Foxy Knoxy

November 6, 2007 4:22 PM

Myspace vs Facebook Amanda Knox (AKA "Foxy Knoxy"). Knox has allegedly confessed to helping to rape and kill her flatmate, Facebook aficionada Meredith Kercher, when she refused to join in with Knox in an orgy along with a Knox's Italian boyfriend and a Congolese musician. Knox's blog makes interesting reading.
posted by meehawl (67 comments total)

That story has just about everything a tabloid newspaper publisher could possibly want. Terrible and disgusting.
posted by psmealey at 4:29 PM on November 6, 2007

i'm not sure what myspace and facebook have to do with anything.
posted by empath at 4:32 PM on November 6, 2007

This is the most fucked-up FPP in quite some time. Nice work!
posted by KokuRyu at 4:34 PM on November 6, 2007 [7 favorites]

i'm not sure what myspace and facebook have to do with anything.

I think the implication is that Facebook users are innocent and virginal, while Myspace users are murderous sluts.

And, as someone with a Myspace profile, I have to concur.
posted by dersins at 4:34 PM on November 6, 2007 [3 favorites]

"Murdered Meredith?" Who writes this sort of headline?

Stop the Daily Mail Island - I want to get off!
posted by freshwater_pr0n at 4:39 PM on November 6, 2007

If by interesting you mean absurdly banal. This girl seems to boring to have murdered someone.

...

Although I did just get to the short story about a rape. Even that is boring. Sheesh.
posted by delmoi at 4:40 PM on November 6, 2007

There are three (creepy) Facebook memorial groups so far. Sez one Facebook user:

there are no words to describe what happened...sometimes it happens to people very similar to us and it hurts the most...hope u will R.I.P. Meredith...and those who r guilty will have the worst punishment possible!
posted by KokuRyu at 4:42 PM on November 6, 2007

God, she is a terrible writer. Murderer or no, she ought to be locked up for this:

I slouched unsmiling in my plush green rocking chair swaying back and forth with a manuscript of 123 pages lying open on my lap. My eyes weaved back and forth across the page and my mind absorbed the words, translating the language into images in my mind. I tasted their cohesion, their flow, with my tongue slightly out, and made a little red, what I liked to call "tick" mark on the corner of those pages that lacked sufficient eloquence, or rather, made some part of me pull taut and even twanged some horrible note that meant it didn't fit....

My fingers manipulated the keyboard like crafty spider legs. It was all so routine. I was disappointed with my routine manuscript, a lack-luster romantic-comedy plotline dedicated to the twenty-something dateless readers our company tended to cater to.

posted by delmoi at 4:44 PM on November 6, 2007 [3 favorites]

Reminded me of this old Point/Counterpoint but gone horribly wrong.
posted by The Straightener at 4:46 PM on November 6, 2007

And we all learned an important lesson about hanging out with foreigners.

Next!
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 4:47 PM on November 6, 2007

As Amanda, from Washington DC, stepped into house she could tell there was something terribly wrong. [...] "Amanda started crying and screaming. I dragged her away because I didn't want her to see it, it was so horrible."

Does anyone else find the Amanda part of the story incredibly confusing?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 4:49 PM on November 6, 2007

Time to pitch another Girls of Myspace to Hustler, looks like.
posted by klangklangston at 4:50 PM on November 6, 2007

...and made a little red, what I liked to call "tick" mark on the corner of those pages that lacked sufficient eloquence...

So does she go on to discuss her frustration at running out of red ink? Sadly, I couldn't bear to find out for myself.
posted by Brak at 4:51 PM on November 6, 2007

(Btw, the rape discussion story was written 11 months ago)
posted by delmoi at 4:52 PM on November 6, 2007

If you follow the links, you will see that that over the past few days the police were "using Facebook" to look for suspects, while the court of public opinion (ie, the Mail/Telegraph) has focussed on Knox's creative writing on her Myspace blog (and posed photos of the Italian boyfriend with a cleaver). I expect the Facebook and Myspace profiles and groups will be entered as evidence in any trial.

I also note that most UK papers are now saying sex was consensual, while the Italian police are hedging.
posted by meehawl at 4:58 PM on November 6, 2007

Raffaele said: "When she arrived the front door was wide open. She thought it was weird, but thought maybe someone was in the house and had left it ajar.

