World's Longest Invisible Fence
November 4, 2009 1:59 PM Subscribe
Twenty years ago this month, the nearly 700 mile border between East and West Germany started to disappear. "The fence is long gone, and the no-man's land where it stood now is part of Europe's biggest nature preserve. The once-deadly border area is alive with songbirds nesting in crumbling watchtowers, foxes hiding in weedy fortifications and animals not seen here for years, such as elk and lynx. But one species is boycotting the reunified animal kingdom: red deer." According to the Bavarian National Forest Park Service, scientists [link in German] have recorded nearly 11,000 GPS locations for 'Ahornia," a red deer who appears to never enter the Czech Republic.
Oh, and the German link has many cool words I don't understand- not complaining about the link being in a language I can't understand the strangeness of it makes them savourable; "Rotwildtelemetrie", "Wildtierforschung", "Schnittpunkt".
posted by Gratishades at 2:12 PM on November 4, 2009
posted by Gratishades at 2:12 PM on November 4, 2009
I can imagine a couple years in the future, a deer ramming against a tree right in the border, yelling "Tear down this wall! Tear down this wall!"
posted by qvantamon at 2:15 PM on November 4, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by qvantamon at 2:15 PM on November 4, 2009 [2 favorites]
Only one, a stag named Vincek, crossed into Germany, once a year, but he regularly returned to the Czech side.
What happens in Bavaria, stays in Bavaria.
posted by Kabanos at 2:18 PM on November 4, 2009 [6 favorites]
What happens in Bavaria, stays in Bavaria.
posted by Kabanos at 2:18 PM on November 4, 2009 [6 favorites]
I wish we could train them not to jump in front of my car too.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:19 PM on November 4, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by furiousxgeorge at 2:19 PM on November 4, 2009 [1 favorite]
I wonder if there could be a more conventional explanation, like some sort of chemical present in the border area that deters red deer specifically.
posted by Mitrovarr at 2:21 PM on November 4, 2009
posted by Mitrovarr at 2:21 PM on November 4, 2009
Fascinating article, thanks.
"Our data showed that the animals behaved very traditionally," says Mr. Sustr. "The former border was in the minds of the animals."
I have the sneaking suspicion that the researchers are failing to include a possibly important point in their hypotheses -- that it's likely that the fence was built in specific positions that were defensible and easy to maintain, and that the deer are reacting to that same geography, not the fence.
In other words, there was a geographical reason the border and the fence were placed where they were, and that didn't go away when the fence was pulled down.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:21 PM on November 4, 2009 [6 favorites]
"Our data showed that the animals behaved very traditionally," says Mr. Sustr. "The former border was in the minds of the animals."
I have the sneaking suspicion that the researchers are failing to include a possibly important point in their hypotheses -- that it's likely that the fence was built in specific positions that were defensible and easy to maintain, and that the deer are reacting to that same geography, not the fence.
In other words, there was a geographical reason the border and the fence were placed where they were, and that didn't go away when the fence was pulled down.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:21 PM on November 4, 2009 [6 favorites]
I wonder if there could be a more conventional explanation, like some sort of chemical present in the border area that deters red deer specifically.
Perhaps some chemical or electrical signal that marks "danger" to the animal. Were there any power lines laid underneath the border?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:27 PM on November 4, 2009
Perhaps some chemical or electrical signal that marks "danger" to the animal. Were there any power lines laid underneath the border?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:27 PM on November 4, 2009
My grandfather used to talk about herds of deer crossing specific fence lines to get on/off public hunting land at sundown and sun up. Said there were some places the had just learned to never be during daylight hours.
posted by bastionofsanity at 2:35 PM on November 4, 2009
posted by bastionofsanity at 2:35 PM on November 4, 2009
The article seemed to imply (though it didn't do a great job spelling it out explicitly) that this species of deer is very territorial, and children generally tend to stay within the same territory as their parents. So if their parents never crossed a border due to a giant fence, they never cross it, even in the absence of a fence, because their parents never crossed it.
And it does say that some of the younger males are crossing more and more frequently. Probably this effect won't exist anymore in 10-20 years.
posted by notswedish at 2:46 PM on November 4, 2009 [2 favorites]
And it does say that some of the younger males are crossing more and more frequently. Probably this effect won't exist anymore in 10-20 years.
posted by notswedish at 2:46 PM on November 4, 2009 [2 favorites]
An english article about GPS lynx telemetry from the same research group. It's not the translation of the german article, but it explains the (similar) research setup, and some technical details such as their GPS via text message transmission.
posted by Henrik at 2:48 PM on November 4, 2009
posted by Henrik at 2:48 PM on November 4, 2009
Reminds me of a story my friend told me ...
He was in the Army in the late-80s, assigned to somewhere way out in the woods near the Fulda Gap. Their barracks were right against the fence.
First night with the unit, there's a giant explosion outside. Everyone hustles to get their gear. My friend spots his company captain, who apparently thinks he's Patton, right down to the ivory-handled six-shooters.
"THIS IS IT! THEY'RE COMING OVER THE LINE!" the captain is yelling. First day with the unit, my friend doesn't know which way is up, or if anyone was kidding or not.
They get outside, and as my friend described it, there's "deer jerky" hanging from the trees. A deer had apparently stepped on an East German landmine and had not-so-apparently obliterated a small herd.
