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And, if a lot of people make a lot of money and there are a lot of accolades being thrown about, then a lot of credit is going to go to a lot of people, from whoever cut those winning trailers to the designers and animators who got Rocket's fur to look just so to Gunn himself. If comic book people get any credit, chances are it's going to be as a collective (i.e. "Marvel") or under a "Special Thanks" near the end of the end-credit scrawl (IMDb has comics writers Dan Abnett and Andy Lannning receiving writing credit; if that's on the screen near the "written by" credit, then that's awesome).Just before going to see the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, J. Caleb Mozzocco put together a small guide to the featured characters and their creators.
The New York Times also paid attention to the cartoonists behind the Guardians and their fight for credit:
Like millions of moviegoers over the weekend, Bill Mantlo watched “Guardians of the Galaxy,” the Marvel Studios space adventure that sold more than $172 million in tickets worldwide in its first four days of release.To be fair to Marvel, they did organise that private screening for Bill Mantlo.
The film’s success is particularly meaningful to Mr. Mantlo, 62, a comic-book writer who helped create one of the movie’s main characters: the foul-tempered, gun-wielding anthropomorphic Rocket Raccoon.
Mr. Mantlo did not see “Guardians of the Galaxy” in a theater, but in his bed at the nursing home where he is being cared for after a 1992 accident in which he was hit by a car and left with brain damage.
Michael Mantlo, his brother, said Bill owed his health partly to Medicaid and partly to the grass-roots efforts of comics fans, who not only made donations on his behalf but also brought attention to his involvement in creating a character whose value to Marvel had suddenly mushroomed.
As Michael explained in a telephone interview, the focus on his brother has encouraged the studio to reconsider its obligations to him. “The more often Bill’s name gets mentioned, and the more often he is given public credit for something that he did, the easier it is for me to go to Marvel and say, ‘You might want to consider raising your offer.’ ”
The references to Annihilation: Conquest are important, but the article leaves out the preceding event of Annihilation itself (by a number of different creators), which reimagined Drax and Gamora and brought Peter Quill back from obscurity. It was also, I should note, pretty much the best thing that Marvel put out that year. It happened concurrently but separately from Civil War, and was as awesome as CW was lame.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 12:38 AM on August 8, 2014 [6 favorites]
posted by scaryblackdeath at 12:38 AM on August 8, 2014 [6 favorites]
Last Sunday, I called home and my mom said "I need to put your dad on first."
My father, who is 74, said "I only have one thing to say to you: I am Groot."
It was close to the best day of my life.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:17 AM on August 8, 2014 [34 favorites]
My father, who is 74, said "I only have one thing to say to you: I am Groot."
It was close to the best day of my life.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:17 AM on August 8, 2014 [34 favorites]
(while on the subject, Groot Cos-Play. Click the link to his Facebook page for amazing photos of the whole process.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:20 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:20 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Fantastic movie. Loved every minute of it.
Protip: there's a post-credits scene, but if you for some bizarre reason cannot rouse yourself to see the movie again, here's a cam version. Your experience is also not fully complete until you've seen VinDiesel Treesel in stilts recording the "I AM GROOT" line in multiple languages.
Here's the full playlist of the Awesome Mixtape, which is currently burning up the charts:
1. “Hooked on a Feeling” Performed by Blue Swede
2. “Go All the Way” Performed by Raspberries
3. “Spirit in the Sky” * Performed by Norman Greenbaum
4. “Moonage Daydream” Performed by David Bowie
5. “Fooled Around and Fell in Love” Performed by Elvin Bishop
6. “I’m Not in Love” Performed by 10cc
7. “I Want You Back” Performed by Jackson 5
8. “Come and Get Your Love” Performed by Redbone
9. “Cherry Bomb” Performed by The Runaways
10. “Escape (The Piña Colada Song)” Performed by Rupert Holmes
11. “O-O-H Child” Performed by The Five Stairsteps
12. “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough” Performed by Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
And a Spotify playlist (with a bonus track) if you've got it.
Also, in case you missed it, there's a 200+ comment discussion of the movie on the FanFare subsite.
posted by Rhaomi at 1:59 AM on August 8, 2014 [10 favorites]
Protip: there's a post-credits scene, but if you for some bizarre reason cannot rouse yourself to see the movie again, here's a cam version. Your experience is also not fully complete until you've seen Vin
Here's the full playlist of the Awesome Mixtape, which is currently burning up the charts:
1. “Hooked on a Feeling” Performed by Blue Swede
2. “Go All the Way” Performed by Raspberries
3. “Spirit in the Sky” * Performed by Norman Greenbaum
4. “Moonage Daydream” Performed by David Bowie
5. “Fooled Around and Fell in Love” Performed by Elvin Bishop
6. “I’m Not in Love” Performed by 10cc
7. “I Want You Back” Performed by Jackson 5
8. “Come and Get Your Love” Performed by Redbone
9. “Cherry Bomb” Performed by The Runaways
10. “Escape (The Piña Colada Song)” Performed by Rupert Holmes
11. “O-O-H Child” Performed by The Five Stairsteps
12. “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough” Performed by Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
And a Spotify playlist (with a bonus track) if you've got it.
Also, in case you missed it, there's a 200+ comment discussion of the movie on the FanFare subsite.
posted by Rhaomi at 1:59 AM on August 8, 2014 [10 favorites]
Nothing is going to dissuade me from the belief that the true inspiration for Rocket Raccoon was Rocket J. Squirrel.
