IN YOUR FACE, CHICAGO
July 30, 2015 11:30 AM Subscribe
That's silly, the #1 pizza in the United States is in New Haven. I won't say where because I don't want to cause bloodshed.
It's Pepe's.
posted by languagehat at 11:38 AM on July 30, 2015 [13 favorites]
It's Pepe's.
posted by languagehat at 11:38 AM on July 30, 2015 [13 favorites]
The TripAdvisor ranking of top U.S. pizza restaurants is based on the quantity and quality of reviews for pizza restaurants
Well, more people visit New York, so color me unsurprised.
Also, I'm sad that lists that include SF pizza include neither Golden Boy Pizza or Little Star Pizza, my two personal favs.
posted by Phredward at 11:39 AM on July 30, 2015
Well, more people visit New York, so color me unsurprised.
Also, I'm sad that lists that include SF pizza include neither Golden Boy Pizza or Little Star Pizza, my two personal favs.
posted by Phredward at 11:39 AM on July 30, 2015
It makes sense that a survey on a tourist web site would pick a pizza joint in one of the most touristy places in NYC, but still, it's damn fine pizza.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 11:42 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by 1970s Antihero at 11:42 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Huh, I never considered DUMBO to be a "touristy place" but no it absolutely is.
posted by griphus at 11:43 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by griphus at 11:43 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
IN YOUR FACE, CHICAGO
Well, we did get "Best Pizza City," so.
posted by Iridic at 11:44 AM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
Well, we did get "Best Pizza City," so.
posted by Iridic at 11:44 AM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
uh, sorry internet, but my favorite pizza is my own
posted by rebent at 11:44 AM on July 30, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by rebent at 11:44 AM on July 30, 2015 [7 favorites]
I never considered DUMBO to be a "touristy place" but no it absolutely is.
It certainly is now, anyway. It's become, like, the SoHo of Brooklyn.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:45 AM on July 30, 2015
It certainly is now, anyway. It's become, like, the SoHo of Brooklyn.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:45 AM on July 30, 2015
Your favorite pizza is foul steaming excrement, spewn from Satan's own bunghole, from which the beasts of the field flee in horror!
My favorite pizza is unadulterated manna from Heaven, heals the sick, and raises the sprits of all who behold it's glorious countenance!
posted by yhbc at 11:47 AM on July 30, 2015 [27 favorites]
My favorite pizza is unadulterated manna from Heaven, heals the sick, and raises the sprits of all who behold it's glorious countenance!
posted by yhbc at 11:47 AM on July 30, 2015 [27 favorites]
I visited NYC for the first time a month or so ago. Last night we were there we ended up at Juliana's. It was packed, but we got a table quickly. Expensive, and the crowd was too. Took forever. Thought maybe they cooked the pies next door it took so long. Good meal, no regrets. Best pizza in the country? No, not at all.
posted by Catblack at 11:47 AM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Catblack at 11:47 AM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Well, we did get "Best Pizza City," so.
no you see that list was not in any special order i am sure, those numbers were actually intended to be bullet points.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:48 AM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
no you see that list was not in any special order i am sure, those numbers were actually intended to be bullet points.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:48 AM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Everyone, into the pizza thread bunker!
posted by dr_dank at 11:48 AM on July 30, 2015 [19 favorites]
posted by dr_dank at 11:48 AM on July 30, 2015 [19 favorites]
Any list that Lou Malnati's and Giordano's are the must-try pizzerias in Chicago is not to be trusted.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:49 AM on July 30, 2015 [12 favorites]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:49 AM on July 30, 2015 [12 favorites]
Are the famous Chicago Tall Pizzas not good at those places?
posted by griphus at 11:50 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by griphus at 11:50 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
it's like those bread soup bowl things but instead of soup the bread bowl is full of pizza fixins
posted by poffin boffin at 11:50 AM on July 30, 2015 [20 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 11:50 AM on July 30, 2015 [20 favorites]
"Why is a San Francisco pizzeria only #5?" ask the fucking heathens I now live among who have never had a decent slice of pizza in their pathetic fucking lives.
"Because you're garbage and your pizza is garbage and everything you love is a lie" I respond, desperately missing my home city's pizza and not interested in being even remotely gracious about it.
posted by shmegegge at 11:51 AM on July 30, 2015 [36 favorites]
"Because you're garbage and your pizza is garbage and everything you love is a lie" I respond, desperately missing my home city's pizza and not interested in being even remotely gracious about it.
posted by shmegegge at 11:51 AM on July 30, 2015 [36 favorites]
#1 with a bullet: Pizza Delicious in New Orleans.
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posted by komara at 11:53 AM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
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posted by komara at 11:53 AM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
Chicago should just bow out of the pizza wars gracefully and focus on your hot dogs because they are the best hot dogs in the world. I don't even like hot dogs but I'll eat a Chicago style hot dog. They make Nathan's taste like diarrhea.
posted by cazoo at 11:53 AM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
posted by cazoo at 11:53 AM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
nathan's are pretty mediocre imo and I feel like their continued presumption of excellence is based on nostalgia for hot dogs with your granddad at the beach.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:56 AM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 11:56 AM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
I feel like driving out to Red Grape for a slice or three of the tre funghi to enjoy while I spectate the atavistic pizza wars between NYC and Chicago
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:56 AM on July 30, 2015
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:56 AM on July 30, 2015
A few weeks ago I was getting tattooed and talking with the tattoo artists about different kinds of foods and why everywhere outside of NYC made these foods incorrectly and ours were the best and when the conversation turned to hot dogs there was just a sad acknowledgement that as a foodstuff there is really nothing to recommend about an NYC hot dog.
posted by griphus at 11:58 AM on July 30, 2015
posted by griphus at 11:58 AM on July 30, 2015
Any list that Lou Malnati's and Giordano's are the must-try pizzerias in Chicago is not to be trusted.
No, you send the tourists there so our places don't get crowded.
posted by eriko at 11:59 AM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
No, you send the tourists there so our places don't get crowded.
posted by eriko at 11:59 AM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
tbh i like rosario's the best and wholly support them in the war against ray's.
posted by poffin boffin at 12:01 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by poffin boffin at 12:01 PM on July 30, 2015
as a foodstuff there is really nothing to recommend about an NYC hot dog
I love me a hot dog, but this is pretty much true, and sad. The dogs themselves are bad, the buns are awful, the sauerkraut tastes like a tin can. The only good thing about NYC hot dogs is that the occasional $1 dog is pretty much identical to the $3 dog, which is more than you can say about a dollar slice.
posted by uncleozzy at 12:05 PM on July 30, 2015
I love me a hot dog, but this is pretty much true, and sad. The dogs themselves are bad, the buns are awful, the sauerkraut tastes like a tin can. The only good thing about NYC hot dogs is that the occasional $1 dog is pretty much identical to the $3 dog, which is more than you can say about a dollar slice.
posted by uncleozzy at 12:05 PM on July 30, 2015
Chicago casserole is very tasty, and I do enjoy it, but it is still a damn casserole, and not a pizza.
Though, really, this isn't a battle I have too much of a stake in. Is it pizza? Does it taste good? I'll eat it.
Wake me when we have a debate over cheesesteaks. I still can't find a passable one in New York.
posted by SansPoint at 12:09 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
Though, really, this isn't a battle I have too much of a stake in. Is it pizza? Does it taste good? I'll eat it.
Wake me when we have a debate over cheesesteaks. I still can't find a passable one in New York.
posted by SansPoint at 12:09 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
a ranking of the Top U.S. Pizza Restaurants by TripAdvisor,
TripAdvisor is basically Yelp for cranky tourists with ludicrous expectations and worse taste, so I'm not exactly convinced here. I mean:
posted by dersins at 12:09 PM on July 30, 2015 [24 favorites]
TripAdvisor is basically Yelp for cranky tourists with ludicrous expectations and worse taste, so I'm not exactly convinced here. I mean:
3. Moose's Tooth Pub and Pizzeria, Anchorage, AlaskaYeah like I trust the gibbering mouthers who voted for "apricot sauce, cream cheese, carrots and chicken" to tell me what is or is not good pizza.
