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August 27, 2008 7:12 AM Subscribe
Did you watch Michelle Obama's speech the other night at the Democratic National Convention? How do you think she did? If you're not sure, don't worry. Neither was the news media.
This post was deleted for the following reason: Can we please not overdose on this stuff? Can we especially not do so in the form of chat-baiting questions? -- cortex
I've heard of this Obama person ... can you recommend a site where I can learn more about him?
posted by jbickers at 7:16 AM on August 27, 2008
posted by jbickers at 7:16 AM on August 27, 2008
This post isn't great, but the video is worth watching.
(But man, am I sick of Bill Kristol. Just stop smiling, dammit! The man's addicted to Joker Toxin or something.)
posted by grabbingsand at 7:22 AM on August 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
(But man, am I sick of Bill Kristol. Just stop smiling, dammit! The man's addicted to Joker Toxin or something.)
posted by grabbingsand at 7:22 AM on August 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
So the punchline here is disagreement in the media? Isn't that a good thing?
posted by DU at 7:22 AM on August 27, 2008
posted by DU at 7:22 AM on August 27, 2008
Just kidding, I didn't think it was all that great. What I do think is that the Democrats are losing the election with their milquetoast convention and the exhaustive pandering needed to assuage the hurt feelings of Clinton supporters. Next week we will watch the Republicans melt Obama's face off with their constant barrage of character attacks and shameless lies about his record, and in November, the white war hero will win with the help of angry old white ladies. That's what I think.
posted by billysumday at 7:25 AM on August 27, 2008
posted by billysumday at 7:25 AM on August 27, 2008
The punchline is that the obviously and admittedly pro-Democratic anchors on MSNBC liked the speech and the Democratic convention, while the obviously and admittedly pro-Republican anchors didn't? Why is this supposed to be a controversy?
Do you also find it controversial or mysterious when the cheerleaders root for their own teams?
posted by oddman at 7:26 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
Do you also find it controversial or mysterious when the cheerleaders root for their own teams?
posted by oddman at 7:26 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
Neither one of those stations qualify as news media. They are partisan bloviating talking head networks.
On the other hand, none of the broadcast news media qualify as news media either.
posted by madamjujujive at 7:30 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
On the other hand, none of the broadcast news media qualify as news media either.
posted by madamjujujive at 7:30 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
They are obviously pro-Republican, but definitely not admittedly pro-Republican. If they were, and not claiming to be "Fair and Balanced", this wouldn't be an issue.
posted by null terminated at 7:34 AM on August 27, 2008
posted by null terminated at 7:34 AM on August 27, 2008
It didn't curl my toes. It was workman-like, but no catch-your-breath moments. I'd say the same for Hillary's speech last night.
Well, one phrase did stand out for me. When Michelle Obama mentioned that both her family and Barack's taught them that their word was their bond, I coughed, cough*FISA vote*cough.
posted by orthogonality at 7:35 AM on August 27, 2008
Well, one phrase did stand out for me. When Michelle Obama mentioned that both her family and Barack's taught them that their word was their bond, I coughed, cough*FISA vote*cough.
posted by orthogonality at 7:35 AM on August 27, 2008
Kucinich: WAKE UP AMERICA
Unfortunately, telling the truth is not considered good political strategy in the States these days.
posted by First Post at 7:36 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
Unfortunately, telling the truth is not considered good political strategy in the States these days.
posted by First Post at 7:36 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
Can we stop giving these stupid media narratives attention? Before you know it we'll be discussing the quality of her speech and acting like it means anything substantial outside of the world of the Republicans who framed it.
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posted by palidor at 7:41 AM on August 27, 2008
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posted by palidor at 7:41 AM on August 27, 2008
I heard Hillary Clinton's speech on the radio last night, and quite frankly it made me cry in several spots. And I didn't even have the visuals. I like her. It's too bad that so much of the rest of the party can't understand why some people like her so much, because they are not doing their party any favors by alienating her voters. I particularly liked the part of her speech where she asked folks whether they had really been in it all just for her (Clinton), to pull her contingency back into the fold. I thought that was very classy. And the Harriet Tubman quotes were wonderful and inspirational.
posted by onlyconnect at 7:44 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by onlyconnect at 7:44 AM on August 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
On the other hand, none of the broadcast news media qualify as news media either.
Watch Lehrer's team coverage. I had PBS in the living room and my wife had NBC in the kitchen -- NBC was anticipating Hillary Clinton's speech with an unwavering shot of every one of Bill's facial reactions while going on and on about whether she'll support Obama strongly enough, continuing to kick the horse's corpse long after the head had rotted off. Lehrer's team had a round-table discussion with three historians about how the two parties have courted women since the early days of suffrage, adding, you know, context and stuff.
It's still TV journalism, but it's recognizable as actual journalism, not ednewstainment.
posted by middleclasstool at 7:45 AM on August 27, 2008
Watch Lehrer's team coverage. I had PBS in the living room and my wife had NBC in the kitchen -- NBC was anticipating Hillary Clinton's speech with an unwavering shot of every one of Bill's facial reactions while going on and on about whether she'll support Obama strongly enough, continuing to kick the horse's corpse long after the head had rotted off. Lehrer's team had a round-table discussion with three historians about how the two parties have courted women since the early days of suffrage, adding, you know, context and stuff.
It's still TV journalism, but it's recognizable as actual journalism, not ednewstainment.
posted by middleclasstool at 7:45 AM on August 27, 2008
...the exhaustive pandering needed to counter the media narrative of the hurt feelings of Clinton supporters.
FTFY
posted by DU at 7:45 AM on August 27, 2008
FTFY
posted by DU at 7:45 AM on August 27, 2008
I did think that after 2004 they'd do a better job of controlling the narrative, but to have the whole "DEMOCRATS DIVIDED!!" thing going on in the middle of the convention is kind of depressing.
posted by palidor at 7:51 AM on August 27, 2008
posted by palidor at 7:51 AM on August 27, 2008
Unfortunately, telling the truth is not considered good political strategy in the States these days.
That's nothing new; ask Jimmy Carter.
posted by Rangeboy at 7:55 AM on August 27, 2008
That's nothing new; ask Jimmy Carter.
posted by Rangeboy at 7:55 AM on August 27, 2008
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