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:34 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:34 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
So... I haven't seen the movie yet, but am I right in believing that it features Thanos, yet not Adam Warlock? Admittedly, I most certainly have not been keeping up on my Marvel reading, but I sorta thought those two went together...
posted by bouvin at 3:38 AM on August 8, 2014
posted by bouvin at 3:38 AM on August 8, 2014
I had been waiting to see this movie since seeing the first trailer, bought tickets a week in advance (only 'cause they weren't selling tickets two weeks in advance) to see it in IMAX the night before opening day.
It was worth the wait. One of the best parts was my introduction to The Runaway's song "Cherry Bomb". How had I not heard this before?!
Also, the movie was colorful, both literally and in tone! So much occurred during the daylight, with brightly colored spaceships! Gamora was green, Dax grey and red, Rocket brown and orange, Ronan had a lot of purple, Nebula was blue, etc, etc! So great, along with the awesome soundtrack.
So... I haven't seen the movie yet, but am I right in believing that it features Thanos, yet not Adam Warlock?
Adam Warlock IS in the film, sort of, director James Gunn confirmed it. A cocoon which contains Warlock is seen in a glass container in a museum. Later, after an explosion, the container and cocoon are seen in the background, both broken open.
So Warlock will show up later in some other film and since Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel gets her powers from Adam Warlock....
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:48 AM on August 8, 2014 [5 favorites]
It was worth the wait. One of the best parts was my introduction to The Runaway's song "Cherry Bomb". How had I not heard this before?!
Also, the movie was colorful, both literally and in tone! So much occurred during the daylight, with brightly colored spaceships! Gamora was green, Dax grey and red, Rocket brown and orange, Ronan had a lot of purple, Nebula was blue, etc, etc! So great, along with the awesome soundtrack.
So... I haven't seen the movie yet, but am I right in believing that it features Thanos, yet not Adam Warlock?
Adam Warlock IS in the film, sort of, director James Gunn confirmed it. A cocoon which contains Warlock is seen in a glass container in a museum. Later, after an explosion, the container and cocoon are seen in the background, both broken open.
So Warlock will show up later in some other film and since Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel gets her powers from Adam Warlock....
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:48 AM on August 8, 2014 [5 favorites]
Carol Danvers Captain Marvel film confirmed!
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:50 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:50 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Nothing is confirmed, except next year's Avengers movie will have four prominent female roles, which are Black Widow, Scarlet Widow, Agent Hill(?) and one other unknown role. Hmmm.
Anyway, glad to hear Bill Mantlo is getting a bit of recognition and help. The guy was an excellent writer who really understood the comics medium. Definitely consider donating to help with medical care.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:01 AM on August 8, 2014
Anyway, glad to hear Bill Mantlo is getting a bit of recognition and help. The guy was an excellent writer who really understood the comics medium. Definitely consider donating to help with medical care.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:01 AM on August 8, 2014
It's good to see Gene Colan get a mention; he's one of those artists who tends to be forgotten, but absolutely shouldn't be. In addition to co-creating Yondu in the original Guardians of the Galaxy (and recast as a mercenary in the movie), he's also one of the creators of the Falcon and Blade (as well as a character who has an after-the-end-credits cameo). His work was moody and evocative in a way that few could match, and ideally suited for Tomb of Dracula, which he worked on with Marv Wolfman (the creator of Nova), and also Daredevil, although his run on that title was overshadowed by his successor, Frank Miller.
posted by Halloween Jack at 4:25 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Halloween Jack at 4:25 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
So Warlock will show up later in some other film and since Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel gets her powers from Adam Warlock….
Nerd pedant correction: Carol Danvers never got powers from Adam Warlock. Originally, she got powers from an incident involving the Kree Captain Mar-Vell; later, after losing those powers, she got new ones when the Brood in the X-Men comics messed with her. It's Gamora who, in the comics, got a power upgrade courtesy of Adam Warlock.
Personally, I'd like to see Carol in the movies become the first and only Captain Marvel, so maybe she can just get her powers from a Kree gadget without a male predecessor in the mix at all. Throw in some Quasar stuff -- Epoch, the female Eon, could be the one to appoint her Protector of the Universe -- and relegate Mar-Vell to a historical reference that explains why the "Captain Marvel" name resounds through the universe. (Maybe "Mar-Vell" is just the Cosmic Language term for "protector of the Universe" or something?)
posted by kewb at 4:32 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Nerd pedant correction: Carol Danvers never got powers from Adam Warlock. Originally, she got powers from an incident involving the Kree Captain Mar-Vell; later, after losing those powers, she got new ones when the Brood in the X-Men comics messed with her. It's Gamora who, in the comics, got a power upgrade courtesy of Adam Warlock.
Personally, I'd like to see Carol in the movies become the first and only Captain Marvel, so maybe she can just get her powers from a Kree gadget without a male predecessor in the mix at all. Throw in some Quasar stuff -- Epoch, the female Eon, could be the one to appoint her Protector of the Universe -- and relegate Mar-Vell to a historical reference that explains why the "Captain Marvel" name resounds through the universe. (Maybe "Mar-Vell" is just the Cosmic Language term for "protector of the Universe" or something?)
posted by kewb at 4:32 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
as well as a character who has an after-the-end-credits cameo
Imagine if they did a proper movie with that particular character, that would both be great and incredibly awkward, considering what happened to that character's main creator.
posted by MartinWisse at 5:17 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Imagine if they did a proper movie with that particular character, that would both be great and incredibly awkward, considering what happened to that character's main creator.
posted by MartinWisse at 5:17 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Nerd pedant correction: Carol Danvers never got powers from Adam Warlock.