After feasting on flavorful pies including the “Amazing Apricot”—topped with apricot sauce, cream cheese, carrots and chicken—satiated diners can wash down the delicious ‘za with one of more than 40 draft beers that are hand-crafted in this pizzeria’s sister brewery. “Love the combinations and have tried nearly all of them. Pair it with one of the in house brews and you are in for a treat. There is a reason this place is always packed,” said a TripAdvisor reviewer.
posted by dersins at 12:09 PM on July 30, 2015 [24 favorites]
Man, fuck New York.
While we're at it, fuck Chicago, fuck the US, fuck the Earth, fuck the Solar System, fuck the Milky Way, and FUCK THIS UNIVERSE.
But Pluto? Pluto's good.
No good pizza on Pluto, though. Get the enchiladas instead.
posted by eriko at 12:10 PM on July 30, 2015 [11 favorites]
While we're at it, fuck Chicago, fuck the US, fuck the Earth, fuck the Solar System, fuck the Milky Way, and FUCK THIS UNIVERSE.
But Pluto? Pluto's good.
No good pizza on Pluto, though. Get the enchiladas instead.
posted by eriko at 12:10 PM on July 30, 2015 [11 favorites]
Chicago casserole is very tasty, and I do enjoy it, but it is still a damn casserole, and not a pizza.
I agree with you (and Jon Stewart) on that point.
The thing is, I don't know anyone here who actually eats it anyway. We all get thin crust pizzas. Unless relatives or out of town friends visit and insist. (Maybe my friends and I are strange outliers? Well, we're certainly strange, at any rate, but that's another issue.)
There's plenty of awesome, thin crust regular pizza in this town.
posted by dnash at 12:13 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
I agree with you (and Jon Stewart) on that point.
The thing is, I don't know anyone here who actually eats it anyway. We all get thin crust pizzas. Unless relatives or out of town friends visit and insist. (Maybe my friends and I are strange outliers? Well, we're certainly strange, at any rate, but that's another issue.)
There's plenty of awesome, thin crust regular pizza in this town.
posted by dnash at 12:13 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
I can only go from personal experience, but the Chicago style deep dish from the Pizzeria Due in 1992(?) is the best pizza I've ever eaten. Full stop.
Call it a casserole, call it what you want, it's still the best damn pizza I've ever eaten.
New York Style is flat, overcooked, greasy garbage. The concept that a "good pizza" needs to be folded in half is like you told me that God only spoke in Klingon, and that I'd better get on my horse and learn Klingon as soon as possible. If God intended us to fold our 'za in half, he'd have made it that way.
posted by Sphinx at 12:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Call it a casserole, call it what you want, it's still the best damn pizza I've ever eaten.
New York Style is flat, overcooked, greasy garbage. The concept that a "good pizza" needs to be folded in half is like you told me that God only spoke in Klingon, and that I'd better get on my horse and learn Klingon as soon as possible. If God intended us to fold our 'za in half, he'd have made it that way.
posted by Sphinx at 12:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
No good pizza on Pluto, though. Get the enchiladas instead.
Have you tried the pizza on Pluto recently? Some decent places have opened up in the last couple of years. You should really check it out.
posted by ultraviolet catastrophe at 12:18 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
Have you tried the pizza on Pluto recently? Some decent places have opened up in the last couple of years. You should really check it out.
posted by ultraviolet catastrophe at 12:18 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
New York Style is flat, overcooked, greasy garbage.
Flagged as offensive.
posted by el io at 12:21 PM on July 30, 2015 [18 favorites]
Flagged as offensive.
posted by el io at 12:21 PM on July 30, 2015 [18 favorites]
Yeah it's not overcooked garbage.
posted by griphus at 12:21 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by griphus at 12:21 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Have you tried the pizza on Pluto recently?
I knew someone who grabbed a slice to go last week, but I haven't heard from them how it was. I'll ask them next September when they call back. They were in a rush, didn't have much time to talk. Got a couple of nice pics, though.
posted by eriko at 12:22 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
I knew someone who grabbed a slice to go last week, but I haven't heard from them how it was. I'll ask them next September when they call back. They were in a rush, didn't have much time to talk. Got a couple of nice pics, though.
posted by eriko at 12:22 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
I've always adored Julianna's, so this is nice to see. Plus I'm sure Patsy, the owner and chef, appreciates any opportunity to beat out the Grimaldi fakers next door.
posted by Itaxpica at 12:24 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Itaxpica at 12:24 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Sphinx: "I can only go from personal experience, but the Chicago style deep dish from the Pizzeria Due in 1992(?) is the best pizza I've ever eaten. Full stop.
Call it a casserole, call it what you want, it's still the best damn pizza I've ever eaten.
New York Style is flat, overcooked, greasy garbage. The concept that a "good pizza" needs to be folded in half is like you told me that God only spoke in Klingon, and that I'd better get on my horse and learn Klingon as soon as possible. If God intended us to fold our 'za in half, he'd have made it that way."
Disclaimer: I was born and have spent the majority of my adult life in the greater Minneapolis metroplex, and my tastes as to pizza and culture may have been affected thusly.
posted by Sphinx at 12:28 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Call it a casserole, call it what you want, it's still the best damn pizza I've ever eaten.
New York Style is flat, overcooked, greasy garbage. The concept that a "good pizza" needs to be folded in half is like you told me that God only spoke in Klingon, and that I'd better get on my horse and learn Klingon as soon as possible. If God intended us to fold our 'za in half, he'd have made it that way."
Disclaimer: I was born and have spent the majority of my adult life in the greater Minneapolis metroplex, and my tastes as to pizza and culture may have been affected thusly.
posted by Sphinx at 12:28 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Pizza Regina made the list? Really? Eh.
posted by maryr at 12:29 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by maryr at 12:29 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Please do not let the fact that they highlighted the weirdest pizza on the menu keep you from going to Moose's Tooth. They have plenty of delicious pizzas with perfectly traditional toppings as well as amazing beer. (Pro tip: sibling restaurant the Bear Tooth Theatre Pub has pizza that's almost as good with much shorter wait times. And also, of course, the option to have it brought to you while you are watching excellent second-run movies.)
posted by fermion at 12:30 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by fermion at 12:30 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
There's plenty of awesome, thin crust regular pizza in this town.
Exactly. Chicago isn't limited by slavish adherence to one or two orthodox pizza forms. Here you can get excellent cracker crust pizza, you can get excellent yeasty thin crust pizza, you can get excellent Sicilian bakery pizza, you can get mind-blowingly good pan pizza with a rim of caramelized cheese. And if it's cold, or if you're very hungry, or if you have a lot of right-thinking friends to feed, or if you just want to show your pancreas who's boss, then you can go to Bacino's at 2204 North Lincoln and order a stuffed spinach, and you'll have a great time.
posted by Iridic at 12:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
Exactly. Chicago isn't limited by slavish adherence to one or two orthodox pizza forms. Here you can get excellent cracker crust pizza, you can get excellent yeasty thin crust pizza, you can get excellent Sicilian bakery pizza, you can get mind-blowingly good pan pizza with a rim of caramelized cheese. And if it's cold, or if you're very hungry, or if you have a lot of right-thinking friends to feed, or if you just want to show your pancreas who's boss, then you can go to Bacino's at 2204 North Lincoln and order a stuffed spinach, and you'll have a great time.
posted by Iridic at 12:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
The best pizza anywhere is the one in front of you.
posted by Thorzdad at 12:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
posted by Thorzdad at 12:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
Your favorite pizza is foul steaming excrement, spewn from Satan's own bunghole, from which the beasts of the field flee in horror!
My favorite pizza is unadulterated manna from Heaven, heals the sick, and raises the sprits of all who behold it's glorious countenance!
