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I remember the good ol' days when we had the moral standing to complain about this sort of thing.
posted by RavinDave at 11:24 PM on August 18, 2007 [7 favorites]
posted by RavinDave at 11:24 PM on August 18, 2007 [7 favorites]
Gee, I wonder who's idea it was to pull out of ABM treaty and hit Poland up for a space to put a new radar and the interceptors at.
posted by c13 at 11:43 PM on August 18, 2007
posted by c13 at 11:43 PM on August 18, 2007
"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
"I was able to get a sense of his soul.
"He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship," Mr Bush said.
posted by bardic at 11:49 PM on August 18, 2007
"I was able to get a sense of his soul.
"He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship," Mr Bush said.
posted by bardic at 11:49 PM on August 18, 2007
What to do?
Elect competent, focused leadership that is capable enough to put in any effort at all to make the US the world leader in energy independence.
The only reason anyone gives a shit about Russia's game playing is because it has energy the world needs.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:04 AM on August 19, 2007
Elect competent, focused leadership that is capable enough to put in any effort at all to make the US the world leader in energy independence.
The only reason anyone gives a shit about Russia's game playing is because it has energy the world needs.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:04 AM on August 19, 2007
Possible silver lining: John le Carré writes new Smiley novels. No one should try to replace Alec Guinness in the movie version.
posted by Cranberry at 12:40 AM on August 19, 2007
posted by Cranberry at 12:40 AM on August 19, 2007
Vlad's coming to Sydney to help us celebrate APEC, I have a weird premonition that I'm going to bump into him in a pub.
We're going to find ourselves in a fight with some Arab people smugglers. (Australia is just full of Arab people smugglers)
It wont be pretty, Vlad will be ruthless. We'll have the cops on our tail, and he'll give me his gun and vinyl jacket to dump....
posted by mattoxic at 4:05 AM on August 19, 2007
We're going to find ourselves in a fight with some Arab people smugglers. (Australia is just full of Arab people smugglers)
It wont be pretty, Vlad will be ruthless. We'll have the cops on our tail, and he'll give me his gun and vinyl jacket to dump....
posted by mattoxic at 4:05 AM on August 19, 2007
According to a well-travelled and polyglottal pal, the Russian people are absolutely up for all this. The feeling is that the country was sold a pup by Yeltsin and the World Bank - just look at the demographics - and that it's well past time that Russia got the respect it deserves. A fairly direct and unambiguous kind of respect.
posted by Devonian at 7:00 AM on August 19, 2007
posted by Devonian at 7:00 AM on August 19, 2007
I thought this was going to be about the big Shanghai Cooperation Organisation joint military exercise. What a fun few decades we're in for.
posted by Abiezer at 7:26 AM on August 19, 2007
posted by Abiezer at 7:26 AM on August 19, 2007
Whatevs.
We have tech in Area 51 that will trump all that shit.
posted by reality at 8:07 AM on August 19, 2007
We have tech in Area 51 that will trump all that shit.
posted by reality at 8:07 AM on August 19, 2007
from the Telegraph: In order to justify the about-turn, the political elite needs an enemy.
Change "about turn" to "policy failures" and this hits home in an extremely depressing way. Duck and cover everyone!
posted by nax at 8:20 AM on August 19, 2007
Change "about turn" to "policy failures" and this hits home in an extremely depressing way. Duck and cover everyone!
posted by nax at 8:20 AM on August 19, 2007
Oh, the jet fuel that will be wasted. Oh well...
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:42 AM on August 19, 2007
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:42 AM on August 19, 2007
What!? It can't be!
Bush Looked into his soul!
posted by delmoi at 9:36 AM on August 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
Bush Looked into his soul!
posted by delmoi at 9:36 AM on August 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
look, a country that sees freedom turned into "see all those natural resources of yours? they belong to various mobsters, now, check out everything they're buying all over the world with it, the yachts, the mansions, the women -- they're theirs, not yours, sucka", a country that loses its role of big bad scary military superpower to boot, loses its (however rusty) empire, loses everything, and exports engineers who end up driving cabs in the West (you're not an engineer/doctor, you don't even drive cabs, you clean toilets instead), a country that has to endure all that shit (I won't mention Chechnya), well, they have a right to get a little feelgood show of military muscle.
doesn't change much, but one of the most sophisticated cultures of the last two centuries, and the second (well, third for a while) strongest military power of the 20th century deserves a little boost to its self-esteem.
