Do you think that CNN
September 12, 2001 9:15 PM Subscribe
posted by rushmc at 9:27 PM on September 12, 2001
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posted by tizimarc at 10:03 PM on September 12, 2001
I've been flipping around all the news channels and networks more or less constantly. I don't think Fox News has done the best job, but during my time spent there, I have noticed no discernible difference ideologically in their coverage from that of anyone else. In fact, I have noticed the coverage to be remarkably ideology-free across the board, for once. Unless you're the type that considers the mere mention of American resolve or the flying of flags to be the intentional imperialist corporate fanning of jingoistic ultranationalism amongst the peons.
Anyway, I find NBC's coverage to be the best. With NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and CNBC World all running different feeds, the sheer volume of airtime has allowed them to run away with this story.
posted by aaron at 10:09 PM on September 12, 2001
Not that CNN's been perfect--they had Tom Clancy, for crying outloud. Nothing against Tom, but he's a novelist--not a terror expert.
But they DO have Christiane Amanpour, which more than makes up for any misdoing. Anyone else think that she's just the best damn international reporter on the planet?
posted by one.louder.ash! at 10:14 PM on September 12, 2001
posted by kindall at 10:21 PM on September 12, 2001
posted by mathowie at 10:21 PM on September 12, 2001
Or the Republican party.
posted by Rastafari at 10:22 PM on September 12, 2001
While in the car, I heard the FoxNews TV feed on a local FoxSports-affiliated sports talk station, and I had to turn it off, it was so bombastic. That John Gibson guy is unbearable. Ugh.
posted by sbgrove at 10:29 PM on September 12, 2001
It just seems like the tragedy as it stood wasn't enough for Fox, so they felt it necessary to embellish their reports with statements like "There was also a busy mall underneath the Towers where 30,000 additional people could be trapped."
posted by MegoSteve at 10:36 PM on September 12, 2001
Fox News? Not a chance. I was immediately disgusted by their bombastic, outwardly sensationalistic words.
It's been interesting to occasionally hop to ESPN for a different angle on this development.
posted by hijinx at 10:40 PM on September 12, 2001
Overall I would say CNN & NBC (I don't really care about whether they are right wing or left wing.)
posted by riffola at 10:43 PM on September 12, 2001
CBS and Dan Rather have made everything too dramatic. When my parents woke me up, before the second tower had been hit, Dan Rather was using old-fashioned anchor-speak, making it sound as if New York had been nuked.
The three networks, NBC, ABC, and CBS seem to be showing the same footage over and over, perhaps afraid to lead viewers astray (anyone remember Gore winning?) Peter Jennings has been the most satisfying to for me.
CNN and the other cable networks have been giving a wider perspective, as some people have already covered.
And FOX is ridiculous. I walked in on my sister watching and you hear a guy yelling something similar to "Why don't we just bomb the entire damn middle east? I'm tired of waiting. Last time we were civil we had trials. If they touch or soil we have to nuke the bastards. The arabs can't get away with this." Yes, I'm exagerating a little, but it's absurd.
Yeah MeFi!
posted by antimarx at 10:57 PM on September 12, 2001
posted by ao4047 at 11:01 PM on September 12, 2001
If you have a DirecTiVo with the 2.5 software update (and a dual-LNB dish), you can do this with two channels. Watch one for a while, then switch to the other tuner (which has its own half-hour buffer) and scan through to catch anything you missed, then switch back to the original tuner and do it again. Repeat until you are horrified and/or depressed enough to stop.
I spent about an hour surfing this way this evening, swapping between CNN and MSNBC or Fox News.
posted by kindall at 11:17 PM on September 12, 2001
Out of all the coverage I watched tuesday (alot) I was most impressed with BBC TV. One thing that really stood out was that they had something to the effect of "America is reaping the fruit of its human rights abuses around the world". CNN reported this today too, but in much weaker language.