But what kind of smartphone do you have?
posted by TrialByMedia at 12:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
My favorite pizza is unadulterated manna from Heaven, heals the sick, and raises the sprits of all who behold it's glorious countenance!
But what kind of smartphone do you have?
posted by TrialByMedia at 12:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
it is the one you have snatched from the hand of your unsuspecting friend and devour whilst you flee
posted by poffin boffin at 12:32 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 12:32 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
So I worked 2 blocks from this place for 3 months and didn't notice and ate crappy salad from the obnoxious fancy grocery store instead? I suck at pizza.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 12:32 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Potomac Avenue at 12:32 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yeah like I trust the gibbering mouthers who voted for "apricot sauce, cream cheese, carrots and chicken" to tell me what is or is not good pizza.
As an Alaskan, I cannot recommend the Amazing Apricot enough. The real trick of Moose's Tooth is its crust- it's this wonderfully buttery, crispy, chewey stuff that makes most breadsticks out there blush.
I'm traveling in Chicago right now, and am a pretty miserable pizza-lover right now. Chicago deep dish pizza features semolina in its dough, which I have a crazy-childhood-Chuck-E-Cheese vomit-incident taste aversion to. The pie-crust-like deep dish crust is amazing, I'd buy a whole pie just to cut around and eat that. The actual pie is miserable to chew through. Causes flashbacks. Makes me contemplate man's need to eat.
posted by weewooweewoo at 12:33 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
As an Alaskan, I cannot recommend the Amazing Apricot enough. The real trick of Moose's Tooth is its crust- it's this wonderfully buttery, crispy, chewey stuff that makes most breadsticks out there blush.
I'm traveling in Chicago right now, and am a pretty miserable pizza-lover right now. Chicago deep dish pizza features semolina in its dough, which I have a crazy-childhood-Chuck-E-Cheese vomit-incident taste aversion to. The pie-crust-like deep dish crust is amazing, I'd buy a whole pie just to cut around and eat that. The actual pie is miserable to chew through. Causes flashbacks. Makes me contemplate man's need to eat.
posted by weewooweewoo at 12:33 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
If God intended us to fold our 'za in half, he'd have made it that way.
our 'za
our 'za
our 'za
Get out
posted by clockzero at 12:35 PM on July 30, 2015 [26 favorites]
our 'za
our 'za
our 'za
Get out
posted by clockzero at 12:35 PM on July 30, 2015 [26 favorites]
I have a soft spot for 2 Amy's Pizza in DC and was shocked to see it wasn't listed and that Matchbox was.
posted by anya32 at 12:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by anya32 at 12:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Flat pizza is flat tasting.
posted by tunewell at 12:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by tunewell at 12:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
How is that even pronounced? Zuh? Zaaah? I don't think I would even understand it if somebody tried to say it to me. Some what? What did you just say? You got a problem with me? Huh?
posted by uncleozzy at 12:40 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by uncleozzy at 12:40 PM on July 30, 2015
'za
I always insist on just one House Rule when playing Scrabble. NO DAMN 'ZA.
posted by chimaera at 12:40 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
I always insist on just one House Rule when playing Scrabble. NO DAMN 'ZA.
posted by chimaera at 12:40 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
dr_dank: "Everyone, into the pizza thread bunker!"
you always think you'll be prepared, but you're never prepared enough.
posted by boo_radley at 12:41 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
you always think you'll be prepared, but you're never prepared enough.
posted by boo_radley at 12:41 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Pizza is a flat circle
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:41 PM on July 30, 2015 [15 favorites]
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:41 PM on July 30, 2015 [15 favorites]
The thing is, I don't know anyone here who actually eats [Chicago deep dish] anyway.
ssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!
There are already way too many people Instagramming themselves at the pickup counter of Vito and Nick's. You're gonna make it worse.
posted by JoeZydeco at 12:41 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
ssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!
There are already way too many people Instagramming themselves at the pickup counter of Vito and Nick's. You're gonna make it worse.
posted by JoeZydeco at 12:41 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
Who is up for a slice of piz'?
posted by griphus at 12:42 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by griphus at 12:42 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
The problem with NY pizza is it takes the Italian original premise and worsens it. The crust is not as chewy crispy, the mozzarella isn't fresh and it's too oily, the slice is too large.
Chicago pizza, on the other hand, take the Italian original and transforms it.
posted by leotrotsky at 12:43 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Chicago pizza, on the other hand, take the Italian original and transforms it.
posted by leotrotsky at 12:43 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
I have a soft spot for 2 Amy's Pizza in DC
Seconded. 2 Amy's rocks.
posted by leotrotsky at 12:44 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Seconded. 2 Amy's rocks.
posted by leotrotsky at 12:44 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
The problem with NY pizza is it takes the Italian original premise and worsens it. The crust is not as chewy crispy, the mozzarella isn't fresh and it's too oily, the slice is too large.
Juliana's is none of those things.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:45 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Juliana's is none of those things.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:45 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
it is the one you have snatched from the hand of your unsuspecting friend and devour whilst you flee
posted by poffin boffin at 3:32 PM on July 30 [+] [!]
I know this is in response to "the best pizza anywhere is the one in front of you" but I like it better as the response to "what kind of smartphone do you have"
posted by ilana at 12:46 PM on July 30, 2015 [17 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 3:32 PM on July 30 [+] [!]
I know this is in response to "the best pizza anywhere is the one in front of you" but I like it better as the response to "what kind of smartphone do you have"
posted by ilana at 12:46 PM on July 30, 2015 [17 favorites]
Juliana's is none of those things.
And it looks great. But looking at the picture, I'd argue that most would not consider that to be a "NY Style" pizza
posted by leotrotsky at 12:47 PM on July 30, 2015
And it looks great. But looking at the picture, I'd argue that most would not consider that to be a "NY Style" pizza
posted by leotrotsky at 12:47 PM on July 30, 2015
Apart Pizza was always my favorite in Chicago... the ham, brie, and egg one was amaaaaaazing.
posted by kmz at 12:50 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by kmz at 12:50 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
I would rather eat an apathetic 99c slice in NY than revisit that fondue from Giordano's in Chicago.
posted by peripathetic at 12:51 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by peripathetic at 12:51 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
The thing is, I don't know anyone here who actually eats it anyway. We all get thin crust pizzas. Unless relatives or out of town friends visit and insist. (Maybe my friends and I are strange outliers? Well, we're certainly strange, at any rate, but that's another issue.)
There's plenty of awesome, thin crust regular pizza in this town.
That is true – I had some the last time I went home. Party cut! But I think you and your friends are outliers. When I lived there (I feel like an immigrant when I say that), we'd go get deep dish when we went out. Thin crust when ordering delivery.
As for Lou Malnati's, it is excellent, even though it is a chain. So is Portillo's. Non-cool people sometimes have good taste, too.
Pizza is a flat circle
Wow. That is the most unassailable comment in this thread. Maybe in all of MetaFilter!
posted by ignignokt at 12:52 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
There's plenty of awesome, thin crust regular pizza in this town.
That is true – I had some the last time I went home. Party cut! But I think you and your friends are outliers. When I lived there (I feel like an immigrant when I say that), we'd go get deep dish when we went out. Thin crust when ordering delivery.
As for Lou Malnati's, it is excellent, even though it is a chain. So is Portillo's. Non-cool people sometimes have good taste, too.
Pizza is a flat circle
Wow. That is the most unassailable comment in this thread. Maybe in all of MetaFilter!
posted by ignignokt at 12:52 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
New York pizza is good AND Chicago pizza is good, they are just different foods, why doesn't everyone just go take a nap and chill out
posted by showbiz_liz at 12:56 PM on July 30, 2015 [13 favorites]
posted by showbiz_liz at 12:56 PM on July 30, 2015 [13 favorites]
NEVER
posted by poffin boffin at 12:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [10 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 12:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [10 favorites]
A college friend had a theory that there was a direct correlation between "the quality of a city/town's pizza" and "the distance between that city/town and Naples". The closer to the homeland, the better the pizza.
all kidding aside, I like NYC hot dogs! You have to grade them on a curve because you're literally getting them from a dude on the sidewalk but if you do that they're pretty tasty
I always think of that line from a Sandman comic where Death is eating a streetcart hot dog and she says, "You know, I've always wondered if the chemical aftertaste in these things is intentional or if it's just an unexpected bonus."