Really? Shoot, there was the makings of a great theory there.
Imagine if they did a proper movie with that particular character, that would both be great and incredibly awkward, considering what happened to that character's main creator.
What happened to that character's main creator?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:55 AM on August 8, 2014
Really? Shoot, there was the makings of a great theory there.
Imagine if they did a proper movie with that particular character, that would both be great and incredibly awkward, considering what happened to that character's main creator.
What happened to that character's main creator?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:55 AM on August 8, 2014
Disney had suckered Marvel into allowing them to decide on the look of that character, somehow. They made him look like a hobo. Disney now owns Marvel.
posted by Yowser at 6:09 AM on August 8, 2014
posted by Yowser at 6:09 AM on August 8, 2014
The rare occurance of Disney suing the pants on someone.
posted by inturnaround at 6:10 AM on August 8, 2014 [13 favorites]
posted by inturnaround at 6:10 AM on August 8, 2014 [13 favorites]
Disney threatened legal action on the grounds that Howard looked too much like Donald, if memory serves.
posted by IAmUnaware at 6:11 AM on August 8, 2014
posted by IAmUnaware at 6:11 AM on August 8, 2014
Imagine if they did a proper movie with that particular character . . .
Have we really forgotten that they did, and that it was one of the most colossal and spectacular, even legendary failures of all time? I grow old. Yo soy Groot.
posted by The Bellman at 6:16 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
Have we really forgotten that they did, and that it was one of the most colossal and spectacular, even legendary failures of all time? I grow old. Yo soy Groot.
posted by The Bellman at 6:16 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
After James Gunn and Marvel got some static from people concerned about Bill Mantlo's situation, Bill Mantlo's brother Michael wrote this on Facebook:
"FOLKS, FOLKS, FOLKS.....please, enough of the hating on Marvel. Marvel has compensated, is compensating, and will continue to compensate Bill well into the future for anything that he's entitled to compensation for. Please don't spread false or malicious rumors, gang. Bill's relationship with Marvel is EXCELLENT, and I wish for it to continue to be so. And all the false or exaggerated 'facts' being tossed around about his accident (he was NOT in a coma for 'years,' and the family was NOT put into financial ruin or destitution, among other WRONG 'facts'). Yes, Bill was the victim of a horrible and tragic accident. Blowing everything out of proportion does no one any good. You guys (ALL OF YOU) have been a Godsend to Bill for these past 22 years by keeping his name & reputation alive, and by continuing to champion my cause of helping him improve his quality of life in whatever way I can, and I thank you ALL sincerely for that. Please, let's try some positive energy for the future, so that BILL MANTLO WILL RULE FOREVER!"
It's good enough for me if the person who is closest to the situation, his guardian, feels his brother is getting a square deal.
posted by inturnaround at 6:16 AM on August 8, 2014 [8 favorites]
"FOLKS, FOLKS, FOLKS.....please, enough of the hating on Marvel. Marvel has compensated, is compensating, and will continue to compensate Bill well into the future for anything that he's entitled to compensation for. Please don't spread false or malicious rumors, gang. Bill's relationship with Marvel is EXCELLENT, and I wish for it to continue to be so. And all the false or exaggerated 'facts' being tossed around about his accident (he was NOT in a coma for 'years,' and the family was NOT put into financial ruin or destitution, among other WRONG 'facts'). Yes, Bill was the victim of a horrible and tragic accident. Blowing everything out of proportion does no one any good. You guys (ALL OF YOU) have been a Godsend to Bill for these past 22 years by keeping his name & reputation alive, and by continuing to champion my cause of helping him improve his quality of life in whatever way I can, and I thank you ALL sincerely for that. Please, let's try some positive energy for the future, so that BILL MANTLO WILL RULE FOREVER!"
It's good enough for me if the person who is closest to the situation, his guardian, feels his brother is getting a square deal.
posted by inturnaround at 6:16 AM on August 8, 2014 [8 favorites]
Have we really forgotten that they did, and that it was one of the most colossal and spectacular, even legendary failures of all time?
Could one really call that a "proper" movie, though.
/ducknips
posted by inturnaround at 6:17 AM on August 8, 2014 [2 favorites]
Could one really call that a "proper" movie, though.
/ducknips
posted by inturnaround at 6:17 AM on August 8, 2014 [2 favorites]
Have we really forgotten that they did, and that it was one of the most colossal and spectacular, even legendary failures of all time?
True, but the base stories are solid (better than GotG's, actually.) You won't often hear me say "reboot," but: Reboot.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:23 AM on August 8, 2014
True, but the base stories are solid (better than GotG's, actually.) You won't often hear me say "reboot," but: Reboot.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:23 AM on August 8, 2014
No movie involving Lea Thompson in skimpy lavender underwear attempting to seduce a talking duck can be considered a complete failure.
posted by delfin at 6:26 AM on August 8, 2014 [13 favorites]
posted by delfin at 6:26 AM on August 8, 2014 [13 favorites]
Still waiting for *this* Guardians of the Galaxy.
posted by symbioid at 6:28 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by symbioid at 6:28 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
All the main actors from Howard the Duck are still alive, so I'm holding out for a shot-for-shot remake. Maybe chuck in Sean Bean as well for some reason. Smash hit for Marvel's Phase 3 or 4.
posted by The River Ivel at 6:34 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by The River Ivel at 6:34 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
No movie involving Lea Thompson in skimpy lavender underwear attempting to seduce a talking duck can be considered a complete failure.