I say go ahead, it's like watching military parades in North Korea -- a fun way to spend the Sunday, given the alternatives.
posted by matteo at 10:00 AM on August 19, 2007
doesn't change much, but one of the most sophisticated cultures of the last two centuries, and the second (well, third for a while) strongest military power of the 20th century deserves a little boost to its self-esteem.
I say go ahead, it's like watching military parades in North Korea -- a fun way to spend the Sunday, given the alternatives.
posted by matteo at 10:00 AM on August 19, 2007
Dunno, matteo. I've known too many Russians & been over there myself. Can't just blow them off with a comparison to North Korea.
Their leaders (yes, even Yeltsin) have usually been pretty sharp on the political side, and I've seen a few occasions where they've watched our politics, liked the outcome, and copied it (see Yeltsin's last victory election - I was over there at the time & it was eerie - like watching Clinton campaign. Started right after a summit with Clinton in Vancouver [BC], too... yeh, just eerie).
I know there's a lot of folks over there who think that the good old ways are best. One (Russian) economist told me once "there's nothing wrong with Russia that Stalin couldn't fix." In retrospect, I think he's right. The gangsters, the mafia - yeah, he'd put them out of business (really he'd just own them, but the petty crime would stop).
No, overall I get the feeling that he's copying Bush: set a strong, long-term threat (U.S.? Why not?), use that to consolidate power.
The interesting thing will be to see what I say come October. I'll be over there for most of September. My guess is that most people will look at the U.S. in two tones, like we do: a people, and a government. Hate the government, take each person individually.
posted by volk at 11:32 AM on August 19, 2007
Their leaders (yes, even Yeltsin) have usually been pretty sharp on the political side, and I've seen a few occasions where they've watched our politics, liked the outcome, and copied it (see Yeltsin's last victory election - I was over there at the time & it was eerie - like watching Clinton campaign. Started right after a summit with Clinton in Vancouver [BC], too... yeh, just eerie).
I know there's a lot of folks over there who think that the good old ways are best. One (Russian) economist told me once "there's nothing wrong with Russia that Stalin couldn't fix." In retrospect, I think he's right. The gangsters, the mafia - yeah, he'd put them out of business (really he'd just own them, but the petty crime would stop).
No, overall I get the feeling that he's copying Bush: set a strong, long-term threat (U.S.? Why not?), use that to consolidate power.
The interesting thing will be to see what I say come October. I'll be over there for most of September. My guess is that most people will look at the U.S. in two tones, like we do: a people, and a government. Hate the government, take each person individually.
posted by volk at 11:32 AM on August 19, 2007
Hrm. Guess I'll add from my perspective - I'm looking at a lot of this anti-US sentiment as being "hopefully temporary." All it takes is a globally-aware leader to take over from Bush.
Although I'm not overly hopeful, looking at the talking heads that are running.
posted by volk at 11:34 AM on August 19, 2007
Although I'm not overly hopeful, looking at the talking heads that are running.
posted by volk at 11:34 AM on August 19, 2007
there is guy named cheney running this country as well ...
posted by specialk420 at 3:48 PM on August 19, 2007
posted by specialk420 at 3:48 PM on August 19, 2007
We have tech in Area 51 that will trump all that shit.
Yeah, our flying saucers will totally fuck up their MIRVs. Unfortunately, we only have a couple of them. Not nearly enough to get all 2000 individual warheads that could be lobbed at us, even at warp power.
Not saying it would ever come to that, mind you...
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 4:42 PM on August 19, 2007
Yeah, our flying saucers will totally fuck up their MIRVs. Unfortunately, we only have a couple of them. Not nearly enough to get all 2000 individual warheads that could be lobbed at us, even at warp power.
Not saying it would ever come to that, mind you...
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 4:42 PM on August 19, 2007
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