I've got a soft spot for the NYC dog too, but Chicago-style dogs are the shizznit. Seriously, about four days into a trip to Chicago I suddenly realized that I had just gone an entire 36-hour period eating nothing but hot dogs.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
all kidding aside, I like NYC hot dogs! You have to grade them on a curve because you're literally getting them from a dude on the sidewalk but if you do that they're pretty tasty
I always think of that line from a Sandman comic where Death is eating a streetcart hot dog and she says, "You know, I've always wondered if the chemical aftertaste in these things is intentional or if it's just an unexpected bonus."
I've got a soft spot for the NYC dog too, but Chicago-style dogs are the shizznit. Seriously, about four days into a trip to Chicago I suddenly realized that I had just gone an entire 36-hour period eating nothing but hot dogs.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
What's that word that means when you feel embarrassed for someone? Cause that's how I feel about people who use the "word" 'za.
posted by dersins at 12:58 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by dersins at 12:58 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'd argue that most would not consider that to be a "NY Style" pizza
The most traditional, and best, NY pizzas are very similar Neopolitan pizza. Wood or coal burning stove (because a gas stove can't get hot enough) yielding a thin, crispy crust. Fresh mozzarella (where freshness is measured in *hours*), or alternatively, buffalo mozzarella that's shipped from Naples. Hint: if the pizza is made with grated cheese, it's not fresh mozzarella, because fresh mozz needs to be sliced.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:59 PM on July 30, 2015
The most traditional, and best, NY pizzas are very similar Neopolitan pizza. Wood or coal burning stove (because a gas stove can't get hot enough) yielding a thin, crispy crust. Fresh mozzarella (where freshness is measured in *hours*), or alternatively, buffalo mozzarella that's shipped from Naples. Hint: if the pizza is made with grated cheese, it's not fresh mozzarella, because fresh mozz needs to be sliced.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:59 PM on July 30, 2015
New York pizza is good AND Chicago pizza is good, they are just different foods, why doesn't everyone just go take a nap and chill out
I will CUT YOU and EAT YOU.
Oh, sorry, I was talking to the pizza.
What's that word that means when you feel embarrassed for someone? Cause that's how I feel about people who use the "word" 'za.
11 points in Scrabble.
Seriously. OSPD v3 legal and everything.
posted by eriko at 1:00 PM on July 30, 2015
I will CUT YOU and EAT YOU.
Oh, sorry, I was talking to the pizza.
What's that word that means when you feel embarrassed for someone? Cause that's how I feel about people who use the "word" 'za.
11 points in Scrabble.
Seriously. OSPD v3 legal and everything.
posted by eriko at 1:00 PM on July 30, 2015
I'm sure Juliana's is fine, but to be honest, I've never ever agreed with a trip advisor rating
posted by mumimor at 1:01 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by mumimor at 1:01 PM on July 30, 2015
The Scrabble dictionary is a Borgesian artifact that reflects no known human language.
posted by griphus at 1:03 PM on July 30, 2015 [16 favorites]
posted by griphus at 1:03 PM on July 30, 2015 [16 favorites]
Saraghina?
posted by standardasparagus at 1:04 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by standardasparagus at 1:04 PM on July 30, 2015
Dr. Ho's Humble Pie, North Garden, Virginia. It is all you need to know.
posted by 4ster at 1:04 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by 4ster at 1:04 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
The biggest shock of my life was finding the best Italian style pizza I've ever had in Iowa. Holla, Lincoln Wine Bar.
Of course, I've only had pizzas in LA and Chicago, never New York, but seriously their pizza is phenomenal and I am always excited to drive the hour or so to get there.
posted by nicodine at 1:07 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Of course, I've only had pizzas in LA and Chicago, never New York, but seriously their pizza is phenomenal and I am always excited to drive the hour or so to get there.
posted by nicodine at 1:07 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
No good pizza on Pluto, though. Get the enchiladas instead.
Really? My Very Efficient Mother Just Served Us Nine.
posted by stopgap at 1:08 PM on July 30, 2015 [8 favorites]
Really? My Very Efficient Mother Just Served Us Nine.
posted by stopgap at 1:08 PM on July 30, 2015 [8 favorites]
the Chicago style deep dish from the Pizzeria Due in 1992(?) is the best pizza I've ever eaten. Full stop.
The original Due and Uno still use the original recipes, and they are far superior to the chain version. That said, if Due's is the best you've ever eaten, you've obviously never been to Pete's Apizza in DC.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 1:10 PM on July 30, 2015
The original Due and Uno still use the original recipes, and they are far superior to the chain version. That said, if Due's is the best you've ever eaten, you've obviously never been to Pete's Apizza in DC.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 1:10 PM on July 30, 2015
Looking at the DC listings, you can tell that this is a tourist site: the places they mention are good, but more "best pizza visitors to DC are likely to eat" than "best pizza in DC."
posted by Mr.Know-it-some at 1:13 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Mr.Know-it-some at 1:13 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
The best pizza is the one that is within my reach.
posted by srboisvert at 1:15 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by srboisvert at 1:15 PM on July 30, 2015
You have to grade them on a curve because you're literally getting them from a dude on the sidewalk but if you do that they're pretty tasty
when i think about the glorious street food that is available pretty much everywhere south of the us-mexico border and compare it to the hideous tubes of nyc street meat i get very upset and very hungry
posted by poffin boffin at 1:19 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
when i think about the glorious street food that is available pretty much everywhere south of the us-mexico border and compare it to the hideous tubes of nyc street meat i get very upset and very hungry
posted by poffin boffin at 1:19 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
No good pizza on Pluto, though. Get the enchiladas instead.
I tried them. They were cold.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 1:20 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
I tried them. They were cold.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 1:20 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
in related news i just saw a photo of a chubby delighted child holding an elote and now i am furious
posted by poffin boffin at 1:23 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by poffin boffin at 1:23 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Who is up for a slice of piz'?
Oh me! Nothing I like more on a Thursday than a hot batch of New York piz' steaming in my face.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 1:23 PM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
Oh me! Nothing I like more on a Thursday than a hot batch of New York piz' steaming in my face.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 1:23 PM on July 30, 2015 [9 favorites]
TheWhiteSkull I tried them. They were cold.
Plutonian enchiladas are a dish best served cold...
It is very cold in space...
posted by SansPoint at 1:27 PM on July 30, 2015
Plutonian enchiladas are a dish best served cold...
It is very cold in space...
posted by SansPoint at 1:27 PM on July 30, 2015
Yes, I've been to both Chicago and NYC, but the two best pizzas I've ever had are both in Seattle, at opposite ends of the price spectrum.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:33 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:33 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
I grew up in south Chicagoland. There's nothing better than a thin party-cut tavern-style pizza. That's what we all ate. I never had a deep dish pizza until I was in my teens. Those are for tourists.
posted by double block and bleed at 1:42 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by double block and bleed at 1:42 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
Plutonian enchiladas are a dish best served cold...
It is very cold in space...
BTW, if you're ever on Qo'noS, you have to try Lursa's Original. Get one with bithool gagh and extra grapok sauce. You haven't really eaten pizza until you've eaten it in the place it was invented.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 1:42 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
It is very cold in space...
BTW, if you're ever on Qo'noS, you have to try Lursa's Original. Get one with bithool gagh and extra grapok sauce. You haven't really eaten pizza until you've eaten it in the place it was invented.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 1:42 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
I highly recommend Aurelio's. It's the only pizza better than my Mom's.
