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$20,000 bonus to official who agreed on nuke claim A former Energy Department intelligence chief who agreed with the White House claim that Iraq had reconstituted its defunct nuclear-arms program was awarded a total of $20,500 in bonuses during the build-up to the war, WorldNetDaily has learned...His officers argued at a pre-briefing at Energy headquarters that there was no hard evidence to support the alarming Iraq nuclear charge, and asked to join State Department's dissenting opinion, Energy officials say. Rider ordered them to "shut up and sit down," according to sources familiar with the meeting.
"The debate over whether Baghdad was trying to acquire nuclear weapons pretty much came down to the tubes," said one Energy official. "Yet even though DOE voted against the tubes, Rider still argued that the program was being reconstituted."
I paid a portion of those bonuses.
This may be true, but a bad argument, you gave how many of many divided cents, out of your pocket? Do you ever pick a penny up off the ground?
posted by thomcatspike at 8:44 AM on August 13, 2003
I paid a portion of those bonuses.
This may be true, but a bad argument, you gave how many of many divided cents, out of your pocket? Do you ever pick a penny up off the ground?
posted by thomcatspike at 8:44 AM on August 13, 2003
This may be true, but a bad argument, you gave how many of many divided cents, out of your pocket? Do you ever pick a penny up off the ground?
Yeah, and who cares who you vote for, either. You only get one vote out of millions. Be a good boy and eat up your lies.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 8:47 AM on August 13, 2003
Yeah, and who cares who you vote for, either. You only get one vote out of millions. Be a good boy and eat up your lies.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 8:47 AM on August 13, 2003
Rider declined to talk about the payments.
"I'm really not going to talk about my personal life," he told WorldNetDaily.
Nobody asked you whether you like your wife to spank you with rubber chickens, dipshit. This is about your work in government, and it's not your private business.
posted by orange swan at 8:54 AM on August 13, 2003
"I'm really not going to talk about my personal life," he told WorldNetDaily.
Nobody asked you whether you like your wife to spank you with rubber chickens, dipshit. This is about your work in government, and it's not your private business.
posted by orange swan at 8:54 AM on August 13, 2003
WorldNetDaily...what's that sweet aroma?
"It’s time to ignite the Second American Revolution,” writes Joseph Farah, editor and founder of WorldNetDaily.com. “It’s time to celebrate virtue and knowledge again. It’s time to wake up your neighbors so they can once again smell the sweet aroma of freedom ... Let’s take America back.”
[...]
According to Farah, “The choice is simple: The world of standards and morality, of marriage, order, the rule of law, and accountability to God? Or the world of anything-goes, aberrant sexual behavior, doing-your-own-thing lifestyles, and moral codes that change with the speed of the latest public-opinion poll?”
For the record, I am in fact a huffy liberal whiner.
posted by freebird at 8:58 AM on August 13, 2003
"It’s time to ignite the Second American Revolution,” writes Joseph Farah, editor and founder of WorldNetDaily.com. “It’s time to celebrate virtue and knowledge again. It’s time to wake up your neighbors so they can once again smell the sweet aroma of freedom ... Let’s take America back.”
[...]
According to Farah, “The choice is simple: The world of standards and morality, of marriage, order, the rule of law, and accountability to God? Or the world of anything-goes, aberrant sexual behavior, doing-your-own-thing lifestyles, and moral codes that change with the speed of the latest public-opinion poll?”
For the record, I am in fact a huffy liberal whiner.
posted by freebird at 8:58 AM on August 13, 2003
Yeah, and who cares who you vote for, either. You only get one vote out of millions. Be a good boy and eat up your lies.
Ignatius J. Reilly, what lie? I never said it was untrue, yet a bad argument. Don't like where your taxes go, don't pay them. My vote has nothing to do with taxes either, nor did I stick up for the crud in the article. My first comment was the most important to me, which was a quote from the article.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:02 AM on August 13, 2003
Ignatius J. Reilly, what lie? I never said it was untrue, yet a bad argument. Don't like where your taxes go, don't pay them. My vote has nothing to do with taxes either, nor did I stick up for the crud in the article. My first comment was the most important to me, which was a quote from the article.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:02 AM on August 13, 2003
Freebird:
does an author's credibility automatically sink because his work is picked up by a right-wing media outlet? Sperry has been published everywhere, and would throw away his career and credentials by making up sourced statements such as these. Not that it's impossible, though.
thomcat: what lie?
The lie, that Iraq was close to having nukes and that they had enough chemical and biological weapons on-hand to be an imminent threat the the US. I totally didn't mean to say that you were lying, but that it's unlikely this guy was mistakenly paid off and then coincidentally told his underlings to "sit down and shut up."
