Q. And is there any significance to "new fags"? [...] What about "b tard"?
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moot explains 4chan to a jury [PDF], via The Smoking Gun.
Christopher “Moot” Poole, founder of 4chan, was testifying in the case U.S. v. Kernell regarding the hacking of Sarah Palin's Yahoo Mail account. moot had turned server logs over to the FBI that linked the Palin hack to Kernell, who was convicted of two felony counts.
Christopher “Moot” Poole, founder of 4chan, was testifying in the case U.S. v. Kernell regarding the hacking of Sarah Palin's Yahoo Mail account. moot had turned server logs over to the FBI that linked the Palin hack to Kernell, who was convicted of two felony counts.
Here's a self-permalink to the PDF for when it gets unhosted one day in the future.
posted by BeerFilter at 8:23 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by BeerFilter at 8:23 AM on August 10, 2010
It's like someone just asked the entire internet "WELL? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!"
posted by The Whelk at 8:24 AM on August 10, 2010 [64 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 8:24 AM on August 10, 2010 [64 favorites]
Alas, all the gold has been mined by the Smoking Gun quote/headline, and ODiV here, but I still almost suffered a coffee spit-take in the transition from dry lawyerly stuff to... dry lawyerly 4chan stuff.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:28 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:28 AM on August 10, 2010
Questions I'd like to have seen asked:
Q. What is a milf?
posted by MuffinMan at 8:30 AM on August 10, 2010
Q. What is a milf?
posted by MuffinMan at 8:30 AM on August 10, 2010
I'm genuinely confused by why Rickrolling came up on both direct and cross. Was this done to clarify 4chan for the jury?
posted by Sticherbeast at 8:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by Sticherbeast at 8:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
Q: Can you please show the court, using the terminal in front of you, how to Tri-force?
A: No.
posted by littlerobothead at 8:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [42 favorites]
A: No.
posted by littlerobothead at 8:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [42 favorites]
Q. "Rickroll"?
A. Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend that started on 4chan where users -- it basically a bait and switch. Users link you to a video of Rick Astley performing Never Gonna Give You Up.
BEAT THAT PERRY MASON!
posted by MuffinMan at 8:34 AM on August 10, 2010
A. Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend that started on 4chan where users -- it basically a bait and switch. Users link you to a video of Rick Astley performing Never Gonna Give You Up.
BEAT THAT PERRY MASON!
posted by MuffinMan at 8:34 AM on August 10, 2010
It is the opinion of the court that he cannot make a reasonable promise or expectation to never, ever give you up, let you down, or hurt you.
posted by The Whelk at 8:35 AM on August 10, 2010 [43 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 8:35 AM on August 10, 2010 [43 favorites]
Q. (Rick Astley) was some kind of singer?
A. Yes.
Q. It's a joke?
A. Yes.
Q. Would I get this from any other guy?
A. No.
posted by DU at 8:35 AM on August 10, 2010 [28 favorites]
A. Yes.
Q. It's a joke?
A. Yes.
Q. Would I get this from any other guy?
A. No.
posted by DU at 8:35 AM on August 10, 2010 [28 favorites]
I call to the stand... RICK ASTLEY.
*gallery gasps*
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:36 AM on August 10, 2010 [61 favorites]
*gallery gasps*
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:36 AM on August 10, 2010 [61 favorites]
moot had turned server logs over to the FBI
The Man is coming from inside the internet.
posted by DU at 8:36 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
The Man is coming from inside the internet.
posted by DU at 8:36 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Q. BUT WHO WAS PHONE
A. *does barrel roll*
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:41 AM on August 10, 2010 [8 favorites]
A. *does barrel roll*
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:41 AM on August 10, 2010 [8 favorites]
Giving a humorless AUSA the one in a lifetime opportunity to rickroll a judge is a bit like giving a winning lottery ticket to a brazillionaire. The universe can be a cruel master.
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:42 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:42 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
Given the context, what exactly is the relevance of the rickroll?
posted by l33tpolicywonk at 8:43 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by l33tpolicywonk at 8:43 AM on August 10, 2010
Objection! This witness has not been qualified. How do we know he's an expert on the internet?
Q. Would you please look at your watch and tell the Court what time it is?
A. It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time.
Q. We are the Space Robots.
A. Please go stand by the stairs.
Q. Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger --
THE COURT: ENOUGH!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:45 AM on August 10, 2010 [17 favorites]
Q. Would you please look at your watch and tell the Court what time it is?
A. It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time.
Q. We are the Space Robots.
A. Please go stand by the stairs.
Q. Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger Badger --
THE COURT: ENOUGH!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:45 AM on August 10, 2010 [17 favorites]
THE COURT: MUSHROOM! MUSHROOM!
posted by The Whelk at 8:49 AM on August 10, 2010 [11 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 8:49 AM on August 10, 2010 [11 favorites]
Judge: Counselor, how many more of these "memes" do you intend this court to endure?
