We might as well have taken the kitchen sink
April 19, 2018 1:22 PM Subscribe
Readers of the women's travel blog Her Packing List share their their "tipping point" stories of the moments that made them ditch the heavy suitcases. To help readers pare down, HPL has over one hundred packing lists, broken down by destination and purpose of travel, as well as special lists like what to pack for wheelchair travel (and bonus: service dog); how to pack a traveling kitchen; and ultralight packing (12L handbag for 3 weeks). Counterpoint: two essays in defense of overpacking by Amelia Diamond and Taffy Brodesser-Akner.
HPL also features gear and clothing reviews as well as 15 podcast episodes.
HPL also features gear and clothing reviews as well as 15 podcast episodes.
I can see how decluttering initiatives might fit neatly into a moralistic framework, but the basic tenet of "don't hang on to a bunch of stuff that doesn't actually make you happy" seems 1) pretty solid and 2) not to make any judgment as to exactly how much stuff is the "correct" amount.
Aside from that, the therapist quoted in the Brodesser-Akner article has it right: overpacking does mean you don't have to think about stuff. Like, the "ultralight" link has the author gushing about how this "free[d] up some of that brain power that would normally be spent worrying about my luggage and packing list"....... in the same post as she talks about how she had to specially select "fabrics that smell less" and hand-wash her clothes multiple times, including washing her underwear every other night. Ye gods and little fishes! It's like the whole labor-saving devices thing -- you save that labor and then you turn right around and use the freed-up time on more labor.
posted by inconstant at 1:35 PM on April 19, 2018 [16 favorites]
Aside from that, the therapist quoted in the Brodesser-Akner article has it right: overpacking does mean you don't have to think about stuff. Like, the "ultralight" link has the author gushing about how this "free[d] up some of that brain power that would normally be spent worrying about my luggage and packing list"....... in the same post as she talks about how she had to specially select "fabrics that smell less" and hand-wash her clothes multiple times, including washing her underwear every other night. Ye gods and little fishes! It's like the whole labor-saving devices thing -- you save that labor and then you turn right around and use the freed-up time on more labor.
posted by inconstant at 1:35 PM on April 19, 2018 [16 favorites]
Books are usually the thing I overpack; I can get away with a carry-on for the clothes and toiletries, and even try to save extra room so I can smush my carry-on into fit whatever shape the overhead bin happens to be. But my "personal item" is usually filled with about four books, a camera, my iPad, and a knitting project and pencil case along with keys and wallet and...
...and I almost never avail myself because I get too excited about "ooh, the inflight entertainment system has 6 episodes of Game of Thrones, I'mma watch that!"
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 1:36 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
...and I almost never avail myself because I get too excited about "ooh, the inflight entertainment system has 6 episodes of Game of Thrones, I'mma watch that!"
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 1:36 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I am eager to look through the kitchen list - if we're going to a friend's place on the Cape or at an AirBnB and we decide to cook, we're invariably frustrated by poor knives and utensils, old spices, and all the other stuff we take for granted in our own kitchen.
My latest travel challenge comes up next week, when I will be spending a month in Florida for work (including a week on a boat). I think I can do laundry whenever I want, but work is all in closed locations that don't allow electronics so I guess I'm packing a suitcase full of books to come with me.
Considering the length of time, I'm actually thinking of bringing my guitar with me for the first time ever. How terrible of an idea is that?
posted by backseatpilot at 1:37 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
My latest travel challenge comes up next week, when I will be spending a month in Florida for work (including a week on a boat). I think I can do laundry whenever I want, but work is all in closed locations that don't allow electronics so I guess I'm packing a suitcase full of books to come with me.
Considering the length of time, I'm actually thinking of bringing my guitar with me for the first time ever. How terrible of an idea is that?
posted by backseatpilot at 1:37 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
When I travel to conventions, it’s as an author so I have to bring a certain amount of book swag with me, plus clothing and shoes, and I have to leave room for bringing home books...my own tipping point was last year, hauling a huge heavy suitcase up and down MARTA station escalators. I was terrified getting on and off the escalators, I was exhausted dragging my big hardbody case around, and it took up so much space in elevators. It was such a lingering bad experience that when it came time to pack for a personal trip to Norway, I dragged the case out, gave it a sour look, and put it right back. I went with a backpack, a purse, and the clothes on my back. That trip revolutionized my packing and I’m determined to go as light as possible for everything. Including conventions if I can manage it.
BUT. The catch there is that I don’t want to do laundry in hotel sinks (my roommates would likely not appreciate it), and maybe I won’t have time to find a nearby laundromat, and hotel laundry prices can be extortionate...so that’s something I have to work out. In an AirBNB at least there are often laundry facilities.
posted by angeline at 1:41 PM on April 19, 2018
BUT. The catch there is that I don’t want to do laundry in hotel sinks (my roommates would likely not appreciate it), and maybe I won’t have time to find a nearby laundromat, and hotel laundry prices can be extortionate...so that’s something I have to work out. In an AirBNB at least there are often laundry facilities.
posted by angeline at 1:41 PM on April 19, 2018
So much depends on your relationship to stuff and your body.
In some ways that's really individual - for instance, I just kind of...like stuff. I take more pleasure in variety of texture and color than most of the really minimalist people I know. It's not a moral thing - some people take way more pleasure in using perfume than I do (like, I would never pack scents as this person does), or take a lot of pleasure in nice baths or something that I don't really enjoy. For my family, I'm actually a super light packer - never more than a backpack and messenger bag - but I'm always on the "several scarves, shirts that I really like instead of shirts that fold small and definitely extra boots" side, and sometimes on the "let's take a tiny framed photo or drawing with to beautify my space" if I'm staying somewhere for a while.
And then...well, I am fat, visibly queer and gender non-conforming, and I know that people are already looking for an excuse to treat me poorly on those grounds. I can't be sloppy, and I need to wear clothes that have some intrinsic dignity. Thin drapey knits and fun sneakers don't cut it for a variety of reasons. I'm never going to be able to pack the most minimalist bag because I am always going to be packing structured clothes and shoes, and I'm going to pick ones I feel good in rather than the lightest ones, because I'm always dealing with, at the very least, quiet bigotry, and feeling like I look like myself helps me through the day.
posted by Frowner at 1:45 PM on April 19, 2018 [40 favorites]
In some ways that's really individual - for instance, I just kind of...like stuff. I take more pleasure in variety of texture and color than most of the really minimalist people I know. It's not a moral thing - some people take way more pleasure in using perfume than I do (like, I would never pack scents as this person does), or take a lot of pleasure in nice baths or something that I don't really enjoy. For my family, I'm actually a super light packer - never more than a backpack and messenger bag - but I'm always on the "several scarves, shirts that I really like instead of shirts that fold small and definitely extra boots" side, and sometimes on the "let's take a tiny framed photo or drawing with to beautify my space" if I'm staying somewhere for a while.
And then...well, I am fat, visibly queer and gender non-conforming, and I know that people are already looking for an excuse to treat me poorly on those grounds. I can't be sloppy, and I need to wear clothes that have some intrinsic dignity. Thin drapey knits and fun sneakers don't cut it for a variety of reasons. I'm never going to be able to pack the most minimalist bag because I am always going to be packing structured clothes and shoes, and I'm going to pick ones I feel good in rather than the lightest ones, because I'm always dealing with, at the very least, quiet bigotry, and feeling like I look like myself helps me through the day.
posted by Frowner at 1:45 PM on April 19, 2018 [40 favorites]
Packing lightly 100% is not for me. Among other things, packing too lightly just gives me justification for needless shopping once I get to a place.
I once took an evening gown on a camping trip because you never know and everyone thought I was a fool, but I had a lot of fun drinking the champagne I also brought while wearing the old taffeta on a rock in the middle of a river. Among other things, it was infinitely more comfortable than the shorts someone insisted I bring. And I'm pretty sure the trout thought I looked fabulous.
posted by thivaia at 1:50 PM on April 19, 2018 [57 favorites]
I once took an evening gown on a camping trip because you never know and everyone thought I was a fool, but I had a lot of fun drinking the champagne I also brought while wearing the old taffeta on a rock in the middle of a river. Among other things, it was infinitely more comfortable than the shorts someone insisted I bring. And I'm pretty sure the trout thought I looked fabulous.
posted by thivaia at 1:50 PM on April 19, 2018 [57 favorites]
See, I'd have to disagree about lots of underwear. It's super easy to wash and dry. I'd rather bring harder-to-find or more expensive items, like a good breathable rain jacket/outer layer.
I loooove figuring out what gear I want to bring and the challenge of maximizing utility while minimizing space/weight, and will fork over my hard-earned money much more happily on a travel item than I would on something I would use locally. Some lightweight, fast-drying wool item that will keep me warm when cold and cool when warm, even though I'll likely only use it for this trip? Even though it costs twice as much as an equivalent item that only keeps me warm OR cold that I'd use all the time? Sold!
Also, as an ex-Girl Guide, I can Be Prepared (TM) to a sometimes ridiculous extent. Did I really need a solar charger for my camera batteries when travelling for six months? No. Was I glad I had it (and did actually use it a couple of times)? Yes. But was it actually worth it's weight/space? No.
(That being said, bringing two backup drives for photo storage was a decision I stand by. I had my (new, dammit!) primary drive fail mid-trip, and would have lost all my beloved photos. As it was, it was only a minor inconvenience.
posted by dendritejungle at 1:52 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I loooove figuring out what gear I want to bring and the challenge of maximizing utility while minimizing space/weight, and will fork over my hard-earned money much more happily on a travel item than I would on something I would use locally. Some lightweight, fast-drying wool item that will keep me warm when cold and cool when warm, even though I'll likely only use it for this trip? Even though it costs twice as much as an equivalent item that only keeps me warm OR cold that I'd use all the time? Sold!
Also, as an ex-Girl Guide, I can Be Prepared (TM) to a sometimes ridiculous extent. Did I really need a solar charger for my camera batteries when travelling for six months? No. Was I glad I had it (and did actually use it a couple of times)? Yes. But was it actually worth it's weight/space? No.
(That being said, bringing two backup drives for photo storage was a decision I stand by. I had my (new, dammit!) primary drive fail mid-trip, and would have lost all my beloved photos. As it was, it was only a minor inconvenience.
posted by dendritejungle at 1:52 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
(Doing hand laundry is pretty ok in places with facilities for doing hand washing. Concrete washboard sink, sink full of fresh water, bucket, soap, scrubber brush. It goes a lot faster and is gentler on the clothes somehow.)
posted by aniola at 1:52 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by aniola at 1:52 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I am sure it speaks to my own mental health but I am unable to travel light. I overpack because I worry and I often have all these additional sets of clothing that I'll probably not use but just in case, I like to have the option to consider more than one set of clothes/sweaters/shirts/jeans/pants combo. I've tried to cut down but I feel like I'm not prepared and that Boyscout voice in my head screams at me, so I then go back and add one extra pair of socks, b/c what if the first 4 get wet or dirty or catch fire. Why only the first 4 would catch fire and not the 5th, I don't know, but my brain thinks in stupid ways like this.
posted by Fizz at 1:54 PM on April 19, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by Fizz at 1:54 PM on April 19, 2018 [6 favorites]
The other thing about packing: my family didn't have a ton of money and most of our vacations were driving/cheap hotels. We always packed a ton, because we didn't want to pay on-the-road prices for things. We always had a big cooler for breakfast and lunch stuff plus a bag of plates and knives and so on, and my parents had an electric kettle and tea impedimentia plus an enormous thermos so that they could make hot tea at breakfast and iced tea for the rest of the day. And we had a big bag with first aid stuff and medications so that we weren't running out somewhere and paying $7 for some little bottle of something.