"But when she went into the bathroom she saw spots of blood all over the bath and sink. That's when she started getting really afraid and ran back to my place because she didn't want to go into the house alone. So I agreed to go back with her. When we walked in together, I knew straight away it was wrong. It was really eerily silent and the bathroom was speckled with blood like someone had flicked it around, just little spots.

Hmm, assuming the Italian police are correct, this girl left her apartment and ought the shelter of the very people who murdered her (their) roommate.
posted by delmoi at 5:00 PM on November 6, 2007

The UK articles are so lacking in cohesion that they seemed like random sentences thrown together, rather than an actual article...meh
posted by The Light Fantastic at 5:00 PM on November 6, 2007

Wow, it's just like the West Virginia Tech story, yet one more murderer who is a horrible person because their writing style sucks.
posted by TimTypeZed at 5:01 PM on November 6, 2007

...West Virginia Tech...
posted by ericb at 5:04 PM on November 6, 2007

I so hope that nothing like this ever happens here. Seriously, if anyone were to look closely at my posting profile, they might get the idea that I'm some sort of drunken, crazed, hooker stabbing monster.

Nothing could be further from the truth; I haven't had anything to drink in days.
posted by quin at 5:04 PM on November 6, 2007

I also find it interesting that so many non-Murdoch papers are running pictures of the victim and the accused from their Myspace and Facebook profiles. Aren't these the IP of News International and Facebook?
posted by meehawl at 5:05 PM on November 6, 2007 [1 favorite]

I haven't had anything to drink in days.

Methinks you are in denial!
posted by ericb at 5:05 PM on November 6, 2007

At the entrance to the university, a macabre notice yesterday advertised for an English student to take a vacant room in Ms Kercher's house; a fictitious phone number was made up of the dates of her death. Police removed the notice.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:08 PM on November 6, 2007

I also find it interesting that so many non-Murdoch papers are running pictures of the victim and the accused from their Myspace and Facebook profiles. Aren't these the IP of News International and Facebook?

No of course not. Are your comments here property of matthowie? Uploading something somewhere does not make it the property of the site you uploaded it to.
posted by delmoi at 5:08 PM on November 6, 2007

Aren't these the IP of News International and Facebook

No, they're the intellectual property of the photographer.
posted by dersins at 5:16 PM on November 6, 2007

they're the intellectual property of the photographer.

Hey, you're right for Myspace.

MySpace.com does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post to the MySpace Services. After posting your Content to the MySpace Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose ... This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the MySpace Services. The license does not grant MySpace.com the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant MySpace.com the right to distribute your Content outside of the MySpace Services.

Facebook claims an automatic licence until *you* remove material from its site.

By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire.

posted by meehawl at 5:23 PM on November 6, 2007

Even if the Myspace T&Cs grant them any license to use, copy, store, reproduce, transmit or distribute whatever you upload to the site, I don't think that would transfer across to any other Murdoch-owned company.

Still doesn't stop the Murdoch-owned Sky News posting stories with the headline 'Was Killer's Picture Posted On Facebook?' whilst neglecting to mention Myspace in any way.
posted by tapeguy at 5:29 PM on November 6, 2007

Raffaele's Spaces blog, Wayn.com profile.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:30 PM on November 6, 2007

Off to jail, idiot kid.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 5:36 PM on November 6, 2007

say what now?
posted by mrgrimm at 5:54 PM on November 6, 2007

What emoticon would one use to denote "I've just hacked my flatmate to death"

There should be one
posted by mattoxic at 5:58 PM on November 6, 2007

from one of the articles:

Police have said that they now consider the case to be cut and dried.

that's just bad.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:01 PM on November 6, 2007 [1 favorite]

mattoxic: What emoticon would one use to denote "I've just hacked my flatmate to death"

As much as it shames me to comment in this thread... this is what you're looking for.
posted by Kattullus at 6:05 PM on November 6, 2007

I wonder what video game she was playing that inspired her.
posted by Falconetti at 6:13 PM on November 6, 2007 [2 favorites]

At the entrance to the university, a macabre notice yesterday advertised for an English student to take a vacant room in Ms Kercher's house; a fictitious phone number was made up of the dates of her death. Police removed the notice.

