Nader's nadir
June 26, 2004 3:03 PM Subscribe
The Green Party rejects Ralph Nader. On the second ballot at the Green Party nominating convention held today in Milwaukee, WI, David Cobb defeated Peter Camajo (Nader's running mate) for the Green Party nomination, thereby denying Nader automatic placement onto the ballot in 23 states.
Ethics Group Says Nader Violates FEC Lawsposted by Space Coyote at 3:24 PM on June 26, 2004
I really want to know what kind of crack nader is smoking.
He's on some sort of bizarre ego trip that is only going to serve to damage the prospects of future third-party candidates.
posted by bshort at 11:01 PM on June 26, 2004
He's on some sort of bizarre ego trip that is only going to serve to damage the prospects of future third-party candidates.
posted by bshort at 11:01 PM on June 26, 2004
Aw man. I was really excited to see bshort's comment, because I totally agree. And then I saw boaz's comment, which just serves to bring the whole thing back to the 2-party oligarchical pole-driven shitfest everybody in one of the 2 major parties wants it to be. No offense, boaz, but not everything Nader has done, nor everything the Green party is doing, is about upsetting the delicate balance between Republican evil and Democratic buffoonery. There is a third way out there somewhere.
posted by scarabic at 1:37 AM on June 27, 2004 [1 favorite]
posted by scarabic at 1:37 AM on June 27, 2004 [1 favorite]
Scarabic, the 2 party system is incredibly entrenched, and I think that 3rd parties and their candidates often have something important to say, i.e., John Anderson in 1980. But Nader is beating a dead horse, knowing full well the consequences of 4 more years of Bush, although looking for another story I found this. I think Nader would make a terrible president.
posted by theora55 at 9:25 AM on June 27, 2004
posted by theora55 at 9:25 AM on June 27, 2004
Frankly, I'm getting kind of annoyed at American commentors who are somewhere between blithely ignorant and pugnacious misinformed about our political system and parties telling us how to run ourselves. The "right-wing" in Canada is slightly to the left of the Democratic party of America on most issues, and unwilling to challenge the status quo on the rest.
posted by Pseudoephedrine at 12:19 PM on June 27, 2004
posted by Pseudoephedrine at 12:19 PM on June 27, 2004
The partnership between Nader and the Greens has always been a bit of a marriage of inconvenience. It always seemed that Nader just was using the greens as a platform for his own one-note agenda without ever really being green. Greens were more than happy to use Nader for the short-term publicity.
Personally, I'm still waiting to see how things pan out.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 1:55 PM on June 27, 2004
Personally, I'm still waiting to see how things pan out.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 1:55 PM on June 27, 2004
This is the single greatest contribution that the Greens have ever made to US politics.
posted by Bag Man at 3:58 PM on June 27, 2004
posted by Bag Man at 3:58 PM on June 27, 2004
So scarabic, do you mean pole-driven, poll-driven or pole-driven (Last one maybe NSFW)? Because they all kinda make sense in context.
posted by boaz at 5:47 PM on June 27, 2004
posted by boaz at 5:47 PM on June 27, 2004
Oh yes. Oh hell yes.
Great for the Greens, who can now move on with the serious business of creating a real third-party alternative rather than merely stroking the ego of a megalomaniac who's effectively disavowed them. But even greater for the US and the world, whose chances of being run by a homicidal chimpanzee for another four years have just gone down by that much. Finally I could feel good about voting Green in local and down-ticket elections. Not that I can vote in the US anyway, but at least I could feel good about it if I did.
posted by ramakrishna at 9:16 PM on June 27, 2004
Great for the Greens, who can now move on with the serious business of creating a real third-party alternative rather than merely stroking the ego of a megalomaniac who's effectively disavowed them. But even greater for the US and the world, whose chances of being run by a homicidal chimpanzee for another four years have just gone down by that much. Finally I could feel good about voting Green in local and down-ticket elections. Not that I can vote in the US anyway, but at least I could feel good about it if I did.
posted by ramakrishna at 9:16 PM on June 27, 2004
Nader has vowed to end the two-party system in the U.S. I'd say he's done a pretty damned good job so far.
posted by MrMoonPie at 7:23 AM on June 28, 2004
posted by MrMoonPie at 7:23 AM on June 28, 2004
Oh, and my brother is, apparently, now National Co-Chair of the Green Party!
posted by MrMoonPie at 11:56 AM on June 28, 2004
posted by MrMoonPie at 11:56 AM on June 28, 2004
Right-wing groups -- and Bush-Cheney '04 -- may have violated federal campaign law to help get Ralph Nader on the ballot in Oregon.
posted by homunculus at 8:59 PM on June 28, 2004
posted by homunculus at 8:59 PM on June 28, 2004
Nader has vowed to end the two-party system in the U.S. I'd say he's done a pretty damned good job so far.
At the expense of 10,000+ innocent Iraqis and nearly 1,000 Americans, not to mention the future of civil liberties, abortion and the separation of church and state. I guess speed limits and seatbelts just weren't enough. Thanks Ralph, you're a great American!
posted by Bag Man at 10:01 AM on July 5, 2004
At the expense of 10,000+ innocent Iraqis and nearly 1,000 Americans, not to mention the future of civil liberties, abortion and the separation of church and state. I guess speed limits and seatbelts just weren't enough. Thanks Ralph, you're a great American!
posted by Bag Man at 10:01 AM on July 5, 2004
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