It's like, traveling light is awesome if you are confident that you can find and afford anything you need on the road. The younger, more able-bodied and more body-normative you are, the likelier this is to be true.
posted by Frowner at 1:56 PM on April 19, 2018 [33 favorites]
It's like, traveling light is awesome if you are confident that you can find and afford anything you need on the road. The younger, more able-bodied and more body-normative you are, the likelier this is to be true.
posted by Frowner at 1:56 PM on April 19, 2018 [33 favorites]
Sometimes I think people are just talking past one another, because everyone has their own idea of what too much or too little is, what a trip is, etc.
Most of my trips are from my city home, via airplane, to another city for a convention. My packing style means nothing to someone driving, or someone going camping, or someone planning to do a bunch of different things.
On the other hand, I get a medium suitcase and a bag no matter if I'm spending 2 days or a week away, so I don't pack "light" for weekends, because unless I can cram it all into a single bag, I may as well use the space the airlines afford me.
posted by explosion at 1:57 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
Most of my trips are from my city home, via airplane, to another city for a convention. My packing style means nothing to someone driving, or someone going camping, or someone planning to do a bunch of different things.
On the other hand, I get a medium suitcase and a bag no matter if I'm spending 2 days or a week away, so I don't pack "light" for weekends, because unless I can cram it all into a single bag, I may as well use the space the airlines afford me.
posted by explosion at 1:57 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I pack pretty light because 1. I don't actually own a lot of clothes in general and 2. I have traveled so much over the past decade (for the last four years I was traveling at least once a month on average) that I just kind of know what I need and what I don't. I'm also pretty cavalier about small purchases (ie, shampoo, or a hat) so I know I can buy most things when I get to my destination.
My one thing is shoes. I find it really hard to pack under 3 pairs of shoes for almost any trip, especially in warm weather. Sandals for the beach, good walking shoes or sneakers for sight-seeing/hiking, and a pair of nice shoes for going out at night. I've long searched for a pair of shoes that could fit two of these categories to no avail. It's easier in the winter, because then it's just one pair of walking shoes and one pair of nice-looking shoes, but then I have heavier clothes so it all balances out. And for work trips I could probably just get away with one pair of black flats, but I usually bring at least two pairs of shoes so I'm not the person who wears the same shoes every day.
I think where I part ways with a lot of packing-light aficionados or fellow frequent fliers is that I don't mind checking my luggage, I actually prefer it. I can count on two hands the number of times my luggage has been lost and every single time, I got it within 12 hours. Especially if it's a long flight and I've got one or more transfers, I'd rather just let the airline deal with my luggage. (I do always keep a pair of underwear in my carryon though)
posted by lunasol at 2:12 PM on April 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
My one thing is shoes. I find it really hard to pack under 3 pairs of shoes for almost any trip, especially in warm weather. Sandals for the beach, good walking shoes or sneakers for sight-seeing/hiking, and a pair of nice shoes for going out at night. I've long searched for a pair of shoes that could fit two of these categories to no avail. It's easier in the winter, because then it's just one pair of walking shoes and one pair of nice-looking shoes, but then I have heavier clothes so it all balances out. And for work trips I could probably just get away with one pair of black flats, but I usually bring at least two pairs of shoes so I'm not the person who wears the same shoes every day.
I think where I part ways with a lot of packing-light aficionados or fellow frequent fliers is that I don't mind checking my luggage, I actually prefer it. I can count on two hands the number of times my luggage has been lost and every single time, I got it within 12 hours. Especially if it's a long flight and I've got one or more transfers, I'd rather just let the airline deal with my luggage. (I do always keep a pair of underwear in my carryon though)
posted by lunasol at 2:12 PM on April 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
Packing light is also vague. When I say I'm 'packing lite,' I'm talking 'Spirit Airlines lite' - whatever can fit on my body plus a backpack to keep that $19 flight $19.
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:12 PM on April 19, 2018
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:12 PM on April 19, 2018
I think the most useful part of these stories is where they noticed that they didn't use certain things and could do without them. It's a nice reminder that you can just ... evaluate what works for you, personally.
I don't want to wash my clothes during shorter trips, so I'll take enough clothes I don't have to. But if you don't mind it - and if you're traveling somewhere that things do dry quickly enough - then that's you.
I was slightly put off by the emphasis of some of those posts on buying the "right" things so that you can pack the "right" way. It seems a little unpleasantly consumerist. But maybe I'm being uncharitable, because I'm kind of put off in general by an obsession with "optimizing" everything - your apartment space, your workout, and now your travel bags.
Sometimes there's actually useful advice in there - I mean, it's not optimizing unless it's making something better. But turning it into this whole big thing where I'm worried about whether I've packed the perfect amount .. . is more stressful to me than having a bag that's a couple of pounds heavier.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 2:16 PM on April 19, 2018 [9 favorites]
I don't want to wash my clothes during shorter trips, so I'll take enough clothes I don't have to. But if you don't mind it - and if you're traveling somewhere that things do dry quickly enough - then that's you.
I was slightly put off by the emphasis of some of those posts on buying the "right" things so that you can pack the "right" way. It seems a little unpleasantly consumerist. But maybe I'm being uncharitable, because I'm kind of put off in general by an obsession with "optimizing" everything - your apartment space, your workout, and now your travel bags.
Sometimes there's actually useful advice in there - I mean, it's not optimizing unless it's making something better. But turning it into this whole big thing where I'm worried about whether I've packed the perfect amount .. . is more stressful to me than having a bag that's a couple of pounds heavier.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 2:16 PM on April 19, 2018 [9 favorites]
Oh man, I love packing light. I once did a two-month international trip spanning six cities and two countries with just a small canvas rucksack. It was amazing to be that mobile, and I definitely never felt like I was missing anything. That level of minimalism is not feasible or even desirable for everyone, but for me personally it feels very empowering to know that I have everything I need right there with me. It makes me feel free.
I'm really looking forward to summer hiking for the same reason. In winter, you need to carry a lot of emergency gear that if all goes well will just be dead weight in your pack. On any significant winter hike I carry a bivy, winter sleeping bag, and insulating ground pad in case I somehow get stranded. That weighs about seven pounds, plus of course I carry more and heavier clothing, including more layers than I expect to actually need. Even my boots are heavy, and that's before I put crampons on. You get used to it, but it's a struggle on some hikes to keep my pack below 35 lbs.
In the summer you don't need any of that. Flashlight, water, my sack with my first aid kit and other emergency doodads, bite to eat… maybe an ultralight down jacket and raincoat, depending. Maybe a spare pair of socks if it's going to be a long one. Barely even enough to fill a small daypack, and I'm ready for a day in the mountains. So much easier and more fun!
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 2:19 PM on April 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
I'm really looking forward to summer hiking for the same reason. In winter, you need to carry a lot of emergency gear that if all goes well will just be dead weight in your pack. On any significant winter hike I carry a bivy, winter sleeping bag, and insulating ground pad in case I somehow get stranded. That weighs about seven pounds, plus of course I carry more and heavier clothing, including more layers than I expect to actually need. Even my boots are heavy, and that's before I put crampons on. You get used to it, but it's a struggle on some hikes to keep my pack below 35 lbs.
In the summer you don't need any of that. Flashlight, water, my sack with my first aid kit and other emergency doodads, bite to eat… maybe an ultralight down jacket and raincoat, depending. Maybe a spare pair of socks if it's going to be a long one. Barely even enough to fill a small daypack, and I'm ready for a day in the mountains. So much easier and more fun!
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 2:19 PM on April 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
Packing light is expensive, somewhat luxury choice. Durable, wash-and-wear made of lighter fabrics are a Vimes Boots choice, often. Getting durable, pack-lite luggage (e.g., Red Oxx, Tom Bihn, Crumpler, Chrome) is not cheap.
Durability is important, few things have to do many jobs. Quality is important for fit and comfort. Particular materials have to be used to get a shirt or dress or underpants even that wear well, fit well, wash (and dry!) well, and don't stink.
Coming from a gear-oriented community like self-propelled hiking and long-distance cycling, packing light was a natural choice, especially as work travel demanded it too.
But there's no denying that it takes a special kind or wonkery and a certain amount of disposable income to do successfully in many cases.
posted by bonehead at 2:29 PM on April 19, 2018 [14 favorites]
Durability is important, few things have to do many jobs. Quality is important for fit and comfort. Particular materials have to be used to get a shirt or dress or underpants even that wear well, fit well, wash (and dry!) well, and don't stink.
Coming from a gear-oriented community like self-propelled hiking and long-distance cycling, packing light was a natural choice, especially as work travel demanded it too.
But there's no denying that it takes a special kind or wonkery and a certain amount of disposable income to do successfully in many cases.
posted by bonehead at 2:29 PM on April 19, 2018 [14 favorites]
Ironically, I came to this thread after doing a trial packing run for my London trip with the smallest-size carry-on + a tote. Compression bags FTW. But this only works because a) I'm going at the end of June, when the weather is usually warm enough to wear skirts and light knit tops, and b) although I need to get in a couple of days at the British Library while I'm there, I'm bringing my iPad instead of the full-sized laptop.
That being said, I'll probably wind up buying a cheap suitcase to check at one of the tourist traps on the way back, because I have an unfortunate habit of buying lots of books whenever I'm in the UK...
posted by thomas j wise at 2:37 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
That being said, I'll probably wind up buying a cheap suitcase to check at one of the tourist traps on the way back, because I have an unfortunate habit of buying lots of books whenever I'm in the UK...
posted by thomas j wise at 2:37 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I comfortably managed three months on the road and then two months working Warped Tour with a carry-on sized duffel and my little laptop bag thanks in part to you people. :)
posted by Gymnopedist at 2:39 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Gymnopedist at 2:39 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I'm a frequent traveler and definitely not a light one. Its a combination of the amount of stuff I actually use (I carry a fair amount of electronic devices and their accompanying accessories, all of which get used --- laptop, Switch, Kindle, camera, various chargers/adapters/batteries, etc, etc - for example) and being prepared for various things that might happen.
With my travel style there is little downside. On the plane, I don't mind checking a bag (having frequent flyer status helps, as my bag is always in the first batch off the plane, and it doesn't cost anything extra). I carry on two bags in addition to the checked one (a larger carryon for electronics + medicine + other things I don't want to lose, and a smaller one for in-flight stuff like Kindle/Switch/etc). Once I get to my destination, I'm taking a train or taxi to a hotel, where my stuff sits for days.
This is basically the pattern regardless of trip length --- although for short trips (3 nights or less) I can usually get away with a larger carryon and no checked bag. My standard 3-bag combo works for 1 week or 2 months (my longest trip was 2 months, 4 countries, 12 or so different hotels/cities). I usually top out around 10 days of clothing and rely on laundry machines after that.
