"Your dad's a nutter! A skinhead priest!"
April 10, 2013 7:08 AM Subscribe
My boyfriend works as a librarian at a prison. Apparently this movie is quite popular among the male inmates.
posted by pxe2000 at 7:26 AM on April 10, 2013
posted by pxe2000 at 7:26 AM on April 10, 2013
I saw this movie! I thought it was enjoyable as like a movie length episode of "Behind the Music".
posted by chrchr at 7:27 AM on April 10, 2013
posted by chrchr at 7:27 AM on April 10, 2013
Key point:
See, everybody has a story to tell. and that's interesting, in that, in that aspect, but I don't like them songs, and for me they're getting in the way of an interesting human being. Cause I think the songs are kinda slightly cacky. Uh, pop fodder. Somebody's got to do it.posted by pracowity at 7:30 AM on April 10, 2013 [12 favorites]
For being right off the cuff, I thought pretty much everything he said was fairly right on. Nothing super profound, but the first reactions of a reasonably sharp mind.
posted by Trochanter at 7:32 AM on April 10, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by Trochanter at 7:32 AM on April 10, 2013 [5 favorites]
I rather like this mellowed Johnny Lydon.
posted by ThatFuzzyBastard at 7:40 AM on April 10, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by ThatFuzzyBastard at 7:40 AM on April 10, 2013 [5 favorites]
Insane Clown Posse watches Call Me Maybe video
posted by bukvich at 7:40 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by bukvich at 7:40 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
It's pop fodder, but she (and her team) has probably been the biggest influence on the sound of pop music for the last couple of years.
I can think of pure pop acts who are just now catching up with her style of power pop and making hits off it (Taylor Swift, One Direction, Cher Lloyd).
Love her. Don't like Russell Brand.
posted by colie at 7:57 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
I can think of pure pop acts who are just now catching up with her style of power pop and making hits off it (Taylor Swift, One Direction, Cher Lloyd).
Love her. Don't like Russell Brand.
posted by colie at 7:57 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
Johnny Rotten is way better (smarter, etc.) than those guys.
posted by pracowity at 7:57 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by pracowity at 7:57 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
Here's what we need: an American Idol-type show judged by Lyndon, Adam Ant, Courtney Love, Pete Burns, and, uh, Amanda Palmer.
posted by octobersurprise at 8:00 AM on April 10, 2013 [9 favorites]
posted by octobersurprise at 8:00 AM on April 10, 2013 [9 favorites]
Wait, we as a people are still listening to John Lydon in the year of our lord 2013? Are boy bands assembled by creepy Svengalis back?
Please don't take the above as a defense of Katy Perry.
posted by entropicamericana at 8:00 AM on April 10, 2013
Please don't take the above as a defense of Katy Perry.
posted by entropicamericana at 8:00 AM on April 10, 2013
Lydon has been making Filth & The Fury headlines lately with this rants against Red Symons and Carrie "Gold Logie Nomine" Bickmore.
Do I think he's part of the Worldwide Misogynist Alliance?
No. I think he wants headlines.
But there you go.
That butter won't churn itself.
posted by Mezentian at 8:00 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
Do I think he's part of the Worldwide Misogynist Alliance?
No. I think he wants headlines.
But there you go.
That butter won't churn itself.
posted by Mezentian at 8:00 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
He's right about Prometheus, too. WHAT a pile of disorganised cack that was.
posted by Decani at 8:06 AM on April 10, 2013
posted by Decani at 8:06 AM on April 10, 2013
Your dad's a nutter!
A skinhead priest!
Now buy some butter!
A Country Life feast!
posted by Artw at 8:07 AM on April 10, 2013 [18 favorites]
A skinhead priest!
Now buy some butter!
A Country Life feast!
posted by Artw at 8:07 AM on April 10, 2013 [18 favorites]
Did you know that Neil Young made a video response to the Johnny Rotten review? Neil suggests "Hey hey, my my; cacky pop can never die. There's more to the picture than meets the eye. Hey hey, my my."
posted by drlith at 8:22 AM on April 10, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by drlith at 8:22 AM on April 10, 2013 [2 favorites]
Do I think he's part of the Worldwide Misogynist Alliance?