I think the attack was a horrible, inexcusable act, but we do go around abusing the other 5.5 billion humans on earth alot, especially the poor ones, which is basically everyone but us and europe. I don't mean this post as trollbait, but just to say that we should all ask ourselves why so much of the world hates us, some enough to dance with joy at the news of this attack.
posted by eth00 at 11:18 PM on September 12, 2001
I found Rather's delivery strangely compelling and not inappropriate. This was the same tone the greats would have used when covering Pearl Harbor and JFK. If it was appropriate for those events, the worst you could say of it now was that the style is simply out of fashion, or that Rather looked foolish trying to emulate his idols. However, I think Rather truly believes that that is simply how Good Coverage is Done, and he was doing the best job of it he knew how. I'm not entirely sure he's wrong.
posted by kindall at 11:22 PM on September 12, 2001
What little analysis I’ve seen deals with how hard and fast a retaliation should come.
I guess I’m expecting too much.
posted by raaka at 11:24 PM on September 12, 2001
There was an hour or so of Dan Rather at the beginning (I spent about 10 minutes here on MeFi after the original posts and then remembered television and switched it on, and so watched the horror unfold live), oddly, and then they switched to ABC, pretty much exclusively. All the Korean language stations had frequent live voice-over translations of CNN streams.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:44 PM on September 12, 2001
Chris Matthews: So is Bin Laden gonna wake up with his dismembered penis in his mouth or what? Goddamn these godless bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by ttrendel at 11:52 PM on September 12, 2001
Thanks.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:07 AM on September 13, 2001
When I turned on AFN, they had the CNN broadcast until about halfway through the Clancy interview (great speaking voice, and knowledgeable about the subject of intelligence, though not necessarily an expert). When he suggested that more money be spent on intelligence, as opposed to defense, AFN cut to CBS.
I found that, having audio only, CBS was a huge step down. That and Dan Rather constantly apologizing for the "rough" language on the tapes they were playing.
posted by chiheisen at 12:35 AM on September 13, 2001
That question mark at the end of the first sentence was supposed to be a period. Why all of the exclamation points?
1. they are simply under-used.
2. it was a very bad imitation of Chris Matthews. Just be glad you only read it. Chris Matthews' unexplainable enthusiasm is not included in my already limited comedic-repertoire.
posted by ttrendel at 1:12 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by ttrendel at 1:14 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:36 AM on September 13, 2001
Other than that, though, I'd say a decent job done.
posted by topolino at 2:53 AM on September 13, 2001
Painting the USA as a helpless victim is as unhelpful as it is inaccurate.
A large proportion of the worlds inhabitants live in fear of violence, intimidation and death every day. They do not get round the clock media coverage. They do not get mainstream media coverage at all.
posted by asok at 3:44 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by Jase_B at 3:54 AM on September 13, 2001
As far as individuals, I was very surprised by Jane Clayson of the CBC morning program. I despise the "Good Morning/Wake Up!" shows on the three networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) for their never-ending stream of "how to whip up a 7-course meal in 3 minutes, followed by a visit from Martha Stewart!", but I stumbled across her interviewing (I believe) the brother of one of the doomed pilots. Clayson's face was not poised in a standard, Barbara-Walters-issued "this is how pain looks" expression. Instead, Clayson herself appeared to be struggling to get through the emotions; her lips were tight, her voice was tense, and it seemed genuine. Touching.
posted by davidmsc at 4:36 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by elvissinatra at 4:52 AM on September 13, 2001
Maybe it helps the ability to maintain journalistic objectivity when it's not your country that's under attack....though to give them their due, the BBC have managed to be pretty impressive even when their own buildings have been bombed.
posted by jonpollard at 5:07 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by holgate at 5:52 AM on September 13, 2001
NBC is the most feminine, if you will: more personal stories, callouts to family, reactions from civilians, reporters batting back tears. My girlfriend prefers it but it's not for me. New York 1 was on top of things--I saw the gaping hole here first--but I quite frankly place my trust more firmly in the established Big Three and their staffs.
posted by werty at 7:28 AM on September 13, 2001
NBC has been very disappointing. It's nothing specific, just a general feeling that they're missing the boat on some of the threads of the story.
