Tube Wars. Get your hose.
January 17, 2007 1:07 PM Subscribe
Tube Wars: A new front opens as the IFPI [think global RIAA] threatens imminent legal war with ISP's.
They can have my Dragonforce videos when they pry them from my cold dead etc.
posted by cortex at 1:21 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by cortex at 1:21 PM on January 17, 2007
In the back of my head, I see an eventual turn in the tide of this war with the massive resources of international corporations fighting for copyright reform to save their own collective assi. One can dream.
posted by trinarian at 1:22 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by trinarian at 1:22 PM on January 17, 2007
The global music industry
it's not an industry. industry implies working. how about "global music parasite"?
posted by quonsar at 1:23 PM on January 17, 2007
it's not an industry. industry implies working. how about "global music parasite"?
posted by quonsar at 1:23 PM on January 17, 2007
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industries issued the warning as a report it published noted global digital music sales failed to compensate for the overall decline in sales of CDs in 2006.
...and consumers are responsible for this decline how, precisely?
posted by WolfDaddy at 1:27 PM on January 17, 2007
...and consumers are responsible for this decline how, precisely?
posted by WolfDaddy at 1:27 PM on January 17, 2007
...and consumers are responsible for this decline how, precisely?
Because they aren't buying as much as they used to. Duh.
posted by thecaddy at 1:38 PM on January 17, 2007
Because they aren't buying as much as they used to. Duh.
posted by thecaddy at 1:38 PM on January 17, 2007
Although illegal file-sharing has been curbed, falling to 14% of digital music downloads from 18% in 2002, it is still damaging growth of the legitimate digital music industry, the IFPI said.
WTF?! Illegal file shares are down to 14%?! Meaning 85% of downloads are legitimate and paid?!
That is stunning success. These guys have nothing to complain about. Grumble about, sure. Try to improve further, sure. But these wars and dirty tactics of questionable legality... grow up you babies, act like a responsible member of the business community.
posted by -harlequin- at 1:42 PM on January 17, 2007
WTF?! Illegal file shares are down to 14%?! Meaning 85% of downloads are legitimate and paid?!
That is stunning success. These guys have nothing to complain about. Grumble about, sure. Try to improve further, sure. But these wars and dirty tactics of questionable legality... grow up you babies, act like a responsible member of the business community.
posted by -harlequin- at 1:42 PM on January 17, 2007
I'm all for it. Let's let media conglomerates regulate the ISPs. Just as soon as they design a foolproof method of identifying all illegally uploaded and downloaded content. But really it would be much more thorough if they simply outlawed all recording media so the naughty consumers aren't tempted by the ability to make copies.
posted by asfuller at 1:46 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by asfuller at 1:46 PM on January 17, 2007
Not to defend these rats, -harlequin-, but you've made a bit of a false dichotomy. If their figures are right, then 14% of downloaded music is acquired in violation of copyright through peer-to-peer file-sharing. This doesn't include music downloaded in violation of copyright from FTP servers, Usenet or other sources, and it most certainly doesn't include music produced and distributed outside of IFPI jurisdiction. Much of the remaining percentage is both legal and paid for, but there's still plenty that are only one or neither.
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:56 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:56 PM on January 17, 2007
/* places azureus folder in virtual trash bin */
posted by localhuman at 1:57 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by localhuman at 1:57 PM on January 17, 2007
Not to defend these rats, -harlequin-, but you've made a bit of a false dichotomy. If their figures are right, then 14% of downloaded music is acquired in violation of copyright through peer-to-peer file-sharing.
Yeah, but remember that peer-to-peer sharing is where they focus the majority of their energy (and how they justify most of their methods) because it's easy enough for Joe Schmoe to do.
So, if you take them at their word about p2p being their worst enemy (and if you consider how little, by comparison, they did to combat FTP and usenet sharing before p2p arrived), and finally if you consider that 86% of users (statistics being what they are, of course) are paying for something they got for free most of the time just a few years ago -- yeah, that's a big success, actually.
posted by davejay at 2:19 PM on January 17, 2007
Yeah, but remember that peer-to-peer sharing is where they focus the majority of their energy (and how they justify most of their methods) because it's easy enough for Joe Schmoe to do.