No. I think he wants headlines.
He looks like he could barely be bothered to undertake his own transparent trolling.
posted by jaduncan at 8:25 AM on April 10, 2013 [2 favorites]
No. I think he wants headlines.
He looks like he could barely be bothered to undertake his own transparent trolling.
posted by jaduncan at 8:25 AM on April 10, 2013 [2 favorites]
He should do a show with Beavis and Butthead where they watch old Sex Pistols videos.
posted by colie at 8:29 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by colie at 8:29 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
I would watch that show.
posted by Mister_A at 8:34 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by Mister_A at 8:34 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
He looks like he could barely be bothered to undertake his own transparent trolling.
He's touring with PIL now, or soon.
I figure you're gonna go, or you ain't.
This reminded me PIL were touring, for example.
Anger is an energy.
And Metal Box was a pretty good troll.
posted by Mezentian at 8:47 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
He's touring with PIL now, or soon.
I figure you're gonna go, or you ain't.
This reminded me PIL were touring, for example.
Anger is an energy.
And Metal Box was a pretty good troll.
posted by Mezentian at 8:47 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
When I flew over from England this was on the plane but there were better choices. Even Prometheus I think I preferred, and I hated that film.
I think he's one of us.
posted by zippy at 8:51 AM on April 10, 2013 [2 favorites]
I think he's one of us.
posted by zippy at 8:51 AM on April 10, 2013 [2 favorites]
Compared to Katy Perry, Lydon is a refreshing musical genius and social commenter of epic proportion. That's not saying much. Lydon has always had a hugely inflated ego about his own intelligence and "truth speaking" when in the grand scheme of things, not signing onto a major label and saying things that are offensive just to break taboos does not actually bring about as much good in the world as his arrogance about his traits might suggest. Not to say destroying the fabric of society can't make way for better things, but it can also make way for worse things and cause a lot of harm in the process.
His childhood and evolution is interesting to me in that it mirrors the developmental process of many others I've observed in my life. I think his increased pain threshold from a disturbing amount of illness and family/social strife in his upbringing led him to feel emotionally numb to the experiences of others, not having the same capacity to sense discomfort or moderate levels of pain himself. He was also observing a huge amount of suffering, poverty, and social inequality. While, honestly, there's a huge part of me that extremely admires his tenacious spirit in adversity, to spit in the face of anyone he perceives (correctly or incorrectly) as oppressor, enemy, or threat--- I wonder how a movement that actually had a focus on addressing and repairing the suffering he saw around him rather than just raging and spitting on society in vague occasionally intelligent(ish) rants might have achieved resolution to the passions that drove him more successfully.
That said, I hope that those who have walked through hell (of whatever internal or external sort) and are filled with destructive urges and contempt for others, might also be aided by Johnny's public expression of himself. I kind of wanted more from punk rock than what came of it. A rage and drug fueled delirium that died off due to the consequences of it's own self destructive angst. He didn't invent non-conformity or "be yourself" ethos-- he hung out with a bunch of hippies that supported him in that. He just raged and put on such an insane spectacle of destruction that people paid attention to his particular brand of "being yourself". I still feel a great fondness for him (well my ideas of him), but more in the sense that I share humanity and some common experiential threads with him than that I think his ideas are particularly helpful even towards some of the goals I think he aspires to.
posted by xarnop at 8:51 AM on April 10, 2013 [6 favorites]
His childhood and evolution is interesting to me in that it mirrors the developmental process of many others I've observed in my life. I think his increased pain threshold from a disturbing amount of illness and family/social strife in his upbringing led him to feel emotionally numb to the experiences of others, not having the same capacity to sense discomfort or moderate levels of pain himself. He was also observing a huge amount of suffering, poverty, and social inequality. While, honestly, there's a huge part of me that extremely admires his tenacious spirit in adversity, to spit in the face of anyone he perceives (correctly or incorrectly) as oppressor, enemy, or threat--- I wonder how a movement that actually had a focus on addressing and repairing the suffering he saw around him rather than just raging and spitting on society in vague occasionally intelligent(ish) rants might have achieved resolution to the passions that drove him more successfully.