No "oh man this was so hot when I was 11" scene fails quite so miserably on reviewing as that one.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:37 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
No "oh man this was so hot when I was 11" scene fails quite so miserably on reviewing as that one.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:37 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
I'm blaming it on the fever and possible food posioning I was suffering while watching this otherwise delightful movie but I kept getting unnerved by how oddly attractive I found the blue space Texan.
I mean what the hell brain?
posted by The Whelk at 7:18 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
I mean what the hell brain?
posted by The Whelk at 7:18 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
I mean what the hell brain?
You have simply fallen under the sway of The Rook.
posted by mightygodking at 7:21 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
You have simply fallen under the sway of The Rook.
posted by mightygodking at 7:21 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
I mean what the hell brain?
This is because Yondu is quietly one of the most intriguing characters of the movie.
You have no idea how much of his act is an act. He seems to be mostly bluster and bad looks, right up until he starts an epic space battle with his personal pirate armada. He threatens and bullies constantly with his mysterious weapon and menacing quips, but it seems to be the same tired schtick again and again, well worn - right up until he kills a dozen Necrons without breaking a sweat.
Also, who is his mysterious buyer, if not Thanos, Ronan or The Collector? Why does he really want to know who else is after the gem from his fence?
Is he a villain? Anti-hero? Or flat out hero in a very clever disguise? He raised Quill, remember, who is crafty, criminal, self-serving and also deeply moral, committed to self-sacrifice in times of gravest need.
Or is he really as he seems, a competent rogue looking for revenge and a paycheck at any cost?
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:44 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
This is because Yondu is quietly one of the most intriguing characters of the movie.
You have no idea how much of his act is an act. He seems to be mostly bluster and bad looks, right up until he starts an epic space battle with his personal pirate armada. He threatens and bullies constantly with his mysterious weapon and menacing quips, but it seems to be the same tired schtick again and again, well worn - right up until he kills a dozen Necrons without breaking a sweat.
Also, who is his mysterious buyer, if not Thanos, Ronan or The Collector? Why does he really want to know who else is after the gem from his fence?
Is he a villain? Anti-hero? Or flat out hero in a very clever disguise? He raised Quill, remember, who is crafty, criminal, self-serving and also deeply moral, committed to self-sacrifice in times of gravest need.
Or is he really as he seems, a competent rogue looking for revenge and a paycheck at any cost?
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:44 AM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
I mean what the hell brain?
Honestly, I think they did a really good job with the makeup, lighting and shooting him and then the color grading. 'Cause his skin almost looks like something you'd want to lick or eat, color wise and I'm not even gay. Throw in the Rook's magnetism and it's starts getting a bit uncomfortable.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:45 AM on August 8, 2014
Honestly, I think they did a really good job with the makeup, lighting and shooting him and then the color grading. 'Cause his skin almost looks like something you'd want to lick or eat, color wise and I'm not even gay. Throw in the Rook's magnetism and it's starts getting a bit uncomfortable.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:45 AM on August 8, 2014
Remember kids, we're going to see a remake if Howard the Duck king before we see a Black Widow or Captain Marvel movie. I think Phase 4 looks something like this:
Man Thing
Micronauts
Howard the Duck
Captain Marvel. Maybe. Unless we want to do a Machine Man or US1 movie first.
posted by happyroach at 8:19 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Man Thing
Micronauts
Howard the Duck
Captain Marvel. Maybe. Unless we want to do a Machine Man or US1 movie first.
posted by happyroach at 8:19 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
If Phase 1 was based on stories and characters from the 60s, and Phase 2 was based on stories and characters from the 70s, then Phase 4 is going to suck.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 8:23 AM on August 8, 2014
posted by 1970s Antihero at 8:23 AM on August 8, 2014
I went to see it again last night, this time dragging along my dad. God damn, is it a fun movie! It's kind of miraculous that Marvel decided to hand a cult director (and Troma alum) $170M to make a comedic space opera involving a gun toting raccoon... and it was a hit! Whatever timeline we're on, it's not the darkest.
Also, when I first watched IRON MAN 1, I never imagined we'd be seeing a certain someone in the post-credits stinger of one of these movies. It felt like the filmmakers were saying, "You think this movie was bonkers? We haven't even gotten to the weird shit yet."
posted by brundlefly at 8:27 AM on August 8, 2014 [2 favorites]
Also, when I first watched IRON MAN 1, I never imagined we'd be seeing a certain someone in the post-credits stinger of one of these movies. It felt like the filmmakers were saying, "You think this movie was bonkers? We haven't even gotten to the weird shit yet."
posted by brundlefly at 8:27 AM on August 8, 2014 [2 favorites]
Phase 4 is going to suck.
Power Pack, The Punisher, Cloak and Dagger, New Warriors. Make an Avengers out of that!
"Teenagers, babysit. Kids, behave. Cloak, Dagger, you act as a distraction while I knife the Beyonder."
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:30 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Power Pack, The Punisher, Cloak and Dagger, New Warriors. Make an Avengers out of that!
"Teenagers, babysit. Kids, behave. Cloak, Dagger, you act as a distraction while I knife the Beyonder."