So, if you take them at their word about p2p being their worst enemy (and if you consider how little, by comparison, they did to combat FTP and usenet sharing before p2p arrived), and finally if you consider that 86% of users (statistics being what they are, of course) are paying for something they got for free most of the time just a few years ago -- yeah, that's a big success, actually.
posted by davejay at 2:19 PM on January 17, 2007
So no more hilarious Yngwie and Wolfmother adn Dragonforce videos? posted by Mister_A
Oh wow, excellent use of the word "adn."
posted by CameraObscura at 2:38 PM on January 17, 2007
Oh wow, excellent use of the word "adn."
posted by CameraObscura at 2:38 PM on January 17, 2007
Last gasps of a dieing industry.
posted by Yer-Ol-Pal at 2:55 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by Yer-Ol-Pal at 2:55 PM on January 17, 2007
I still want to find a way to pit the $cientoligists against the recording industry. Okay really I just want to see Madonna and Tom Cruise fight to the death. And then the one that wins dropped into a pit with a rancor. Surely Monsanto is making rancors to protect their GM crops by now.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 2:57 PM on January 17, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 2:57 PM on January 17, 2007 [1 favorite]
davejay : "if you consider that 86% of users (statistics being what they are, of course) are paying for something they got for free most of the time just a few years ago"
You're still making the assumption that, if a song isn't downloaded illegally, that it is therefore being purchased legally. That's a false dichotomy: it omits music which is being downloaded legally and for free. Indie artists, free tracks by major artists, etc., also factor in there.
posted by Bugbread at 3:45 PM on January 17, 2007
You're still making the assumption that, if a song isn't downloaded illegally, that it is therefore being purchased legally. That's a false dichotomy: it omits music which is being downloaded legally and for free. Indie artists, free tracks by major artists, etc., also factor in there.
posted by Bugbread at 3:45 PM on January 17, 2007
Actually, lots of sloppy phrasing in that article:
"Mobile music accounts for 90% of the digital sales in Japan, although online music sales doubled to roughly 22 million in 2006 after the launch of Apple Computer Inc.'s (AAPL) iTunes in 2006. Mobile is also the dominant digital music format in India and South Korea."
iTunes was launched far before 2006 in Japan. What was launched last year was the iTunes store. And if you say "Mobile is also the dominant digital music format in country B" immediately after mentioning country A, you're saying that mobile is the dominant digital music format in country A. Well, mobile music may account for 90% of digital sales in Japan, but that's not the same as saying it is the dominant digital music format. Legally free music, and illegally free music (pirated music) are being skipped.
If, for example, 90 albums are downloaded in mp3 format in a year (pirated, or indie, or otherwise-unpaid-for), 1 album is purchased in mp3 format in a year, and 9 albums are purchased in mobile format in a year, you have a situation where mobile accounts for 90% of digital sales, but only 9% of digital downloading total.
posted by Bugbread at 3:54 PM on January 17, 2007
"Mobile music accounts for 90% of the digital sales in Japan, although online music sales doubled to roughly 22 million in 2006 after the launch of Apple Computer Inc.'s (AAPL) iTunes in 2006. Mobile is also the dominant digital music format in India and South Korea."
iTunes was launched far before 2006 in Japan. What was launched last year was the iTunes store. And if you say "Mobile is also the dominant digital music format in country B" immediately after mentioning country A, you're saying that mobile is the dominant digital music format in country A. Well, mobile music may account for 90% of digital sales in Japan, but that's not the same as saying it is the dominant digital music format. Legally free music, and illegally free music (pirated music) are being skipped.