I also have a canvas bag that packs really flat and light that I use in the event I end up buying more stuff than fits in my suitcase (fairly rare actually, most likely in my frequent trips to Japan where my wife stocks up on all the stuff she hasn't found replacements for in the US -- especially clothing/shoe sizes). Stays in my large bag usually, but can become a second checked bag if necessary (and with 3 free checked bags per person it's hard to actually hit that limit).
I'd say my usual luggage weight is around 30kg (66 lb).
posted by thefoxgod at 2:40 PM on April 19, 2018
With my travel style there is little downside. On the plane, I don't mind checking a bag (having frequent flyer status helps, as my bag is always in the first batch off the plane, and it doesn't cost anything extra). I carry on two bags in addition to the checked one (a larger carryon for electronics + medicine + other things I don't want to lose, and a smaller one for in-flight stuff like Kindle/Switch/etc). Once I get to my destination, I'm taking a train or taxi to a hotel, where my stuff sits for days.
This is basically the pattern regardless of trip length --- although for short trips (3 nights or less) I can usually get away with a larger carryon and no checked bag. My standard 3-bag combo works for 1 week or 2 months (my longest trip was 2 months, 4 countries, 12 or so different hotels/cities). I usually top out around 10 days of clothing and rely on laundry machines after that.
I also have a canvas bag that packs really flat and light that I use in the event I end up buying more stuff than fits in my suitcase (fairly rare actually, most likely in my frequent trips to Japan where my wife stocks up on all the stuff she hasn't found replacements for in the US -- especially clothing/shoe sizes). Stays in my large bag usually, but can become a second checked bag if necessary (and with 3 free checked bags per person it's hard to actually hit that limit).
I'd say my usual luggage weight is around 30kg (66 lb).
posted by thefoxgod at 2:40 PM on April 19, 2018
I'm an aspirational light packer. I want to so badly, but I still insist on bringing multiple bras and tops despite knowing I will likely have access to w/d facilities wherever I'm going, and of course, what if I finish this book and I need another book despite also knowing there will likely be bookstores wherever I'm going, and yes, I guess I should bring a nice dress in case we go out somewhere nice for dinner at our destination (rarely happens), and oh, no what if it rains, I don't like having wet feet when walking around so should I bring rain boots...
You see where my brain leads me. It sucks.
posted by Kitteh at 2:41 PM on April 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
You see where my brain leads me. It sucks.
posted by Kitteh at 2:41 PM on April 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
You can never have enough socks though. When I did fieldwork I was always Mr Socks, with high-quality, dry, clean hiking socks to spare for anybody who needed them. Socks are light and pack small and there are few things more miserable than being stuck with wet feet all day. It can even be a safety hazard, because wet socks create blisters and encourage infection, and if your feet stop working you're going to have a bad time. If I ever find myself wondering whether I should bring another pair of socks, my answer is always "Yes!"
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 2:47 PM on April 19, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 2:47 PM on April 19, 2018 [6 favorites]
The best thing to lift spirits at lunch is a second, dry pair of socks. The best thing at the end of the day is a pair of sandals in the work truck back to the hotel.
posted by bonehead at 2:50 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by bonehead at 2:50 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
And yes, packing super light definitely requires you to not need any medical equipment, be able to procure special travel clothes and feel comfortable wearing them (I have solved this one by making travel clothes my everyday uniform), be willing to wash stuff in sinks and/or wear only semi-clean clothing some of the time, and also ideally have a stash of money that you can throw at small problems in lieu of having the necessary Thing already with you. Going for long trips with only a small backpack definitely requires carrying a second, invisible backpack with you wherever you go. I have no illusions about that. Some of it is about being willing to do without, but a lot of it is about being able to go without.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 2:53 PM on April 19, 2018 [12 favorites]
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 2:53 PM on April 19, 2018 [12 favorites]
"Be prepared" is my travel motto. I pack with every possible contingency in mind including lots of over the counter and prescription drugs. Nothing worse than getting a cold, upset stomach or migraine while traveling and not having meds to knock it quickly. I get thanked often while traveling for sharing my extra stuff especially the meds. I also over pack for festivals with a large backpack and I have rescued many folks with hand sanitizer, Tide pens, Immodium and scissors. I over pack so everyone else can under pack.
posted by narancia at 2:59 PM on April 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by narancia at 2:59 PM on April 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
In all for light, except when people are bleeding, sneezing, coughing, upchucking, have the trots, or when your underwear, socks and pants can't get dry. Sometimes that can involve many of the former issues.
posted by BlueHorse at 3:01 PM on April 19, 2018
posted by BlueHorse at 3:01 PM on April 19, 2018
lunasol: I find it really hard to pack under 3 pairs of shoes for almost any trip, especially in warm weather. Sandals for the beach, good walking shoes or sneakers for sight-seeing/hiking, and a pair of nice shoes for going out at night. I've long searched for a pair of shoes that could fit two of these categories to no avail.
Allow me to introduce to you the joy that is hiking sandals! Pretty much incredible for all your warm-weather walking around needs. Wear 'em with socks if you don't mind looking like a total dork, for extra comfort.
Also, Merrell makes some shoes and boots that might conceivably fit your definition of "nicer" while also being practical and comfy enough for all-day walking.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 3:04 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Allow me to introduce to you the joy that is hiking sandals! Pretty much incredible for all your warm-weather walking around needs. Wear 'em with socks if you don't mind looking like a total dork, for extra comfort.
Also, Merrell makes some shoes and boots that might conceivably fit your definition of "nicer" while also being practical and comfy enough for all-day walking.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 3:04 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Books are usually the thing I overpack; I can get away with a carry-on for the clothes and toiletries, and even try to save extra room so I can smush my carry-on into fit whatever shape the overhead bin happens to be. But my "personal item" is usually filled with about four books, a camera, my iPad, and a knitting project and pencil case along with keys and wallet and...
Heh. I feel you. To compound matters, I always select as my vacation reading newer titles that are only available in hardcover, thereby blowing through the weight allowance on my baggage. I could probably buy a suitcase full of Kindles for what that's cost me...
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:10 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Heh. I feel you. To compound matters, I always select as my vacation reading newer titles that are only available in hardcover, thereby blowing through the weight allowance on my baggage. I could probably buy a suitcase full of Kindles for what that's cost me...
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:10 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Packing light is expensive, somewhat luxury choice. Durable, wash-and-wear made of lighter fabrics are a Vimes Boots choice, often. Getting durable, pack-lite luggage (e.g., Red Oxx, Tom Bihn, Crumpler, Chrome) is not cheap.
Eh, like I said, I'm a light packer but I don't have any of these things, partially because they don't make nice-looking "travel" clothes for plus-size women. I just pack my regular clothes, with an emphasis on things that don't wrinkle as much and are easy to roll (denim and jersey are good materials for this and are available cheaply from places like Old Navy and Target). For a very long time my primary luggage was a roller-board I bought for ~$75 at Marshall's and had for about 10 years. It was beat to shit by the time I got rid of it, but it served me well. (I did just buy a fancy travel backpack and I love it but it's absolutely not a packing-light necessity)
I think other people have made good points about factors that make it harder to pack light (like medical needs, or worries about being able to buy things at your destination). But you really don't need to buy expensive travel gear to pack light. The people who make that gear have a vested interest in making us believe you do, though!
posted by lunasol at 3:10 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
Eh, like I said, I'm a light packer but I don't have any of these things, partially because they don't make nice-looking "travel" clothes for plus-size women. I just pack my regular clothes, with an emphasis on things that don't wrinkle as much and are easy to roll (denim and jersey are good materials for this and are available cheaply from places like Old Navy and Target). For a very long time my primary luggage was a roller-board I bought for ~$75 at Marshall's and had for about 10 years. It was beat to shit by the time I got rid of it, but it served me well. (I did just buy a fancy travel backpack and I love it but it's absolutely not a packing-light necessity)
I think other people have made good points about factors that make it harder to pack light (like medical needs, or worries about being able to buy things at your destination). But you really don't need to buy expensive travel gear to pack light. The people who make that gear have a vested interest in making us believe you do, though!
posted by lunasol at 3:10 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
Packing light when you're fat AND have huge feet is really, really challenging. By the time I get 2 pairs of shoes and some tunics in there, there ain't much room for much else.
posted by clseace at 3:15 PM on April 19, 2018 [11 favorites]
posted by clseace at 3:15 PM on April 19, 2018 [11 favorites]
When I'm going on business for a week: 1 backpack.
When I'm staying in a hotel 1 night for fun: 2 large suitcases, several large bags 2 backpacks and a wagon.
posted by poe at 3:29 PM on April 19, 2018 [15 favorites]
When I'm staying in a hotel 1 night for fun: 2 large suitcases, several large bags 2 backpacks and a wagon.
posted by poe at 3:29 PM on April 19, 2018 [15 favorites]
Metafilter: the trout thought I looked fabulous.
posted by Greg_Ace at 3:50 PM on April 19, 2018 [14 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 3:50 PM on April 19, 2018 [14 favorites]
The "Must Haves for a Traveling Kitchen" was a disappointment.
My non-kitchen traveling tips:
- A lightly-insulated bag or box is an easy one, but they forgot little freezer blocks/packs
- Tupperware and Collapsible bowls shouldn't be two items. Get microwave-safe, collapsible silicon bowls with lids.
- "Reusable bag" is only useful if you're going to a country that has banned single-use plastic bags at the checkout.
- The spork and pocket knife idea is stupid. Just buy plastic cutlery when you arrive, or even a cheap metal set.
- Water bottles? Like there aren't eleventy-billion of them around the planet?
- Paper towels and snap-lock bags are the first things you should get when you arrive.
- No mention of coffee making on the go? You need a Hario Skerton and an Aeropress.
My non-kitchen traveling tips:
- Don't pack proper books. If you pack anything, make it a print-out of a book/PDF that you can leave behind, or buy an interesting book after you've checked in your luggage.
- Pack clothes that are at the end of their life. A) They're typically more comfortable, and 2) You can easily toss them at the end if you need to shed some weight.
I was unimpressed with "The Ultimate Pack Light List For Women." There was no way all the stuff listed fit into two little bags and a bunch of the stuff she took was just duplicating another item's function she already had (The electronics list in particular was nuts). I gave the whole thing a serious side eye.
posted by WalkerWestridge at 5:07 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by WalkerWestridge at 5:07 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
As others have pointed out, the more stressed and anxious you are, the harder it is to pack light. There have been times in my life where I simply did not have the bandwidth to make 7 more decisions about every little thing I was going to pack, and also did not have the equanimity to really believe that everything would be fine if I went somewhere underprepared.
Also, the clothes that are available for women to buy in stores do not lend themselves to easy capsule wardrobing the way men's clothes do. By which I mean: it's easy for men to have a capsule wardrobe by default, because there's less variety in what's on offer to them from season to season or year to year. (This is unfortunate for men who would like to be more self-expressive and creative in the way they dress, but fortunate for men who dont care because they end up by default with wardrobes where everything pretty much goes with everything else, regardless of how long ago they bought it).
By contrast, the colors, fabrics and cuts of clothing available for women to buy in store change constantly. Which means your average woman is far more likely to own, for example, 3 shirts that each can only really be worn with one specific skirt or pair of pants in her wardrobe and are therefore not super practical on a mix and match, pack-light kind of way.
On top of which, women require a wider variety of clothes than men because the same outfits read differently on men and women. A button-down shirt, blue jeans and sneakers can look perfectly "business casual" on a man, but unless a woman is super stylish, the same outfit often reads too casual, not office-appropriate, on her.