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:30 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
We had a discussion afterwards if they digitally punched up his blue skin in post cause he was Very Bright and Very Blue.
( I have some reservations with the movie, which zi 80% enjoyed but came away with feeling that there was a slinky modified cut Floating around I would've liked better, and the standard "boring villain" and "required CGI smash up forth act." complaints. I want to see it again when I'm not feverish and kinda loopy and questioning my taste in Spacemens at least.)
posted by The Whelk at 8:32 AM on August 8, 2014
( I have some reservations with the movie, which zi 80% enjoyed but came away with feeling that there was a slinky modified cut Floating around I would've liked better, and the standard "boring villain" and "required CGI smash up forth act." complaints. I want to see it again when I'm not feverish and kinda loopy and questioning my taste in Spacemens at least.)
posted by The Whelk at 8:32 AM on August 8, 2014
Power Pack, The Punisher, Cloak and Dagger, New Warriors.
That would be part of Phase 3.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 8:33 AM on August 8, 2014
That would be part of Phase 3.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 8:33 AM on August 8, 2014
Power Pack, The Punisher, Cloak and Dagger, New Warriors.
That would be part of Phase 3.
posted by 1970s Antihero
Epony-, oh, you know the drill by now.
posted by Rangeboy at 8:43 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
That would be part of Phase 3.
posted by 1970s Antihero
Epony-, oh, you know the drill by now.
posted by Rangeboy at 8:43 AM on August 8, 2014 [3 favorites]
My father, who is 74, said "I only have one thing to say to you: I am Groot."
Is there a story behind this? I may have missed it, and I need to know.
Regarding Captain "Carol Danvers" Marvel and Katee Sackoff's complete tease of late... she kills me. Dead. And I am not even a huge fan (that said, the last Captain Marvel I read, with the "Ivanova from B5" scene? That was so cool I thought I was in ice and my kidneys were as stolen as that scene!
I think it will happen. Must happen. For two reasons: Marvel. Katniss. Beating Wonder Woman out of spite. The first two, the third is just hilariously musing.
Me? I want to see Monica's Captain Marvel. But I grew up with Roger Stern's Avengers. With Namor, and Hercules, and a Captain Marvel who commanded Captain America's respect. But I digress.
posted by Mezentian at 9:30 AM on August 8, 2014
Is there a story behind this? I may have missed it, and I need to know.
Regarding Captain "Carol Danvers" Marvel and Katee Sackoff's complete tease of late... she kills me. Dead. And I am not even a huge fan (that said, the last Captain Marvel I read, with the "Ivanova from B5" scene? That was so cool I thought I was in ice and my kidneys were as stolen as that scene!
I think it will happen. Must happen. For two reasons: Marvel. Katniss. Beating Wonder Woman out of spite. The first two, the third is just hilariously musing.
Me? I want to see Monica's Captain Marvel. But I grew up with Roger Stern's Avengers. With Namor, and Hercules, and a Captain Marvel who commanded Captain America's respect. But I digress.
posted by Mezentian at 9:30 AM on August 8, 2014
I'm going to tell you just once. You say anything bad about Power Pack and I will gut you.
posted by oddman at 9:58 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by oddman at 9:58 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Whatever. Just tell me when I'm getting a Runaways flick.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:17 AM on August 8, 2014
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:17 AM on August 8, 2014
Joss wants a Runaways movie.
Marvel managed to make GotG.
Can you imagine a universe in which Runaways won't happen?
(Me? I think it's a perfect 10 episode season now ala Utopia mixed with Avengers Academy, and Arena.... And Undercover)
posted by Mezentian at 10:29 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Marvel managed to make GotG.
Can you imagine a universe in which Runaways won't happen?
(Me? I think it's a perfect 10 episode season now ala Utopia mixed with Avengers Academy, and Arena.... And Undercover)
posted by Mezentian at 10:29 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Marvel's TV track record is iffy, but Runaways would be even better as a series. One season for volume one, maybe two for volume three, and two could be stretched almost indefinitely.
I just really need to see little Molly Hayes punch out Wolverine.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:44 AM on August 8, 2014
I just really need to see little Molly Hayes punch out Wolverine.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:44 AM on August 8, 2014
Also, who is his mysterious buyer, if not Thanos, Ronan or The Collector? Why does he really want to know who else is after the gem from his fence?
I think Yondu's original buyer was the Broker, his fence. When the Broker backed out upon learning of Ronan's involvement, Yondu decided he'd go straight to the source, and knew that the great levels of interest meant that he needed to know more about what was going on, if only to get the best price. Since the Broker is alive at the end, it suggests that Yondu got his information.
So, who is this buyer? It is entirely feasible for it to be The Collector (either directly or through another intermediary) or Thanos himself (through an intermediary...if Ronan scared off the Broker, then I think Thanos would too). Both of them are the sort who might have several lines of approach going on getting what they want, and they don't really care which one pans out.
While this is certainly a possible opening for a sequel (hey, it turns out it's Peter's dad!), it's not one I'll be worried about if they don't choose to cover it.
Incidentally, agreed on the other points about Yondu; he really seems like he's nothing too much, maybe Jabba-equivalent in power and story role, but then he keeps putting unexpected spins on it.
posted by Four Ds at 11:25 AM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
> Whatever. Just tell me when I'm getting a Runaways flick.