(For the love of God, don't tell her I said that!)
posted by double block and bleed at 1:45 PM on July 30, 2015
(For the love of God, don't tell her I said that!)
posted by double block and bleed at 1:45 PM on July 30, 2015
There's a place in my heart for every kind of pizza. Count me as one of the Chicagoans who never eats it Chicago-style unless entertaining out of town guests.
One of my best friends insists on a high-maintenace trip to Pequod's every year for his birthday (there's always a wait, he invites 20 people and every one arrives whenever they feel like it, etc etc)... so he can order their thin crust.
(Pequod's of the famous caramelized-cheese-edges on the deep dish. Their thin crust is just like any other pizza, as far as I can tell.)
posted by jeweled accumulation at 1:47 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
One of my best friends insists on a high-maintenace trip to Pequod's every year for his birthday (there's always a wait, he invites 20 people and every one arrives whenever they feel like it, etc etc)... so he can order their thin crust.
(Pequod's of the famous caramelized-cheese-edges on the deep dish. Their thin crust is just like any other pizza, as far as I can tell.)
posted by jeweled accumulation at 1:47 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'll go one further than Sphinx and admit that I'd rather eat Domino's or Pizza Hut than New York style pizza. And I've lived in NYC for 8 years now. I feel like such a traitor.
posted by imnotasquirrel at 2:05 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by imnotasquirrel at 2:05 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
My favorite Chicago pizza is in Champaign.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:12 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by persona au gratin at 2:12 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'll go one further than Sphinx and admit that I'd rather eat Domino's or Pizza Hut than New York style pizza. And I've lived in NYC for 8 years now. I feel like such a traitor.
I'm not even a New Yorker, and I feel offended by this.
posted by joyceanmachine at 2:14 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
I'm not even a New Yorker, and I feel offended by this.
posted by joyceanmachine at 2:14 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
Shout-out to Leo's in South Buffalo. Come for the pizza, don't stay.
posted by triage_lazarus at 2:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by triage_lazarus at 2:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
double block and bleed. Agreed. I'm from north Chicagoland. And my go-to pizza also was thin party-cut pizza. From a place I've had pizza at for almost 40 years now. I'm pretty sure I was in my teens the first time I had deep dish pan pizza. (Though holy crap it was a revelation, I have to say.)
posted by persona au gratin at 2:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by persona au gratin at 2:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Good job on placing well to both New York and Chicago pizza.
Hopefully it makes up for the fact your breweries are crap.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:18 PM on July 30, 2015
Hopefully it makes up for the fact your breweries are crap.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:18 PM on July 30, 2015
I've found no replacement for Chicago pizza, but those of you claiming Chicago hot dogs (or NYC, for that matter) are the best around have clearly never had a Sonoran dog.
posted by egregious theorem at 2:23 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by egregious theorem at 2:23 PM on July 30, 2015
It's Pepe's.
With respect, Frank Pepe's isn't even the best in New Haven. I'd put Sally's and Modern ahead of Pepe's.
posted by Kinbote at 2:28 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
With respect, Frank Pepe's isn't even the best in New Haven. I'd put Sally's and Modern ahead of Pepe's.
posted by Kinbote at 2:28 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
There's a place in my heart for every kind of pizza.
surgeon general's warning: do not put pizza inside your heart only inside your stomach
posted by poffin boffin at 2:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
surgeon general's warning: do not put pizza inside your heart only inside your stomach
posted by poffin boffin at 2:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
My favorite Chicago pizza is in Champaign.Del's ?
In hindsight, it's probably good I was a poor student and couldn't eat there all of the time, I would have left undergrad >300 lbs.
posted by strange chain at 2:48 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
In the Kitchener/Waterloo region of Ontario, the best pizza comes out of my oven.
posted by el io at 2:55 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by el io at 2:55 PM on July 30, 2015
The [pizza/bagels/burritos/etc] I have regular access to by virtue of my geographical placement are superior to all others. Specifically, they are best at [establishment], which I know because I possess familiarity with my place of origin and/or residence that proves I am not an outsider
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:03 PM on July 30, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:03 PM on July 30, 2015 [7 favorites]
My Very Efficient Mother Just Served Us Nine. Pizzas!
posted by eriko at 3:05 PM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by eriko at 3:05 PM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
It's Cono's. That's what they all meant to say, the best pizza. I dunno what all the rest of this blabbering is about...
posted by From Bklyn at 3:08 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by From Bklyn at 3:08 PM on July 30, 2015
What, no love for St. Louis style pizza up in this thread? For shame.
posted by jzb at 3:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by jzb at 3:16 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
What, no love for St. Louis style pizza up in this thread? For shame.
Ok, everybody, there's the heathen. Get 'em.
posted by eriko at 3:19 PM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
Ok, everybody, there's the heathen. Get 'em.
posted by eriko at 3:19 PM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
What, no love for St. Louis style pizza up in this thread? For shame.
greg nog and likeatoaster have a video of griphus and blisterlips being tragically disappointed by st louis pizza. VIDEO PROOF OF ITS TERRIBILITY.
posted by poffin boffin at 3:20 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
greg nog and likeatoaster have a video of griphus and blisterlips being tragically disappointed by st louis pizza. VIDEO PROOF OF ITS TERRIBILITY.
posted by poffin boffin at 3:20 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
After seeing several "I live in Chicago, and I rarely or never have deep dish or stuffed pizza" statements, I just want to say that I've lived in Chicago for almost 20 years now, and I still order up one of those three or four times a year. (I can already hear the voices now "20 years? Bah. Tourist.")
I have a place whose stuffed pizza I love. It may not be "the best in Chicago" by the standards of others, but for all the time I've lived here, it's been consistently great every time I've ordered it. It's nothing fancy, high-falootin', or gourmet, just a quality deep dish that will have you stuffed after two pieces. As with most pizzas of this style, depending on size and number of people eating, this usually means you'll have a decent amount left over for the next day or two. I've had deep dish from other places whose magic cannot survive a night in the fridge, and leaves you with just a disappointing reminder of how good it was yesterday. The pizza from my place would never be so cruel as do that to you, and keeps at least 90% of its magic intact.
The place? Villa Palermo, 2154 West Devon Ave. It ain't fancy, it's just tasty. I'd also recommend the rib tip dinner, a weighty box of sticky, tasty goodness which my friends and I call "the meat pile" - even the half-sized order is too much for one, or often two, sittings.
posted by chambers at 3:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
I have a place whose stuffed pizza I love. It may not be "the best in Chicago" by the standards of others, but for all the time I've lived here, it's been consistently great every time I've ordered it. It's nothing fancy, high-falootin', or gourmet, just a quality deep dish that will have you stuffed after two pieces. As with most pizzas of this style, depending on size and number of people eating, this usually means you'll have a decent amount left over for the next day or two. I've had deep dish from other places whose magic cannot survive a night in the fridge, and leaves you with just a disappointing reminder of how good it was yesterday. The pizza from my place would never be so cruel as do that to you, and keeps at least 90% of its magic intact.
The place? Villa Palermo, 2154 West Devon Ave. It ain't fancy, it's just tasty. I'd also recommend the rib tip dinner, a weighty box of sticky, tasty goodness which my friends and I call "the meat pile" - even the half-sized order is too much for one, or often two, sittings.
posted by chambers at 3:31 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
I didn't realize that Lincolnwood was the Chicago tourist hot spot. Because you can never get into their Malnati's during prime eating hours.
Giordano's is garbage, and its not even Chicago style. It's stuffed pizza.
Pequods is amazing for the first hot bite and the burnt cheese ring, but gets pretty doughy and meh in between.
But I'll see you at Dags for half-price thin crust on Wednesday!
posted by hwyengr at 3:46 PM on July 30, 2015
Giordano's is garbage, and its not even Chicago style. It's stuffed pizza.
Pequods is amazing for the first hot bite and the burnt cheese ring, but gets pretty doughy and meh in between.
