Notes on a Criminal Conspiracy
August 31, 2023 3:59 PM Subscribe
Haywood’s ideas have seen him characterized as an extremist even by others on the far right including the former American Conservative columnist Rod Dreher, who wrote last December that Haywood was “seriously, batshit crazy” and characterized him as writing from a “Midwestern Führerbunker”.
Yikes. If Dreher of all people is calling you batshit crazy, that should be a wakeup call.
posted by sapere aude at 4:27 PM on August 31, 2023 [15 favorites]
Yikes. If Dreher of all people is calling you batshit crazy, that should be a wakeup call.
posted by sapere aude at 4:27 PM on August 31, 2023 [15 favorites]
Having way too much money is a disease
posted by Jon_Evil at 4:32 PM on August 31, 2023 [18 favorites]
posted by Jon_Evil at 4:32 PM on August 31, 2023 [18 favorites]
rinse/blather/repeat
posted by clavdivs at 4:33 PM on August 31, 2023 [14 favorites]
posted by clavdivs at 4:33 PM on August 31, 2023 [14 favorites]
This is the guy that watched "The Postman" and rooted for General Bethlehem.
posted by Marky at 4:37 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
posted by Marky at 4:37 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
Yet more right wingnut LARPing
posted by smcdow at 4:38 PM on August 31, 2023 [2 favorites]
posted by smcdow at 4:38 PM on August 31, 2023 [2 favorites]
wrong thread...
posted by Windopaene at 4:52 PM on August 31, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by Windopaene at 4:52 PM on August 31, 2023 [1 favorite]
My “favorite” thing about this story is “According to tax records Haywood has funded SACR through his Howdy Doody Good Times foundation.”
posted by Horace Rumpole at 4:57 PM on August 31, 2023 [16 favorites]
posted by Horace Rumpole at 4:57 PM on August 31, 2023 [16 favorites]
Let's break this down:
The site claims SACR is “raising accountable leaders to help build thriving communities of free citizens”
This means, "I don't like paying taxes but I do like getting government subsidies."
who will rebuild “the frontier-conquering spirit of America”.
This means, "I liked it when white Christians genocided non-white, non-Christian native Americans."
It condemns “those who rule today”
Tricky. This could mean "Democrats" but it probably means "Jews" but it definitely means both.
saying that they “corrupt the sinews of America”
This means feminism, LGBT folks, and anyone with a college degree who isn't in The Federalist Society.
“[alienate] men from family, community, and God”
This means anyone to the left of Ronald Thatcher-Rand, the main character in his fanfic Turner Diaries sequel, who is both an incel and physically disciplines his harem of it's-legal-in-Sealand brides.
and promising to “counter and conquer this poison”.
This means everyone, eventually: fascism is a death cult that continues to find more and more "impure" people to butcher until no one is left.
posted by AlSweigart at 5:13 PM on August 31, 2023 [41 favorites]
The site claims SACR is “raising accountable leaders to help build thriving communities of free citizens”
This means, "I don't like paying taxes but I do like getting government subsidies."
who will rebuild “the frontier-conquering spirit of America”.
This means, "I liked it when white Christians genocided non-white, non-Christian native Americans."
It condemns “those who rule today”
Tricky. This could mean "Democrats" but it probably means "Jews" but it definitely means both.
saying that they “corrupt the sinews of America”
This means feminism, LGBT folks, and anyone with a college degree who isn't in The Federalist Society.
“[alienate] men from family, community, and God”
This means anyone to the left of Ronald Thatcher-Rand, the main character in his fanfic Turner Diaries sequel, who is both an incel and physically disciplines his harem of it's-legal-in-Sealand brides.
and promising to “counter and conquer this poison”.
This means everyone, eventually: fascism is a death cult that continues to find more and more "impure" people to butcher until no one is left.
posted by AlSweigart at 5:13 PM on August 31, 2023 [41 favorites]
Is archive.ph phishcaptching? I cannot get past its capchas and I'm definitely not a bot. Is its owner reusing my captcha choices to hack other sites? (serious question)
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 5:13 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 5:13 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
These dudes should really pay attention to what happened to Yevgeniy Prigozhin, an actual private warlord.
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 5:45 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 5:45 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
Real warlords have tigers.
who will rebuild “the frontier-conquering spirit of America
you have to ask yourself, why would a re-building spirit want to conquer something that no longer exists and and still call it America.
posted by clavdivs at 6:38 PM on August 31, 2023 [13 favorites]
who will rebuild “the frontier-conquering spirit of America
you have to ask yourself, why would a re-building spirit want to conquer something that no longer exists and and still call it America.
posted by clavdivs at 6:38 PM on August 31, 2023 [13 favorites]
Thanks, clavdivs, I'm absolutely swiping "real warlords have tigers" for some as-yet-undefined purpose.
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 6:48 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 6:48 PM on August 31, 2023 [6 favorites]
We need to ask Ukraine to designate one of their ruined towns to be the last town that will be rebuilt, and build a small prison camp in the middle of it.
