Tubes consume a lot of electricity, as it turns out
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To be fair, that's about equival—oh, I see Eyebrows has already covered this.
posted by cortex at 2:52 PM on June 3, 2021 [43 favorites]
posted by cortex at 2:52 PM on June 3, 2021 [43 favorites]
According to websitecarbon.com, MetaFilter is greener than websitecarbon.com
posted by oulipian at 2:54 PM on June 3, 2021 [11 favorites]
posted by oulipian at 2:54 PM on June 3, 2021 [11 favorites]
Low-Tech Magazine on building a solar-powered website.
posted by ryanshepard at 3:05 PM on June 3, 2021 [3 favorites]
posted by ryanshepard at 3:05 PM on June 3, 2021 [3 favorites]
Zombo.com used to run off of a potato battery, IIRC.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:08 PM on June 3, 2021 [9 favorites]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:08 PM on June 3, 2021 [9 favorites]
zombo.com is cleaner than 93% of webpages.
And isabevigodadead.com is cleaner than 100% of webpages!
posted by RonButNotStupid at 3:08 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
And isabevigodadead.com is cleaner than 100% of webpages!
posted by RonButNotStupid at 3:08 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
So how many page views (order of magnitude) does Metafilter receive each month (given they are calculating 33.5kg per 10k views)? I'm sure the estimates they give per page load are a swag at best, but would be curious what "total carbon footprint" of a website like Metafilter hypothetically under their model is.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 3:09 PM on June 3, 2021
posted by inflatablekiwi at 3:09 PM on June 3, 2021
Also I wonder how much CO2 our croutons are generating.....
posted by inflatablekiwi at 3:12 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
posted by inflatablekiwi at 3:12 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
Ah, another online purity test....
posted by Nanukthedog at 3:14 PM on June 3, 2021 [5 favorites]
posted by Nanukthedog at 3:14 PM on June 3, 2021 [5 favorites]
I shut down my website six years ago, which is surely the greenest possible option.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 3:31 PM on June 3, 2021 [5 favorites]
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 3:31 PM on June 3, 2021 [5 favorites]
Mine seems to be fairly economical except for the bog standard energy source over which I have no control...
posted by jim in austin at 3:34 PM on June 3, 2021
posted by jim in austin at 3:34 PM on June 3, 2021
My website is hosted at home, it's in the South Island of NZ, so hydro powered only - sadly the 'green energy' calculation seems to only apply to big hosting sites, everyone else gets labeled 'dirty'
posted by mbo at 3:37 PM on June 3, 2021 [3 favorites]
posted by mbo at 3:37 PM on June 3, 2021 [3 favorites]
bog standard energy source
So peat, then
posted by oulipian at 3:38 PM on June 3, 2021 [22 favorites]
So peat, then
posted by oulipian at 3:38 PM on June 3, 2021 [22 favorites]
Scotch
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:39 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:39 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
technically AskMe is the greenest of our subsites
posted by cortex at 3:58 PM on June 3, 2021 [11 favorites]
posted by cortex at 3:58 PM on June 3, 2021 [11 favorites]
Amazon gets a terrible rating, but doesn't Metafilter run on Amazon's AWS hosting?
posted by Lanark at 4:08 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
posted by Lanark at 4:08 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
I feel like, between all of us, we can definitely plant two trees a year. Maybe we can take turns?
posted by evidenceofabsence at 4:13 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
posted by evidenceofabsence at 4:13 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
I'll just stop mowing a 10 foot by 10 foot section of my already small yard. That should cover us for a while.
posted by mollweide at 4:15 PM on June 3, 2021 [6 favorites]
posted by mollweide at 4:15 PM on June 3, 2021 [6 favorites]
Also I wonder how much CO2 our croutons are generating.....
Over a year, with
10,000
monthly page views,
metafilter.com/croutons/garden
produces
51.49kg of CO2 equivalent.
