August 7, 2002
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Grrls Update: Many Top Think Tanks in D.C. Remain Boys' Clubs. How to retain women in IT jobs. ERA (Equal Rights Amendment) opponent Phyllis Schafly on "homeland security or homeland spying." Women keep savings accounts a secret from husbands, just in case. Inventor of beer, Ninkasi, receives belated recognition as Goddess in Britain. Gallant GIs assisting besieged Afghan Feminist.
I am not too sure what to discuss, so here's this:
I just can't get enough of Anne Coulter!
posted by hama7 at 4:14 PM on August 7, 2002
I just can't get enough of Anne Coulter!
posted by hama7 at 4:14 PM on August 7, 2002
Really interesting how the conservative think tanks had some of the highest percentages of women.
I'm convinced that, right now, moderate conservatives are doing somewhat better on women's issues than the left. The only media figures I can find advocating the return of the American women who were taken by their fathers to Saudi Arabia against the wishes of their American mothers are on the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. And Lynne Cheney is the only one who doesn't seem to have given up on standing up to Eminem. A lot of people on the left are trying too hard to avoid being seen as out of it, culturally insensitive or militantly feminist - not a problem for the right, as the first two have never been something they're too worried about and the last isn't likely to be a label applied to them.
posted by transona5 at 4:30 PM on August 7, 2002
I'm convinced that, right now, moderate conservatives are doing somewhat better on women's issues than the left. The only media figures I can find advocating the return of the American women who were taken by their fathers to Saudi Arabia against the wishes of their American mothers are on the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. And Lynne Cheney is the only one who doesn't seem to have given up on standing up to Eminem. A lot of people on the left are trying too hard to avoid being seen as out of it, culturally insensitive or militantly feminist - not a problem for the right, as the first two have never been something they're too worried about and the last isn't likely to be a label applied to them.
posted by transona5 at 4:30 PM on August 7, 2002
From an ignorant man's perspective, I have to ask: How difficult is it to find intelligent, successful women to use as role models?
Consider this...in my world, there are so many incompetent, inept idiots in powerful, lucrative positions that it's almost impossible for me to find someone to use as a role model. Ethics, values, a sense of the collective instead of the individual are lost because our society breeds egotistical, selfish, cut-throat behavior. And if it's this difficult for me, as a man, to discover a worthy "hero" of sorts, a champion of character if I may, I cannot even comprehend the ordeals women must go through, knowing that our society is full of pin-up girls and "how to please your man" thinking.
Maybe it's me...
posted by BlueTrain at 5:35 PM on August 7, 2002
Consider this...in my world, there are so many incompetent, inept idiots in powerful, lucrative positions that it's almost impossible for me to find someone to use as a role model. Ethics, values, a sense of the collective instead of the individual are lost because our society breeds egotistical, selfish, cut-throat behavior. And if it's this difficult for me, as a man, to discover a worthy "hero" of sorts, a champion of character if I may, I cannot even comprehend the ordeals women must go through, knowing that our society is full of pin-up girls and "how to please your man" thinking.
Maybe it's me...
posted by BlueTrain at 5:35 PM on August 7, 2002
transona5 - are you talking about Pat Roush? Her kids were taken in 1986, and she's had enormous help from both Dems and Repubs. The State Department is the problem. The WSJ giving it attention now, after so many years, is more then likely just anti-Saudi pap (not that they don't deserve it).
Also, I was unaware that "standing up to Eminem" was a women's issue. And issues that I would consider to be women's issues, reproductive freedom, equal pay for equal work, maternity/paternity leave, domestic violence...these have never really been issues the right has been too hip on, hmmm?
posted by kittyloop at 5:41 PM on August 7, 2002
Also, I was unaware that "standing up to Eminem" was a women's issue. And issues that I would consider to be women's issues, reproductive freedom, equal pay for equal work, maternity/paternity leave, domestic violence...these have never really been issues the right has been too hip on, hmmm?
posted by kittyloop at 5:41 PM on August 7, 2002
BlueTrain: Finding role models has never been hard for me - starting with my own mother, I've been lucky to have grown up around smart, successful, powerful women.