And finally, travel clothes often require a level of practicality the can be difficult to find in women's clothes. Pockets. Comfortable shoes. If you're just driving to and from work, it's not vital to have them. If you're walking around a new town all day it is.
And then women get mocked for being shallow and frivolous and appearance-obsessed when they can't just throw their one pair of pants, 2 shorts, and 4 shirts that all go perfectly well together in a carryon.
Which is not in any way to knock women who can do that. Good for them! And there are trends that help, like the rise of athleisure, which enables women who are comfortable wearing leggings and yoga pans and various forms of t-shirts to achieve capsule-type wardrobes with relatively little forethought. That just doesn't work for many women.
posted by mrmurbles at 5:30 PM on April 19, 2018 [16 favorites]
Also, the clothes that are available for women to buy in stores do not lend themselves to easy capsule wardrobing the way men's clothes do. By which I mean: it's easy for men to have a capsule wardrobe by default, because there's less variety in what's on offer to them from season to season or year to year. (This is unfortunate for men who would like to be more self-expressive and creative in the way they dress, but fortunate for men who dont care because they end up by default with wardrobes where everything pretty much goes with everything else, regardless of how long ago they bought it).
By contrast, the colors, fabrics and cuts of clothing available for women to buy in store change constantly. Which means your average woman is far more likely to own, for example, 3 shirts that each can only really be worn with one specific skirt or pair of pants in her wardrobe and are therefore not super practical on a mix and match, pack-light kind of way.
On top of which, women require a wider variety of clothes than men because the same outfits read differently on men and women. A button-down shirt, blue jeans and sneakers can look perfectly "business casual" on a man, but unless a woman is super stylish, the same outfit often reads too casual, not office-appropriate, on her.
And finally, travel clothes often require a level of practicality the can be difficult to find in women's clothes. Pockets. Comfortable shoes. If you're just driving to and from work, it's not vital to have them. If you're walking around a new town all day it is.
And then women get mocked for being shallow and frivolous and appearance-obsessed when they can't just throw their one pair of pants, 2 shorts, and 4 shirts that all go perfectly well together in a carryon.
Which is not in any way to knock women who can do that. Good for them! And there are trends that help, like the rise of athleisure, which enables women who are comfortable wearing leggings and yoga pans and various forms of t-shirts to achieve capsule-type wardrobes with relatively little forethought. That just doesn't work for many women.
posted by mrmurbles at 5:30 PM on April 19, 2018 [16 favorites]
The main thing for me is the maneuverability. I dumped roller bags for good when I stayed in a fourth-floor walk-up at the top of one of those giant outdoor staircases in Dubrovnik. That shit was terrible. With a backpack (one that holds about the same amount of stuff as your standard carry-on roller bag) it's not a problem if the escalator is out, or if I have to run for a train, or if I need my hands to look at a map. It's just so much easier to navigate space. I also like that I have one packing list that I use for every trip, whether it's three days or three months -- I don't forget anything, and I know exactly what I need (and don't need).
OTOH a lot of carry-on-only folks act like bringing a real suitcase is some kind of failure, or like it makes you a "bad" traveler, which is bizarre. It's perfectly reasonable to prefer having more than four shirts to being able to run in a train station. Like, I've weighed the benefits and drawbacks of light packing given my particular body and abilities and travel preferences and it works out well for me, but I assume that everyone else has also done that and concluded that a suitcase works better for them.
posted by goodbyewaffles at 5:56 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
OTOH a lot of carry-on-only folks act like bringing a real suitcase is some kind of failure, or like it makes you a "bad" traveler, which is bizarre. It's perfectly reasonable to prefer having more than four shirts to being able to run in a train station. Like, I've weighed the benefits and drawbacks of light packing given my particular body and abilities and travel preferences and it works out well for me, but I assume that everyone else has also done that and concluded that a suitcase works better for them.
posted by goodbyewaffles at 5:56 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
"Be prepared" is my travel motto. I pack with every possible contingency in mind including lots of over the counter and prescription drugs.
Me too. You can't always get or replace some things if it turns out you need them, I am not a fan of the sopping wet clothes washed in the hotel room (sometimes that shit can take days to dry!), and I'd rather be prepared than screwed. Sure, I really didn't use the damn poncho I was told to buy in Florida because for whatever reason it only rained once that week, but hey, Just In Case.
Though what does annoy me is when it turns out you totally got it wrong weatherwise when you packed. Like when I was a kid I went to Montana in either July or August when it's warm, but the one time I went in June I had to go run out and buy a sweatshirt because it was still chilly. Or having no idea how to dress for hot muggy weather when that doesn't exist where you're from.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:00 PM on April 19, 2018
Me too. You can't always get or replace some things if it turns out you need them, I am not a fan of the sopping wet clothes washed in the hotel room (sometimes that shit can take days to dry!), and I'd rather be prepared than screwed. Sure, I really didn't use the damn poncho I was told to buy in Florida because for whatever reason it only rained once that week, but hey, Just In Case.
Though what does annoy me is when it turns out you totally got it wrong weatherwise when you packed. Like when I was a kid I went to Montana in either July or August when it's warm, but the one time I went in June I had to go run out and buy a sweatshirt because it was still chilly. Or having no idea how to dress for hot muggy weather when that doesn't exist where you're from.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:00 PM on April 19, 2018
I find the anxiety thing to be a bit of a red herring. I'm all kinds of anxiety. And my desire to pack light is partially privilege, and mostly anxiety about losing things. The fewer things I bring, the fewer things I have to track. That zap of anxiety every time I move during vacation, whether it's when I'm leaving the airport or leaving the dinner table is so much lower if I maintain a similar amount of stuff as I might have after shopping trip. A bit more than just my giant day to day purse/tote, but not much more.
Plus, I worry that I might get stuck carrying I can't easily manage over long distances. Either because our room is up a lot of stairs or we want to do one last touristy thing our last day and need to drag our luggage.
I'd rather stretch my wardrobe, look a bit frumpy, wear shoes that aren't quite the right occasion and maybe even buy something than deal with be over cluttered enough I leave without my wallet, a favorite pair of shoes or a even a full piece of luggage. I once caused a bomb scare in the Houston airport because I walked away from my checked luggage, thinking it had been processed. There was nothing to indicate it had been, I had just been in line long enough I forgot I hadn't gone through that part of the check-in ritual.
posted by politikitty at 6:01 PM on April 19, 2018
Plus, I worry that I might get stuck carrying I can't easily manage over long distances. Either because our room is up a lot of stairs or we want to do one last touristy thing our last day and need to drag our luggage.
I'd rather stretch my wardrobe, look a bit frumpy, wear shoes that aren't quite the right occasion and maybe even buy something than deal with be over cluttered enough I leave without my wallet, a favorite pair of shoes or a even a full piece of luggage. I once caused a bomb scare in the Houston airport because I walked away from my checked luggage, thinking it had been processed. There was nothing to indicate it had been, I had just been in line long enough I forgot I hadn't gone through that part of the check-in ritual.
posted by politikitty at 6:01 PM on April 19, 2018
The only time I really care is if I'm flying with someone else -- it's much better if we're both on the same page re checked luggage.
posted by jeather at 6:09 PM on April 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by jeather at 6:09 PM on April 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
I'm actually thinking of bringing my guitar with me for the first time ever.
Should be okay if you pack it right. You won't need an outer box, and you should gatecheck it.
I had a travel guitar made so I can stow it in the overhead on any aircraft bigger than a regional jet.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 6:10 PM on April 19, 2018
Should be okay if you pack it right. You won't need an outer box, and you should gatecheck it.
I had a travel guitar made so I can stow it in the overhead on any aircraft bigger than a regional jet.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 6:10 PM on April 19, 2018
One thing I will say, if you're trying to pack light, is that hiking equipment is your friend. The usual caveats apply: it's expensive, the clothes don't come in sizes that fit larger people, etc. But this is a whole industry of gear that exists for people who need to literally carry everything they need to survive on their backs. Many of the clothes these days are quite nice-looking, if on the casual side. They tend toward durable, comfortable, quick-drying items that pack small and weigh little. There's an emphasis on packability and multiple uses in just about everything. So much good stuff for the traveller. The biggest pitfall is to not become so much of a gearhead that you end up with a zillion cool but unnecessary gadgets.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:15 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:15 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I just travelled 5 months through Spain and California with one 45L backpack and a day-bag (though I pack the daybag in the backpack when flying). I love light clothes (linen shirts and shorts and barefoot shoes). While travelling I realized how much happier I was with fewer possessions and am now in the process of ridding my apartment of, literally, thousands of DVDs/Blu-rays, books, furniture, etc., to see how little I can get by with.
This one picture contains my only travel essentials. Of course, I never travel to cold climes.
posted by dobbs at 6:18 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
This one picture contains my only travel essentials. Of course, I never travel to cold climes.
posted by dobbs at 6:18 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
angeline > When I travel to conventions, it’s as an author so I have to bring a certain amount of book swag with me, plus clothing and shoes [...] when it came time to pack for a personal trip to Norway, I dragged the case out, gave it a sour look, and put it right back. I went with a backpack, a purse, and the clothes on my back. That trip revolutionized my packing and I’m determined to go as light as possible for everything. Including conventions if I can manage it.
god I feel you here Angeline, I have this huge-ass suitcase that's been to a bunch of comic cons with my merch, table setup, and clothes all stuffed in it, and I am so sick of hauling it around. The few non-work trips I take are done with one single bag if I can at all help it. I really need to start shipping my merch and table setup when I get back on the con circuit, and just get on a plane with one little bag and my signs.
posted by egypturnash at 6:45 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
god I feel you here Angeline, I have this huge-ass suitcase that's been to a bunch of comic cons with my merch, table setup, and clothes all stuffed in it, and I am so sick of hauling it around. The few non-work trips I take are done with one single bag if I can at all help it. I really need to start shipping my merch and table setup when I get back on the con circuit, and just get on a plane with one little bag and my signs.
posted by egypturnash at 6:45 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I underpack and have regretted it many times, but it's what I will always do. There's nothing like the sinking feeling of realizing that you packed two pairs of underwear too few, or that those "extra" toiletries you left at home really aren't extras. But I also hate having to carry and deal with tons of stuff, so I err on the side of too little.
posted by Dip Flash at 7:33 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Dip Flash at 7:33 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Allow me to introduce to you the joy that is hiking sandals! Pretty much incredible for all your warm-weather walking around needs. Wear 'em with socks if you don't mind looking like a total dork, for extra comfort.
Oh yeah, my travel sandals are Chacos and I love em. But I have really bad feet and they don’t really give me enough ankle support for a hike or a full day of site-seeing. Also, I just like to have a pair of close-toed shoes that are appropriate to wear with socks for over-air-conditioned situations like planes and busses. But it’s cool, like I said my other packing habits are light enough that I don’t really mind the shoes.
posted by lunasol at 7:45 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Oh yeah, my travel sandals are Chacos and I love em. But I have really bad feet and they don’t really give me enough ankle support for a hike or a full day of site-seeing. Also, I just like to have a pair of close-toed shoes that are appropriate to wear with socks for over-air-conditioned situations like planes and busses. But it’s cool, like I said my other packing habits are light enough that I don’t really mind the shoes.
posted by lunasol at 7:45 PM on April 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Few things make me madder than supercilious holier-than-thou types telling me I'm over packing. They do not know my medical situation, they don't know how far I'm able to walk to get something I need if an emergency comes up, they don't know how much extra cash I'm able to take, and they certainly don't know whether or not I'm able to afford expensive devices like iPads that consolidate the functions of other objects.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 7:49 PM on April 19, 2018 [14 favorites]
posted by The Underpants Monster at 7:49 PM on April 19, 2018 [14 favorites]
Few things make me madder than supercilious holier-than-thou types telling me I'm over packing.