P: IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!
posted by AkzidenzGrotesk at 8:52 AM on August 10, 2010 [23 favorites]
P: IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!
posted by AkzidenzGrotesk at 8:52 AM on August 10, 2010 [23 favorites]
Odiv and DU, obviously we all like taking things out of context. Hooray! Is that a joke... heh.
posted by LD Feral at 8:52 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by LD Feral at 8:52 AM on August 10, 2010
Anything You Say Can And Will Belong To Us.
posted by Mister_A at 8:53 AM on August 10, 2010 [15 favorites]
posted by Mister_A at 8:53 AM on August 10, 2010 [15 favorites]
I guess he wasn't behind seven proxies.
posted by WinnipegDragon at 8:53 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by WinnipegDragon at 8:53 AM on August 10, 2010
I call to the stand... RICK ASTLEY.
/Dramatic Chipmunk suddenly turns to face the camera.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 8:54 AM on August 10, 2010 [13 favorites]
/Dramatic Chipmunk suddenly turns to face the camera.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 8:54 AM on August 10, 2010 [13 favorites]
I'm 12 and what is this?
posted by fingerbang at 8:55 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by fingerbang at 8:55 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
waaaahmbulance chasers!
posted by The Whelk at 8:55 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 8:55 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Badger Badger Badger --
Objection. He's badgering the witness.
posted by kid ichorous at 8:57 AM on August 10, 2010 [50 favorites]
Objection. He's badgering the witness.
posted by kid ichorous at 8:57 AM on August 10, 2010 [50 favorites]
I have your new Internet mean here you go okay.
posted by swift at 8:57 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by swift at 8:57 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Moot also moves his mouth away from the mic to breath.
posted by hellojed at 8:59 AM on August 10, 2010 [20 favorites]
posted by hellojed at 8:59 AM on August 10, 2010 [20 favorites]
The trial will be effectively over when they call Weegie to the stand.
posted by The Whelk at 9:03 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by The Whelk at 9:03 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
im in ur courthouse explainin ur memes.
posted by empath at 9:04 AM on August 10, 2010 [23 favorites]
posted by empath at 9:04 AM on August 10, 2010 [23 favorites]
That was probably the most bizarre examination seen in a while.
"What is the significance of 'mai waifu'? "
posted by palabradot at 9:06 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
"What is the significance of 'mai waifu'? "
posted by palabradot at 9:06 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Wow. He founded 4chan when he was 15? That's amazing. When I was 15 I couldn't even drive yet. Impressive.
And at 22, to have to testify somberly when someone clueless is earnestly interrogating you about rickrolling? That must be surreal.
posted by misha at 9:06 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
And at 22, to have to testify somberly when someone clueless is earnestly interrogating you about rickrolling? That must be surreal.
posted by misha at 9:06 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Q. "Rickroll"?
A. Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend that started on 4chan where users
I'm guessing he meant "meme" instead "mean" and the court steno missed it.
posted by NoraCharles at 9:07 AM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
A. Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend that started on 4chan where users
I'm guessing he meant "meme" instead "mean" and the court steno missed it.
posted by NoraCharles at 9:07 AM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
Somebody make a "breaking rules 1 and 2" joke because I'm not coming up with anything worthwhile.
posted by penduluum at 9:09 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by penduluum at 9:09 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
Given the context, what exactly is the relevance of the rickroll?
Start at 12:7 of the transcript; it's testimony establishing the "language" of 4chan. The AUSA is trying to "explain" 4chan to the jury, probably to set up the background for Kernell's confession on 4chan.
posted by Dr. Zira at 9:09 AM on August 10, 2010
Start at 12:7 of the transcript; it's testimony establishing the "language" of 4chan. The AUSA is trying to "explain" 4chan to the jury, probably to set up the background for Kernell's confession on 4chan.
posted by Dr. Zira at 9:09 AM on August 10, 2010
The court steno also misspelled "white knight" as "white night." Makes you wonder how many errors are in court transcripts that you never notice.
Thinking more on it, I think the "rickrolling" line of question probably applies to the thread itself that is in evidence. Perhaps in the thread someone linked to Palin's "dox" but instead rickrolled his fellow 4channers. It would be logical, then, for both sides to want to clarify that the rickroll link is not the link under discussion in court.
Just shooting in the dark here.
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:10 AM on August 10, 2010
Thinking more on it, I think the "rickrolling" line of question probably applies to the thread itself that is in evidence. Perhaps in the thread someone linked to Palin's "dox" but instead rickrolled his fellow 4channers. It would be logical, then, for both sides to want to clarify that the rickroll link is not the link under discussion in court.
Just shooting in the dark here.
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:10 AM on August 10, 2010
I'm genuinely confused by why Rickrolling came up on both direct and cross.
Counsel, I believe it's time to give up that line of questioning.
Seriously, nobody caught that both the defense and prosecution just Rickrolled the Court?
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 9:12 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
Counsel, I believe it's time to give up that line of questioning.