Not these Runaways, I guess.
posted by The corpse in the library at 11:28 AM on August 8, 2014
Not these Runaways, I guess.
posted by The corpse in the library at 11:28 AM on August 8, 2014
I just really need to see little Molly Hayes punch out Wolverine.
I just hope you haven't been paying attention to X-Men thingy or adjectively whasit
Princess Powerful turns up.
just....not.
posted by Mezentian at 11:36 AM on August 8, 2014
I just hope you haven't been paying attention to X-Men thingy or adjectively whasit
Princess Powerful turns up.
just....not.
posted by Mezentian at 11:36 AM on August 8, 2014
Yeah, that has proved somewhat disappointing.
Although I did enjoy "We've met like six times!"
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:38 AM on August 8, 2014
Although I did enjoy "We've met like six times!"
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:38 AM on August 8, 2014
In conclusion, and I think we agree: RUNAWAYS On Netflix (or whatever) yesrterday.
posted by Mezentian at 11:40 AM on August 8, 2014
posted by Mezentian at 11:40 AM on August 8, 2014
Incidentally, agreed on the other points about Yondu; he really seems like he's nothing too much, maybe Jabba-equivalent in power and story role, but then he keeps putting unexpected spins on it.
He's Peter's dad, isn't he? He nabbed him right after mom died, and kept him alive. He even refers to himself as an angel at the end.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2014
He's Peter's dad, isn't he? He nabbed him right after mom died, and kept him alive. He even refers to himself as an angel at the end.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:52 AM on August 8, 2014
He's Peter's dad, isn't he?
Spoilers?
Dickhead of SPARTAX is his dad in the comic, and they have pushed J'Son (ugh) a lot so, I figure that tis there they will end up. Not having seen the film.
posted by Mezentian at 12:04 PM on August 8, 2014
Spoilers?
Dickhead of SPARTAX is his dad in the comic, and they have pushed J'Son (ugh) a lot so, I figure that tis there they will end up. Not having seen the film.
posted by Mezentian at 12:04 PM on August 8, 2014
It doesn't seem like they're heading in the same direction as the comics. Gunn has said only four people know who Quill's dad is, which appears to rule that out.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:16 PM on August 8, 2014
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:16 PM on August 8, 2014
Gunn has said only four people know who Quill's dad is
I think he means in-universe. Of those four, we know of three: his mother and father themselves, and Yondu who was hired by Pete's father to pick him up.
posted by Freon at 12:29 PM on August 8, 2014
I think he means in-universe. Of those four, we know of three: his mother and father themselves, and Yondu who was hired by Pete's father to pick him up.
posted by Freon at 12:29 PM on August 8, 2014
Of those four, we know of three: his mother and father themselves, and Yondu who was hired by Pete's father to pick him up.
The fourth, of course, is UATU THE WATCHER, WHO WATCHES AND SEES ALL! /kirbyhand
posted by The Tensor at 12:34 PM on August 8, 2014 [5 favorites]
The fourth, of course, is UATU THE WATCHER, WHO WATCHES AND SEES ALL! /kirbyhand
posted by The Tensor at 12:34 PM on August 8, 2014 [5 favorites]
Hrm. One of the four is Gunn's brother, but he also played Yondu's second-in-command, so that could work either way.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:34 PM on August 8, 2014
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:34 PM on August 8, 2014
ChurchHatesTucker: "He's Peter's dad, isn't he? He nabbed him right after mom died, and kept him alive. He even refers to himself as an angel at the end."
He says he may be as pretty as an angel but is not one. That was more of a thematic connection than anything else, I think. So, more of a flawed father figure than a literal father.
When he and his second in command (Sean Gunn) take off at the end they mention that Peter's dad hired them to retrieve Peter, but they decided to keep Peter instead.
posted by brundlefly at 1:11 PM on August 8, 2014
He says he may be as pretty as an angel but is not one. That was more of a thematic connection than anything else, I think. So, more of a flawed father figure than a literal father.
When he and his second in command (Sean Gunn) take off at the end they mention that Peter's dad hired them to retrieve Peter, but they decided to keep Peter instead.
posted by brundlefly at 1:11 PM on August 8, 2014
ChurchHatesTucker: "Hrm. One of the four is Gunn's brother, but he also played Yondu's second-in-command, so that could work either way."
In addition to playing the second in command, Sean Gunn did the mocap work for Rocket and Thanos, although he obviously didn't provide the voices. Apparently he improvised the line, "Well now I'm standing. Happy? We're all standing, a bunch of idiots standing in a circle."
posted by brundlefly at 1:15 PM on August 8, 2014
In addition to playing the second in command, Sean Gunn did the mocap work for Rocket and Thanos, although he obviously didn't provide the voices. Apparently he improvised the line, "Well now I'm standing. Happy? We're all standing, a bunch of idiots standing in a circle."
posted by brundlefly at 1:15 PM on August 8, 2014
In addition to playing the second in command, Sean Gunn did the mocap work for Rocket and Thanos
And every time he was onscreen, all I could think was, "KIRK...IN...SPAAAAAAAAACE!"
posted by Rangeboy at 1:51 PM on August 8, 2014
And every time he was onscreen, all I could think was, "KIRK...IN...SPAAAAAAAAACE!"
posted by Rangeboy at 1:51 PM on August 8, 2014
I keep hoping the untitled Marvel project on IMDB is going to be She-Hulk, specifically the Dan Slott version where she becomes a cosmic judge. She-Hulk is the best.