I really don’t get people who make it, like, a moral issue or value judgment. It is such a personal preference thing and it doesn’t really impact anyone else, unless maybe in some real edge cases.
posted by lunasol at 7:55 PM on April 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
I really don’t get people who make it, like, a moral issue or value judgment. It is such a personal preference thing and it doesn’t really impact anyone else, unless maybe in some real edge cases.
posted by lunasol at 7:55 PM on April 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
I only travel in two ways: packing everything anyone might need on the trip under any contingency, turning the cargo area of my car into luggage Tetris and having ridiculously too much; or going on a 3-day trip to a wedding with three separate dressy outfits and everything else, all packed in my everyday purse. (I did, in fact, pack my worst underwear and throw it out at the hotel so I had room to bring back stuff like the wedding program.) I even packed a purse in my purse!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:02 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:02 PM on April 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
I hate hate hate waiting at baggage claim and most of my trips are a weekend + one or two days at most. I have one carry-on with exactly as much underwear, socks and clean t-shirts as I need for the trip. Also stretchy pants - and if I'm gone longer than two nights - my slippers.
My toilet articles and other shit that the TSA requires me to put in their stupid bins are all very convenient.
In extreme circumstances I have two carry-ons. Last weekend I bought a new backpack in Chicago. The old backpack was full of dirty clothes and stuff that the TSA wouldn't care about so I was able to drop the whole thing in the bin.
The new bag was the only place I needed to look for iPad, toiletries and keys. The iPhone, pocket contents, my Docs and my jackets were the only other things I needed to shed before going in to the porno-scanner.
posted by bendy at 9:48 PM on April 19, 2018
My toilet articles and other shit that the TSA requires me to put in their stupid bins are all very convenient.
In extreme circumstances I have two carry-ons. Last weekend I bought a new backpack in Chicago. The old backpack was full of dirty clothes and stuff that the TSA wouldn't care about so I was able to drop the whole thing in the bin.
The new bag was the only place I needed to look for iPad, toiletries and keys. The iPhone, pocket contents, my Docs and my jackets were the only other things I needed to shed before going in to the porno-scanner.
posted by bendy at 9:48 PM on April 19, 2018
Rick Steves does make sense. The idea of paying someone to lose, steal or destroy my luggage drives me crazy.
Carry a stuff sack or light daybag in case of that dreaded moment where all the overhead space is gone and bags are being gate-checked. Have a written list of what stays in the cabin with you -- meds, electronics, earplugs.
Bring a serape/pashmina.
Clothing worn in layers are not counted as part of luggage weight. A zippered body pillow cover can corral the layers and makes a nice inflight pillow. I've washed delicates inside the pillow cover in commercial washers and driers.
You can wear socks on your hands, but not mittens on your feet (looks weird, but who cares when your hands are cold?)
Bring underwear and shoes that fit, and a good outer layer for the expected climates (departure, arrival, layovers). All other clothing can be purchased on-site.
Some of the travel forums mention dressing like the locals, both because it is respectful and because it fits the climate. It also fits the laundering profile for those who live there. One more excuse to purchase on-site.
Color option: dress in shades of blue or shades of brown, maybe a contrast color scarf or ball cap.
A small first aid kit is nice, as are travel-size toiletries, but refills can be purchased on-site.
Remember the 3-1-1 quart bag. Include lip balm and a little moisturizer.
If you have leftover toiletries after the trip, you took too much.
Current rules on electronics and lithium batteries are changing, stay up-to-date. That said, find alternatives to bulky literature and travel guides.
posted by TrishaU at 10:14 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
Carry a stuff sack or light daybag in case of that dreaded moment where all the overhead space is gone and bags are being gate-checked. Have a written list of what stays in the cabin with you -- meds, electronics, earplugs.
Bring a serape/pashmina.
Clothing worn in layers are not counted as part of luggage weight. A zippered body pillow cover can corral the layers and makes a nice inflight pillow. I've washed delicates inside the pillow cover in commercial washers and driers.
You can wear socks on your hands, but not mittens on your feet (looks weird, but who cares when your hands are cold?)
Bring underwear and shoes that fit, and a good outer layer for the expected climates (departure, arrival, layovers). All other clothing can be purchased on-site.
Some of the travel forums mention dressing like the locals, both because it is respectful and because it fits the climate. It also fits the laundering profile for those who live there. One more excuse to purchase on-site.
Color option: dress in shades of blue or shades of brown, maybe a contrast color scarf or ball cap.
A small first aid kit is nice, as are travel-size toiletries, but refills can be purchased on-site.
Remember the 3-1-1 quart bag. Include lip balm and a little moisturizer.
If you have leftover toiletries after the trip, you took too much.
Current rules on electronics and lithium batteries are changing, stay up-to-date. That said, find alternatives to bulky literature and travel guides.
posted by TrishaU at 10:14 PM on April 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
Bring underwear and shoes that fit, and a good outer layer for the expected climates (departure, arrival, layovers). All other clothing can be purchased on-site.
Some of the travel forums mention dressing like the locals, both because it is respectful and because it fits the climate. It also fits the laundering profile for those who live there. One more excuse to purchase on-site.
See this is the kind of blanket statement that reads as annoyingly unaware of privilege to those for whom this is not an option either for financial or body related reasons.
The idea of paying someone to lose, steal or destroy my luggage drives me crazy.
I've traveled quite a bit and the worst that's happened is a delay of a couple days. And it's for sure a more cost-effective option than buying all new clothes on every trip!
It's also really a huge amount of privilege to be able to feel confident of buying clothes that fit and are flattering in any given destination. I'm not plus size but rather curvy with a big bust and hips. Finding clothes that work for me takes quite a bit of effort and time, effort and time I'm unwilling or unable to expend when I'm traveling.
posted by peacheater at 11:17 PM on April 19, 2018 [12 favorites]
Some of the travel forums mention dressing like the locals, both because it is respectful and because it fits the climate. It also fits the laundering profile for those who live there. One more excuse to purchase on-site.
See this is the kind of blanket statement that reads as annoyingly unaware of privilege to those for whom this is not an option either for financial or body related reasons.
The idea of paying someone to lose, steal or destroy my luggage drives me crazy.
I've traveled quite a bit and the worst that's happened is a delay of a couple days. And it's for sure a more cost-effective option than buying all new clothes on every trip!
It's also really a huge amount of privilege to be able to feel confident of buying clothes that fit and are flattering in any given destination. I'm not plus size but rather curvy with a big bust and hips. Finding clothes that work for me takes quite a bit of effort and time, effort and time I'm unwilling or unable to expend when I'm traveling.
posted by peacheater at 11:17 PM on April 19, 2018 [12 favorites]
I've been travelling hand-luggage only for about the last decade+, for trips of up to 3 weeks (for the 3 month job relocation I gave myself the luxury of a checked bag!). I have also stopped talking about it with people, because in the last couple of years I have been so put off by the strong moral/smug overtones of the onebag community.
The only reason I did it was: I am anxious about bags being lost, and waiting for checked luggage is no fun. That's it. The only other limiting factor is my strong belief that doing laundry is not an appropriate holiday activity, and I would rather do as little as possible.
I recognise that I have the privilege of being a fairly small human being whose clothes pack down into less space, and without any particular travel requirements, and with the money to do things like 'buy a capsule travel wardrobe'. Good for me. Everyone else can do their thing.
I do still look at people at airports with three rolling cases (or my friend who turned up for a two night trip with a rolling case and a full hand-luggage sized duffel) and wonder what they are choosing to bring that I am not. But I would be those people in a heart beat if the choice was luggage vs. evangelical ultralight packers. This is about doing what works for you, not about making a suitcase into some phrenological marker of your own superiority.
posted by AFII at 12:10 AM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
The only reason I did it was: I am anxious about bags being lost, and waiting for checked luggage is no fun. That's it. The only other limiting factor is my strong belief that doing laundry is not an appropriate holiday activity, and I would rather do as little as possible.
I recognise that I have the privilege of being a fairly small human being whose clothes pack down into less space, and without any particular travel requirements, and with the money to do things like 'buy a capsule travel wardrobe'. Good for me. Everyone else can do their thing.
I do still look at people at airports with three rolling cases (or my friend who turned up for a two night trip with a rolling case and a full hand-luggage sized duffel) and wonder what they are choosing to bring that I am not. But I would be those people in a heart beat if the choice was luggage vs. evangelical ultralight packers. This is about doing what works for you, not about making a suitcase into some phrenological marker of your own superiority.
posted by AFII at 12:10 AM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
If you have leftover toiletries after the trip, you took too much.
Or, you have skin, mucous membranes, eyes, and other tissues that react differently and unpredictably to changes in climate, elements in the local water, nutrition, and the daily routine, and chancing ending up with leftovers was better than chancing running out. You may also be allergic to the heavy perfumes that have become ubiquitous in modern toiletries and can't rely on buying something unscented locally if you do happen to run out. I guess I'm just doing the whole "having a body" thing wrong, aren't I?
posted by The Underpants Monster at 2:32 AM on April 20, 2018 [13 favorites]
Or, you have skin, mucous membranes, eyes, and other tissues that react differently and unpredictably to changes in climate, elements in the local water, nutrition, and the daily routine, and chancing ending up with leftovers was better than chancing running out. You may also be allergic to the heavy perfumes that have become ubiquitous in modern toiletries and can't rely on buying something unscented locally if you do happen to run out. I guess I'm just doing the whole "having a body" thing wrong, aren't I?
posted by The Underpants Monster at 2:32 AM on April 20, 2018 [13 favorites]
I admit I incessantly mock my sister who goes on a beach vacation with at least two pairs of shoes per day and ten different full perfume bottles but that is mostly just sisters.
posted by jeather at 4:06 AM on April 20, 2018
posted by jeather at 4:06 AM on April 20, 2018
I'm actually thinking of bringing my guitar with me for the first time ever. How terrible of an idea is that?
That all depends. All my trips - and most I've heard of - have been uneventful, but I know of a number of horror stories, ranging from the guitar not being in its case when you open it at the other end, to someone putting a forklift truck 'tine' through a fibreglass case.
A wise man told me, years ago, never to travel with anything that I wasn't prepared to lose, and so when I want to travel with a guitar I (a) take a $50 beater, (b) take a small collapsible instrument that I can get into the overhead (I've got one of these, which are brilliant but not exactly cheap) or (c) for long trips, and especially when going to Asia, buy something cheap at the far end.
If I ever (heaven forbid) need to travel with any of my decent instruments, then I'll be buying them a seat.
posted by 43rdAnd9th at 4:07 AM on April 20, 2018
That all depends. All my trips - and most I've heard of - have been uneventful, but I know of a number of horror stories, ranging from the guitar not being in its case when you open it at the other end, to someone putting a forklift truck 'tine' through a fibreglass case.