Seriously, nobody caught that both the defense and prosecution just Rickrolled the Court?
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 9:12 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
Start at 12:7 of the transcript; it's testimony establishing the "language" of 4chan. The AUSA is trying to "explain" 4chan to the jury, probably to set up the background for Kernell's confession on 4chan.
What's confusing here is that the rickroll comes up on both direct and cross.
Maybe the crossing attorney put in the rickroll stuff to show that s/he, too, was familiar with 4chan's universe - in the cross, the attorney implies that s/he knows that rickrolling is a joke.
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:13 AM on August 10, 2010
What's confusing here is that the rickroll comes up on both direct and cross.
Maybe the crossing attorney put in the rickroll stuff to show that s/he, too, was familiar with 4chan's universe - in the cross, the attorney implies that s/he knows that rickrolling is a joke.
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:13 AM on August 10, 2010
Moot argues moot points in moot court. It could happen!
posted by kmz at 9:14 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
posted by kmz at 9:14 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
Here's the 'confession', which explains most of the questions about vocabulary, but interestingly, Rickrolling isn't mentioned. I think maybe the attorneys were having a little fun.
posted by empath at 9:15 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by empath at 9:15 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Q. Turn to the last page, please. What do the
4chan records show that this user at this IP address was
engaged in on September 17th, 2008, at approximately
12:57 Eastern time?
A. The user posted a new thread and then
responded twice to a thread.
Q. Now, in this exhibit in the Referrer area,
what is the significance of the number 85782652?
A. That's the thread number.
Q. And how come there is one at 12:58 and another
one at 13:00 or one o'clock?
A. sage
posted by Mblue at 9:15 AM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
4chan records show that this user at this IP address was
engaged in on September 17th, 2008, at approximately
12:57 Eastern time?
A. The user posted a new thread and then
responded twice to a thread.
Q. Now, in this exhibit in the Referrer area,
what is the significance of the number 85782652?
A. That's the thread number.
Q. And how come there is one at 12:58 and another
one at 13:00 or one o'clock?
A. sage
posted by Mblue at 9:15 AM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
This is fairly interesting, in the sense that I had always wondered just how much information 4chan keeps as an entity. You have to assume that some amount of logging is simply built in by virtue of having an Apache server and so forth. At some level, it becomes more about actively deleting logs than trying to keep them.
In some theoretical, near-lawless data haven, how much would be kept? Would information be kept and simply not rendered to authorities when they demanded it? What materials would m00t decide were bannable offenses, if any?
We're reaching a point, with botnets, at which IP bans are getting a little less useful than they used to be, hence the recent implementation of reCaptcha on 4chan. With logs becoming less useful for site defense purposes, but presenting a legal liability, will site owners work harder to simply get rid of them?
posted by adipocere at 9:16 AM on August 10, 2010
In some theoretical, near-lawless data haven, how much would be kept? Would information be kept and simply not rendered to authorities when they demanded it? What materials would m00t decide were bannable offenses, if any?
We're reaching a point, with botnets, at which IP bans are getting a little less useful than they used to be, hence the recent implementation of reCaptcha on 4chan. With logs becoming less useful for site defense purposes, but presenting a legal liability, will site owners work harder to simply get rid of them?
posted by adipocere at 9:16 AM on August 10, 2010
Given the context, what exactly is the relevance of the rickroll?
Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend.
posted by carter at 9:16 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend.
posted by carter at 9:16 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
Q: Can you please explain what "The Game" is?
THE COURT: Damn it!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 9:16 AM on August 10, 2010 [49 favorites]
THE COURT: Damn it!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 9:16 AM on August 10, 2010 [49 favorites]
> implying my client is guilty
*jury acquits*
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:18 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
*jury acquits*
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:18 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
I am /b/tard and must let MeFites know the way this guy talks is like sysadmin and is stupid for we do not actually talk like this. I would, however, cross-examine him full force in deposition, witness stand, and sealed statement.
posted by Ian A.T. at 9:19 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by Ian A.T. at 9:19 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Seriously, nobody caught that both the defense and prosecution just Rickrolled the Court?
Noooooooo, this does not count as a rickroll. One cannot be rickrolled on a meta level. The only way the attorneys could have properly rickrolled the judge or jury would have been through a demonstrative exhibit.
Periodically, I will have discussions with fellow lawyers about the required mens rea of a rickroll. Can one negligently or recklessly rickroll? I argue that negligent rickrolls count, while others argue that the severity of the offense (and the ideal appropriate punishment) requires the prosecution to prove a higher level of mens rea, such as knowingly or willfully.
posted by Dr. Zira at 9:19 AM on August 10, 2010 [13 favorites]
Noooooooo, this does not count as a rickroll. One cannot be rickrolled on a meta level. The only way the attorneys could have properly rickrolled the judge or jury would have been through a demonstrative exhibit.
