w3sp Defrag
May 10, 2012 1:21 PM Subscribe
DeFRaG is a mod for Quake 3 that focuses on trickjumping and completing timed courses. One of the best defrag players in the world, w3sp, is the focus of two great defrag videos: w3sp strafes and f33l
The music in "w3sp strafes" is Eyen by Plaid, not Charlie Clouser.
(In case you liked it and wanted to buy it)
posted by basicchannel at 2:29 PM on May 10, 2012
(In case you liked it and wanted to buy it)
posted by basicchannel at 2:29 PM on May 10, 2012
I keep hoping twitch FPS gaming will make a big comeback. At least there's still the ocassional game to be had over on Quake Live.
posted by Lorin at 2:40 PM on May 10, 2012
posted by Lorin at 2:40 PM on May 10, 2012
Come play Quake Live - the last of the great games of skill. And it's free :)
These days games are all about form and content but Quake III / Quake Live is pure 100% function.
If anyone wants a duel then check me out - I'm MrsMoo
"Gauntlet Humiliation" :D
posted by Monkeymoo at 3:02 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
These days games are all about form and content but Quake III / Quake Live is pure 100% function.
If anyone wants a duel then check me out - I'm MrsMoo
"Gauntlet Humiliation" :D
posted by Monkeymoo at 3:02 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
Oh I should also mention that some of this is done using CPMA, which is a mod for Quake 3 that allows more movement variety (it will usually say during the video if it's in CPMA or Quake 3)
The difference is that CPMA has:
bunnyhopping - this was present in Quakeworld and Quake 2 was but replaced by strafe jumping in Quake 3
rampsliding - what it sounds like, moving at great speed will allow you to travel 'up' ramps
trimping - jumping at the end of a ramp or some kind of ledge will propel you to a greater height
I'll do a post on Quake 3 frag videos later, there are some really great ones out there
posted by Cloud King at 3:02 PM on May 10, 2012
The difference is that CPMA has:
bunnyhopping - this was present in Quakeworld and Quake 2 was but replaced by strafe jumping in Quake 3
rampsliding - what it sounds like, moving at great speed will allow you to travel 'up' ramps
trimping - jumping at the end of a ramp or some kind of ledge will propel you to a greater height
I'll do a post on Quake 3 frag videos later, there are some really great ones out there
posted by Cloud King at 3:02 PM on May 10, 2012
> Reminds me of a Mirror's Edge speed run
I was just coming in to say exactly that, those DLC levels are amazing. The movement in Mirror's Edge is a little bit too based on predefined actions to make for really innovative speed runs though, there's much less potential for stringing together low level inputs and getting madness out of the physics.
N is probably the only game I've ever got to know well enough to do tricks and speed-runs with. There's definite joy in physics that are loose enough to surprise but solid enough to trust.
posted by lucidium at 3:27 PM on May 10, 2012
I was just coming in to say exactly that, those DLC levels are amazing. The movement in Mirror's Edge is a little bit too based on predefined actions to make for really innovative speed runs though, there's much less potential for stringing together low level inputs and getting madness out of the physics.
N is probably the only game I've ever got to know well enough to do tricks and speed-runs with. There's definite joy in physics that are loose enough to surprise but solid enough to trust.
posted by lucidium at 3:27 PM on May 10, 2012
couple of other videos: The Enlightenment, 2008 Defrag World Cup, Celestia
posted by Cloud King at 3:35 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Cloud King at 3:35 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
The difference is that CPMA has:
bunnyhopping - this was present in Quakeworld and Quake 2 was but replaced by strafe jumping in Quake 3
rampsliding - what it sounds like, moving at great speed will allow you to travel 'up' ramps
trimping - jumping at the end of a ramp or some kind of ledge will propel you to a greater height
The other difference with CPMA, which is what makes it really crazy, is that you can redirect your momentum with the mouse. That is, if you look around a corner while jumping at it, you will actually go around the corner in mid air. That allows you to maintain the speed you build up no matter what path you take.
posted by gonna get a dog at 3:44 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
bunnyhopping - this was present in Quakeworld and Quake 2 was but replaced by strafe jumping in Quake 3
rampsliding - what it sounds like, moving at great speed will allow you to travel 'up' ramps
trimping - jumping at the end of a ramp or some kind of ledge will propel you to a greater height
The other difference with CPMA, which is what makes it really crazy, is that you can redirect your momentum with the mouse. That is, if you look around a corner while jumping at it, you will actually go around the corner in mid air. That allows you to maintain the speed you build up no matter what path you take.
posted by gonna get a dog at 3:44 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
war§ow is an indie FPS made out of the physics quirks that its developers found most interesting. It makes for some pretty interesting trickruns.
posted by LogicalDash at 4:21 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by LogicalDash at 4:21 PM on May 10, 2012 [1 favorite]
Warsow is also cel shaded, and looks amazing.
posted by not_that_epiphanius at 5:36 PM on May 10, 2012
posted by not_that_epiphanius at 5:36 PM on May 10, 2012
Mirror's Edge Cat jumps better than you.
posted by scalefree at 7:10 PM on May 10, 2012 [6 favorites]
posted by scalefree at 7:10 PM on May 10, 2012 [6 favorites]
Listening to the constant grunting in that warsow video made me feel out of breath.
posted by nzero at 7:23 PM on May 10, 2012
posted by nzero at 7:23 PM on May 10, 2012
Woot, QuakeLive!! Duel is boring though..