A wise man told me, years ago, never to travel with anything that I wasn't prepared to lose, and so when I want to travel with a guitar I (a) take a $50 beater, (b) take a small collapsible instrument that I can get into the overhead (I've got one of these, which are brilliant but not exactly cheap) or (c) for long trips, and especially when going to Asia, buy something cheap at the far end.
If I ever (heaven forbid) need to travel with any of my decent instruments, then I'll be buying them a seat.
posted by 43rdAnd9th at 4:07 AM on April 20, 2018
My personal packing revelation: I don't wear contacts, but I use a contacts case as a container for moisturizer/foundation on short trips. It contains all I need and is as tiny and waterproof as can be!
That said, I'm an overpacker, and all my attempts to reduce what I pack have ended in regret and frantic travel shopping. The capsule wardrobe is often geared toward people with a pretty specific range of body type, and the limited number of shoes is a big dealbreaker for me. Plus, when I'm traveling for work, they are the ones paying for me to check a bag, so I just go ahead and make it a BIG one so that I have everything I need.
I'm full of admiration for people who can do this, but so many of their tips are not universal that I sometimes end up getting frustrated. If you are not of a certain body type, then wearing sneakers everywhere doesn't read as sporty, it reads as "sloppy American". If you can't stand the touch of any wool against your skin, no not even merino, then all the merino wool items are a no go. If you take certain medications that might get you arrested if you carry those medications in a container other than the prescription bottle, then condensing them doesn't work. If you sweat a lot, then extra shirts are not actually extra. If your entire life is a search for shoes that won't tear up your feet, then having one of your two pairs be a pair of folding flats with an elastic heel just isn't possible. (I once wore a pair of new Clark's sneakers lined with memory foam, with socks, and after a ten minute walk in them my feet were bleeding. I have weird feet.)
That said, I loved these links and I enjoy learning about the ways that people solve these problems, even if a lot of their methods won't work for me! In conclusion, I am a land of contrasts.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 4:22 AM on April 20, 2018 [8 favorites]
That said, I'm an overpacker, and all my attempts to reduce what I pack have ended in regret and frantic travel shopping. The capsule wardrobe is often geared toward people with a pretty specific range of body type, and the limited number of shoes is a big dealbreaker for me. Plus, when I'm traveling for work, they are the ones paying for me to check a bag, so I just go ahead and make it a BIG one so that I have everything I need.
I'm full of admiration for people who can do this, but so many of their tips are not universal that I sometimes end up getting frustrated. If you are not of a certain body type, then wearing sneakers everywhere doesn't read as sporty, it reads as "sloppy American". If you can't stand the touch of any wool against your skin, no not even merino, then all the merino wool items are a no go. If you take certain medications that might get you arrested if you carry those medications in a container other than the prescription bottle, then condensing them doesn't work. If you sweat a lot, then extra shirts are not actually extra. If your entire life is a search for shoes that won't tear up your feet, then having one of your two pairs be a pair of folding flats with an elastic heel just isn't possible. (I once wore a pair of new Clark's sneakers lined with memory foam, with socks, and after a ten minute walk in them my feet were bleeding. I have weird feet.)
That said, I loved these links and I enjoy learning about the ways that people solve these problems, even if a lot of their methods won't work for me! In conclusion, I am a land of contrasts.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 4:22 AM on April 20, 2018 [8 favorites]
Disclaimer first: my opinions are only mine own, your mileage may vary, this information is not meant to shame or tell anyone "ur doing it wrong" and I am only offering my experience for those who are interested and actively seeking advice. Also: "packing light" as I define it means "using a standard carry-on and a personal item for your luggage only".
Now then.
I don't have any of the "specialty travel" clothing, really, as I haven't needed it. I tend to favor non-iron fabric anyway, and have a decent amount of pretty mix-and-match pieces in my wardrobe; except scarves, I can never have too many scarves. I don't wear dresses or skirts because of a somewhat pronounced belly pooch. So at home, I have several cotton knit tops, some button-down shirts and cardigans to work with, plus a couple pairs of jeans and a couple pairs of slacks.
The biggest thing that helped me pack for trips was an evening of "wardrobe study" sometime before the trip. Start with a color scheme in mind, pull out two pair of pants that would fit it, and then pull out tops that fit that color scheme. Then I play around testing out each top with those pants, maybe grabbing a scarf if I think it'll fit into the scheme, and see how many outfits I can get out of each item ("Okay, I've got the jeans, and I've got the khakis. Here is one striped top....with the jeans and a vest that's one outfit, and with the khakis that's another one. So that's two days sorted. And now that I'm already planning to take the vest, let's find another top that would go with the vest and the jeans....oh, this pink one here. But it doesn't really work with the khakis so maybe give that a pass....how about the denim shirt? Oh, yeah, that'll work better, and I can even layer the striped shirt under it with the vest for still another option....")
For some reason, actively seeing what the different outfits I can make with the clothes I'd be bringing would look like sort of cements things in my head, so when I get to where I"m going with the few pieces I've packed, I already know how I'll be using them. Sometimes I'll throw in an extra scarf for another option. Doing this, I'm usually able to survive a week's trip with only two pair of pants, two knit tops, one or two blouses, a cardigan or two and a few scarves. That fits nicely into a carryon, especially when I plan on wearing some of the bulkiest items on the plane.
This also leaves room for me to pack a different set of underwear and socks for each day because I don't feel like doing laundry.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:49 AM on April 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
Now then.
I don't have any of the "specialty travel" clothing, really, as I haven't needed it. I tend to favor non-iron fabric anyway, and have a decent amount of pretty mix-and-match pieces in my wardrobe; except scarves, I can never have too many scarves. I don't wear dresses or skirts because of a somewhat pronounced belly pooch. So at home, I have several cotton knit tops, some button-down shirts and cardigans to work with, plus a couple pairs of jeans and a couple pairs of slacks.
The biggest thing that helped me pack for trips was an evening of "wardrobe study" sometime before the trip. Start with a color scheme in mind, pull out two pair of pants that would fit it, and then pull out tops that fit that color scheme. Then I play around testing out each top with those pants, maybe grabbing a scarf if I think it'll fit into the scheme, and see how many outfits I can get out of each item ("Okay, I've got the jeans, and I've got the khakis. Here is one striped top....with the jeans and a vest that's one outfit, and with the khakis that's another one. So that's two days sorted. And now that I'm already planning to take the vest, let's find another top that would go with the vest and the jeans....oh, this pink one here. But it doesn't really work with the khakis so maybe give that a pass....how about the denim shirt? Oh, yeah, that'll work better, and I can even layer the striped shirt under it with the vest for still another option....")
For some reason, actively seeing what the different outfits I can make with the clothes I'd be bringing would look like sort of cements things in my head, so when I get to where I"m going with the few pieces I've packed, I already know how I'll be using them. Sometimes I'll throw in an extra scarf for another option. Doing this, I'm usually able to survive a week's trip with only two pair of pants, two knit tops, one or two blouses, a cardigan or two and a few scarves. That fits nicely into a carryon, especially when I plan on wearing some of the bulkiest items on the plane.
This also leaves room for me to pack a different set of underwear and socks for each day because I don't feel like doing laundry.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:49 AM on April 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
Forgot to clarify - when I'm doing the "wardrobe study" I'm also bearing in mind how many days I have to dress for, and am trying to cover myself for only that number of outfits plus one. So when I have hit the point of "okay! I've gotten enough outfits for X number of days" I stop.
The only time I've had a problem was when I went to London in 2012 at a time when they had an unexpected heat wave, and the long sleeve tops I'd carefully selected for what spring was supposed to be like were all way too hot. I made a couple of emergency purchases at a cheap shop in Piccadilly and that sorted that.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:53 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
The only time I've had a problem was when I went to London in 2012 at a time when they had an unexpected heat wave, and the long sleeve tops I'd carefully selected for what spring was supposed to be like were all way too hot. I made a couple of emergency purchases at a cheap shop in Piccadilly and that sorted that.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:53 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I just got back from a 3.5 week trip to South America with a bunch of people. Most of us had a roll-aboard and a backpack, in part because the itinerary entailed getting on planes every three or four days. But one person, [Redeacted], brought three suitcases plus a carry-on and a personal item, all stuffed to the gills. She became a prisoner of her stuff because she couldn't carry it all. So some of the bigger guys and I got stuck wrestling it for her. She had multiples of things like raincoats, hats, and purses/totes, types of shoes, guidebooks, etc. plus two umbrellas (golf and collapsible). She was very well prepared re: personal care. Then she started shopping and it turned out she had a duffel bag for the blankets and other bulky things she bought: 4 bags plus carry on plus personal item until she mailed home a bag, at great expense, halfway through the trip. I was fascinated. She always looked great and wore something different every day, while the rest of us, well, we looked like we were living out of a roll-aboard for weeks on end. But she was so burdened by it all, as were some of the rest of us.
I used packing cubes for the first time, and it helped corral everything. And I found myself jealous of the people with technical clothing, particularly the men, who all seem to have packed 3-4 pairs of convertible pants, some number of shirts and then mixed and matched and layered every day. Plus they had pockets galore and inherent sun protection. Some people had those traveler vests with a bajillion pockets, like old-style camera vests, which seemed useful too.
I should make a list of things other people had that seemed useful. I was a road warrior for 30 years so I can pack for business trips quickly and effectively, but I do less well on recreational excursions.
posted by carmicha at 5:28 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I used packing cubes for the first time, and it helped corral everything. And I found myself jealous of the people with technical clothing, particularly the men, who all seem to have packed 3-4 pairs of convertible pants, some number of shirts and then mixed and matched and layered every day. Plus they had pockets galore and inherent sun protection. Some people had those traveler vests with a bajillion pockets, like old-style camera vests, which seemed useful too.
I should make a list of things other people had that seemed useful. I was a road warrior for 30 years so I can pack for business trips quickly and effectively, but I do less well on recreational excursions.
posted by carmicha at 5:28 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I am a light packer. I used to be a super light packer, though - of the everything in one bag type. I love traveling, but due to chronic illness, traveling takes so much more out of me than it used to. I’m not really bringing more clothes or shoes, but I am bringing other things that I need that I didn’t need before (fun prescription medication) or things that help make traveling more pleasant and less stressful: noise-canceling headphones; comfy pajamas, a plush toy, those sorts of things. I also check a bag whenever possible because my brain gets so overstimulated by airports that I don’t need one other thing to pay attention to or keep track of (I’ve also never lost a bag or had any serious delays because of it).
posted by heurtebise at 6:38 AM on April 20, 2018
posted by heurtebise at 6:38 AM on April 20, 2018
I will say I came to LOVE packing cubes during my Norway trip. Everything was so tidy and organized, and the two compression-style cubes for my socks/undies/light tops were brilliant at how they squeezed so much in! I really will obnoxiously evangelize for packing cubes like some folks rhapsodize about menstrual cups. You would not BELIEVE how many skeins and balls of Norwegian yarn I corralled into one neat little rectangle with a packing cube.