Periodically, I will have discussions with fellow lawyers about the required mens rea of a rickroll. Can one negligently or recklessly rickroll? I argue that negligent rickrolls count, while others argue that the severity of the offense (and the ideal appropriate punishment) requires the prosecution to prove a higher level of mens rea, such as knowingly or willfully.
posted by Dr. Zira at 9:19 AM on August 10, 2010 [13 favorites]
I think moot is a pretty cool guy. eh testifies in federal court and doesnt afraid of anything.
posted by infinitewindow at 9:31 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by infinitewindow at 9:31 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
I am /b/tard
You are the cancer that is killing /b/.
Rules 1&2.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 9:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [6 favorites]
You are the cancer that is killing /b/.
Rules 1&2.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 9:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [6 favorites]
[Court]
We are aware of no internet traditions.
posted by Gilbert at 9:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
We are aware of no internet traditions.
posted by Gilbert at 9:33 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Q: Can you please explain what "The Game" is?
THE COURT: Damn it!
*chortles at her desk*
posted by palabradot at 9:34 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
THE COURT: Damn it!
*chortles at her desk*
posted by palabradot at 9:34 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
I like how we have no img tag ... and the community response is that people are forced to use their words to ironically aside to a textual descriptions of LOLcats and animated gifs.
It is something akin to reading the braille version of sky-writing I suppose.
posted by Back to you, Jim. at 9:35 AM on August 10, 2010
It is something akin to reading the braille version of sky-writing I suppose.
posted by Back to you, Jim. at 9:35 AM on August 10, 2010
A. Yes, this was taken from the Anime board.
Q. It is called Animu & Mango?
A. That is a misspelling, actually. It's Anime & Mango. That's an intentional misspelling on the board there.
Heh. I had no idea that there was so much overlap between fans of Japanese animation and tropical fruits.
posted by Johnny Assay at 9:36 AM on August 10, 2010
Q. It is called Animu & Mango?
A. That is a misspelling, actually. It's Anime & Mango. That's an intentional misspelling on the board there.
Heh. I had no idea that there was so much overlap between fans of Japanese animation and tropical fruits.
posted by Johnny Assay at 9:36 AM on August 10, 2010
Anybody else fapping?
posted by punkfloyd at 9:43 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by punkfloyd at 9:43 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Q. Good morning. Can you please state and spell your full name for the record.
A. Christopher Poole, C-h-r-i-s-t-o-p-h-e-r P-o-o-l-e.
I was under the impression that this wasn't his real name and that he'd chosen it only because of the intials CP. Guess I was wrong, or he totally just trolled the court.
posted by komara at 9:45 AM on August 10, 2010
A. Christopher Poole, C-h-r-i-s-t-o-p-h-e-r P-o-o-l-e.
I was under the impression that this wasn't his real name and that he'd chosen it only because of the intials CP. Guess I was wrong, or he totally just trolled the court.
posted by komara at 9:45 AM on August 10, 2010
There really is no one on Earth less able to talk about what he has created than moot. It's quite hilarious. His TED talk is particularly painful.
posted by StoicRomance at 9:46 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by StoicRomance at 9:46 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
misha: Wow. He founded 4chan when he was 15? That's amazing.
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posted by The Winsome Parker Lewis at 9:48 AM on August 10, 2010 [69 favorites]
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posted by The Winsome Parker Lewis at 9:48 AM on August 10, 2010 [69 favorites]
He's a kid. I don't think there's a lot of 20 year olds that would do as well explaining pretty much anything.
posted by empath at 9:48 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by empath at 9:48 AM on August 10, 2010
Q. Mr. Poole, can you please click to move to the next Powerpoint slide and explain the Apache log data you see there?
* click* "...never gonna give you up, never gonna.."
A. DAMMIT.
Q. Moving on...
posted by AzraelBrown at 9:49 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
* click* "...never gonna give you up, never gonna.."
A. DAMMIT.
Q. Moving on...
posted by AzraelBrown at 9:49 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
I went on /b/ once and on the front page there was a gay porn thread that began with the OP saying "starting a new gay thread because straightfags ruined the last one by spamming pics of women."
posted by "Elbows" O'Donoghue at 9:51 AM on August 10, 2010 [19 favorites]
posted by "Elbows" O'Donoghue at 9:51 AM on August 10, 2010 [19 favorites]
"Mr. Poole, can you please describe for the jury what a 'lemonparty' is?"
"Really?"
"Yes, Mr. Poole. Really."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:52 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
"Really?"
"Yes, Mr. Poole. Really."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:52 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Metafilter: a mean or Internet kind of trend.
posted by l33tpolicywonk at 9:52 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by l33tpolicywonk at 9:52 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Here's the 'confession', which explains most of the questions about vocabulary, but interestingly, Rickrolling isn't mentioned. I think maybe the attorneys were having a little fun.
Reading that, I'm almost more surprised by the things they didn't ask moot about, i.e. "pics or gtfo", "THIS Internet was serious business", "screenshits", "rapidshit", etc.