But I'll see you at Dags for half-price thin crust on Wednesday!
posted by hwyengr at 3:46 PM on July 30, 2015
"Get out"
Hey buddy, I slung some of the finest pizza Saint Paul's ever had. Don't tell me to get out. We called it 'Za back in 2001.
Grow up.
posted by Sphinx at 3:49 PM on July 30, 2015
Hey buddy, I slung some of the finest pizza Saint Paul's ever had. Don't tell me to get out. We called it 'Za back in 2001.
Grow up.
posted by Sphinx at 3:49 PM on July 30, 2015
I have flagged this thread as offensive, because it is offensive to common sense.
posted by Going To Maine at 4:09 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by Going To Maine at 4:09 PM on July 30, 2015
Yep, Papa Del's in Champaign. If I ate it, my parents paid.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:36 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by persona au gratin at 4:36 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Dude. Giordanos is not garbage. It's not the best, but it's good.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:38 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by persona au gratin at 4:38 PM on July 30, 2015 [3 favorites]
chambers: "After seeing several "I live in Chicago, and I rarely or never have deep dish or stuffed pizza" statements, I just want to say that I've lived in Chicago for almost 20 years now, and I still order up one of those three or four times a year. (I can already hear the voices now "20 years? Bah. Tourist.")"
It's not that deep dish is bad. I've had some that are very good. I just find it funny that this famous food that everyone thinks is the quintessential signature dish of the place where I grew up was not the quintessential signature dish of the place where I grew up.
I've had deep dish from other places whose magic cannot survive a night in the fridge, and leaves you with just a disappointing reminder of how good it was yesterday.
It is disappointing when pizza doesn't survive the night. Cold pizza is hands down my favorite breakfast. Deep dish pretty much has to be reheated and it's just not the same.
posted by double block and bleed at 4:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
It's not that deep dish is bad. I've had some that are very good. I just find it funny that this famous food that everyone thinks is the quintessential signature dish of the place where I grew up was not the quintessential signature dish of the place where I grew up.
I've had deep dish from other places whose magic cannot survive a night in the fridge, and leaves you with just a disappointing reminder of how good it was yesterday.
It is disappointing when pizza doesn't survive the night. Cold pizza is hands down my favorite breakfast. Deep dish pretty much has to be reheated and it's just not the same.
posted by double block and bleed at 4:39 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Best pizza where I live is from a greek restaurant in the west end. It's called the Canadian House of Pizza and Garbage and...
your favorite pizza might as well come from the Canadian House of Pizza and Garbage because you're wrong.
awwww
posted by Hoopo at 4:45 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
your favorite pizza might as well come from the Canadian House of Pizza and Garbage because you're wrong.
awwww
posted by Hoopo at 4:45 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
I just want to say that I've lived in Chicago for almost 20 years now, and I still order up one of those three or four times a year.
Ok, but are you saying you only order pizza three or four times a year, so you are always ordering the deep dish stuff? Or are you also eating a lot of pizza that's not deep dish?
(Cuz, I mean, pizza only three times a year would be too sad for me to contemplate...)
Anyway, really these days my favorite pizza is one I make myself using this recipe from SeriousEats.com.
posted by dnash at 4:54 PM on July 30, 2015
Ok, but are you saying you only order pizza three or four times a year, so you are always ordering the deep dish stuff? Or are you also eating a lot of pizza that's not deep dish?
(Cuz, I mean, pizza only three times a year would be too sad for me to contemplate...)
Anyway, really these days my favorite pizza is one I make myself using this recipe from SeriousEats.com.
posted by dnash at 4:54 PM on July 30, 2015
What, no love for St. Louis style pizza up in this thread? For shame.
Fun fact: Provel is a portmanteau of "provolone" and "eldritch horror."
posted by Metroid Baby at 5:08 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
Fun fact: Provel is a portmanteau of "provolone" and "eldritch horror."
posted by Metroid Baby at 5:08 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
chambers, I used to get Villa Palermo all the time! But it was always thin-crust, which was great. It never occurred to me that they had deep dish. (Also fantastic in that vicinity: Max's Italian Beef.)
posted by ignignokt at 5:09 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by ignignokt at 5:09 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Ok, but are you saying you only order pizza three or four times a year, so you are always ordering the deep dish stuff? Or are you also eating a lot of pizza that's not deep dish?
These days, I only order deep dish 3 or 4 times a year, but in my 20's it used to be about once a month. I suppose have pizza in general at least once a month, but it's just of the various cheap pan stuff types I pick up on the way home from work. I get deep dish when I have a craving for actual, "real" pizza. The company I work for owns a few family-style Italian restaurants, so here and there I'll end up with some free pizza, but while it's good, it's often thin crust, and I've never really been into thin crust pizza myself. I blame where I grew up for that, as to get any pizza you had to drive 45 minutes, and when you got there, the places you had to chose from weren't that great.
posted by chambers at 5:13 PM on July 30, 2015
These days, I only order deep dish 3 or 4 times a year, but in my 20's it used to be about once a month. I suppose have pizza in general at least once a month, but it's just of the various cheap pan stuff types I pick up on the way home from work. I get deep dish when I have a craving for actual, "real" pizza. The company I work for owns a few family-style Italian restaurants, so here and there I'll end up with some free pizza, but while it's good, it's often thin crust, and I've never really been into thin crust pizza myself. I blame where I grew up for that, as to get any pizza you had to drive 45 minutes, and when you got there, the places you had to chose from weren't that great.
posted by chambers at 5:13 PM on July 30, 2015
Seriously. OSPD v3 legal and everything
If you're talking about "za" that wasn't legal until OSPD4
Anyway, yay, pizza!
posted by aubilenon at 5:26 PM on July 30, 2015
If you're talking about "za" that wasn't legal until OSPD4
Anyway, yay, pizza!
posted by aubilenon at 5:26 PM on July 30, 2015
Plutonian enchiladas are a dish best served cold...
It is very cold in space...
In space no one can hear them steam.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 5:28 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
It is very cold in space...
In space no one can hear them steam.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 5:28 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
As if there was ever any question whether Chicago had better pizza than New York.
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:45 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:45 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
The pizza in Hell is the best, so good and plentiful that you'll never be able to bring yourself to stop eating it. Only downside is, you and everyone else in Hell have been rendered eternally lactose intolerant. Oh, and there's only one WC but it's locked: the devil's in there reading the newspaper until the end of time.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 5:46 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 5:46 PM on July 30, 2015
The first time I saw cracker crust pizza in Chicago I was 100% sure it was some kind of prank. What the heck!!!!
posted by sallybrown at 5:54 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by sallybrown at 5:54 PM on July 30, 2015
Shout-out to Leo's in South Buffalo.
Oooh, interesting. My South Buffalo go-to is Imperial, but I'm always up for a change.
Buffalo-style pizza is always my first meal whenever I go back home. It's just something special. Buffalo doesn't get the tourist volume* to get a mention on these lists, which is a shame, because it really is a delight. These boring, myopic NY/Chicago wars really don't know what they're missing.
* but Buffalonians eat a lot of pizza, so in my admittedly southtowns-focused experience, places that do mediocre pizza/wings don't tend to stay in business that long.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:04 PM on July 30, 2015
Oooh, interesting. My South Buffalo go-to is Imperial, but I'm always up for a change.
Buffalo-style pizza is always my first meal whenever I go back home. It's just something special. Buffalo doesn't get the tourist volume* to get a mention on these lists, which is a shame, because it really is a delight. These boring, myopic NY/Chicago wars really don't know what they're missing.