The same weight as 0.34 sumo wrestlers and as much CO2 as boiling water for 6,977 cups of tea
Holup.... there are still 10,000 monthly pageviews on an April Fools joke? There seem to be a significant portion of people treating their croutons like a Tamagotchi. Like... do these things need water or food? I'm pretty sure mine has died by this point...
posted by Nanukthedog at 4:41 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
Over a year, with
10,000
monthly page views,
metafilter.com/croutons/garden
produces
51.49kg of CO2 equivalent.
The same weight as 0.34 sumo wrestlers and as much CO2 as boiling water for 6,977 cups of tea
Holup.... there are still 10,000 monthly pageviews on an April Fools joke? There seem to be a significant portion of people treating their croutons like a Tamagotchi. Like... do these things need water or food? I'm pretty sure mine has died by this point...
posted by Nanukthedog at 4:41 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
A few web-eons ago I thought there was some utility in sites like this, but now it just feels like some bullshit.
Now a site like this that measured each type of cryptocurrency... that might be useful. Or at least more accurately depressing.
posted by gwint at 4:44 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
Now a site like this that measured each type of cryptocurrency... that might be useful. Or at least more accurately depressing.
posted by gwint at 4:44 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
AskMe may appear "greener" because it simply gets the most traffic and how it divides out per page view. But these are virtual hosts on the same server. This is showing an artifact of the problems with the way this thing tries to estimate stuff. Ask should account for more energy than any other subsite if we were to like make a pie chart.
No I just looked at it and it's definitely the greenest MetaFilter subsite.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 4:55 PM on June 3, 2021 [11 favorites]
No I just looked at it and it's definitely the greenest MetaFilter subsite.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 4:55 PM on June 3, 2021 [11 favorites]
It may be the greenest site on the internet.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:58 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:58 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
I thought there was some utility in sites like this, but now it just feels like some bullshit.
So trumphotels.com is apparently 94% dirtier than other sites tested. Seems legit.
I can’t be the only one who ran p o r n h u b through the calculator and discovered if they were just slightly less dirty they would be one less than the 70% dirty they are now - missed it by that much
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:12 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
So trumphotels.com is apparently 94% dirtier than other sites tested. Seems legit.
I can’t be the only one who ran p o r n h u b through the calculator and discovered if they were just slightly less dirty they would be one less than the 70% dirty they are now - missed it by that much
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:12 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
Like... do these things need water or food?
No, just the 6977 cups of tea a month is fine.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:14 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
No, just the 6977 cups of tea a month is fine.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:14 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
There’s a missing variable: client side processor use. You can make a website that spits out some cached markup or you can make one with a frontend framework that processes a lot of data on the user’s device, or does intense visual effects. In the case of client side processing, any work needed is multiplied by the number of users looking at the site.
It may be negligible in a lot of cases, but it’s something I thought about a lot when I used to make ads… how much co2 is this flash particle effect going to produce if a million people see it?
posted by condour75 at 5:21 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
It may be negligible in a lot of cases, but it’s something I thought about a lot when I used to make ads… how much co2 is this flash particle effect going to produce if a million people see it?
posted by condour75 at 5:21 PM on June 3, 2021 [4 favorites]
I shut down my website six years ago
I didn't have a website back before that was cool.
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:46 PM on June 3, 2021 [8 favorites]
I didn't have a website back before that was cool.
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:46 PM on June 3, 2021 [8 favorites]
Fifteen years of not having a Facebook page has to count for something, too!
posted by darkstar at 6:13 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
posted by darkstar at 6:13 PM on June 3, 2021 [2 favorites]
"CNN.com is dirtier that 85% of all websites."
I blame their pervasive use of video to deliver a half-paragraph's worth of news.
posted by darkstar at 6:17 PM on June 3, 2021 [7 favorites]
I blame their pervasive use of video to deliver a half-paragraph's worth of news.
posted by darkstar at 6:17 PM on June 3, 2021 [7 favorites]
Also..."The same weight as 0.22 sumo wrestlers" is giving me an eye tic.