I guess if you have no idea what those mean, you're not focusing on them and assume they're typos or don't matter, but I can't help but feel like I've missed out on so many more dry explanations of Internet in-jokes.
I was under the impression that this wasn't his real name and that he'd chosen it only because of the intials CP. Guess I was wrong, or he totally just trolled the court.
oh sweet lord someone please subpoena his birth certificate or something because i'm dying to hear his explanation of that
posted by Copronymus at 9:53 AM on August 10, 2010
Reading that, I'm almost more surprised by the things they didn't ask moot about, i.e. "pics or gtfo", "THIS Internet was serious business", "screenshits", "rapidshit", etc.
I guess if you have no idea what those mean, you're not focusing on them and assume they're typos or don't matter, but I can't help but feel like I've missed out on so many more dry explanations of Internet in-jokes.
I was under the impression that this wasn't his real name and that he'd chosen it only because of the intials CP. Guess I was wrong, or he totally just trolled the court.
oh sweet lord someone please subpoena his birth certificate or something because i'm dying to hear his explanation of that
posted by Copronymus at 9:53 AM on August 10, 2010
Kafkaesque:
A. I am sorry, I don't understand the question.
Q. Certainly. Do the records show who initiated that thread starting at about 12:57?
posted by a womble is an active kind of sloth at 9:57 AM on August 10, 2010
A. I am sorry, I don't understand the question.
Q. Certainly. Do the records show who initiated that thread starting at about 12:57?
posted by a womble is an active kind of sloth at 9:57 AM on August 10, 2010
Jury pool's closed.
posted by ryoshu at 10:00 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
posted by ryoshu at 10:00 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
What about "white night"? Does that have a unique meaning on 4chan?
I think white night has something to do with animu and mango.
posted by seanyboy at 10:00 AM on August 10, 2010
I think white night has something to do with animu and mango.
posted by seanyboy at 10:00 AM on August 10, 2010
Wow. He founded 4chan when he was 15? That's amazing. When I was 15 I couldn't even drive yet. Impressive.
Well, really, isn't that prime teenage geekerdom rebel without a cause age?
Weren't we all setting up BBS's or trying to get on to BBS's at that age? I imagine any kid doing that today would be doing, well, a website. Check out that TED talk, he speaks quite candidly as to how he started up the board just to have a US version of one he liked in JP. To have it become the center of the meme verse, though, that was just win.
posted by cavalier at 10:01 AM on August 10, 2010
Well, really, isn't that prime teenage geekerdom rebel without a cause age?
Weren't we all setting up BBS's or trying to get on to BBS's at that age? I imagine any kid doing that today would be doing, well, a website. Check out that TED talk, he speaks quite candidly as to how he started up the board just to have a US version of one he liked in JP. To have it become the center of the meme verse, though, that was just win.
posted by cavalier at 10:01 AM on August 10, 2010
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How do they get their cats wedged into those scanners?posted by "Elbows" O'Donoghue at 10:02 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
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posted by Venadium at 10:04 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
I sort of feel like this whole thing has unexpectedly turned into a Leslie Nielsen movie.
posted by quin at 10:14 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by quin at 10:14 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
I sort of feel like this whole thing has unexpectedly turned into a Leslie Nielsen movie.
The Smoking Gun 33 1/3?
posted by carbide at 10:18 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
The Smoking Gun 33 1/3?
posted by carbide at 10:18 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Q. And what is the first rule for the /b/ board
and all boards?
if moot answered that question correctly, he could never have taken the stand.
OH SHI-
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 10:20 AM on August 10, 2010
and all boards?
if moot answered that question correctly, he could never have taken the stand.
OH SHI-
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 10:20 AM on August 10, 2010
That was the most articulate, detailed and concise explanation of 4chan I could imagine. It also completely failed to describe 4chan. For that, I am grateful.
posted by workerant at 10:21 AM on August 10, 2010
posted by workerant at 10:21 AM on August 10, 2010
Denizens of /b/--where memes are born, cyberbullying campaigns are hatched, and child porn can sometimes be found--might be surprised to discover that 4chan isn’t as lawless as it seems.
Wait what? Is this just reference to the fact that moot turned over the logs? Cuz nothing in the transcript indicates anything of interest at all except that 4chan keeps apache logs.
posted by beerbajay at 10:22 AM on August 10, 2010
Wait what? Is this just reference to the fact that moot turned over the logs? Cuz nothing in the transcript indicates anything of interest at all except that 4chan keeps apache logs.
posted by beerbajay at 10:22 AM on August 10, 2010
Honestly, I wouldn't have expected quite the amount of 4chan/MetaFilter overlap I'm seeing here. Impressive.
posted by Mooski at 10:28 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by Mooski at 10:28 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Is it coincidence that today is also the day when 4chan made the front page of the Washington Post (albeit below the fold)? I imagine hordes of soccer moms going there out of curiosity, then completely banning their kids from the internet in horror.