"afds;ljk" :)
posted by Chuckles at 7:56 PM on May 10, 2012
"afds;ljk" :)
posted by Chuckles at 7:56 PM on May 10, 2012
Watching that first video link made me happy in pretty much the same way playing Jet Grind Radio (Future) made me happy. The endless glee in moving through the game space in transgressive ways - in JGR the "transgressive" ways are largely the ones the game encourages you to learn and link together, of course, while "flying sideways along a wall by the knockback from your plasma gun" is an accidental emergent property of the game, and probably more transgressive for that.
It almost makes me want to try and learn to play FPSs, a genre I've previously loathed. With the exception of "Portal", which is also about the joy of moving around a space in strange ways.
War§ow looks interesting. Does it come with any kind of tutorial that teaches you how to do these crazy movements, or are you just expected to know how to do the from playing Quake your whole life? Because I am sure I would get my ass stomped so hard in competition that "p0wned" doesn't even begin to cover it.
posted by egypturnash at 7:58 PM on May 10, 2012
It almost makes me want to try and learn to play FPSs, a genre I've previously loathed. With the exception of "Portal", which is also about the joy of moving around a space in strange ways.
War§ow looks interesting. Does it come with any kind of tutorial that teaches you how to do these crazy movements, or are you just expected to know how to do the from playing Quake your whole life? Because I am sure I would get my ass stomped so hard in competition that "p0wned" doesn't even begin to cover it.
posted by egypturnash at 7:58 PM on May 10, 2012
I always wondered where the pleasure comes from with this type of modding activity. Never knew if it's the playing, programming, or social aspect of sharing and seeing what can be done with a particular 3d engine that gets people involved.
I guess I can see it as being a form of art, and people that mod are expressing themselves through this medium.
posted by quanti at 11:23 PM on May 10, 2012
I guess I can see it as being a form of art, and people that mod are expressing themselves through this medium.
posted by quanti at 11:23 PM on May 10, 2012
activity. Never knew if it's the playing, programming, or social aspect of sharing and seeing what can be done with a particular 3d engine that gets people involved.
Yes.
Come play Quake Live - the last of the great games of skill. And it's free :)
Better yet, play OpenArena, the open source variant of Quake III Arena.
posted by MartinWisse at 11:30 PM on May 10, 2012
Yes.
Come play Quake Live - the last of the great games of skill. And it's free :)
Better yet, play OpenArena, the open source variant of Quake III Arena.
posted by MartinWisse at 11:30 PM on May 10, 2012
Come play Quake Live - the last of the great games of skill. And it's free :)
Well, no, it is not free in any way that matters to people who've been playing the game for more than a decade. Don't get me started again on the shitty cynical cashgrab that is Quake Live (see Exhibit 3).
I still love Quake 3 and RA3 with all my heart, and so disappointed what has been done with the legacy.
I do understand wanting to love Quake Live. I feel it. But it just makes me angry.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:18 AM on May 11, 2012
Well, no, it is not free in any way that matters to people who've been playing the game for more than a decade. Don't get me started again on the shitty cynical cashgrab that is Quake Live (see Exhibit 3).
I still love Quake 3 and RA3 with all my heart, and so disappointed what has been done with the legacy.
I do understand wanting to love Quake Live. I feel it. But it just makes me angry.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:18 AM on May 11, 2012
I'll do a post on Quake 3 frag videos later, there are some really great ones out there
There are some amazing ones, definitely. High machinima art, for back in the day; pure deathmatch porn for us old school rocketjumpers.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:40 AM on May 11, 2012
There are some amazing ones, definitely. High machinima art, for back in the day; pure deathmatch porn for us old school rocketjumpers.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:40 AM on May 11, 2012
From a cursory glance, it looks like more people play OpenArena than Unreal Tournament 3. That's kinda sad, especially considering that UT3 is (in my opinion) a great game.
posted by archagon at 12:52 AM on May 11, 2012
posted by archagon at 12:52 AM on May 11, 2012
Very impressive, but I kept being distracted by the guy whispering "Ryan" every time he jumped.
posted by brokkr at 1:14 AM on May 11, 2012
posted by brokkr at 1:14 AM on May 11, 2012
The usual advice for warsow "tutorials" is to spectate, and type cg_showpressedkeys into the console. That will let you see exactly what someone who knows better is doing at a given place and millisecond.
posted by LogicalDash at 4:51 AM on May 11, 2012
posted by LogicalDash at 4:51 AM on May 11, 2012
Well, no, it is not free in any way that matters to people who've been playing the game for more than a decade. Don't get me started again on the shitty cynical cashgrab that is Quake Live (see Exhibit 3).