If, for example, 90 albums are downloaded in mp3 format in a year (pirated, or indie, or otherwise-unpaid-for), 1 album is purchased in mp3 format in a year, and 9 albums are purchased in mobile format in a year, you have a situation where mobile accounts for 90% of digital sales, but only 9% of digital downloading total.
posted by Bugbread at 3:54 PM on January 17, 2007
the music industry is killing the music industry
posted by localhuman at 4:00 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by localhuman at 4:00 PM on January 17, 2007
As an aside, I would love to find out how many people at the RIAA have non-legal MP3s on their iPods. Not that it would prove or change anything. But if history is any indicator, the people that rail against something the hardest, tend to eventually be revealed as the worst offenders.
posted by quin at 4:24 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by quin at 4:24 PM on January 17, 2007
fuck them right in their fat, greedy asses.
eh, I'd rather shoot the fucking parasites in the face than get any part of my body near them.
posted by MikeKD at 4:41 PM on January 17, 2007
eh, I'd rather shoot the fucking parasites in the face than get any part of my body near them.
posted by MikeKD at 4:41 PM on January 17, 2007
Oh wow, excellent use of the word "adn." -CameraObscura
At least it's not a tag in a post about lysdexia though, amirite?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt - thought it might have been a l'il joke - now I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
posted by Mister_A at 4:52 PM on January 17, 2007
At least it's not a tag in a post about lysdexia though, amirite?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt - thought it might have been a l'il joke - now I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
posted by Mister_A at 4:52 PM on January 17, 2007
What is it that the ISPs own?
(Apostrophe Patrol checking in)
posted by moonbird at 7:37 PM on January 17, 2007
(Apostrophe Patrol checking in)
posted by moonbird at 7:37 PM on January 17, 2007
maybe the isps should just blackhole record company websites, digital music services, artist sites, etc etc if they get sued
see how they like losing that 85 percent
posted by pyramid termite at 8:31 PM on January 17, 2007 [1 favorite]
see how they like losing that 85 percent
posted by pyramid termite at 8:31 PM on January 17, 2007 [1 favorite]
i would put a long bet on those designing, creating, and advancing technology. just a hunch..
posted by dminor at 11:06 PM on January 17, 2007
posted by dminor at 11:06 PM on January 17, 2007
What I never quite understand, is that the computer and electronics industries, both worldwide and in the US, dwarf the movie and music industries, and yet continue to be pushed around by them.
Take for example this table showing the gross output of various industries in the US. In 2005 "Computer and electronic products" output $381.3B while "Motion picture and sound recording industries" output $87.0B. That's ignoring "Publishing industries (includes software)" ($268.2B), "Information and data processing services" ($118.2B) and I would be curious of the TV/Radio versus Internet/Telcomms split in "Broadcasting and telecommunications"s $687.8B.
But movies and music?
posted by markr at 4:35 AM on January 18, 2007
Take for example this table showing the gross output of various industries in the US. In 2005 "Computer and electronic products" output $381.3B while "Motion picture and sound recording industries" output $87.0B. That's ignoring "Publishing industries (includes software)" ($268.2B), "Information and data processing services" ($118.2B) and I would be curious of the TV/Radio versus Internet/Telcomms split in "Broadcasting and telecommunications"s $687.8B.
But movies and music?
posted by markr at 4:35 AM on January 18, 2007
Article: "In early 2006, the IFPI said it believed growth of digital music formats such as mobile would be such that it would compensate for the declines the industry has recorded over the past five years due to illegal file-sharing, piracy and competition from new media."
Yeah, us poor music people are getting ruined by the darn pirates.
(oh, also the fact that people are sick of paying 15 bucks for 8 songs)
posted by Cyclopsis Raptor at 11:53 AM on January 18, 2007
Yeah, us poor music people are getting ruined by the darn pirates.
(oh, also the fact that people are sick of paying 15 bucks for 8 songs)
posted by Cyclopsis Raptor at 11:53 AM on January 18, 2007
Or the fact that six of the eight songs, on about 4 out of 5 albums, suck fat, smelly, manufactured pop ass...
posted by stenseng at 1:56 PM on January 18, 2007
posted by stenseng at 1:56 PM on January 18, 2007
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