Success is a very relative thing. I may not have a woman president to look up to (yet) but hey, there's always Barbara Mikulski and Ann Richards. But instead of politicians or movie stars, my heroines are ordinary women who live lives of peacefulness and self-actualization.
posted by acridrabbit at 8:10 PM on August 7, 2002
Success is a very relative thing. I may not have a woman president to look up to (yet) but hey, there's always Barbara Mikulski and Ann Richards. But instead of politicians or movie stars, my heroines are ordinary women who live lives of peacefulness and self-actualization.
posted by acridrabbit at 8:10 PM on August 7, 2002
Well, standing up to Eminem is a women's issue because misogyny needs to be taken as seriously as racism.
As for the other issues, the left may be nominally better, but they're not really doing anything. Instead, a lot of them seem unconvinced that women's rights are really human rights - the Feminist Majority may have brought the Taliban to everyone's attention, but just as many others on the left were falling all over themselves to argue that beating and killing women was just their culture. I expect so much more from them.
posted by transona5 at 8:20 PM on August 7, 2002
As for the other issues, the left may be nominally better, but they're not really doing anything. Instead, a lot of them seem unconvinced that women's rights are really human rights - the Feminist Majority may have brought the Taliban to everyone's attention, but just as many others on the left were falling all over themselves to argue that beating and killing women was just their culture. I expect so much more from them.
posted by transona5 at 8:20 PM on August 7, 2002
Transona:
beating and killing women was just their culture.
You mean it wasn't? That's cultural relativism for you. Thanks, left.
posted by hama7 at 8:48 PM on August 7, 2002
beating and killing women was just their culture.
You mean it wasn't? That's cultural relativism for you. Thanks, left.
posted by hama7 at 8:48 PM on August 7, 2002
Well, standing up to Eminem is a women's issue because misogyny needs to be taken as seriously as racism.
Yes, because Eminem, like racism, could result in slavery, separate drinking fountains, and war if allowed to grow unchecked.
posted by bingo at 2:49 AM on August 8, 2002
Yes, because Eminem, like racism, could result in slavery, separate drinking fountains, and war if allowed to grow unchecked.
posted by bingo at 2:49 AM on August 8, 2002
but just as many others on the left were falling all over themselves to argue that beating and killing women was just their culture
I can't speak for the American left but that certainly wasn't true of the European (well I can only speak for the UK) left. There was a time before 9/11 you couldn't move for BBC2 and Channel 4 documentaries and Guardian features dealing with the brutality of the Taliban.
posted by Summer at 7:10 AM on August 8, 2002
I can't speak for the American left but that certainly wasn't true of the European (well I can only speak for the UK) left. There was a time before 9/11 you couldn't move for BBC2 and Channel 4 documentaries and Guardian features dealing with the brutality of the Taliban.
posted by Summer at 7:10 AM on August 8, 2002
Woman's Research Rewarded - The Missoulian
Dr. Kathy Tonnessen won the National Park Service's Researcher of the Year award not only for her pioneering studies into air pollution, but also for her work hooking up academics with field research opportunities in Western national parks.
posted by sheauga at 3:55 PM on August 8, 2002
Dr. Kathy Tonnessen won the National Park Service's Researcher of the Year award not only for her pioneering studies into air pollution, but also for her work hooking up academics with field research opportunities in Western national parks.
posted by sheauga at 3:55 PM on August 8, 2002
What I'm about to say is extremely childish and immature. However, as I'm extremely childish and immature, I shall say it anyway...
Phyllis Schlafly is a man, baby!
(Well, you tell me!)
posted by lannie628 at 10:33 PM on August 8, 2002
Phyllis Schlafly is a man, baby!
(Well, you tell me!)
posted by lannie628 at 10:33 PM on August 8, 2002
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