I still love Quake 3 and RA3 with all my heart, and so disappointed what has been done with the legacy.
I do understand wanting to love Quake Live. I feel it. But it just makes me angry.
I'm not sure what your issue with Quake Live is. It is a much better game than Vanilla Quake 3 - it's better balanced, it has better netcode, UI, settings and playing on smaller servers (with some idea of server skill level) is a much better Quake experience than what Quake 3 used to be.
I do miss custom maps, but I don't think mods are a big deal. The main mods people played were OSP, RA3 and CPMA. OSP and RA3 aren't really needed in Quake Live since it has most of their features. I do miss CPMA and Defrag, obviously, but I don't think it's a big deal.
I also don't see how it's a "cynical cashgrab" considering the subscription is something like 25$ a year and it doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I'm not actually sure how it could be cynical anyway, since no one was playing Quake 3 in 2009, and it's such a niche game
The article doesn't seem to understand that id makes very little money from the game and developing, hosting the website and servers and supporting the game is expensive. Of course I would have preferred if they released Quake Live as a standalone game on Steam for 15$ or whatever, but experience shows that these kinds of games lose their playerbase extremely quickly if they're not free to play
posted by Cloud King at 6:25 AM on May 11, 2012
I still love Quake 3 and RA3 with all my heart, and so disappointed what has been done with the legacy.
I do understand wanting to love Quake Live. I feel it. But it just makes me angry.
I'm not sure what your issue with Quake Live is. It is a much better game than Vanilla Quake 3 - it's better balanced, it has better netcode, UI, settings and playing on smaller servers (with some idea of server skill level) is a much better Quake experience than what Quake 3 used to be.
I do miss custom maps, but I don't think mods are a big deal. The main mods people played were OSP, RA3 and CPMA. OSP and RA3 aren't really needed in Quake Live since it has most of their features. I do miss CPMA and Defrag, obviously, but I don't think it's a big deal.
I also don't see how it's a "cynical cashgrab" considering the subscription is something like 25$ a year and it doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I'm not actually sure how it could be cynical anyway, since no one was playing Quake 3 in 2009, and it's such a niche game
The article doesn't seem to understand that id makes very little money from the game and developing, hosting the website and servers and supporting the game is expensive. Of course I would have preferred if they released Quake Live as a standalone game on Steam for 15$ or whatever, but experience shows that these kinds of games lose their playerbase extremely quickly if they're not free to play
posted by Cloud King at 6:25 AM on May 11, 2012
'The article' is a rant that I wrote, which, you know, is why I linked to it. I think there were a couple of others on FGEC where I spent way too much time and energy being volubly disappointed, but I AM AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BUSINESSMAN WITH NO TIME TO WASTE, so: google that crap or something for the whole argument, if you feel inclined, I guess.
Regardless: Zenimax-subsidiary id can suck my salty dank downbelows. And again, for emphasis: fuck Quake Live.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:54 AM on May 11, 2012 [1 favorite]
Regardless: Zenimax-subsidiary id can suck my salty dank downbelows. And again, for emphasis: fuck Quake Live.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:54 AM on May 11, 2012 [1 favorite]
It was an awfully long rant to say that they don't give people enough maps for free. Anyway, they absolutely did have adds up on those in game billboard surfaces. For all of two weeks or so, I think.
Most of the commercials they play before launching a game are targeted at women. Obviously there aren't that many women playing, so they must be scrapping the bottom of the barrel for any revenue they can find. I'll take that as proof that ad support isn't going to work..
posted by Chuckles at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2012
Most of the commercials they play before launching a game are targeted at women. Obviously there aren't that many women playing, so they must be scrapping the bottom of the barrel for any revenue they can find. I'll take that as proof that ad support isn't going to work..
posted by Chuckles at 6:07 PM on May 11, 2012
It was an awfully long rant to say that they don't give people enough maps for free
Yeah, that was totally my point, well spotted. You sure schooled me there, man.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:31 PM on May 11, 2012
Yeah, that was totally my point, well spotted. You sure schooled me there, man.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:31 PM on May 11, 2012
It wasn't until the final sequence of f33l that I noticed how much skill goes into this.
posted by quoquo at 5:34 PM on May 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by quoquo at 5:34 PM on May 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
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