That said, I hope that those who have walked through hell (of whatever internal or external sort) and are filled with destructive urges and contempt for others, might also be aided by Johnny's public expression of himself. I kind of wanted more from punk rock than what came of it. A rage and drug fueled delirium that died off due to the consequences of it's own self destructive angst. He didn't invent non-conformity or "be yourself" ethos-- he hung out with a bunch of hippies that supported him in that. He just raged and put on such an insane spectacle of destruction that people paid attention to his particular brand of "being yourself". I still feel a great fondness for him (well my ideas of him), but more in the sense that I share humanity and some common experiential threads with him than that I think his ideas are particularly helpful even towards some of the goals I think he aspires to.
posted by xarnop at 8:51 AM on April 10, 2013 [6 favorites]
He just raged and put on such an insane spectacle of destruction that people paid attention to his particular brand of "being yourself".
When you scratch a terrorist you always find a liberal underneath don't you?
posted by colie at 8:55 AM on April 10, 2013
When you scratch a terrorist you always find a liberal underneath don't you?
posted by colie at 8:55 AM on April 10, 2013
I kind of wanted more from punk rock than what came of it.
Didn't we all?
But, whatever you might thing, punk keeps a certain flame alive that might have been snuffed out.
posted by Mezentian at 9:03 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
Didn't we all?
But, whatever you might thing, punk keeps a certain flame alive that might have been snuffed out.
posted by Mezentian at 9:03 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
For being right off the cuff, I thought pretty much everything he said was fairly right on. Nothing super profound, but the first reactions of a reasonably sharp mind.
Really? I thought everything he said was pretty trite and obvious. Not interested in teen pop any more, John? Then why bother to review the movie -- other than to shift some more of your own crappy product?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:07 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
Really? I thought everything he said was pretty trite and obvious. Not interested in teen pop any more, John? Then why bother to review the movie -- other than to shift some more of your own crappy product?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:07 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
The Pistols were notoriously signed to EMI
Notorious? Delightful!
posted by maudlin at 9:47 AM on April 10, 2013
Notorious? Delightful!
posted by maudlin at 9:47 AM on April 10, 2013
I was disappointed; I really actually was hoping to hear Katy Perry attempt to sing "All Of Me." But I guess there are probably ten billion songs called "All Of Me" at this point.
posted by koeselitz at 10:42 AM on April 10, 2013
posted by koeselitz at 10:42 AM on April 10, 2013
xarnop: “His childhood and evolution is interesting to me in that it mirrors the developmental process of many others I've observed in my life. I think his increased pain threshold from a disturbing amount of illness and family/social strife in his upbringing led him to feel emotionally numb to the experiences of others, not having the same capacity to sense discomfort or moderate levels of pain himself. He was also observing a huge amount of suffering, poverty, and social inequality. While, honestly, there's a huge part of me that extremely admires his tenacious spirit in adversity, to spit in the face of anyone he perceives (correctly or incorrectly) as oppressor, enemy, or threat--- I wonder how a movement that actually had a focus on addressing and repairing the suffering he saw around him rather than just raging and spitting on society in vague occasionally intelligent(ish) rants might have achieved resolution to the passions that drove him more successfully.”
This is an interesting but somewhat odd reading of the life of John Lydon. By which I mean – it seems like you're taking maybe three years of his life as sort of the sum total of the man's experience. I don't know. You say this, for instance:
“I kind of wanted more from punk rock than what came of it. A rage and drug fueled delirium that died off due to the consequences of it's own self destructive angst.”
... and I guess I can agree (even if I think that's a rather limited idea of "punk.") But the thing is – so did John Lydon. He wanted more from punk rock than what came of it, and he was tired of the meaningless charade of self-destruction. That's why he started Public Image Limited. In, uh, 1978. So I think he's on board with what you're saying there.
John Lydon very rapidly became quite disillusioned with the Sex Pistols, which he saw clearly as a commercial enterprise dressed up as rebellion and as an act of exploitation by Malcolm McLaren. He hasn't lived the past third of a century dumbly parroting the Pistols as some kind of sham revolution; he moved on, and more power to him for it. And that clearly isn't a new thing. I mean, he was sort of a father figure to Ari Up even before he married her mother in 1981. So the act he might have put on briefly as a guy in the Pistols isn't really a very complete picture of him as a person, I don't think.