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:08 AM on August 13, 2003
does an author's credibility automatically sink because his work is picked up by a right-wing media outlet? Sperry has been published everywhere, and would throw away his career and credentials by making up sourced statements such as these. Not that it's impossible, though.
thomcat: what lie?
The lie, that Iraq was close to having nukes and that they had enough chemical and biological weapons on-hand to be an imminent threat the the US. I totally didn't mean to say that you were lying, but that it's unlikely this guy was mistakenly paid off and then coincidentally told his underlings to "sit down and shut up."
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:08 AM on August 13, 2003
does an author's credibility automatically sink because his work is picked up by a right-wing media outlet?
It's not just "picked up" by WND, it'sb "exclusive to WoldNetDaily" by the Washington Bureau chief of same, most of the sources remain unidentified, and I can't find any other stories about this story.
A federal official recieves $20k bonuses and followed the party line. While I personally am a huffy liberal whiner, I don't see this as either a big surprise to those who already suspect something funny is going on, nor likely to convince anyone who doesn't.
posted by freebird at 9:30 AM on August 13, 2003
It's not just "picked up" by WND, it'sb "exclusive to WoldNetDaily" by the Washington Bureau chief of same, most of the sources remain unidentified, and I can't find any other stories about this story.
A federal official recieves $20k bonuses and followed the party line. While I personally am a huffy liberal whiner, I don't see this as either a big surprise to those who already suspect something funny is going on, nor likely to convince anyone who doesn't.
posted by freebird at 9:30 AM on August 13, 2003
thomcat: what lie?
agree with you Ignatius, my comment should have been; lets not argue where portions of our pennies go, why the hell is someone receiving a bonus for doing their paid job? If I read the article correct, 3 bonuses for the year, two from one lie alone, correct?
"sit down and shut up."
Maybe he menat to say, shhh...you will ruin my bonus guys.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:30 AM on August 13, 2003
agree with you Ignatius, my comment should have been; lets not argue where portions of our pennies go, why the hell is someone receiving a bonus for doing their paid job? If I read the article correct, 3 bonuses for the year, two from one lie alone, correct?
"sit down and shut up."
Maybe he menat to say, shhh...you will ruin my bonus guys.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:30 AM on August 13, 2003
freebird:
If this is true, it is serisouly illegal and was a major transgression of and assault to the integrity of the intelligence process. If he was "following the party line," then that's even worse, because that would make the party line one of unmitigated corruption, which would be a bad PR move for the administration, IMHO.
If the story is not true, Sperry is straight-up lying about his sources, and it would be odd for a right-wing, pro-Bush editor to make up something damning to Bush's adminstration. But it is possible, sure. Or maybe somebodies lying to him. I bet we'll see.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:44 AM on August 13, 2003
If this is true, it is serisouly illegal and was a major transgression of and assault to the integrity of the intelligence process. If he was "following the party line," then that's even worse, because that would make the party line one of unmitigated corruption, which would be a bad PR move for the administration, IMHO.
If the story is not true, Sperry is straight-up lying about his sources, and it would be odd for a right-wing, pro-Bush editor to make up something damning to Bush's adminstration. But it is possible, sure. Or maybe somebodies lying to him. I bet we'll see.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:44 AM on August 13, 2003
“The choice is simple: The world of standards and morality, of marriage, order, the rule of law, and accountability to God? Or the world of anything-goes, aberrant sexual behavior, doing-your-own-thing lifestyles, and moral codes that change with the speed of the latest public-opinion poll?”
Um. Can't I mix it up a little bit? I lke both the rule of law and aberrant sexual behavior.
posted by kindall at 10:08 AM on August 13, 2003
Um. Can't I mix it up a little bit? I lke both the rule of law and aberrant sexual behavior.
posted by kindall at 10:08 AM on August 13, 2003
WorldNet published another story on this guy a week ago.
The official who represented the Energy Department at a key prewar intelligence meeting on Iraq's alleged new nuclear-weapons program was a human resources manager with no intelligence experience, and was easily swayed by Bush administration hawks, say department insiders.
posted by VulcanMike at 10:18 AM on August 13, 2003
The official who represented the Energy Department at a key prewar intelligence meeting on Iraq's alleged new nuclear-weapons program was a human resources manager with no intelligence experience, and was easily swayed by Bush administration hawks, say department insiders.
posted by VulcanMike at 10:18 AM on August 13, 2003
Is every single talkingpointsmemo post going to end up here? Perhaps we could have a TPM sidebar when Josh starts publishing an RSS feed?
posted by machaus at 10:21 AM on August 13, 2003
posted by machaus at 10:21 AM on August 13, 2003
hahaha... good point machaus - hopefully josh will add a comments section someday - or perhaps its time for joshfilter.com ?