Also, like a friend said. "Washington Post: 4chan Potty Mouthed; Atomic Bombs Kind of Dangerous; Universe Pretty Big."
posted by gemmy at 10:38 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Also, like a friend said. "Washington Post: 4chan Potty Mouthed; Atomic Bombs Kind of Dangerous; Universe Pretty Big."
posted by gemmy at 10:38 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Rule 34 on MetaFilter!
Oh, and I always liked the 4chan = Mos Eisley, /b/ = cantina shorthand explanation.
posted by PontifexPrimus at 10:38 AM on August 10, 2010
Oh, and I always liked the 4chan = Mos Eisley, /b/ = cantina shorthand explanation.
posted by PontifexPrimus at 10:38 AM on August 10, 2010
Then the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things.Yeah, I just shared this thing in a public place where things usually get ruined, but I didn't expect THIS thing to get ruined!
posted by muddgirl at 10:55 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
Wait, there are mods? Who ensure legality of content?
posted by filthy light thief at 11:03 AM on August 10, 2010
Q. And sometimes it is said that there is very little rules on the /b/ board?And moot goes on to say that the only thing you need to include on a post is the content, so banning a particular user isn't as useful as it might sound.
A. Yes.
Q. However, do certain rules apply?
A. Yes, there is a note that all /b/ global or a handful of /b/ global rules apply to the /b/ board.
Q. And what is the first rule for the /b/ board and all boards?
A. Do not post any material that violates local or United States law.
Q. Now, are there moderators that assist the 4chan site?
A. Yes.
Q. What is their role?
A. Moderators are tasked with the deletion of rule infringing content and banishment of users who break these rules.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:03 AM on August 10, 2010
Q. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
A. LOL WUT?
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 11:13 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
A. LOL WUT?
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 11:13 AM on August 10, 2010 [3 favorites]
And moot goes on to say that the only thing you need to include on a post is the content, so banning a particular user isn't as useful as it might sound.
Well technically you include both the content and an IP. The IP is what gets banned. There's a question as to how well IP-bans work, but that's a problem for pretty much any free website.
posted by Lemurrhea at 11:14 AM on August 10, 2010
Well technically you include both the content and an IP. The IP is what gets banned. There's a question as to how well IP-bans work, but that's a problem for pretty much any free website.
posted by Lemurrhea at 11:14 AM on August 10, 2010
I'm genuinely confused by why Rickrolling came up on both direct and cross. Was this done to clarify 4chan for the jury?
I'm not surprised you're confused; the mainstream media did an absolutely terrible job of reporting the story. But if you read enough sources from when it first broke, and before the real story was buried, you'd know that the biggest open secret in D.C. is that Sarah Palin is, and I'm not making this up, Rick Astley in a wig and some creative prosthetics.
posted by cmonkey at 11:19 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
I'm not surprised you're confused; the mainstream media did an absolutely terrible job of reporting the story. But if you read enough sources from when it first broke, and before the real story was buried, you'd know that the biggest open secret in D.C. is that Sarah Palin is, and I'm not making this up, Rick Astley in a wig and some creative prosthetics.
posted by cmonkey at 11:19 AM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Thinking more on it, I think the "rickrolling" line of question probably applies to the thread itself that is in evidence. Perhaps in the thread someone linked to Palin's "dox" but instead rickrolled his fellow 4channers. It would be logical, then, for both sides to want to clarify that the rickroll link is not the link under discussion in court.
I think this is pretty likely, actually. Alternately, the defendant might have rickrolled someone in the confession thread, meaning that it will be discussed when that evidence is presented.
posted by muddgirl at 11:34 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
I think this is pretty likely, actually. Alternately, the defendant might have rickrolled someone in the confession thread, meaning that it will be discussed when that evidence is presented.
posted by muddgirl at 11:34 AM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Client: I think it's going well.
Counsel: "Well"? You're a hair's breadth from a contempt citation! Listen carefully and do exactly as I say. I'm going to ask you about "caturday". I want you to –
Client: LEEEEROOOOY JENKINS!!!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 11:47 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
Counsel: "Well"? You're a hair's breadth from a contempt citation! Listen carefully and do exactly as I say. I'm going to ask you about "caturday". I want you to –
Client: LEEEEROOOOY JENKINS!!!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 11:47 AM on August 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
I feel that moot’s definition of a troll as simply a “troublemaker,” sullies the medium and the creators who work in creating new and unique performance pieces in networked antagonism.
posted by edbles at 12:00 PM on August 10, 2010 [7 favorites]
posted by edbles at 12:00 PM on August 10, 2010 [7 favorites]
I feel that moot’s definition of a troll as simply a “troublemaker,” sullies the medium and the creators who work in creating new and unique performance pieces in networked antagonism.
u mad?
posted by Venadium at 12:02 PM on August 10, 2010 [7 favorites]
u mad?
posted by Venadium at 12:02 PM on August 10, 2010 [7 favorites]
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we're no strangers to law. The defendant knows the rules, and so do I-- a full sentence's what I'm thinkin' of. You couldn't give this to any other guy.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:07 PM on August 10, 2010 [7 favorites]
posted by shakespeherian at 12:07 PM on August 10, 2010 [7 favorites]
Give it up.
posted by tigrefacile at 12:08 PM on August 10, 2010
posted by tigrefacile at 12:08 PM on August 10, 2010
> Honestly, I wouldn't have expected quite the amount of 4chan/MetaFilter overlap I'm seeing here. Impressive.