But I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean; I might be missing something.
posted by koeselitz at 11:04 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
This is an interesting but somewhat odd reading of the life of John Lydon. By which I mean – it seems like you're taking maybe three years of his life as sort of the sum total of the man's experience. I don't know. You say this, for instance:
“I kind of wanted more from punk rock than what came of it. A rage and drug fueled delirium that died off due to the consequences of it's own self destructive angst.”
... and I guess I can agree (even if I think that's a rather limited idea of "punk.") But the thing is – so did John Lydon. He wanted more from punk rock than what came of it, and he was tired of the meaningless charade of self-destruction. That's why he started Public Image Limited. In, uh, 1978. So I think he's on board with what you're saying there.
John Lydon very rapidly became quite disillusioned with the Sex Pistols, which he saw clearly as a commercial enterprise dressed up as rebellion and as an act of exploitation by Malcolm McLaren. He hasn't lived the past third of a century dumbly parroting the Pistols as some kind of sham revolution; he moved on, and more power to him for it. And that clearly isn't a new thing. I mean, he was sort of a father figure to Ari Up even before he married her mother in 1981. So the act he might have put on briefly as a guy in the Pistols isn't really a very complete picture of him as a person, I don't think.
But I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean; I might be missing something.
posted by koeselitz at 11:04 AM on April 10, 2013 [3 favorites]
"punk keeps a certain flame alive"
Hey punk was already dead when I discovered it in the echoes of Rancids sell out radio punk and it still had meaning for me. I always love a resurgence in intelligence, social commentary and compassionate unifying ethos toward the human condition and plight of those who suffer in music and social movements.
As Rotten was so prone to say, people are offended by "the truth". If the intelligence behind the movement is not so intelligent I plan to point it out- not to snuff out punk rock but to urge more and better. What's more I don't believe the unintelligent deserved to be bullied or mocked or mistreated. Pointing out a person's ideas are false is different than demoting them to a lower status of human. I'm in favor of equality and sneering at the intellectual less endowed is not becoming of a movement that strives for equality.
It is however unspeakably important that policies and power not be dictated by the intellectually and/or empathetically stunted.
koeslitz- I've watched a number of his interviews over the years and even in this one from 1987 he appears kind of dangerously drugged/sociopathic and arrogant as shit- which allows him to "attack people with truth" in his interpretation. Repetitions even in more recent interviews about how the truth is offensive and how noble he is for speaking "truth" even when it "offends" lead me to believe that sometimes he's just a bully using hurtful words and then insulting others for being hurt afterward. This is why I'm saying low empathy. (I'm not conflating low empathy with NO empathy) That said, low empathy and disregard for the consequences of speech to oneself and others can allow some interesting thoughts to be discussed-- accurate and truthful, not necessarily, but sometimes. I think he conflates offensive and hurtful with "truth". That was what I was referring to.
I'd actually love to see more intelligent social commentary in music. We have all this capacity to learn and create an amazing world with huge reductions in human suffering and improvements in human welfare and well being and yet our music is... Katy Perry? I mean, come on, music CAN inspire people to THINK and punk rock was a great force for encouraging young people to value attempts at creative and independent thought, challenging the status quo, acknowledging things that aren't good at present.. and seeking to make improvements to what is. I'm a fan of everything punk rock stood for to me.
posted by xarnop at 11:20 AM on April 10, 2013
Hey punk was already dead when I discovered it in the echoes of Rancids sell out radio punk and it still had meaning for me. I always love a resurgence in intelligence, social commentary and compassionate unifying ethos toward the human condition and plight of those who suffer in music and social movements.
As Rotten was so prone to say, people are offended by "the truth". If the intelligence behind the movement is not so intelligent I plan to point it out- not to snuff out punk rock but to urge more and better. What's more I don't believe the unintelligent deserved to be bullied or mocked or mistreated. Pointing out a person's ideas are false is different than demoting them to a lower status of human. I'm in favor of equality and sneering at the intellectual less endowed is not becoming of a movement that strives for equality.