(okay, it was like...a dozen skeins and balls of various weights, but MAN it was so satisfying to have them all in one tidy package)
posted by angeline at 7:47 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
(okay, it was like...a dozen skeins and balls of various weights, but MAN it was so satisfying to have them all in one tidy package)
posted by angeline at 7:47 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I'm really only bothered by people who want me to carry their extra stuff for them. If you want to stick that extra bottle of wine in my bag, you aren't getting it back.
posted by florencetnoa at 7:58 AM on April 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by florencetnoa at 7:58 AM on April 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
The great irony of this light-packing stuff for me is that I had to pack much heavier than I normally would when I was actually doing international reporting and travel writing for a living. Because you need to schlep your DSLR, multiple lenses, and a laptop capable of photo-editing with you everywhere. also, you need extra clothes and shoes if you’re doing both professional meetings and working/recreating outdoors. though I am super super into my sweatshirt material Uniqlo blazers for this purpose.
I will say that large Zip-lock bags are the best packing invention ever, and I have never bothered to acquire packing cubes because of them. Just double bag em’ if you’re concerned about leakage. I can usually reuse them for a very long time which reduces my guilt about using disposable plastics.
wearing local clothing is...not as simple as some people seem to think it is, even if there is a convenience factor. there’s a fine line between being respectful and open, and being a tiresome-ass cultural appropriater.
posted by faineg at 8:15 AM on April 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
I will say that large Zip-lock bags are the best packing invention ever, and I have never bothered to acquire packing cubes because of them. Just double bag em’ if you’re concerned about leakage. I can usually reuse them for a very long time which reduces my guilt about using disposable plastics.
wearing local clothing is...not as simple as some people seem to think it is, even if there is a convenience factor. there’s a fine line between being respectful and open, and being a tiresome-ass cultural appropriater.
posted by faineg at 8:15 AM on April 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
I'm really only bothered by people who want me to carry their extra stuff for them. If you want to stick that extra bottle of wine in my bag, you aren't getting it back.
Actual Pet Peeve:
" I'm such a light packer, look at me I have all I ever need in this tiny backpack because I am above materialism and am light as the wind. I just go as I please with no worries and no burdens. Incidentally, I put sixteen bottles of souvenir olive oil I bought for every member of my extended family in your suitcase before we left the rental this morning because I promised my Aunt Doris, but I can't be weighted down by that shit, bro. You're cool with that, right?"
posted by thivaia at 8:22 AM on April 20, 2018 [8 favorites]
Actual Pet Peeve:
" I'm such a light packer, look at me I have all I ever need in this tiny backpack because I am above materialism and am light as the wind. I just go as I please with no worries and no burdens. Incidentally, I put sixteen bottles of souvenir olive oil I bought for every member of my extended family in your suitcase before we left the rental this morning because I promised my Aunt Doris, but I can't be weighted down by that shit, bro. You're cool with that, right?"
posted by thivaia at 8:22 AM on April 20, 2018 [8 favorites]
Ooooooh!
I was poking around on Pinterest today, and found a fun web site called The Vivienne Files. Vivienne is not the name of the blogger - Vivienne is the blogger's Parisienne friend who apparently gave her a mind-expanding ephiphany when it came to wardrobe planning, and she's now kind of devoted herself to helping people out the Vivienne way. She doesn't seem quite so gung-ho on paring down everything you own to only 20 pieces of clothing; it looks like her idea is to assemble a collection of basic neutral clothes that work for you, in whatever colors you're into (navy and white? Black and white? jeans and khakis?) and that way, all you need to do to punch up your wardrobe each season or each year is to pick one or two carefully-selected things, and they'll work with everything and expand your wardrobe exponentially.
And - she also has lists that apply this to packing. What I like is that she will lay out the different outfits, and in some cases, she will even suggest what goes in the bag and what you wear to the airport.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:22 AM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
I was poking around on Pinterest today, and found a fun web site called The Vivienne Files. Vivienne is not the name of the blogger - Vivienne is the blogger's Parisienne friend who apparently gave her a mind-expanding ephiphany when it came to wardrobe planning, and she's now kind of devoted herself to helping people out the Vivienne way. She doesn't seem quite so gung-ho on paring down everything you own to only 20 pieces of clothing; it looks like her idea is to assemble a collection of basic neutral clothes that work for you, in whatever colors you're into (navy and white? Black and white? jeans and khakis?) and that way, all you need to do to punch up your wardrobe each season or each year is to pick one or two carefully-selected things, and they'll work with everything and expand your wardrobe exponentially.
And - she also has lists that apply this to packing. What I like is that she will lay out the different outfits, and in some cases, she will even suggest what goes in the bag and what you wear to the airport.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:22 AM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
If you skip over the condescending parts, there really are some great articles at the link.
I was delighted to see a tribute to the black maxi dress! I've always been a fan, and before the weight gain that came with my last two major illnesses it went everywhere with me. I could wear it over or under just about everything else, and make it work for an amusement park, presenting at an education conference, and many points in between. The right jacket and shoes could make it into concert dress.
Of course, it wasn't really maxi-length on me, because it's really hard for a tall woman to find a long skirt off the rack. But this article is inspiring me to sew a new incarnation that's long enough so sneakers will be less noticeable underneath.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 8:59 AM on April 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
I was delighted to see a tribute to the black maxi dress! I've always been a fan, and before the weight gain that came with my last two major illnesses it went everywhere with me. I could wear it over or under just about everything else, and make it work for an amusement park, presenting at an education conference, and many points in between. The right jacket and shoes could make it into concert dress.
Of course, it wasn't really maxi-length on me, because it's really hard for a tall woman to find a long skirt off the rack. But this article is inspiring me to sew a new incarnation that's long enough so sneakers will be less noticeable underneath.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 8:59 AM on April 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
My "travel light" collection includes a convertible infinity dress; I have three of them in different colors. I don't have the "maxi" version because I am short, and even the high-low version drags the ground. I also have a SCOTTeVEST trenchcoat, which means I can pack a small suitcase's worth of supplies in the pockets. That makes it very uncomfortable to wear it in the tiny plane seats, but it's fine to take it off and hold on my lap or under the seat in front of me.
Most of my plane travel is for conventions, so there's always the issue of, "do I want to travel as light as possible, and not have the hassle of checked baggage and hauling three suitcases around by myself... or do I want to bring fun costuming?" with bonus side questions of, "how many decks of tarot cards do I really think I'm going to need here?"
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 10:05 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Most of my plane travel is for conventions, so there's always the issue of, "do I want to travel as light as possible, and not have the hassle of checked baggage and hauling three suitcases around by myself... or do I want to bring fun costuming?" with bonus side questions of, "how many decks of tarot cards do I really think I'm going to need here?"
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 10:05 AM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I've always liked the idea of packing light, but it's gotten less so over the years. For starters, there's now necessary medication that travels with documentation/in original bottle, including medicated shampoo and face stuff. There has also been the trip where I carefully packed using the weather forecast (75 to 90 degrees and sunny) and five days ended up 60 degrees and somewhat rainy (instead of dry). I thought maybe I would try to squeeze some shopping in to be warmer, but I don't like shopping much and it turns out that travel makes it way more difficult and confusing and also, you have travel plans for things you want to do each day, so I just stayed cold and damp. (This is my "tipping point" testimonial to go with the opposite tipping points from the first link.)
When my family carefully packs as light as we can, we use two suitcases, two backpacks, and a messenger bag. Packing heavily (for an airplane) is three suitcases and three backpacks. I don't think it's overpacking, though, because it's all stuff that gets used on some trips. (I've made personalized packing lists, with family input, both so that we don't forget important things, and so that we evaluate every few trips if anything doesn't ever get used.) We've had stuff get misplaced when we check it and it does occasionally take a few days to catch up, so we now pack some of each person's clothes in each suitcase, but at least we're only doing laundry on our third day of vacation if something went wrong, not as a matter of course.
I used to listen to Rick Steve's advice about running out of toiletries and buying where you are. So I blame him for favorite chapstick which is made in Germany and I have to find ways to import.
posted by Margalo Epps at 10:06 AM on April 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
When my family carefully packs as light as we can, we use two suitcases, two backpacks, and a messenger bag. Packing heavily (for an airplane) is three suitcases and three backpacks. I don't think it's overpacking, though, because it's all stuff that gets used on some trips. (I've made personalized packing lists, with family input, both so that we don't forget important things, and so that we evaluate every few trips if anything doesn't ever get used.) We've had stuff get misplaced when we check it and it does occasionally take a few days to catch up, so we now pack some of each person's clothes in each suitcase, but at least we're only doing laundry on our third day of vacation if something went wrong, not as a matter of course.
I used to listen to Rick Steve's advice about running out of toiletries and buying where you are. So I blame him for favorite chapstick which is made in Germany and I have to find ways to import.
posted by Margalo Epps at 10:06 AM on April 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
For starters, there's now necessary medication that travels with documentation/in original bottle, including medicated shampoo and face stuff
Yeah, as nice as it would be to be one of those people with no checked luggage, once I've put all my medical supplies in my carry-on, my carry-on is full.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 11:00 AM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Yeah, as nice as it would be to be one of those people with no checked luggage, once I've put all my medical supplies in my carry-on, my carry-on is full.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 11:00 AM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Chronic illness really changed my packing style, for sure. I used to be that person who was like, toothbrush, deodorant, clean pants (of the under variety), wallet, yep, let's go. Mainly because I hate carrying stuff.
And now I'm the person with medications, heat packs, cold packs, an entire exoskeleton of bulky braces, a special blanket, a special neck pillow, etc etc. And I can't carry stuff. It's a problem.
I really hate being the special snowflake who needs all their special stuff, even though I never thought less of people who did before that was me. It's messed with my self-image. I think how you pack is much more intimately tied up with what kind of person you think you are than most people ever consciously realise.
posted by BlueNorther at 12:21 PM on April 20, 2018 [9 favorites]
And now I'm the person with medications, heat packs, cold packs, an entire exoskeleton of bulky braces, a special blanket, a special neck pillow, etc etc. And I can't carry stuff. It's a problem.
I really hate being the special snowflake who needs all their special stuff, even though I never thought less of people who did before that was me. It's messed with my self-image. I think how you pack is much more intimately tied up with what kind of person you think you are than most people ever consciously realise.
posted by BlueNorther at 12:21 PM on April 20, 2018 [9 favorites]
I began to pack light when I became more comfortable with my body and content with my looks. I had just turned 41. No longer driven to try to look fabulous all the time, never repeat an outfit, multiple coats for just-in-case, shed all the extra shoes...oh gods. On our annual month-long trip to North America (my family) and England (his family), Mr. lemon_icing always laughs because my suitcase is usually lighter than his. hoodies are heavy, you see. My extras are a couple of floofy scarves and gloves, a couple of solid coloured jumpers, and one gorgeous dress that can be rolled safely is what makes me happy these days. I buy liquids as we travel — its a fun way to try out new shampoos! And the extra room from under-packing leaves me latitude for the odd impulsive purchase. Even my carry on has gradually been pared down — more efficient global plug adapters, scarf, light electronics, etc. But wow! it was hard leaving 35mm at home. it wasn’t used enough to justify anymore.