(Is there a standard reference sumo wrestler kept under glass somewhere in a vault outside Paris?)
posted by darkstar at 6:22 PM on June 3, 2021 [6 favorites]
(Is there a standard reference sumo wrestler kept under glass somewhere in a vault outside Paris?)
posted by darkstar at 6:22 PM on June 3, 2021 [6 favorites]
Governing bodies are still arguing over the differences between Imperial and Metric Sumos.
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:26 PM on June 3, 2021 [8 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:26 PM on June 3, 2021 [8 favorites]
(Is there a standard reference sumo wrestler kept under glass somewhere in a vault outside Paris?)
He does his best to stay under the glass but sometimes another standard reference sumo wrestler comes along and pushes him outside the ring.
posted by evidenceofabsence at 10:56 PM on June 3, 2021 [7 favorites]
He does his best to stay under the glass but sometimes another standard reference sumo wrestler comes along and pushes him outside the ring.
posted by evidenceofabsence at 10:56 PM on June 3, 2021 [7 favorites]
more likely there's a whole school of parisian sumo who tag-team the reference job
posted by mbo at 11:41 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
posted by mbo at 11:41 PM on June 3, 2021 [1 favorite]
technically AskMe is the greenest of our subsites
And Metafilter is even bluer than PornHub.
posted by Bee'sWing at 4:43 AM on June 4, 2021 [2 favorites]
And Metafilter is even bluer than PornHub.
posted by Bee'sWing at 4:43 AM on June 4, 2021 [2 favorites]
The International Standard Sumo Wrestler is still maintained as a historical artifact, of course, but is obsolete since the recent acceptance of the Hundred Hand Slap as a fundamental constant of nature.
posted by biogeo at 8:08 AM on June 4, 2021 [3 favorites]
posted by biogeo at 8:08 AM on June 4, 2021 [3 favorites]
(floam, I think you missed the joke. Don't feel bad, though, we've all been there!)
posted by biogeo at 8:09 AM on June 4, 2021
posted by biogeo at 8:09 AM on June 4, 2021
And Metafilter is even bluer than PornHub.
It's not easy being green, when you're blue.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 10:03 AM on June 4, 2021 [3 favorites]
It's not easy being green, when you're blue.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 10:03 AM on June 4, 2021 [3 favorites]
0.22 sumo wrestlers--same as in town
posted by polecat at 10:09 AM on June 4, 2021 [2 favorites]
posted by polecat at 10:09 AM on June 4, 2021 [2 favorites]
Cf industries website produces about 200 kg CO2e
https://www.websitecarbon.com/website/cfindustries-com/
The actual plants are situated in African American towns. The one in Donaldsonville, LA, emits over 8 million tons annually, which is mixed with tons of particulate, ammonia. The grade school with hundreds of children, is a mile away.
We know that the largest emitters are tied up in environmental racism. What is the social dynamic of the powerplants serving this website? In Louisiana , I know it ain't good.
I would hope that anytime we think of carbon dioxide, we think of the actual smokestacks emitting it, and who lives next to those stacks, otherwise I feel we re not really considering the problem.
posted by eustatic at 9:10 AM on June 5, 2021 [2 favorites]
https://www.websitecarbon.com/website/cfindustries-com/
The actual plants are situated in African American towns. The one in Donaldsonville, LA, emits over 8 million tons annually, which is mixed with tons of particulate, ammonia. The grade school with hundreds of children, is a mile away.
We know that the largest emitters are tied up in environmental racism. What is the social dynamic of the powerplants serving this website? In Louisiana , I know it ain't good.
I would hope that anytime we think of carbon dioxide, we think of the actual smokestacks emitting it, and who lives next to those stacks, otherwise I feel we re not really considering the problem.
posted by eustatic at 9:10 AM on June 5, 2021 [2 favorites]
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To be fair, that's about equivalent to the number of cups of tea cortex drinks at work every year.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 2:46 PM on June 3, 2021 [32 favorites]