It is however unspeakably important that policies and power not be dictated by the intellectually and/or empathetically stunted.
koeslitz- I've watched a number of his interviews over the years and even in this one from 1987 he appears kind of dangerously drugged/sociopathic and arrogant as shit- which allows him to "attack people with truth" in his interpretation. Repetitions even in more recent interviews about how the truth is offensive and how noble he is for speaking "truth" even when it "offends" lead me to believe that sometimes he's just a bully using hurtful words and then insulting others for being hurt afterward. This is why I'm saying low empathy. (I'm not conflating low empathy with NO empathy) That said, low empathy and disregard for the consequences of speech to oneself and others can allow some interesting thoughts to be discussed-- accurate and truthful, not necessarily, but sometimes. I think he conflates offensive and hurtful with "truth". That was what I was referring to.
I'd actually love to see more intelligent social commentary in music. We have all this capacity to learn and create an amazing world with huge reductions in human suffering and improvements in human welfare and well being and yet our music is... Katy Perry? I mean, come on, music CAN inspire people to THINK and punk rock was a great force for encouraging young people to value attempts at creative and independent thought, challenging the status quo, acknowledging things that aren't good at present.. and seeking to make improvements to what is. I'm a fan of everything punk rock stood for to me.
posted by xarnop at 11:20 AM on April 10, 2013
Nothing super profound, but the first reactions of a reasonably sharp mind.
I found it fairly banal. And I like Johnny Rotten. A lot.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:24 AM on April 10, 2013
I found it fairly banal. And I like Johnny Rotten. A lot.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:24 AM on April 10, 2013
Counterexample of people doing punk right: Pussy Riot.
posted by jaduncan at 11:26 AM on April 10, 2013 [4 favorites]
posted by jaduncan at 11:26 AM on April 10, 2013 [4 favorites]
However he also calls to mind what they call the truthteller or scapegoat in a dysfunctional family (or society) in which the scapegoat "acts out" and misbehaves so the members of the dysfunctional system can blame the scapegoat for acting out rather than acknowledging that there is some truth in the claims the scapegoat is attacking the family/system with.
posted by xarnop at 11:27 AM on April 10, 2013
posted by xarnop at 11:27 AM on April 10, 2013
He's like a superintelligent Barry Shitpeas. I want him to explain everything to me from now on.
posted by George_Spiggott at 11:43 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by George_Spiggott at 11:43 AM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
Counterexample of people doing punk right: Pussy Riot.
Very true.
posted by colie at 12:13 PM on April 10, 2013
Very true.
posted by colie at 12:13 PM on April 10, 2013
Lydon has been making Filth & The Fury headlines lately with this rants against Red Symons and Carrie "Gold Logie Nomine" Bickmore.
I've been defending him, even though this is a big scandal in Australia. I don't think he was being sexist. I think he was reacting the way anyone would react when confronted with idiotic Australian TV 'personalities'. But I never viewed politeness as a virtue.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 3:31 PM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
I've been defending him, even though this is a big scandal in Australia. I don't think he was being sexist. I think he was reacting the way anyone would react when confronted with idiotic Australian TV 'personalities'. But I never viewed politeness as a virtue.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 3:31 PM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
and saying things that are offensive just to break taboos does not actually bring about as much good in the world as his arrogance about his traits might suggest.
What offensive things does he say? I put him in the Bill Maher category of posturing as an iconoclast without actually being one. Fake rebels are a dime a dozen.
posted by Birchpear at 4:18 PM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
What offensive things does he say? I put him in the Bill Maher category of posturing as an iconoclast without actually being one. Fake rebels are a dime a dozen.
posted by Birchpear at 4:18 PM on April 10, 2013 [1 favorite]
Counterexample of people doing punk right: Pussy Riot.
Jailed Pussy Riot member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova to continue activism
posted by homunculus at 6:52 PM on April 10, 2013
Jailed Pussy Riot member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova to continue activism
posted by homunculus at 6:52 PM on April 10, 2013
What offensive things does he say? I put him in the Bill Maher category of posturing as an iconoclast without actually being one. Fake rebels are a dime a dozen.
I guess you had to be there.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 6:23 AM on April 11, 2013
I guess you had to be there.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 6:23 AM on April 11, 2013
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