January 23, 2000
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Tired: accusing other webloggers of publicity stunts
Tired: accusing other webloggers of publicity stunts
Great comment, Matt. Of course, accusing webloggers of accusing webloggers is tired as well.
And I hadn't seen Nerdperfect before. More collaborative Web spaces include Metababy (I've seen the new version and it's gonna be fun!), Kvetch, and openlog.
posted by jkottke at 8:04 AM on January 24, 2000
And I hadn't seen Nerdperfect before. More collaborative Web spaces include Metababy (I've seen the new version and it's gonna be fun!), Kvetch, and openlog.
posted by jkottke at 8:04 AM on January 24, 2000
So, let's get this right: accusing a weblogger of a stunt is tired. Accusing a weblogger of accusing a weblogger of a stunt is also tired. Is accusing a weblogger of being tired for accusing a weblogger of accusing a weblogger tired too?
Of course, accusing a weblogger of accusing a weblogger of being tired for accusing a weblogger of accusing a weblogger is also tired. Drat. When will it end!? Stop the insanity!! (Whatever happened to Susan Powter, anyway?)
(And yes, this all comes with a big fat smiley.) --> :)
posted by jason at 9:59 AM on January 24, 2000
Of course, accusing a weblogger of accusing a weblogger of being tired for accusing a weblogger of accusing a weblogger is also tired. Drat. When will it end!? Stop the insanity!! (Whatever happened to Susan Powter, anyway?)
(And yes, this all comes with a big fat smiley.) --> :)
posted by jason at 9:59 AM on January 24, 2000
Yeah, I'm aware that mentioning it isn't any better than saying it, but I felt something needed to be said.
There exists a sizable community of webloggers, and in that community there's plenty of room for humor (wetlog) or even scathing critiques (bloat), remember it's a big web after all. Places like this website exist to break down the barriers between people, to extend a weblog beyond just one person, and to foster discussion among many. On a single thread, there might be posts from Caroline, CrazyUncleJoe, and me, all within a matter of minutes. Joe and I live about 10 miles away from each other, but have never met IRL, Caroline is in the Netherlands, and I haven't met her either (but when I visit Europe later this year, I'll try to track her down). No matter how much physical distance exists between us, we can come here and discuss things together. I'm glad I built this place, and I'm glad almost 150 people have registered to post. It's kind of rekindled my love for hypertext and internet community.
I've met Cam, he comes off as both extremely intelligent and nice, and I have tremendous respect for his site and him as a person. But in the past, Cam has reacted to other weblogger's jokes, and seeing what he wrote about Neale bummed me out. I've interpreted everything Neale's done as tongue-in-cheek, and I think others recognize this, as his parody projects have made quite a ripple in the blog-cirlces (<- Neale's contribution to the weblogger's lexicon).
Calling Neale's work a stunt or nothing but ploys for attention puts the walls back up between us all, and that's far from being A Good Thing. Even me mentioning this might cause somewhat of a rift between myself and Cam (but I hope it doesn't). I'm saying this because I think it's important for Cam to think about what he's said and the ramifications in the weblog community. Cam, whether or not you know it, you influence many other people, and responding negatively to Neale's work in a public forum is bad for us all. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to have a publicly stated negative opinion, but think before you post, maybe some things are better said over email (you can include this post in things better said over email) instead of forums visited by thousands daily.
posted by mathowie at 10:25 AM on January 24, 2000
There exists a sizable community of webloggers, and in that community there's plenty of room for humor (wetlog) or even scathing critiques (bloat), remember it's a big web after all. Places like this website exist to break down the barriers between people, to extend a weblog beyond just one person, and to foster discussion among many. On a single thread, there might be posts from Caroline, CrazyUncleJoe, and me, all within a matter of minutes. Joe and I live about 10 miles away from each other, but have never met IRL, Caroline is in the Netherlands, and I haven't met her either (but when I visit Europe later this year, I'll try to track her down). No matter how much physical distance exists between us, we can come here and discuss things together. I'm glad I built this place, and I'm glad almost 150 people have registered to post. It's kind of rekindled my love for hypertext and internet community.
I've met Cam, he comes off as both extremely intelligent and nice, and I have tremendous respect for his site and him as a person. But in the past, Cam has reacted to other weblogger's jokes, and seeing what he wrote about Neale bummed me out. I've interpreted everything Neale's done as tongue-in-cheek, and I think others recognize this, as his parody projects have made quite a ripple in the blog-cirlces (<- Neale's contribution to the weblogger's lexicon).
Calling Neale's work a stunt or nothing but ploys for attention puts the walls back up between us all, and that's far from being A Good Thing. Even me mentioning this might cause somewhat of a rift between myself and Cam (but I hope it doesn't). I'm saying this because I think it's important for Cam to think about what he's said and the ramifications in the weblog community. Cam, whether or not you know it, you influence many other people, and responding negatively to Neale's work in a public forum is bad for us all. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to have a publicly stated negative opinion, but think before you post, maybe some things are better said over email (you can include this post in things better said over email) instead of forums visited by thousands daily.
posted by mathowie at 10:25 AM on January 24, 2000
I was concerned that I would have no place to go with metacubed, but now I know that I can post critiques of people who post critiques of people who post critiques of webloggers. Thank God for recursive comedy. I thought that Cam needed to lighten up (The technical term would be "take a cartoon break (well, it *would* be if I were in charge of technical terms)) in the reference you linked, but frankly I think that getting all serious over a weblog parody is about as rational as getting all serious over a television show. And I say that will all respect for Cam, who does a great job with his site.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 10:41 AM on January 24, 2000
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 10:41 AM on January 24, 2000
Thanks for your concern and comments.
If I were a regular reader of Neale's page, I would have known right away that it was intended as a parody. However, since it's not labeled as a parody ( as U.S. law mandates) I took it as a serious copyright infringement of Jakob Nielsen's work.
I'm a huge advocate of today's copyright laws and take it very seriously when someone intentionally breaks them. Neale made the mistake of not labeling it as a parody up-front. I made the mistake of over-reacting.
You should understand that I get a tremendous amount of email from fellow weblog editors. Three different people emailed me asking if I would expose Neale's site, so I'm not alone in taking the parody seriously.
I also get my fair share of criticism, and while I can handle most of it, some people have shown in the past that my "hot buttons" are far too easy to push.
That said, I'm sweeping this whole thing under the rug, and am working on a change in focus for CamWorld. There will be less general stuff, and more links to items of interest in the web design and development industry. Stay tuned.
posted by camworld at 12:15 PM on January 25, 2000
If I were a regular reader of Neale's page, I would have known right away that it was intended as a parody. However, since it's not labeled as a parody ( as U.S. law mandates) I took it as a serious copyright infringement of Jakob Nielsen's work.
I'm a huge advocate of today's copyright laws and take it very seriously when someone intentionally breaks them. Neale made the mistake of not labeling it as a parody up-front. I made the mistake of over-reacting.
You should understand that I get a tremendous amount of email from fellow weblog editors. Three different people emailed me asking if I would expose Neale's site, so I'm not alone in taking the parody seriously.
I also get my fair share of criticism, and while I can handle most of it, some people have shown in the past that my "hot buttons" are far too easy to push.
That said, I'm sweeping this whole thing under the rug, and am working on a change in focus for CamWorld. There will be less general stuff, and more links to items of interest in the web design and development industry. Stay tuned.
posted by camworld at 12:15 PM on January 25, 2000
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posted by Neale at 12:19 AM on January 24, 2000