The mefi churchwardens would never ever smoke, drink or fuck where they're likely to get caught. Bearing that in mind helps take the all the enormous NANNY IS NOT AMUSED threads a wee bit less seriously.
posted by jfuller at 12:15 PM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
The mefi churchwardens would never ever smoke, drink or fuck where they're likely to get caught. Bearing that in mind helps take the all the enormous NANNY IS NOT AMUSED threads a wee bit less seriously.
posted by jfuller at 12:15 PM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Here's the 'confession', which explains most of the questions about vocabulary, but interestingly, Rickrolling isn't mentioned.
I suspect that in the thread where he (allegedly) announced his exploits, some other participants dismissed it as 'just a rickroll' or something along those lines. Normally I would try to find some evidence to confirm this theory and provide a link to it, but in this case everyone would assume I was rickrolling them, and my effort would be wasted. So it remains nothing more than a shrewd theoretical gambit on my part.
posted by anigbrowl at 12:16 PM on August 10, 2010
I suspect that in the thread where he (allegedly) announced his exploits, some other participants dismissed it as 'just a rickroll' or something along those lines. Normally I would try to find some evidence to confirm this theory and provide a link to it, but in this case everyone would assume I was rickrolling them, and my effort would be wasted. So it remains nothing more than a shrewd theoretical gambit on my part.
posted by anigbrowl at 12:16 PM on August 10, 2010
Was anyone hoping that m00t's reply would be "Trolling is a art"?
posted by adipocere at 12:22 PM on August 10, 2010
posted by adipocere at 12:22 PM on August 10, 2010
I think moot's a pretty cool guy. eh testifies in court and doesnt afraid of anything.
posted by jquinby at 12:33 PM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by jquinby at 12:33 PM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
moot at TED.
This talk about the importance of anonymity on /b/ goes well with the linked testimony concerned with the identification of a poster on /b/.
posted by ODiV at 12:39 PM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
This talk about the importance of anonymity on /b/ goes well with the linked testimony concerned with the identification of a poster on /b/.
posted by ODiV at 12:39 PM on August 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we're no strangers to law. The defendant knows the rules, and so do I-- a full sentence's what I'm thinkin' of. You couldn't give this to any other guy.
Heh.
posted by zarq at 1:04 PM on August 10, 2010
Heh.
posted by zarq at 1:04 PM on August 10, 2010
4chan's founder, Christopher Poole, recently raised $625,000 in funding to create a new online community. Among his investors are some of the most revered Internet inventors and businessmen, including Netscape founder Marc Andreessen, former AOL executive Kenneth Lerer and former Googler Joshua Schachter. The startup is still in stealth mode, so Poole declined to give details.
what is this i dont even
posted by Potomac Avenue at 1:04 PM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
what is this i dont even
posted by Potomac Avenue at 1:04 PM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
I imagine hordes of soccer moms going there out of curiosity, then completely banning their kids from the internet in horror.
4chan has improved a lot - they actually moderate to remove child porn, there's no more loli or guro hentai, and the endless "nigger" chant is lowered to sporadic use instead of every page.
Still not a great place by any account, but I suspect parents won't see it as any -worse- than most random porn places one could wander onto the internet.
posted by yeloson at 1:05 PM on August 10, 2010
4chan has improved a lot - they actually moderate to remove child porn, there's no more loli or guro hentai, and the endless "nigger" chant is lowered to sporadic use instead of every page.
Still not a great place by any account, but I suspect parents won't see it as any -worse- than most random porn places one could wander onto the internet.
posted by yeloson at 1:05 PM on August 10, 2010
Potomac Avenue:
"The startup is still in stealth mode, so Poole declined to give details."
what is this i dont even
4chan Gold.
posted by komara at 1:09 PM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
"The startup is still in stealth mode, so Poole declined to give details."
what is this i dont even
4chan Gold.
posted by komara at 1:09 PM on August 10, 2010 [4 favorites]
Mooski wrote: "Impressive."
Its impressive and disturbing at the same time. It's impressive that the 4chan retards can hold it together well enough to pay their $5, yet it's disturbing that they can hold it together well enough that you might never know they're around.
</sarcasm>
posted by wierdo at 1:14 PM on August 10, 2010
Its impressive and disturbing at the same time. It's impressive that the 4chan retards can hold it together well enough to pay their $5, yet it's disturbing that they can hold it together well enough that you might never know they're around.