* but Buffalonians eat a lot of pizza, so in my admittedly southtowns-focused experience, places that do mediocre pizza/wings don't tend to stay in business that long.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:04 PM on July 30, 2015
With respect, Frank Pepe's isn't even the best in New Haven. I'd put Sally's and Modern ahead of Pepe's.
roseland's in derby destroys all three of them. but the point is more that new haven style pizza (which originated in new haven but can be found in various forms all over connecticut) is the best pizza in the country, in the world, certainly better than the infested greek-style pizza scene of boston, where i live currently, and better than any pie i've had in new york (though i probably haven't been to the right places).
posted by JimBennett at 6:10 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
roseland's in derby destroys all three of them. but the point is more that new haven style pizza (which originated in new haven but can be found in various forms all over connecticut) is the best pizza in the country, in the world, certainly better than the infested greek-style pizza scene of boston, where i live currently, and better than any pie i've had in new york (though i probably haven't been to the right places).
posted by JimBennett at 6:10 PM on July 30, 2015 [5 favorites]
I really like New Haven pizza, and I don't even live there. Good job, New Haven.
Is Juliana's really New York's best? I work around there so I've had it a bunch of times, and it's really good, but the best?
posted by !Jim at 6:56 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Is Juliana's really New York's best? I work around there so I've had it a bunch of times, and it's really good, but the best?
posted by !Jim at 6:56 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Deep dish pretty much has to be reheated and it's just not the same.
No way! Cold deep dish for breakfast is the best! If the pizza has cooled a bit from its optimal (mouth-burning) temperature, might as well just stick it in the fridge for the morning, because lukewarm deep dish is inferior to both hot and cold.
posted by Daily Alice at 7:05 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
No way! Cold deep dish for breakfast is the best! If the pizza has cooled a bit from its optimal (mouth-burning) temperature, might as well just stick it in the fridge for the morning, because lukewarm deep dish is inferior to both hot and cold.
posted by Daily Alice at 7:05 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hey, I like Lou Malnati's. It's no Pequod's with anchovies, but it's not Gino's East/
posted by crush-onastick at 7:22 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by crush-onastick at 7:22 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
The pizza in Hell is the best, so good and plentiful that you'll never be able to bring yourself to stop eating it. Only downside is, you and everyone else in Hell have been rendered eternally lactose intolerant. Oh, and there's only one WC but it's locked: the devil's in there reading the newspaper until the end of time.
Infernal Courant headline: GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE, ASSHOLE
cause...what's he gonna do that's worse
posted by clockzero at 7:23 PM on July 30, 2015
Infernal Courant headline: GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE, ASSHOLE
cause...what's he gonna do that's worse
posted by clockzero at 7:23 PM on July 30, 2015
> 'za
I had a friend once say to me, "Let's get some 'za, brah."
...
I'm sorry, I meant to type former friend.
posted by komara at 7:48 PM on July 30, 2015
I had a friend once say to me, "Let's get some 'za, brah."
...
I'm sorry, I meant to type former friend.
posted by komara at 7:48 PM on July 30, 2015
Good job on placing well to both New York and Chicago pizza.
Hopefully it makes up for the fact your breweries are crap.
Man, I'm right in the fuckin' room.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [8 favorites]
Hopefully it makes up for the fact your breweries are crap.
Man, I'm right in the fuckin' room.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [8 favorites]
Holy beans! Finch's is Mefi's Own!
posted by Going To Maine at 8:07 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by Going To Maine at 8:07 PM on July 30, 2015
Fuck NYC. I hope they make another Sex and the City movie and drag your city's reputation even lower than Lehman Brothers did.
your inferiority complex is showing
posted by JimBennett at 8:26 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
your inferiority complex is showing
posted by JimBennett at 8:26 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
lol irl
posted by poffin boffin at 8:33 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by poffin boffin at 8:33 PM on July 30, 2015
The TripAdvisor lists count for less than nothing; the methodology is notoriously flawed, and it's just an excuse to get page hits.
That having been said, re: Juliana's:
And it looks great. But looking at the picture, I'd argue that most would not consider that to be a "NY Style" pizza
It's absolutely NY style, and about as traditional as it gets. It's just that we have multiple indigenous styles. Juliana's is an exemplar of "New York/Neapolitan style." Or just "coal oven," because that Venn diagram has a heck of a lot of overlap here.
(Juliana's is also part of the mother of all tangled pizzeria family trees, but that's another story.)
That said, it's not NY slice style... which was the next evolutionary step, which is the most common style in NYC, and which is indeed what most of the country thinks of when they think of New York pizza.
To put it another way, if "most" in your argument refers to people outside New York, you are correct. If it refers to New Yorkers, not so much.
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:50 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
That having been said, re: Juliana's:
And it looks great. But looking at the picture, I'd argue that most would not consider that to be a "NY Style" pizza
It's absolutely NY style, and about as traditional as it gets. It's just that we have multiple indigenous styles. Juliana's is an exemplar of "New York/Neapolitan style." Or just "coal oven," because that Venn diagram has a heck of a lot of overlap here.
(Juliana's is also part of the mother of all tangled pizzeria family trees, but that's another story.)
That said, it's not NY slice style... which was the next evolutionary step, which is the most common style in NYC, and which is indeed what most of the country thinks of when they think of New York pizza.
To put it another way, if "most" in your argument refers to people outside New York, you are correct. If it refers to New Yorkers, not so much.
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:50 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
WHY IS THERE NO LOVE FOR SBARRO'S? WHERE ARE MY FELLOW SBARRBROS AT?
posted by Going To Maine at 8:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Going To Maine at 8:57 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
Is Sbarro's even around still?
Man, do you even go to airports?
posted by Going To Maine at 9:02 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
Man, do you even go to airports?
posted by Going To Maine at 9:02 PM on July 30, 2015 [6 favorites]
(Or to put it a third way, claiming that Juliana's isn't NY style makes as much sense as claiming that Chicago thin-crust pizza isn't Chicago style, simply because most people assume Chicago = deep dish.)
posted by Shmuel510 at 9:07 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by Shmuel510 at 9:07 PM on July 30, 2015
The best pizza has anchovy paste smeared into the olive oil.
posted by oceanjesse at 9:21 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by oceanjesse at 9:21 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Even if it was at O'Hare, why would I go there instead of Goddess & Grocer, or Frontera?
I will assume that you have not had the utter joy that is a Sbarro's vaguely-calzone-esque-stuffed-spinach-thing. (Although, if you were to get one of those & then dip it in the chocolate sauce you get with the churros at Frontera, it just might kick it up to new heights.)
posted by Going To Maine at 9:24 PM on July 30, 2015
I will assume that you have not had the utter joy that is a Sbarro's vaguely-calzone-esque-stuffed-spinach-thing. (Although, if you were to get one of those & then dip it in the chocolate sauce you get with the churros at Frontera, it just might kick it up to new heights.)
posted by Going To Maine at 9:24 PM on July 30, 2015
"utter joy that is a Sbarro's vaguely-calzone-esque-stuffed-spinach-thing"
There's a time in this thread where it's appropriate to gently rib a fellow user about the thing that they like vs. the thing that you like, and then there's a time where one has to sit back in one's chair with eyes wide and say, "Are you being serious right now because really."
posted by komara at 9:47 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
There's a time in this thread where it's appropriate to gently rib a fellow user about the thing that they like vs. the thing that you like, and then there's a time where one has to sit back in one's chair with eyes wide and say, "Are you being serious right now because really."
posted by komara at 9:47 PM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]
roseland's in derby destroys all three of them.
I've been on airplanes for the last fifteen hours but I feel so strongly about this that when I saw this thread I had to come in and mention Roseland before passing out in a stupor.
posted by pemberkins at 10:25 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
I've been on airplanes for the last fifteen hours but I feel so strongly about this that when I saw this thread I had to come in and mention Roseland before passing out in a stupor.
posted by pemberkins at 10:25 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
you are the hero mefi deserves my good sir/madam
posted by poffin boffin at 10:36 PM on July 30, 2015
posted by poffin boffin at 10:36 PM on July 30, 2015
I'll go one further than Sphinx and admit that I'd rather eat Domino's or Pizza Hut than New York style pizza. And I've lived in NYC for 8 years now.