Then we can sentence all these warlord wannabes, as soon as they are convicted of a civil-war-adjacent crime, to walk through the town and spend part of their prison sentence in that camp.
posted by ocschwar at 6:57 PM on August 31, 2023 [3 favorites]
Then we can sentence all these warlord wannabes, as soon as they are convicted of a civil-war-adjacent crime, to walk through the town and spend part of their prison sentence in that camp.
posted by ocschwar at 6:57 PM on August 31, 2023 [3 favorites]
> Is archive.ph phishcaptching?
possibly, that site is completely useless for me.
posted by glonous keming at 7:18 PM on August 31, 2023 [4 favorites]
possibly, that site is completely useless for me.
posted by glonous keming at 7:18 PM on August 31, 2023 [4 favorites]
Every man, at some point, imagines himself as a warlord.
The problem is, not enough men imagine themselves as decomposing bodies rotting anonymously in an irrigation ditch.
posted by LeRoienJaune at 7:45 PM on August 31, 2023 [13 favorites]
The problem is, not enough men imagine themselves as decomposing bodies rotting anonymously in an irrigation ditch.
posted by LeRoienJaune at 7:45 PM on August 31, 2023 [13 favorites]
no 👉❌
posted by clavdivs at 9:26 PM on August 31, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by clavdivs at 9:26 PM on August 31, 2023 [1 favorite]
The article is in the Guardian. It's not paywalled at all. There might be a nag screen but you can dismiss that. I don't know why a paywall link was even included for this post.
I appreciate it, because I don't want to give the aggressively transphobic rag any clicks or ad impressions.
posted by Dysk at 11:52 PM on August 31, 2023 [8 favorites]
I appreciate it, because I don't want to give the aggressively transphobic rag any clicks or ad impressions.
posted by Dysk at 11:52 PM on August 31, 2023 [8 favorites]
I mean, he's found people do to LARPing with, but unfortunately they aren't actually playing the adventure they want now.
In their imagination, they're leading medieval knights in shining armor, or at least heroic military types with manly looks and all the right tactical gear. Then they have to face the crushing disappointment of reality, where their followers are all dirty, embarrassing Duck Dynasty types.
posted by gimonca at 4:02 AM on September 1, 2023 [4 favorites]
In their imagination, they're leading medieval knights in shining armor, or at least heroic military types with manly looks and all the right tactical gear. Then they have to face the crushing disappointment of reality, where their followers are all dirty, embarrassing Duck Dynasty types.
posted by gimonca at 4:02 AM on September 1, 2023 [4 favorites]
archive.is doesn't play well with Cloudflare's DNS, so if you're having trouble accessing it you may want to check if that's the issue.
posted by otsebyatina at 6:46 AM on September 1, 2023 [3 favorites]
posted by otsebyatina at 6:46 AM on September 1, 2023 [3 favorites]
The problem is, not enough men imagine themselves as decomposing bodies rotting anonymously in an irrigation ditch.
Not outside of a Philip K Dick book club.
posted by y2karl at 7:18 AM on September 1, 2023 [3 favorites]
Not outside of a Philip K Dick book club.
posted by y2karl at 7:18 AM on September 1, 2023 [3 favorites]
Howdy Doody Good Times foundation
I don't know exactly how to describe this, but there's a sort of malevolent jester quality to a lot of the far-right stuff I've observed. To me it seems like it's from the same part of the lizard brain that says "I was only kidding" when getting called out for something particularly bad. They're the people who like to argue for arguments' sake and then when someone gets offended or hurt, they respond by saying their victim can't take a joke. These group names just formalize that part of the schoolyard bullying.
See also, Super Happy Fun America, who organized the Straight Pride Parade in Boston among other nefarious gatherings, and the whole Boogaloo and Proud Boys movements, to an extent. Those last two have been widely recognized as more serious (and seriously bad) than others, but they started with a bunch of over-the-top frat-boy type of humor as the basis (Proud Boys named after a song from the Aladdin stage musical and part of the initiation was calling out names of children's breakfast cereals while getting beaten by other members, if I remember right; it's sort of like if Johnny Knoxville and crew tried to have a politics behind their mayhem).
posted by msbrauer at 12:07 PM on September 1, 2023 [3 favorites]
I don't know exactly how to describe this, but there's a sort of malevolent jester quality to a lot of the far-right stuff I've observed. To me it seems like it's from the same part of the lizard brain that says "I was only kidding" when getting called out for something particularly bad. They're the people who like to argue for arguments' sake and then when someone gets offended or hurt, they respond by saying their victim can't take a joke. These group names just formalize that part of the schoolyard bullying.
