January 1, 2001
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Can you name any reworkings of original plots that actually turned out good or better? (more inside)
But Seven Samurai was better than The Magnificent Seven, and Yojimbo was better than A Fistful of Dollars.
High Plains Drifter is very loosely based on Sanjuro, but the latter is vastly better. (I didn't think High Plains Drifter was very good.)
posted by Steven Den Beste at 9:48 AM on January 1, 2001
For that matter, I thought that Kumonosu jo was better than MacBeth; again, the story simply made more sense within the Samurai mythos.
Kurosawa was a genius (and Mifune a superb actor) and neither have gotten the recognition in the US that they deserved. Their partnership turned out a long string of masterpieces.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 9:56 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by Sean Meade at 10:08 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by waxpancake at 10:31 AM on January 1, 2001
As to the other Kurosawa movies, many of them are built around a leading character who is ronin (usually played by Mifune), and that's a whole subject and sub-culture unto itself.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:56 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by sexymofo at 11:31 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by mimi at 11:32 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by thirteen at 11:41 AM on January 1, 2001
I think there are a few instances where the movie is different but at least as interesting as the book. The Sweet Hereafter, for example. The book is excellent and more cathartic, but the Egoyan movie is exquisite.
These are, however, exceptions. . .
posted by aflakete at 11:48 AM on January 1, 2001
posted by magnetbox at 2:55 PM on January 1, 2001
With The Andromeda Strain, the movie was made much more interesting by making the character with epilepsy into a woman. The tension between the rest of the team and the Dr. Stone was also a lot better in the film than in the book.
In The Silence of the Lambs, the movie made Clarice's story about her childhood experience with the lamb much more compelling. And Anthony Hopkins brought his character to life better than I ever would have thought possible.
As for remakes, here are a couple of examples:
The 1959 big-screen version of Ben-Hur was far superior to the 1920s silent version.
The reworking of "Nightmare at 20,000 feet" for "Twilight Zone: The Movie" was absolutely brilliant. I saw that as a kid and it scared me to death!
posted by Potsy at 2:57 PM on January 1, 2001
That's because the film brings out something totally new from the original story "Do androids dream of electric sheep". Infact its relationship to the original is fairly remote.
Nevertheless I enjoyed the Phillip K Dick story as well. It should be made into a film sometime
;-j
posted by lagado at 3:30 PM on January 1, 2001
Hidden Fortress is only recognizable as source material for small parts of Star Wars, particularly the use of the C-3PO and R2-D2 characters as audience stand-ins. There are a great many more borrowings in that film, none of which I begrudge.
I don't know that the plot borrowings of MI:2 add up to enough to call it a "steal". Actually, I would have been hard-pressed to remember what the plot was. I thought there was this bit where Tom Cruise's hair was blowing around, this other bit where Tom Cruise was being thrown through the air at another guy, and a whole lot of bits I don't remember in between.
I don't understand how you can't like Ran, though I'll concede there are Kurosawa films with more feeling and depth. As for borrowings, Rashomon has been turned into at least three Star Trek episodes...
posted by dhartung at 5:54 PM on January 1, 2001
you have some good points about 'stealing' dhartung. i guess my point was that M:I2 didn't own up to it and adapted an otherwise intesting plot extremely poorly, as you alluded to. if i'm Tom Cruise, i guess i'm happy because John Woo sure made me look cool. all in all, it's another reason to junk this movie.
as to not liking 'Ran', i guess you don't understand me. is 'Ran' objectively likable?
posted by Sean Meade at 6:51 PM on January 1, 2001
I think some people have missed the point here, citing all those Kurosawa flicks--The Magnificent Seven is an acknowledged re-staging of The Seven Samurai, not an un-credited plot-lifting like MI:2.
And we shouldn't think Kurosawa is above this himself. Yojimbo is a re-telling of Dashiell Hammett's brilliant novel Red Harvest, though Kurosawa has at times denied this.
posted by peterme at 8:13 PM on January 1, 2001
My arguments are as follows: (1) the actions of the characters are much more fitting to high society high schoolers than their grown-up equivalents; (2) the kiss between Selma Blair and Sarah Michelle Gellar was genius. There's no other word for it.
Genius.
posted by thebigpoop at 9:00 PM on January 1, 2001
The Coen Brothers' Miller's Crossing is an excellent (and, as far as I know, unofficial) reworking of Hammet's The Glass Key; I don't know that it improves on the book, but I think that it's an improvement on the film version of The Glass Key.
I just saw an adaption -- which I know isn't quite the point -- of Dangerous Liasons among Manhattan preppie teenagers called Cruel Intentions; it worked much better than I'd have guessed.
posted by snarkout at 9:04 PM on January 1, 2001
I don't think you could make the case that Point of No Return was better than La Femme Nikita. Quite the contrary. Still, I had friends who liked the former never having seen the original, so I guess relatively speaking it would make the criteria of turning out "good".
In a similar vein of not better, but still better than anything with Pauley Shore, there was a remake of Sabrina recently that did an OK job. Of course any movie without Audrey Hepburn is the lessor for it. Still, I always kind of thought Humphrey Bogart in the original was strangely cast.