Fox News was disgraceful, just terrible. Others have had Eagleburger on, but they restrained him. On Fox, he was ranting about very inflammatory subjects and never reined in.
CBS has been OK, but are hampered by Rather and (surprisingly, to me) Ed Bradley, who spend an awful lot of time in seeming self-congratulation.
ABC has been solid all around. Jennings has been very moderate, they have been on top of breaking threads to the story (though not always first), and their guests and experts etc. have been top-notch.
The best by far though? CBC Radio, including a 3 hour phone in with Rex Murphy yesterday. He talks like he has marbles in his mouth, but boy can he run a phone-in show.
posted by mikel at 7:36 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by Spirit_VW at 7:46 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by ParisParamus at 7:57 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by ParisParamus at 7:57 AM on September 13, 2001
Metafilter and BBC World Service were my main sources of information.
So, thank you to all the MeFi users who posted updates and pictures and kept the reports accurate and to the point.
posted by netsirk at 8:11 AM on September 13, 2001
They keep saying cell phone calls are coming from the WTC debris. I wonder how much of the concourse is left. I wonder if they're searching via the PATH tunnel and the E, 1-9 and N/R tunnels. Astonishingly, I was almost directly ground zero yesterday on Broadway in a 4/5 train. The air was clearly acrid. Papers were on the Wall Street and Fulton platforms. I can't believe they let the train go there, especially with adjacent buildings in danger of falling.
posted by ParisParamus at 8:30 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by mkn at 8:46 AM on September 13, 2001
Kudos to whichever interviewer let Schwarzkopf spit out "We need to find the bastards who did this and bring them down!" on air, and followed it with no commentary, just a "Thank you, General." and a pitch to the next feature. Stormin' Norman said it better than anyone. Find 'em and don't let them ever ever do it again. Excellent -- I think that was probably a Brokaw interview. He's doing a much better job of this than anything I've ever seen him cover. I'm not a fan of NBC news, but Tom Brokaw is really keeping it together in a great way.
That said, I switch away from NBC when he's not driving the scene -- they're losing me with their repetitious airing of pre-fab "packages" designed for human-interest heartstring tugging. The interviews with firefighters, talking about their fallen comrades and how they're going to go get them out, how they loved Father Mike (Father Michael Judge, the Catholic chaplain of the NYFD who died on Tuesday) gah, what the hell was that for? It didn't add anything of substance, it just served to make everyone feel even more anguish. Cheesy, cheesy, bad, rotten the first time around, when it was repeated a few hours later it was absolutely abominable.
Give me Ollie North getting flag-wavingly patriotic and Pat Robertson calling for a Christian jihad any day -- you can filter their hyperbole and bombast through knowledge of who they are and what they stand for. There is no filter for unabashed appeals to our base emotions or reports designed for no purpose other than to bring us further down in the emotional mire. That's manipulative and wrong, and handsmacks to NBC for it.
posted by Dreama at 8:46 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by ggggarret at 9:03 AM on September 13, 2001
When we watch tv, we've been watching Peter Jennings or the BBC. I have great admiration for Jennings stamina, humanity, and cool-headedness. I'm wondering if the fact that he's Canadian by birth gives him a somewhat different view of this than the US born anchors have.
posted by anastasia at 9:06 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by erogers at 9:07 AM on September 13, 2001
Maybe one of the things we can take away from this is that, when something truly important occurs, no matter what you're watching or listening to, it will be interrupted. That idea, coupled with the resumption of normal programming, will help defuse the networks' attempts at sensationalism.
posted by hijinx at 9:08 AM on September 13, 2001
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posted by aaron at 11:25 AM on September 13, 2001
posted by conquistador at 12:26 PM on September 13, 2001
posted by conquistador at 12:26 PM on September 13, 2001
Oh, yeah...elvissinatra, you are correct. Ashleigh Banfield is the cutest of any of the current newscasters, topped only (maybe) by Jane Clayson.
Ladies: How do Peter, Dan, Aaron, et al, stack up?
posted by davidmsc at 7:46 PM on September 13, 2001
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