Flagged for trolling/insanity.
posted by Edgewise at 10:55 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
Flagged for trolling/insanity.
posted by Edgewise at 10:55 PM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
In my experience, "sbarro" is Italian for "your restroom is filthy."
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 11:40 PM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 11:40 PM on July 30, 2015 [4 favorites]
Well, it's not at Midway or O'Hare, definitely not at Incheon or Narita
Several years ago there was actually a Sbarro in Incheon, a fact I know from having personally stared at it while wondering why, of all the American mall fast food chains I knew, they had to import that one.
Apparently at some point someone at Incheon wondered that too, as it's long gone.
posted by Aster at 11:54 PM on July 30, 2015
Several years ago there was actually a Sbarro in Incheon, a fact I know from having personally stared at it while wondering why, of all the American mall fast food chains I knew, they had to import that one.
Apparently at some point someone at Incheon wondered that too, as it's long gone.
posted by Aster at 11:54 PM on July 30, 2015
Max's Italian Beef
Actually, I'm Dutch, but...thank you.
Out here on our backwards island in Puget Sound, we have a pretty good little pizzeria--Joe's Wood-Fired Pizza, accurate of name and tasty of pie.
posted by maxwelton at 12:22 AM on July 31, 2015
Actually, I'm Dutch, but...thank you.
Out here on our backwards island in Puget Sound, we have a pretty good little pizzeria--Joe's Wood-Fired Pizza, accurate of name and tasty of pie.
posted by maxwelton at 12:22 AM on July 31, 2015
TrialByMedia: "Your favorite pizza is foul steaming excrement, spewn from Satan's own bunghole, from which the beasts of the field flee in horror!
My favorite pizza is unadulterated manna from Heaven, heals the sick, and raises the sprits of all who behold it's glorious countenance!
But what kind of smartphone do you have?"
You wouldn't have heard of it.
posted by Samizdata at 12:27 AM on July 31, 2015
My favorite pizza is unadulterated manna from Heaven, heals the sick, and raises the sprits of all who behold it's glorious countenance!
But what kind of smartphone do you have?"
You wouldn't have heard of it.
posted by Samizdata at 12:27 AM on July 31, 2015
TheWhiteSkull: "Plutonian enchiladas are a dish best served cold...
It is very cold in space...
BTW, if you're ever on Qo'noS, you have to try Lursa's Original. Get one with bithool gagh and extra grapok sauce. You haven't really eaten pizza until you've eaten it in the place it was invented."
Fucking tourists.
posted by Samizdata at 12:30 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
It is very cold in space...
BTW, if you're ever on Qo'noS, you have to try Lursa's Original. Get one with bithool gagh and extra grapok sauce. You haven't really eaten pizza until you've eaten it in the place it was invented."
Fucking tourists.
posted by Samizdata at 12:30 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
WHY IS THERE NO LOVE FOR SBARRO'S? WHERE ARE MY FELLOW SBARRBROS AT?
*tweet*
Red card.
posted by eriko at 5:32 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
*tweet*
Red card.
posted by eriko at 5:32 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
No one. Who lives in Chicago. Eats deep dish on the regular. NO ONE. It's a lie, misconception, whatever you want to call it. Our pizza is delicious and thin and crispy. But it will be in squares.
posted by agregoli at 7:02 AM on July 31, 2015
posted by agregoli at 7:02 AM on July 31, 2015
I just find it funny that this famous food that everyone thinks is the quintessential signature dish of the place where I grew up was not the quintessential signature dish of the place where I grew up.
Quoted for truth. I hate when people decry Chicago pizza and they are talking about deep dish. Tells me they are an outsider.
posted by agregoli at 7:05 AM on July 31, 2015
Quoted for truth. I hate when people decry Chicago pizza and they are talking about deep dish. Tells me they are an outsider.
posted by agregoli at 7:05 AM on July 31, 2015
The best pizza in Chicago is a tie between the Neapolitan-style pizza at Spacca Napoli and the New York style pizza at Jimmy's.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 7:56 AM on July 31, 2015
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 7:56 AM on July 31, 2015
Pequod's comes in a close second but the crowds there are too irritating for words.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 7:57 AM on July 31, 2015
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 7:57 AM on July 31, 2015
We've been through all this chatter about the "best" pizza. What really matters is the kind of slice or pie you get from a local pizza joint. I have my personal no-name favorites in Hoboken, Linden, Livingston, Lambertville, Mountain Lakes etc. etc. etc., but the point is if you roll the dice between, say, New Haven and Philadelphia, odds are they know what they're doing.
The dropoff outside the Pizza Corridor is appalling. Forget "best", there will be time, effort and luck involved to even get "decent".
posted by whuppy at 7:59 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
The dropoff outside the Pizza Corridor is appalling. Forget "best", there will be time, effort and luck involved to even get "decent".
posted by whuppy at 7:59 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
> new haven style pizza (which originated in new haven but can be found in various forms all over connecticut) is the best pizza in the country
Tell it, brother!
> With respect, Frank Pepe's isn't even the best in New Haven. I'd put Sally's and Modern ahead of Pepe's.
Uh-oh. And now the bloodshed begins...
posted by languagehat at 8:00 AM on July 31, 2015
Tell it, brother!
> With respect, Frank Pepe's isn't even the best in New Haven. I'd put Sally's and Modern ahead of Pepe's.
Uh-oh. And now the bloodshed begins...
posted by languagehat at 8:00 AM on July 31, 2015
> new haven style pizza (which originated in new haven but can be found in various forms all over connecticut)
And also in Chicago at Piece.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 8:06 AM on July 31, 2015
And also in Chicago at Piece.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 8:06 AM on July 31, 2015
The best pizza experience I've ever had was on a warm spring night in Hopewell, NJ. I haven't been back to Nomad Pizza in awhile, but it is still my perfect pizza memory, even after several years of living in New Haven.*
*Pepe's has the best white clam pie, Sally's does the plain classics exceptionally well, but I generally prefer the overall experience best at Modern.
posted by Diagonalize at 9:31 AM on July 31, 2015
*Pepe's has the best white clam pie, Sally's does the plain classics exceptionally well, but I generally prefer the overall experience best at Modern.
posted by Diagonalize at 9:31 AM on July 31, 2015
Also, on the now serious tip: Pupatella in Arlington, VA is pretty darn great.
posted by Going To Maine at 9:54 AM on July 31, 2015
posted by Going To Maine at 9:54 AM on July 31, 2015
No one. Who lives in Chicago. Eats deep dish on the regular. NO ONE. It's a lie, misconception, whatever you want to call it. Our pizza is delicious and thin and crispy. But it will be in squares.
I mean I hear this enough that it must certainly be true for a lot of people, but pretty much everyone I know here devours the stuff pretty frequently.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:42 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
I mean I hear this enough that it must certainly be true for a lot of people, but pretty much everyone I know here devours the stuff pretty frequently.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:42 AM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
Comedy writers,... Sheesh! He didn't make one comment that was actually about food, only appearance and his little preconceptions and aesthetic preferences.
I've lived in NY for close to 30 years and I still yearn for an Eduardo's Special. I swoon to think of my first pie at Gino's East. And I cry to compare the Uno's chain restaurant that purported to bring Chicago Style Pizza to NY. Not even close!
posted by cleroy at 4:05 PM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
I've lived in NY for close to 30 years and I still yearn for an Eduardo's Special. I swoon to think of my first pie at Gino's East. And I cry to compare the Uno's chain restaurant that purported to bring Chicago Style Pizza to NY. Not even close!
posted by cleroy at 4:05 PM on July 31, 2015 [1 favorite]
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Heh, I now live two blocks from DiFara and boy there are people clearly Not From The Neighborhood packed in and lined up in front of that place rain or shine. Food vendors just hang out outside of it when they're open and they recently installed a bench.
posted by griphus at 11:38 AM on July 30, 2015 [1 favorite]