turducken at 2:08 PM on November 15, 2006
posted by turducken at 2:08 PM on November 15, 2006
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