the article in question is worth an FPP nevertheless - f**kin bush administration - these guys are out of control.
one term president - all together now... get your nieghbors, get your cousins, get your grandmothers... get them to read, learn, then vote.
posted by specialk420 at 10:28 AM on August 13, 2003
the article in question is worth an FPP nevertheless - f**kin bush administration - these guys are out of control.
one term president - all together now... get your nieghbors, get your cousins, get your grandmothers... get them to read, learn, then vote.
posted by specialk420 at 10:28 AM on August 13, 2003
Be a good boy and eat up your lies.
how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your lies?!
we don't need no education... we don't need no thought control...
posted by quonsar at 10:39 AM on August 13, 2003
how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your lies?!
we don't need no education... we don't need no thought control...
posted by quonsar at 10:39 AM on August 13, 2003
"Bonus" may be a misnomer in this context. The word "bribe" comes to mind as a more accurate description of the process of awarding money to this guy.
posted by mygoditsbob at 10:45 AM on August 13, 2003
posted by mygoditsbob at 10:45 AM on August 13, 2003
Thomas Rider, as acting director of Energy's intelligence office,
What is his job? spying on the use of other country's energies. But he was rewarded for telling about weapons??? Who reports info on weapons? Sounds like double jobs here. This is a mess, I take it around WWII era is when all this crap was started. (side not) Just read when the U2 plane was shot down over Russia, 1960(iirc). Not until Russia announced the CIA was behind it, no one had heard publicly the CIA, our own USA Dept.. So most Americans just scratched their heads, U2 & CIA, what's that and ignored the story.
Respect our military, fire dept & police dept. But making this country a police state will make more jobs for the bullies in this country. Think, if this was a perfect world, how many people dealing with security issues would still have a job today? Maybe we need to cut some of these programs and get better bones and lose the yellow stripe on our backs. But too we have asked for it socially, making life about me, protect me. Instead as a nation, which seems natural, watch my fellow person's back, added for free.
posted by thomcatspike at 12:06 PM on August 13, 2003
What is his job? spying on the use of other country's energies. But he was rewarded for telling about weapons??? Who reports info on weapons? Sounds like double jobs here. This is a mess, I take it around WWII era is when all this crap was started. (side not) Just read when the U2 plane was shot down over Russia, 1960(iirc). Not until Russia announced the CIA was behind it, no one had heard publicly the CIA, our own USA Dept.. So most Americans just scratched their heads, U2 & CIA, what's that and ignored the story.
Respect our military, fire dept & police dept. But making this country a police state will make more jobs for the bullies in this country. Think, if this was a perfect world, how many people dealing with security issues would still have a job today? Maybe we need to cut some of these programs and get better bones and lose the yellow stripe on our backs. But too we have asked for it socially, making life about me, protect me. Instead as a nation, which seems natural, watch my fellow person's back, added for free.
posted by thomcatspike at 12:06 PM on August 13, 2003
Qounsar's been watching "The Wall" on DirecTV I see ... great concert BTW!
How dare anyone question Dear Leader!
If I had my way I'd have you all shot! (another Pink Floyd allusion to facism)
The nerve of you people accusing Dear Leader of politicizing government.
Especially after Dear Leader brought back honor and integrity and ethics and character and unity to our nation's capital! You should be kissing his tinyjackcowboy boots instead!
Shame!
posted by nofundy at 12:23 PM on August 13, 2003
How dare anyone question Dear Leader!
If I had my way I'd have you all shot! (another Pink Floyd allusion to facism)
The nerve of you people accusing Dear Leader of politicizing government.
Especially after Dear Leader brought back honor and integrity and ethics and character and unity to our nation's capital! You should be kissing his tiny
Shame!
posted by nofundy at 12:23 PM on August 13, 2003
I do enjoy how WorldNetDaily becomes a credible source when it supports your POV.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 1:54 AM on August 14, 2003
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 1:54 AM on August 14, 2003
Steve-
Worldnetdaily is often crazy as hell, but writers have ouvres that can be examined. Is Investor's Business Daily forever tainted because their former editor now writes for WorldNetDaily? Some of us are capable of reading a story and deciding what we think of it without absolute enslavement to whatever ideological team we're on.
Why is Sperry not a credible reporter?
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:49 AM on August 14, 2003
Worldnetdaily is often crazy as hell, but writers have ouvres that can be examined. Is Investor's Business Daily forever tainted because their former editor now writes for WorldNetDaily? Some of us are capable of reading a story and deciding what we think of it without absolute enslavement to whatever ideological team we're on.
Why is Sperry not a credible reporter?
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:49 AM on August 14, 2003
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