And the 4chanification of the world continues apace.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 6:27 PM on November 6, 2007 [2 favorites]

None of you understand, ALL YOU WANT is "cut and dried" and "hacked her flatmate to death." If you want a piece of Amanda Knox you're going to have to GO THROUGH ME FIRST.

JUST LEAVE AMANDA KNOX ALONE!!!!
posted by mistersquid at 6:42 PM on November 6, 2007

This is some fucked up repugnant shit. Ah well, back to the internets.
posted by PostIronyIsNotaMyth at 6:56 PM on November 6, 2007

This thread is such a farkingcarcrash i don't know where to begin. Nothing so far has been proved. The Italian police and government, while not necessarily contradicting each other, aren't helping the situation. You've got a Daily Mail link "confession" and a couple of links to a couple of social websites.

A tabloid mess at best.
posted by urbanwhaleshark at 6:57 PM on November 6, 2007 [1 favorite]

Thanks for taking an interest Kattullus, I'm looking for an emoticon that maybe a little blood spattered, maybe has "Violent Orgy" on its mind.
posted by mattoxic at 6:59 PM on November 6, 2007

a 20 year old kid in a foreign country isolated and browbeaten for hours by italian detectives. oh, i'm sure everything we've heard so far is gospel.
posted by quonsar at 7:04 PM on November 6, 2007

mattoxic: o/-<>
posted by kuujjuarapik at 7:25 PM on November 6, 2007 [1 favorite]

meehawl writes "Facebook claims an automatic licence until *you* remove material from its site."

Yeah, but it's a non-exclusive license. So they can use your pictures however they want, but that doesn't mean they can prevent other people from doing the same.
posted by Bugbread at 7:36 PM on November 6, 2007

I haven't looked at it, but the overt description makes it sound like that fictional YouTube diary by that cute girl who was eventually murdered by a religious cult because of her blood type, or whatever the heck it was.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 7:38 PM on November 6, 2007

i lament that i was born before the great divide, that i possess insufficient vanity to put up a facebook or myspace page telling total strangers my favorite bands, identifying all my friends or coredumping my vast repertoire of quips, but do not despair, i am not too proud for metafilter!
posted by bruce at 8:44 PM on November 6, 2007

There's a Fair Use exception for copyrighted content used as part of news reports, I believe. Using the internet pictures is probably well within the rights of the press, at least in the U.S. -- I have no idea how it works in Europe.

Also, impressively fucked-up story in general. I look forward to watching the 60 Minutes version at some point in the future.
posted by Kadin2048 at 8:53 PM on November 6, 2007

By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant... to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license ... If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire.

How do the words "irrevocable" and "perpetual" fit with "expire"?
posted by weston at 9:00 PM on November 6, 2007

This proves computers suck.
posted by kenlayne at 9:03 PM on November 6, 2007

delmoi: "God, she is a terrible writer. Murderer or no, she ought to be locked up for this:

I tasted their cohesion, their flow,".......

Holy fuck, is it possible to unread something? Help!!

MetaFilter: Taste Our Cohesion.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 10:02 PM on November 6, 2007 [2 favorites]

Taste Our Cohesion.

I've already said; there is no Cabal. And it's not tasty, so stop asking.
posted by quin at 10:15 PM on November 6, 2007

The Seattle P-I seems to have a more coherent version of events.

There's nothing good about this story.
posted by ryanhealy at 10:19 PM on November 6, 2007

Cripse I fail to see what the frikken internets have to do with this mess. In what kind of bizzzaro anti-universe would any of this cack be deemed even mildly interesting?

Knox's blog makes interesting insipid and banal reading. There. Fixed that for you, meehawl. Flagged as noise.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 11:49 PM on November 6, 2007

It seems unlikely this is true, but I guess it is possible. Looking at her myspace page, she does not appear to be someone who would rape and murder her roomate. There is much more to this story and I can't wait to hear about it.
posted by Titania at 1:04 AM on November 7, 2007

I agree Titania. This case is so utterly bizarre. If she did murder her roommate that would make it extra creepy because she appears to be no different from any of the girls I went on study abroad with or even from me in a general sense...odd. You would expect something a tiny bit "unhinged" in the diary of a murderess.
posted by Jess the Mess at 7:11 AM on November 7, 2007

Uh-oh. Now it's YouTube's fault!