I would also accept the Defenders, though I don't know who replaces the Silver Surfer if he's tied up w/ the Fantastic Four. Beta-Ray Bill, why not?
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 1:57 PM on August 8, 2014
I would also accept the Defenders, though I don't know who replaces the Silver Surfer if he's tied up w/ the Fantastic Four. Beta-Ray Bill, why not?
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 1:57 PM on August 8, 2014
The Defenders are going to be a mini-series on Netflix
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:01 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:01 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'd like to know the story how "Spirit in the Sky" made the Awesome Mix soundtrack album but was cut from the movie. (the * in the track listing meant *Not in film). Somebody got sensitive over a potential "Christ Analogy"? (Because Marvel saves that for the multi-ressurrected Captain America?)
I am a little disappointed the Awesome Mix didn't hit #1 on the Billboard chart, replacing Weird Al's "Mandatory Fun" (which is, in its own way, kind of a 'mix tape' format), but it's fun to see people already making proposals for [SEMI-SPOILER] Awesome Mix Vol. 2.
The one piece of Guardian-alia I want right now is [ALSO SPOILISH] the tiny potted dancing Groot (preferably mechanized)... but NOT as part of a 'Collector's Set' for $359. Sheesh.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:10 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
I am a little disappointed the Awesome Mix didn't hit #1 on the Billboard chart, replacing Weird Al's "Mandatory Fun" (which is, in its own way, kind of a 'mix tape' format), but it's fun to see people already making proposals for [SEMI-SPOILER] Awesome Mix Vol. 2.
The one piece of Guardian-alia I want right now is [ALSO SPOILISH] the tiny potted dancing Groot (preferably mechanized)... but NOT as part of a 'Collector's Set' for $359. Sheesh.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:10 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
I started to instantly come up with an Awesome Mix Volume 2, cause there are some TERRIBLE OMISSIONS from a proper list of goofy glam rock anthems. I mean, you need some Sweet on there, Drive In Saturday By Bowie, Tello's cover of "Tell Him" , ELO's Don't Bring Me Down, Ballrooms Of Mars by T-Rex, and slip in "Love and Romance" by the Slits.
That's my mix tape for exploring SPACE and having ADVENTURES I mean.
posted by The Whelk at 3:17 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
That's my mix tape for exploring SPACE and having ADVENTURES I mean.
posted by The Whelk at 3:17 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Also the lack of Queen is UNREASONABLE I TELL YOU
posted by The Whelk at 3:17 PM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 3:17 PM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
Also when Quill does catch sight of his homeworld again after all these years, it should be shot like 2001 but have Heaven Is A Place On Earth playing.
posted by The Whelk at 3:24 PM on August 8, 2014
posted by The Whelk at 3:24 PM on August 8, 2014
Also when we do get any Kissing Scene ( for anyone, really) it should be set to Blondie's Atomic.
I have lots of opinions someone hire me because of them.
posted by The Whelk at 3:31 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
I have lots of opinions someone hire me because of them.
posted by The Whelk at 3:31 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Unfortunately, "Heaven Is A Place On Earth" came out in 1987, so it'd be a little after Quill's Mixtape era. They could always play something by Rare Earth, Earth Wind & Fire, or Manfred Mann's Earth Band... but then, I have lots of opinions that nobody will hire me for.
At least they had the good sense to use David Bowie while steering clear of Major Tom. (Also no "Rocket Man". Smart... or "Dancing in Heaven" or "Final Countdown" which were definitely '80s. ) The jury is still out on "The Joker (Some People Call Me the Space Cowboy)", but I see they used a different Steve Miller song...
And I'm in full agreement with you on Queen. But maybe they shied away because of the Flash Gordon soundtrack...
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:29 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
At least they had the good sense to use David Bowie while steering clear of Major Tom. (Also no "Rocket Man". Smart... or "Dancing in Heaven" or "Final Countdown" which were definitely '80s. ) The jury is still out on "The Joker (Some People Call Me the Space Cowboy)", but I see they used a different Steve Miller song...
And I'm in full agreement with you on Queen. But maybe they shied away because of the Flash Gordon soundtrack...
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:29 PM on August 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
Pretty sure that Awesome Mix vol II should also contain some Frampton, perhaps "Something's Happening."
I think the second trailer used "Spirit In The Sky." I remember having incredible confusion over the soundtracks to the trailers but they really do fit thematically and were much better choices than "Yet Another Use of 'Lux Aeterna.'"
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 4:31 PM on August 8, 2014
I think the second trailer used "Spirit In The Sky." I remember having incredible confusion over the soundtracks to the trailers but they really do fit thematically and were much better choices than "Yet Another Use of 'Lux Aeterna.'"
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 4:31 PM on August 8, 2014
But maybe they shied away because of the Flash Gordon soundtrack...
The thing is, I don't know who owns Flash Gordon, maybe there was a problem in getting it, but Fladh Gordon's 70s reboot by Queen is basically Captain America In Space and shoving The Seven Seas Of Ryne into this 70s style adventure movie would've been DELICIOUS.
Go listen to Sweet's Wig Wam Bam and then imagine the Guardians Of The Galaxy having a bar fight set to it.
posted by The Whelk at 5:39 PM on August 8, 2014
The thing is, I don't know who owns Flash Gordon, maybe there was a problem in getting it, but Fladh Gordon's 70s reboot by Queen is basically Captain America In Space and shoving The Seven Seas Of Ryne into this 70s style adventure movie would've been DELICIOUS.