I thought the SciFi Channels's recent Dune mini-series was quite a bit better than the Lynch version. Of course since they were both working from original source material rather than the latest lifting the plot of the first movie, that might not count.
posted by willnot at 9:08 PM on January 1, 2001
Anyway, for a new addition, Reservoir Dogs was certainly better than City on Fire was, in the sense that Tarantino invented out the final 10 minutes of the HK flick a style that the rest of the world has been trying to one-up... just ask Guy Ritchie...
posted by teradome at 9:10 PM on January 1, 2001
posted by Brilliantcrank at 9:45 PM on January 1, 2001
What the hell does *that* mean? How can anything be "objectively liked"? You do realize that objectivity implies a lack of singular perspective or individual coloring? How is liking something possible where opinion does not exist?
And, in comparison to La Femme Nikita, Point of No Return.... is simply not worth mentioning. =P
posted by ookamaka at 10:50 PM on January 1, 2001
Remakes: I have yet to watch the US version of The Vanishing or the US version of Wings of Desire. Should I?
posted by gluechunk at 11:05 PM on January 1, 2001
Shop around the corner being the best version of 'em all
posted by riffola at 11:20 PM on January 1, 2001
posted by jess at 12:10 AM on January 2, 2001
posted by owen at 5:39 AM on January 2, 2001
I haven't seen "Demon With a Glass Hand" but I've seen "Soldier Ask Not" and if you squint hard you can see some connections kinda sorta maybe. I certainly preferred Terminator to Soldier, but it's my understanding that Demon is phenomenal for all that they filmed it on the money they found in the couch in the staff room.
posted by mrmorgan at 6:13 AM on January 2, 2001
posted by harmful at 6:17 AM on January 2, 2001
"is 'Ran' objectively likable?"
What the hell does *that* mean?
exactly my point, ookamaka. dhartung said he didn't understand how i couldn't like 'Ran'. that was my rhetorical answer, the understood conclusion being 'no, nothing is objectively likable'.
posted by Sean Meade at 6:26 AM on January 2, 2001
mrmorgan: is that "Soldier Ask Not" based on the Gordon Dickson story? (I don't see much resemblance to "The Terminator" myself, so I assume not.)
I was under the impression that "Terminator" was ripped off from Phil Dick ("Second Variety").
Speaking of PKD, "The Truman Show" thematically resembles any number of Dickian plots, especially "Time Out of Joint," although, unlike PKD, the more you learn, the *less* interesting it gets.
posted by rodii at 1:47 PM on January 2, 2001
Interestingly, it looks as though we have a couple more Dick adaptations coming this year.
posted by kindall at 2:12 PM on January 2, 2001
The short-story "The Sentinal" by A.C. Clarke --> The film "2001", screenplay by A.C. Clarke & S. Kubrick --> The novel "2001" by A.C. Clarke -->The multiple sequal books and a movie, "2010."
posted by grumblebee at 2:17 PM on January 2, 2001
posted by grumblebee at 2:19 PM on January 2, 2001
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SF author Harlan Ellison filed a lawsuit against T1 director JC, claiming that
Cameron plagiarized several of his short stories, namely "Soldier" and "Demon with a Glass Hand" (and, possibly, "A Boy and his Dog"). The concept of Skynet
could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No
Mouth and I Must Scream". Newer prints of T1 acknowledge Ellison.
I watched Demon with a Glass Hand last night, and feel the connection is tenuous. I do believe people bringing up PKD is appropriate, because I feel most of his writing falls into a similar category that category being, ideas so basic, that they are instant cliches, but they did them first.
What do I know, I'm just a robot... a robot named ABRAHAM LINCOLN!
posted by thirteen at 2:23 PM on January 2, 2001
Oh. =)
posted by ookamaka at 3:35 PM on January 2, 2001
posted by sjarvis at 9:43 AM on January 3, 2001
posted by sjarvis at 9:46 AM on January 3, 2001
Ran = King Lear
A Thousand Acres = King Lear
Throne of Blood = Macbeth
10 Things I Hate About You = Taming of the Shrew (really good, too)
Lion King = Hamlet (Richard III as well.... take your pick)
West Side Story = Romeo & Juliet
I'm probably missing a few, but oh well...
posted by dgallo at 12:19 PM on January 3, 2001
posted by rodii at 7:21 PM on January 3, 2001
posted by thirteen at 8:29 PM on January 3, 2001
posted by rodii at 8:28 AM on January 4, 2001
and it just occurs to me *now* that i should probably have recorded it at some point 8-)
if anyone has any info about this, if they've seen the outer limits credited by spielberg i'd love to know about it.
posted by t r a c y at 8:50 AM on January 5, 2001
posted by rodii at 12:56 PM on January 5, 2001
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One of the best loose adaptations of Austen was 'Clueless'. We felt like Paltrow's 'Emma' was trying to be period 'Clueless'.
I haven't seen 'Hidden Fortress' so I can't rate it against 'Star Wars'.
You've got the Disney reworkings of 'The Seven Samurai'/'A Bug's Life' and 'Hamlet'/'The Lion King'. They were fine, but pretty light.
posted by Sean Meade at 9:03 AM on January 1, 2001