7 killed in Finnish school shooting, official says -- "Attack comes hours after video predicting massacre appeared on YouTube."
posted by ericb at 7:47 AM on November 7, 2007

In what kind of bizzzaro anti-universe would any of this cack be deemed even mildly interesting?

You have no idea what IRC or Usenet is, so your opinion is worthless.
posted by meehawl at 8:09 AM on November 7, 2007

Will not read.
posted by tkchrist at 9:57 AM on November 7, 2007

I think I speak for all of us when I say "what the balls."

I'd love to keep abreast of this story. What happened?
posted by Sticherbeast at 10:31 AM on November 7, 2007

See, this is why I never refuse an orgy.
*looks around expectantly*
nice use of the underutilized ‘orgy’ tag btw
posted by Smedleyman at 11:49 AM on November 7, 2007

You have no idea what IRC or Usenet is, so your opinion is worthless.

Um... last time I checked, this place wasn't IRC or Usenet.

I must have missed the memo that says anything involving a 20-something-year-old who happens to use the internet is front page news.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 12:24 PM on November 7, 2007

"You have no idea what IRC or Usenet is, so your opinion is worthless."

I want an action movie with a sinisterly nerdy Josh Lucas as the villain, and I want his final words in that action movie to be this line.
posted by Sticherbeast at 12:28 PM on November 7, 2007

last time I checked, this place wasn't IRC or Usenet.

That is just what they want you to think.
posted by meehawl at 4:24 PM on November 7, 2007

Apparently, would-be killers are no longer just passively using the social network but actively posting videos on YouTube. Is this what they mean by Singularity then?
posted by meehawl at 5:07 PM on November 7, 2007

I thought I would spare the delicate sensibilities of front page readers again to update this because, in a sense, both these murder episodes are now being reported as "internet killings"

Pekka-Eric Auvinen or 8220;sturmgeist898221; was the YouTube name of the school shooter in Finland that killed 10 people after posting a YouTube video announcing his intentions. He posted a whole bunch of tiresome crap on YouTube relating to Social Darwinism, neo-Nazism, Columbine and other school shooters, and general thanatotic fetishism. Apparently, the 8220;Social Darwinists8221; really don8217;t get the whole idea of maximizing the number of their offspring. Anyway, in a startling display of boneheadedness, YouTube is busy deleting all his videos - maybe worried it could be sued by someone? Sturmgeist898217;s profile page now says 8220;This account is suspended8221;8230; who knew mass murder was a TOS violation? There8217;s also an FTP site. In a sign of impressively morbid entrepreneurship, some wag has already registered sturmgeist89.dl.am (using a difficult-to-trace Armenian URL redirector) and is re-posting the sturmgeist89 videos, maybe to grab some AdSense revenue?
posted by meehawl at 5:55 PM on November 7, 2007

Preview, oh how you are my enemy.
posted by meehawl at 5:56 PM on November 7, 2007

Please.

Hysterical hyperbole aside, the fact that those girls both used the internet doesn't make it an Internet Killing. Such a congruence is to be expected in that demographic. It would be far more surprising if they didn't use those social software tools. Had they both used the same brand of shampoo, would irresponsible journalists then be justified in calling this incident the "Prell massacre" ? People use the media available at the time. Martin Luther nailed his screed to a church door, and Ted Kaczynski composed his 35,000 word, grammatically precise, manifesto on a manual typewriter.

No one refers to those events as the quill revolution or the Underwood explosions. A girl was murdered, and that is a sad thing, but that doesn't then make her inane online blathering interesting.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 10:00 PM on November 7, 2007

New suspect held, snared using Facebook
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:29 AM on November 20, 2007

He said he saw a person, whom he describes as "the killer," outside the bedroom door, and that when he went to help the victim she whispered "A.F" into his ear, his lawyer said.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 6:31 PM on November 28, 2007