The captain was pissed he didn't get to shoot anyone. "Everyone back to bed. Those East German pussies will be here tomorrow, too. And then we'll get 'em!"
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 3:06 PM on November 4, 2009 [4 favorites]
He was in the Army in the late-80s, assigned to somewhere way out in the woods near the Fulda Gap. Their barracks were right against the fence.
First night with the unit, there's a giant explosion outside. Everyone hustles to get their gear. My friend spots his company captain, who apparently thinks he's Patton, right down to the ivory-handled six-shooters.
"THIS IS IT! THEY'RE COMING OVER THE LINE!" the captain is yelling. First day with the unit, my friend doesn't know which way is up, or if anyone was kidding or not.
They get outside, and as my friend described it, there's "deer jerky" hanging from the trees. A deer had apparently stepped on an East German landmine and had not-so-apparently obliterated a small herd.
The captain was pissed he didn't get to shoot anyone. "Everyone back to bed. Those East German pussies will be here tomorrow, too. And then we'll get 'em!"
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 3:06 PM on November 4, 2009 [4 favorites]
I wonder if there could be a more conventional explanation, like some sort of chemical present in the border area that deters red deer specifically.
Probably not since female deer never cross but the adolescent males sometimes do. (And then the fawns giggle and say "Oh my God!")
posted by msalt at 3:18 PM on November 4, 2009
Probably not since female deer never cross but the adolescent males sometimes do. (And then the fawns giggle and say "Oh my God!")
posted by msalt at 3:18 PM on November 4, 2009
I have no knowledge of deer behaviour, but I bought into the theory that if Mom and Dad didn't go past a certain point, then Bambi isn't doing it either. Don't know why I buy into that, but I do.
On a slight tangent, why are deer hunters always going on about their stalking and tracking prowess on those TV shows? Honest question - not snarking. The reason I ask is that the few times I play golf on the local municipal course (not only this time of year - the Rut) I find deer very approachable - including Bucks. Sometimes you have to shoo them off the fairways.
posted by Nick Verstayne at 4:08 PM on November 4, 2009
On a slight tangent, why are deer hunters always going on about their stalking and tracking prowess on those TV shows? Honest question - not snarking. The reason I ask is that the few times I play golf on the local municipal course (not only this time of year - the Rut) I find deer very approachable - including Bucks. Sometimes you have to shoo them off the fairways.
posted by Nick Verstayne at 4:08 PM on November 4, 2009
And yes, that's shoo them. No t at the end there. I don't pack and play.
posted by Nick Verstayne at 4:10 PM on November 4, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by Nick Verstayne at 4:10 PM on November 4, 2009 [2 favorites]
This is all very simple. Deers like many herd animals follow fairly rigid trails. There's fairly simple logic to this, "if trails sustain us do not go off trail." The Cold War forced new trails to be forged, and there simply has not been a good reason to go off the trails.
The idea that they the Cold War is kept alive in the memory of animals is a romantic notion, but do not confuse memory with the instinct to follow the path of least resistance. If during the winter we were to go out there and clear a trail to the Czech side of the border and cover up the existing trails, they'd have no fucking clue. They're dumb deer.
posted by geoff. at 5:10 PM on November 4, 2009 [1 favorite]
The idea that they the Cold War is kept alive in the memory of animals is a romantic notion, but do not confuse memory with the instinct to follow the path of least resistance. If during the winter we were to go out there and clear a trail to the Czech side of the border and cover up the existing trails, they'd have no fucking clue. They're dumb deer.
posted by geoff. at 5:10 PM on November 4, 2009 [1 favorite]
Ahornia my deer, when you find yourself in the thick of it help yourself to a bit of what is all around you. Silly girl.
posted by tellurian at 6:42 PM on November 4, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by tellurian at 6:42 PM on November 4, 2009 [1 favorite]
On a slight tangent, why are deer hunters always going on about their stalking and tracking prowess on those TV shows?
I don't know the TV shows in question, but if they actually do this I find it strange because as far as I know deer hunting consists of:
posted by moonbiter at 12:17 AM on November 5, 2009
I don't know the TV shows in question, but if they actually do this I find it strange because as far as I know deer hunting consists of:
- climb up into tree stand (or, in Germany, a little house on stilts) at Christ-it's-early in the morning,
- freeze ass off until deer walks nearby,
- shoot deer with gun or (in the States) compound bow.
posted by moonbiter at 12:17 AM on November 5, 2009
Years ago I read a story in Sports Illustrated about a long distance runner who would chase deer. It turns out that while they are super fast, they don't have much endurance. So off the deer would go, he's track them and eventually catch up. BAM! The deer would run off again. He'd trudge along ,etc.
Eventually the deer would collapse with exhaustion (and probably, confusion). Especially since the guy would just walk up and pet it, then leave. Probably less cruel to just shoot the damn thing.
posted by msalt at 12:13 PM on November 5, 2009
Eventually the deer would collapse with exhaustion (and probably, confusion). Especially since the guy would just walk up and pet it, then leave. Probably less cruel to just shoot the damn thing.
posted by msalt at 12:13 PM on November 5, 2009
The BBC Natural World series had a great episode on wildlife in the Green Belt last spring: Iron Curtain: Ribbon of Life. It’s available on DVD as part of the BBC Natural World collection (and mentioned previously).
posted by ahughey at 4:07 AM on November 6, 2009
posted by ahughey at 4:07 AM on November 6, 2009
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