It feels great to care a little less, to be actually not burdened with maintaining a self-image.
posted by lemon_icing at 1:22 PM on April 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
It feels great to care a little less, to be actually not burdened with maintaining a self-image.
posted by lemon_icing at 1:22 PM on April 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
If you are fortunate enough to be healthy/able/available to do so, backpacking is a wonderful way to save money and have a bit more freedom while traveling. We backpacked in Italy and it was amazing to be able to shop around for cheap train tickets and just go places with everything we needed already with us. It was incredibly freeing, and I am someone who usually panics without an itinerary. Yes, we did do laundry in the sink a few times, but most places had a retractable clothesline in the bathroom to hang your clothes on. The secret is to bring a bar of laundry soap like Fels-Naptha. You can't use regular soap. It's very...fragrant and works as a bug repellent. Keep it well wrapped up when not in use lest your belongings become medicinally scented.
posted by domo at 2:41 PM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by domo at 2:41 PM on April 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Now I'm the person with medications, heat packs, cold packs, an entire exoskeleton of bulky braces, a special blanket, a special neck pillow, etc etc. And I can't carry stuff. It's a problem.
Ohhh I hear you. Part of the reason I'm so fascinated with these sorts of websites is that because of health reasons (worsening arthritis) I simply cannot carry as much as I used to. So I'm trying to find ways to pack less stuff, but at the same time, I have necessary medications etc that take up, well, maybe not a TON of room, but room.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 5:02 PM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Ohhh I hear you. Part of the reason I'm so fascinated with these sorts of websites is that because of health reasons (worsening arthritis) I simply cannot carry as much as I used to. So I'm trying to find ways to pack less stuff, but at the same time, I have necessary medications etc that take up, well, maybe not a TON of room, but room.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 5:02 PM on April 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
I pack as light as I can *while* taking everything I need with me. I know a lot of people like to buy what they need on arrival - but I’ve never forgotten shattering my deodorant as a teen in Italy and having to pay £7 - and mind you this was decades ago! - for a new one.
Nor have I forgotten, on that same trip, the friend whose camera ran out of film and her frogmarching me into pharmacy after pharmacy to demand more rolls of film in Italian for her. I was nearly in tears of embarrassment after the third round of translating to her that pharmacies in Italy don’t sell film, you have to go to a camera store. My friend was implacable. And just, in general it can be a bigger waste of time than you expect, trying to lay hands on some banal item.
A recent problem is that I have blepharitis so have to do a quick lid scrub with boiled water every morning and evening. This means I have to pack a travelling kettle which takes up a lot of room in a carry on. And at the last minute the directors of the play I was in said they had no room for a small prop because they only had carry on luggage, so I had to drive over to them and pick it up to put in my luggage. It was the same size as the kettle so I went to great lengths to ascertain that our lodging had a kettle in each room, not a given in every country. And then it turned out they didn’t have a kettle but “tea making facilities” which don’t let you near boiling water directly, so I performed with swollen itchy eyes.
So I basically take with me every medicated grooming item I think I need, usually in the face of opposition. Long ago I asked the tel3mum if it was okay to go and buy travel miniatures (before small empty bottles were easy to buy) because if I took full size everything for a 3week trip I’d need a suitcase just for toiletries. And she said ABSOLUTELY NOT SO EXTRAVAGANT. And I lugged my extra suitcase of toiletries downstairs on the day of travel and she was shocked. “I thought it was just another of your exaggerations,” she said.
So now for a 3 day trip I take the maximum allowed size of clear plastic toiletry bag and I pack all my liquid cosmetics in there. This can be hard going to a hot climate in the summer because I need a lot of sunscreen and I want to pack it ahead so I don’t come back with yellow stained clothing. That takes up most of the space. I no longer need lens fluid (dailies) but I do need the same volume of sanitizer spray for glasses and eye brushes. Etc etc. It’s always a tight squeeze no matter what I do. But I at least don’t run out of stuff and hence break out in wet crusts of snowfalling dandruff (which has happened).
A dry pack of nonliquid cosmetics gets packed inside the hand luggage. It is permanently stocked with the second-last pair of glasses.
For a more than 3 day trip I accept the inevitability of checked baggage (except I have an upcoming 6day trip on Ryanair allowances so not really...). I have a wall hanging thingamajig with plenty of everything, which I restock when I get home. It is permanently stocked with the penultimate pair of glasses, which get transferred to hand luggage if I’m flying. If my luggage got lost I would be screwed, but that would be the case along many dimensions so I accept the risk. I take a business card with just my email address on it, and on the back side I write my flight number, datetime, and destination and stick that in the luggage tag holder.
On these flights I have a tiny liquids pouch with the least liquids possible, no sharps, but everything I need to stay clean inflight. I’ve had security say “you must have more liquids than that”, which makes me proud.
I harbor a fantasy of having an emergency overnight kit containing everything I need for a day if I get stranded. It is... never quite compact enough, sadly. Certainly it’s too heavy to carry in the purse. It consists of a plastic suitcase-shaped bead box with a plastic pouch - containing stuff I’d need inflight - velcroed to the outside. I have taken it on one-night flying visits but it is incredibly laborious to restock. I do second the use of empty contact lens cases for storage. There are those who say “but what if you get it mixed up with your lens case” in which case I say you have bigger problems.
The key to all of this is: into each pouch, put an index card listing every item that needs to be in the pouch, and check against it when restocking. Also check before packing because there will be some perishables - eg treatment shampoo - which you can only add at the last minute.
In each suitcase have a general packing list with everything you have ever needed when travelling. I always assume I might be seen at night (fire alarm, surprise roomates have happened) so I pack underwear for each day *and* night, sleepwear, and slippers. The slippers are one of the max 3 pairs of shoes I can pack, but I can wear a 4th pair. If beach, flipflops are mandatory because sand can burn. So that leaves 2 pairs of shoes. Both should be comfortable for the infinitely long and very fast walks that some bastard always imposes, and both should be day-to-night appropriate.
Daywear is the easiest easiest thing. All I need is 3 silk dresses, with sleeves, that cover from above cleavage to below knees. These are suitable for any occasion, I can present in them, I can go into cathedrals that my spaghetti-strapped companions can’t, and they usually work for day to evening too. They can be hand washed at the end of the day, hung up in the shower, and be dry and wrinkle free by morning. However in a lagoon climate they may take longer to dry, which is why I say 3: one for wearing, one for washing, one for drying.
Exercise is a little harder but I have found a packable yoga mat, a small square of more cushiony foam for comfort, and two socially acceptable compression tops to go with two pairs of black silk leggings and two pairs of black silk underwear in case leggings are see through.
After all that, and as long as I don’t buy anything, the stupid bastard suitcase still will not close when it’s time to go home and it will still exceed Ryanair’s hand luggage allowance. WHY HOW
posted by tel3path at 10:18 AM on April 29, 2018 [2 favorites]
Nor have I forgotten, on that same trip, the friend whose camera ran out of film and her frogmarching me into pharmacy after pharmacy to demand more rolls of film in Italian for her. I was nearly in tears of embarrassment after the third round of translating to her that pharmacies in Italy don’t sell film, you have to go to a camera store. My friend was implacable. And just, in general it can be a bigger waste of time than you expect, trying to lay hands on some banal item.
A recent problem is that I have blepharitis so have to do a quick lid scrub with boiled water every morning and evening. This means I have to pack a travelling kettle which takes up a lot of room in a carry on. And at the last minute the directors of the play I was in said they had no room for a small prop because they only had carry on luggage, so I had to drive over to them and pick it up to put in my luggage. It was the same size as the kettle so I went to great lengths to ascertain that our lodging had a kettle in each room, not a given in every country. And then it turned out they didn’t have a kettle but “tea making facilities” which don’t let you near boiling water directly, so I performed with swollen itchy eyes.
So I basically take with me every medicated grooming item I think I need, usually in the face of opposition. Long ago I asked the tel3mum if it was okay to go and buy travel miniatures (before small empty bottles were easy to buy) because if I took full size everything for a 3week trip I’d need a suitcase just for toiletries. And she said ABSOLUTELY NOT SO EXTRAVAGANT. And I lugged my extra suitcase of toiletries downstairs on the day of travel and she was shocked. “I thought it was just another of your exaggerations,” she said.
So now for a 3 day trip I take the maximum allowed size of clear plastic toiletry bag and I pack all my liquid cosmetics in there. This can be hard going to a hot climate in the summer because I need a lot of sunscreen and I want to pack it ahead so I don’t come back with yellow stained clothing. That takes up most of the space. I no longer need lens fluid (dailies) but I do need the same volume of sanitizer spray for glasses and eye brushes. Etc etc. It’s always a tight squeeze no matter what I do. But I at least don’t run out of stuff and hence break out in wet crusts of snowfalling dandruff (which has happened).
A dry pack of nonliquid cosmetics gets packed inside the hand luggage. It is permanently stocked with the second-last pair of glasses.
For a more than 3 day trip I accept the inevitability of checked baggage (except I have an upcoming 6day trip on Ryanair allowances so not really...). I have a wall hanging thingamajig with plenty of everything, which I restock when I get home. It is permanently stocked with the penultimate pair of glasses, which get transferred to hand luggage if I’m flying. If my luggage got lost I would be screwed, but that would be the case along many dimensions so I accept the risk. I take a business card with just my email address on it, and on the back side I write my flight number, datetime, and destination and stick that in the luggage tag holder.
On these flights I have a tiny liquids pouch with the least liquids possible, no sharps, but everything I need to stay clean inflight. I’ve had security say “you must have more liquids than that”, which makes me proud.
I harbor a fantasy of having an emergency overnight kit containing everything I need for a day if I get stranded. It is... never quite compact enough, sadly. Certainly it’s too heavy to carry in the purse. It consists of a plastic suitcase-shaped bead box with a plastic pouch - containing stuff I’d need inflight - velcroed to the outside. I have taken it on one-night flying visits but it is incredibly laborious to restock. I do second the use of empty contact lens cases for storage. There are those who say “but what if you get it mixed up with your lens case” in which case I say you have bigger problems.
The key to all of this is: into each pouch, put an index card listing every item that needs to be in the pouch, and check against it when restocking. Also check before packing because there will be some perishables - eg treatment shampoo - which you can only add at the last minute.
In each suitcase have a general packing list with everything you have ever needed when travelling. I always assume I might be seen at night (fire alarm, surprise roomates have happened) so I pack underwear for each day *and* night, sleepwear, and slippers. The slippers are one of the max 3 pairs of shoes I can pack, but I can wear a 4th pair. If beach, flipflops are mandatory because sand can burn. So that leaves 2 pairs of shoes. Both should be comfortable for the infinitely long and very fast walks that some bastard always imposes, and both should be day-to-night appropriate.
Daywear is the easiest easiest thing. All I need is 3 silk dresses, with sleeves, that cover from above cleavage to below knees. These are suitable for any occasion, I can present in them, I can go into cathedrals that my spaghetti-strapped companions can’t, and they usually work for day to evening too. They can be hand washed at the end of the day, hung up in the shower, and be dry and wrinkle free by morning. However in a lagoon climate they may take longer to dry, which is why I say 3: one for wearing, one for washing, one for drying.
Exercise is a little harder but I have found a packable yoga mat, a small square of more cushiony foam for comfort, and two socially acceptable compression tops to go with two pairs of black silk leggings and two pairs of black silk underwear in case leggings are see through.
After all that, and as long as I don’t buy anything, the stupid bastard suitcase still will not close when it’s time to go home and it will still exceed Ryanair’s hand luggage allowance. WHY HOW
posted by tel3path at 10:18 AM on April 29, 2018 [2 favorites]
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