Ahhh, I'm glad we've got that bridge-builder kid on board. Wait - *what* did he say?
November 14, 2007 11:58 AM Subscribe
Turkish-German singer Muhabbet (Murat Ersen) is on the books as a veritable poster child of German immigration, what with singing integration-promoting songs with the German and French foreign ministers and all. [mp3, youtube]
Well until today, at least. Because according to journalist Kamil Taylan [in German; robot English], also a German of Turkish descent and co-author of a documentary investigating the death of Theo van Gogh, Ersen was quoted as saying: "Theo van Gogh was lucky he died as swiftly as he did - I would have locked him up in my basement and tortured him first", adding, "Ayaan Hirsi Ali deserves to die, as well". [in German; robot English]
Well until today, at least. Because according to journalist Kamil Taylan [in German; robot English], also a German of Turkish descent and co-author of a documentary investigating the death of Theo van Gogh, Ersen was quoted as saying: "Theo van Gogh was lucky he died as swiftly as he did - I would have locked him up in my basement and tortured him first", adding, "Ayaan Hirsi Ali deserves to die, as well". [in German; robot English]
Mod note: Addition:
Apparently the source of this quote is broadcaster Hessische Rundfunk. From what I now gather from this article robot English by HR (or at least linked from their news web site), the actual quote would be: "Theo van Gogh was lucky he died as swiftly as he did - I would have locked him up inmy the basement and tortured him for fourteen days first".
Also, according to the article the remarks would have been made at Taylan's premiere of the Van Gogh documentary, which is confusing to me as I could swear I had already seen a German (ARD) documentary reconstructing the day of Van Gogh's death a while ago.
Obviously, German-language articles are included only where English alternatives are lacking, but I expect this story will be picked up by an English-language news source sooner or later, so if you come across anything feel free to post it.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane (staff) at 12:15 PM on November 14, 2007
Apparently the source of this quote is broadcaster Hessische Rundfunk. From what I now gather from this article robot English by HR (or at least linked from their news web site), the actual quote would be: "Theo van Gogh was lucky he died as swiftly as he did - I would have locked him up in
Also, according to the article the remarks would have been made at Taylan's premiere of the Van Gogh documentary, which is confusing to me as I could swear I had already seen a German (ARD) documentary reconstructing the day of Van Gogh's death a while ago.
Obviously, German-language articles are included only where English alternatives are lacking, but I expect this story will be picked up by an English-language news source sooner or later, so if you come across anything feel free to post it.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane (staff) at 12:15 PM on November 14, 2007
It's good to know that even if the oil runs out, there will still be plenty of hate.
posted by tommasz at 12:46 PM on November 14, 2007
posted by tommasz at 12:46 PM on November 14, 2007
I like the way his manager says "Muhabbet doesn't even know who Ayan Hirsi Ali is!"
posted by Slothrup at 1:50 PM on November 14, 2007
posted by Slothrup at 1:50 PM on November 14, 2007
I'd like to teach the world top sing
In perfect harmonyyyyyyy....
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:12 PM on November 14, 2007
In perfect harmonyyyyyyy....
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:12 PM on November 14, 2007
So let me get the story straight here: Famous Integrated Muslim Immigrant says something inflammatory according to Theo van Gogh documentary co-author seeking to promote his show. Is that about right?
posted by srboisvert at 3:34 PM on November 14, 2007
posted by srboisvert at 3:34 PM on November 14, 2007
Yes. I know what you're implying, but I dare not say it.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 3:42 PM on November 14, 2007
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 3:42 PM on November 14, 2007
It's good to know that even if the oil runs out, there will still be plenty of hate.
There's oil in Turkey? Who knew!
posted by ghastlyfop at 3:56 PM on November 14, 2007
I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmonyyyyyyy....
It's the real thing, you know!
posted by Wolof at 4:04 PM on November 14, 2007
In perfect harmonyyyyyyy....
It's the real thing, you know!
posted by Wolof at 4:04 PM on November 14, 2007
So someone says someone else said something bad, and has no evidence?
FASCINATING.
posted by delmoi at 5:00 PM on November 14, 2007
FASCINATING.
posted by delmoi at 5:00 PM on November 14, 2007
delmoi: There are two witnesses, and that "something bad" actually is somehow relevant when he is celebrated as a cultural ambassador by the foreign ministry of france and germany. Muhabbet also released a gay bashing song about how he hates the city of Cologne for it's gays. He actually uses the english word "faggot" to diss us, which is somehow amusing.
posted by kolophon at 4:28 AM on November 15, 2007
posted by kolophon at 4:28 AM on November 15, 2007
Excellent, I was hoping for German(ophone)s to show up. Could you elaborate a bit on the Cologne/homosexuals thing? It sounds interesting, and very damning.
I was under the impression that Muhabbet was actually quite respected as a sort of model of integration, at least prior to this gaffe. Am I mistaken?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:53 AM on November 15, 2007
I was under the impression that Muhabbet was actually quite respected as a sort of model of integration, at least prior to this gaffe. Am I mistaken?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:53 AM on November 15, 2007
My sister lived in Germany in high school and again in college, and she said that Koln has more gay guys than straight. I'm sure she was exaggerating a bit.
posted by Sukiari at 6:59 PM on December 2, 2007
posted by Sukiari at 6:59 PM on December 2, 2007
she said that Koln has more gay guys than straight. I'm sure she was exaggerating a bit.
Perhaps a bit... but back when I used to pass through that town for gigs in the 80's/90's, I always had the distinct feeling that it was Sprockets town, for sure.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:21 PM on December 2, 2007
Perhaps a bit... but back when I used to pass through that town for gigs in the 80's/90's, I always had the distinct feeling that it was Sprockets town, for sure.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:21 PM on December 2, 2007
And that doesn't necessarily mean gay. It just means... sprockety.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:23 PM on December 2, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:23 PM on December 2, 2007
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