</sarcasm>
posted by wierdo at 1:14 PM on August 10, 2010
"The startup is still in stealth mode, so Poole declined to give details."
Begin Phase Two.
posted by The Whelk at 1:18 PM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Begin Phase Two.
posted by The Whelk at 1:18 PM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Do you like bubble tea or visit the arcade?
a/s/l?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 2:19 PM on August 10, 2010
a/s/l?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 2:19 PM on August 10, 2010
I'm only 12 and what is this
posted by ambulocetus at 4:28 PM on August 10, 2010
posted by ambulocetus at 4:28 PM on August 10, 2010
Q: Could you describe the phenomenon known as Candleja
A: It's very simple he's a
JUDGE: Please finish your sente
posted by Sebmojo at 6:58 PM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
A: It's very simple he's a
JUDGE: Please finish your sente
posted by Sebmojo at 6:58 PM on August 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Q. And does it fairly and accurately show the
4chan records concerning September 16th, 17th, for
Internet protocol 66.253.190.21?
A. Yes.
For some reason most of the not quite right talk doesn't grate on me, but this? This is like nails on a chalkboard, this is. Internet Protocol [v4] Address. Sigh.
posted by tarheelcoxn at 12:16 AM on August 11, 2010
4chan records concerning September 16th, 17th, for
Internet protocol 66.253.190.21?
A. Yes.
For some reason most of the not quite right talk doesn't grate on me, but this? This is like nails on a chalkboard, this is. Internet Protocol [v4] Address. Sigh.
posted by tarheelcoxn at 12:16 AM on August 11, 2010
The first rule of running an actually anonymous forum is do not keep logs.
The second rule of running an actually anonymous forum is do NOT keep logs.
This talk about the importance of anonymity on /b/ goes well with the linked testimony concerned with the identification of a poster on /b/. QFT.
How is this thread 120 comments in and nobody has yet mentioned what comes just after the rickroll questions?!
The second rule of running an actually anonymous forum is do NOT keep logs.
This talk about the importance of anonymity on /b/ goes well with the linked testimony concerned with the identification of a poster on /b/. QFT.
How is this thread 120 comments in and nobody has yet mentioned what comes just after the rickroll questions?!
Two observations:Q. He was some kind of singer? A. Yes. Q. It's a joke? A. Yes. Q. Now, the documents that you have provided in response to law enforcement requests, I think I believe the date, one of the dates of the response was February 13th, 2009. That is exhibit 129. A. Yes. Q. And at that time you were able to provide a good deal of information with regard to what happened on your site September 16th, 17th, 2008, right? A. Yes. Q. As reflected in these, for example, these IP addresses and Vtunnel proxy addresses, Exhibit 131? A. I didn't provide that IP address. That was given to me in the search warrant. The records were, you know, pulled based on that IP address. Q. Once you were given the IP address, you were able to do a search of your files and provide the government with the information that is in this exhibit? A. Yes. Q. And so when the postings that were obviously to go through this -- to summarize, the postings that were made on 4chan, you were able to provide IP addresses on activity from that certain IP address, right? A. Yes. I mean, these records are the web server logs. They are not all postings, but they are just activity from the IP address that was provided. Q. Okay. And then in the government 26, if you were given someone else's IP address and asked to figure out what postings they made on 4chan either in this thread or another at the same time, you could have gone through that same exercise, right? A. Yes, correct.
- The authorities could have asked him to tell them the IP address of the person who posted the thread, but apparently they had already determined it via some other means. (I haven't been following this case closely; is it known how they got that IP in the first place?)
- When moot said "The access logs are pruned regularly" earlier in his testimony, his definition of "regularly" allows him in February to still have logs from September. With 4chan's traffic volume, that kind of log retention policy requires a non-trivial amount of storage, so it really couldn't be a thoughtless oversight. For some reason, 4chan is intentionally keeping months of logs.
It would appear, to cover his own buttocks from loli pedo hatecrime etc liability, that 4chan is in fact, entirely logged. You're anonymous from the fellow poster, but if you post something naughty enough, bad boys bad boys etc.
posted by cavalier at 1:06 PM on August 11, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by cavalier at 1:06 PM on August 11, 2010 [1 favorite]
Needs moar unrelenting and unfunny racism.
posted by Quantum's Deadly Fist at 10:26 PM on August 13, 2010
posted by Quantum's Deadly Fist at 10:26 PM on August 13, 2010
I imagine hordes of soccer moms going there out of curiosity, then completely banning their kids from the internet in horror.
It's already begun!
(Self-link, sorry...TinEye couldn't find the image anywhere else.)
posted by Ian A.T. at 10:02 AM on August 16, 2010
It's already begun!
(Self-link, sorry...TinEye couldn't find the image anywhere else.)
posted by Ian A.T. at 10:02 AM on August 16, 2010
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A. Yes.
Q. It's a joke?
A. Yes.
posted by ODiV at 8:23 AM on August 10, 2010 [21 favorites]