See also, Super Happy Fun America, who organized the Straight Pride Parade in Boston among other nefarious gatherings, and the whole Boogaloo and Proud Boys movements, to an extent. Those last two have been widely recognized as more serious (and seriously bad) than others, but they started with a bunch of over-the-top frat-boy type of humor as the basis (Proud Boys named after a song from the Aladdin stage musical and part of the initiation was calling out names of children's breakfast cereals while getting beaten by other members, if I remember right; it's sort of like if Johnny Knoxville and crew tried to have a politics behind their mayhem).
posted by msbrauer at 12:07 PM on September 1, 2023 [3 favorites]
Good reporting from the Guardian.
posted by doctornemo at 12:48 PM on September 1, 2023 [2 favorites]
posted by doctornemo at 12:48 PM on September 1, 2023 [2 favorites]
> malevolent jester quality
my new hobby this week was going to be reporting "kill yourself" gifs to the abuse department of tenor.com, who is owned by google. i had sent a handful of emails before i realized that the vast vast majority of them are correlated under the site tag #KYS and even just straight #KillYourself so i just ended up emailing them a link to their own damn site tag search, along with the highlighted section of their own abuse policies.
anyway, my point: nearly every single one of them is some sort of smiling or inviting or cartoony gleeful image, so this is a deep thing that runs deep
posted by glonous keming at 3:47 PM on September 1, 2023 [2 favorites]
my new hobby this week was going to be reporting "kill yourself" gifs to the abuse department of tenor.com, who is owned by google. i had sent a handful of emails before i realized that the vast vast majority of them are correlated under the site tag #KYS and even just straight #KillYourself so i just ended up emailing them a link to their own damn site tag search, along with the highlighted section of their own abuse policies.
anyway, my point: nearly every single one of them is some sort of smiling or inviting or cartoony gleeful image, so this is a deep thing that runs deep
posted by glonous keming at 3:47 PM on September 1, 2023 [2 favorites]
To paraphrase Buffalo Springfield's For What It's Worth
𝔖𝔠𝔥𝔞𝔡𝔢𝔫𝔣𝔯𝔢𝔲𝔡𝔢 𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔦𝔨𝔢𝔰 𝔡𝔢𝔢𝔭,
ℑ𝔫 𝔶𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔥𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔱 𝔦𝔱 𝔴𝔦𝔩𝔩 𝔠𝔯𝔢𝔢𝔭...,
posted by y2karl at 4:31 PM on September 1, 2023 [1 favorite]
ℑ𝔫 𝔶𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔥𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔱 𝔦𝔱 𝔴𝔦𝔩𝔩 𝔠𝔯𝔢𝔢𝔭...,
posted by y2karl at 4:31 PM on September 1, 2023 [1 favorite]
Is archive.ph phishcaptching? I cannot get past its capchas and I'm definitely not a bot.
This had been a problem with archive.is for a few weeks now. I feel we should avoid links to it as much as possible.
.......
archive.is doesn't play well with Cloudflare's DNS, so if you're having trouble accessing it you may want to check if that's the issue.
Changing your DNS settings away from the provider of DNS for 20% of the internet, just to possibly access a sketchy website, seems a little backward. Maybe we should stop linking to archive.is until they fix whatever is broken on their end.
posted by Thorzdad at 4:29 AM on September 2, 2023 [2 favorites]
This had been a problem with archive.is for a few weeks now. I feel we should avoid links to it as much as possible.
.......
archive.is doesn't play well with Cloudflare's DNS, so if you're having trouble accessing it you may want to check if that's the issue.
Changing your DNS settings away from the provider of DNS for 20% of the internet, just to possibly access a sketchy website, seems a little backward. Maybe we should stop linking to archive.is until they fix whatever is broken on their end.
posted by Thorzdad at 4:29 AM on September 2, 2023 [2 favorites]
(archive.is refuses to allow Cloudflare DNS to resolve their domain because they can’t precisely geolocate you, due to privacy features implemented by Cloudflare, and they claim this prevents them from operating the site cost-effectively. I have not assessed those claims, but duly noted so there’s no confusion: this isn’t a bug, it’s a choice.)
posted by Callisto Prime at 12:26 PM on September 2, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by Callisto Prime at 12:26 PM on September 2, 2023 [1 favorite]
(sorry to continue the derail but: i'm using 9.9.9.9, a service of quad9.net, focused on privacy and security and i'm also getting the captcha loops. i found an article on community.cloudflare.com from May 2022 saying it had started working again at that time.
again, sorry for the derail but maybe someone should pull together a post about this, either for MeFi or MeTa cuz this is becomming a bigger derail almost every time someone links it in a FPP. here's a seed:
posted by glonous keming at 2:04 PM on September 2, 2023 [2 favorites]
again, sorry for the derail but maybe someone should pull together a post about this, either for MeFi or MeTa cuz this is becomming a bigger derail almost every time someone links it in a FPP. here's a seed:
- /r/AgainstHateSubreddits announcing links to archive.subdomains are banned until Russia withdraws from Ukraine
- a question on stackexchange about the creators and location, with some interesting answers
- Ask HackerNews post asking why are they trustworthy, with some more interesting details
posted by glonous keming at 2:04 PM on September 2, 2023 [2 favorites]
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