Go listen to Sweet's Wig Wam Bam and then imagine the Guardians Of The Galaxy having a bar fight set to it.
posted by The Whelk at 5:39 PM on August 8, 2014
Imagine a big space battle that's actually about Love set to this
posted by The Whelk at 5:49 PM on August 8, 2014
posted by The Whelk at 5:49 PM on August 8, 2014
The third Guardians movie could just be Speedball* catching Star Lord up on the last 30 years of music history.
*Yes, I'll do anything to get a New Warrior into a Marvel movie.
posted by drezdn at 6:22 PM on August 8, 2014
*Yes, I'll do anything to get a New Warrior into a Marvel movie.
posted by drezdn at 6:22 PM on August 8, 2014
I'm blaming it on the fever and possible food posioning I was suffering while watching this otherwise delightful movie but I kept getting unnerved by how oddly attractive I found the blue space Texan.
I mean what the hell brain?
No shame in falling to the same charms as Ray Gillette. That was Sheriff E.Z. Ponder!
posted by jason_steakums at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2014
I mean what the hell brain?
No shame in falling to the same charms as Ray Gillette. That was Sheriff E.Z. Ponder!
posted by jason_steakums at 7:09 PM on August 8, 2014
He's Peter's dad, isn't he?
In my personal plan for the series, the big reveal in Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is a three-way showdown over who Peter's real Dad is - Adam Warlock, who supplied the genetic material and got the fuck out until his ex-lover and spawn-caretaker died, Yondu, who made a decision to protect Peter from that quote-unquote "jackass" with his space-pirate armada, or his Grandpa, who's way the fuck out of his league in outer-space, but seven kinds of tough.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:35 PM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
In my personal plan for the series, the big reveal in Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is a three-way showdown over who Peter's real Dad is - Adam Warlock, who supplied the genetic material and got the fuck out until his ex-lover and spawn-caretaker died, Yondu, who made a decision to protect Peter from that quote-unquote "jackass" with his space-pirate armada, or his Grandpa, who's way the fuck out of his league in outer-space, but seven kinds of tough.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:35 PM on August 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
Mezentian: My father, who is 74, said "I only have one thing to say to you: I am Groot."
Is there a story behind this? I may have missed it, and I need to know.
I've been trying to be more pithy on Metafilter (and in general) lately, but the back story is that my dad never goes out to see movies anymore. He's the one who got me into science fiction and fantasy (he has boxes and boxes of sci-fi digests from the 50's). He's in good health and likes all sorts of awesome stuff still (he was a big fan of Torchwood, for example) and reads voraciously, but since the grandchildren (especially my nieces) were born, most of his movie fare has been Barbie's Christmas Adventure With The Nutcracker or what have you.
As it happens, some of the grandkids are just old enough and wanted to go see this film. He went as the reluctant chaperone and said he cheered at the end. He had no idea what he was getting in to and this movie made him more excited than any piece of entertainment we've discussed in 20 years - the last movie I remember him being this amped about was Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. He's a former Air Force officer and isn't what I'd term a "bouncing off the walls" kind of guy, but we had a great, spirited conversation about the movie, quoting all of our favorite lines and discussing the soundtrack.
Basically, I love to hear him get that excited about a movie that I was also that excited about.
He also told me that he had to explain Kevin Bacon to the grandkids. I wish I had been a fly on the wall for that conversation, because it sounds like the greatest thing ever. Basically the grandkids loved it too and they were all so excited about it that they've convinced my mom to go see it (she leans more to The English Patient than to Galaxy Quest. Three generations of my family all loving the same thing! At the same time!
Part of me knows this cross-generational success means there's going to be a bunch of shitty, misguided Hollywood knock-off attempts to capitalize on the success of this film, but I'm ok with that as long as I don't go to see them.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:20 PM on August 11, 2014 [4 favorites]
Is there a story behind this? I may have missed it, and I need to know.
I've been trying to be more pithy on Metafilter (and in general) lately, but the back story is that my dad never goes out to see movies anymore. He's the one who got me into science fiction and fantasy (he has boxes and boxes of sci-fi digests from the 50's). He's in good health and likes all sorts of awesome stuff still (he was a big fan of Torchwood, for example) and reads voraciously, but since the grandchildren (especially my nieces) were born, most of his movie fare has been Barbie's Christmas Adventure With The Nutcracker or what have you.
As it happens, some of the grandkids are just old enough and wanted to go see this film. He went as the reluctant chaperone and said he cheered at the end. He had no idea what he was getting in to and this movie made him more excited than any piece of entertainment we've discussed in 20 years - the last movie I remember him being this amped about was Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. He's a former Air Force officer and isn't what I'd term a "bouncing off the walls" kind of guy, but we had a great, spirited conversation about the movie, quoting all of our favorite lines and discussing the soundtrack.
Basically, I love to hear him get that excited about a movie that I was also that excited about.
He also told me that he had to explain Kevin Bacon to the grandkids. I wish I had been a fly on the wall for that conversation, because it sounds like the greatest thing ever. Basically the grandkids loved it too and they were all so excited about it that they've convinced my mom to go see it (she leans more to The English Patient than to Galaxy Quest. Three generations of my family all loving the same thing! At the same time!
Part of me knows this cross-generational success means there's going to be a bunch of shitty, misguided Hollywood knock-off attempts to capitalize on the success of this film, but I'm ok with that as long as I don't go to see them.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:20 PM on August 11, 2014 [4 favorites]
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