Armstrong to, uh, come clean?
January 5, 2013 6:40 AM Subscribe
The New York Times reports that Lance Armstrong may admit to doping throughout his cycling career.
After denying increasingly well-sourced doping allegations for years and years, and after being banned for life and stripped of competitive results (including a record setting 7 consecutive Tour De France victories), Lance Armstrong is considering a doping admission so that he could, at some point, return to sport competition. [Previously, previously, etc]
After denying increasingly well-sourced doping allegations for years and years, and after being banned for life and stripped of competitive results (including a record setting 7 consecutive Tour De France victories), Lance Armstrong is considering a doping admission so that he could, at some point, return to sport competition. [Previously, previously, etc]
This post was deleted for the following reason: Right now this is speculative "some say he may confess" with all sources officially giving no comment; let's wait until there is actual news. -- LobsterMitten
Betsy Andreu's take:
“This guy is like a Mafia don,” she added. “Will he apologize to all the people who wouldn’t lie for him? Will he compensate people for costing them jobs and businesses? How do you put a price on lost opportunities?”
posted by entropone at 6:50 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
“This guy is like a Mafia don,” she added. “Will he apologize to all the people who wouldn’t lie for him? Will he compensate people for costing them jobs and businesses? How do you put a price on lost opportunities?”
posted by entropone at 6:50 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
Lance Armstrong is considering a doping admission so that he could, at some point, return to sport competition
that would be well received among his future competitors.
posted by percor at 6:50 AM on January 5, 2013
that would be well received among his future competitors.
posted by percor at 6:50 AM on January 5, 2013
Dumb.
Stupid.
Crazy.
Dangerous.
Stinks.
In one word, would I use dope....nope. There's no hope with dope!
posted by Fizz at 6:51 AM on January 5, 2013
Stupid.
Crazy.
Dangerous.
Stinks.
In one word, would I use dope....nope. There's no hope with dope!
posted by Fizz at 6:51 AM on January 5, 2013
As the article notes, that's hugely risky for him to admit. Though the federal whistleblower suit would be hugely risky if he doesn't admit it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Which is sort of the same position he put many of his teammates in with respect to doping.
I guess he knows the feeling now.
posted by OHSnap at 6:52 AM on January 5, 2013
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Which is sort of the same position he put many of his teammates in with respect to doping.
I guess he knows the feeling now.
posted by OHSnap at 6:52 AM on January 5, 2013
He has obviously stopped doping now because otherwise this would have come way sooner.
posted by srboisvert at 6:52 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by srboisvert at 6:52 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
Or is it everybody loses?
Everyone else is pressured to make a settlement that doesn't result in the bankruptcy and imprisonment of Armstrong. If they agree, Lance sorta kinda wins. Certainly he wins compared to what will occur if he doesn't settle, especially given that the Postal Service case will probably require him to testify on the issues raised by the USADA doping findings.
It's going to be hard to avoid perjury if he does so having previously given testimony that no doping went on ever. He just doesn't have many good options right now save for settlement.
posted by jaduncan at 6:52 AM on January 5, 2013
Everyone else is pressured to make a settlement that doesn't result in the bankruptcy and imprisonment of Armstrong. If they agree, Lance sorta kinda wins. Certainly he wins compared to what will occur if he doesn't settle, especially given that the Postal Service case will probably require him to testify on the issues raised by the USADA doping findings.
It's going to be hard to avoid perjury if he does so having previously given testimony that no doping went on ever. He just doesn't have many good options right now save for settlement.
posted by jaduncan at 6:52 AM on January 5, 2013
Maybe he just needs money, and wants to compete for the prizes.
Which is silly, for as we all know, dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.
posted by delfin at 6:53 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
Which is silly, for as we all know, dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.
posted by delfin at 6:53 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
Great quote from that article:
“If people give this guy another chance,” Andreu said, “then people are dumb.”
Yep, pretty much.
posted by percor at 6:54 AM on January 5, 2013
“If people give this guy another chance,” Andreu said, “then people are dumb.”
Yep, pretty much.
posted by percor at 6:54 AM on January 5, 2013
“This guy is like a Mafia don,” she added. “Will he apologize to all the people who wouldn’t lie for him? Will he compensate people for costing them jobs and businesses? How do you put a price on lost opportunities?”
You apply the legal doctrine of loss of chance where that is applicable. Again, Lance had better hope that does not happen.
posted by jaduncan at 6:55 AM on January 5, 2013
You apply the legal doctrine of loss of chance where that is applicable. Again, Lance had better hope that does not happen.
posted by jaduncan at 6:55 AM on January 5, 2013
This article is frankly baseless speculation. How about waiting to see if he does admit to anything and then report it? The Grey Old Lady is trying to TMZ herself and it ain't pretty.
posted by Renoroc at 6:58 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Renoroc at 6:58 AM on January 5, 2013 [1 favorite]
So it's not just the criminal justice system that cuts informers a deal? The sporting authorities also likes to cultivate team spirit by rewarding people who snitch on their teammates?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 6:59 AM on January 5, 2013
posted by PeterMcDermott at 6:59 AM on January 5, 2013
But the nation has to promise not to get mad.
posted by brevator at 7:01 AM on January 5, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by brevator at 7:01 AM on January 5, 2013 [2 favorites]
The sporting authorities also likes to cultivate team spirit by rewarding people who snitch on their teammates?
Well, except in the case of rape, domestic assault, and that sort of thing. There is team spirit to consider.
posted by GenjiandProust at 7:02 AM on January 5, 2013
Well, except in the case of rape, domestic assault, and that sort of thing. There is team spirit to consider.
posted by GenjiandProust at 7:02 AM on January 5, 2013
Why do you think they call it Lance?
White punks on Lance!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:09 AM on January 5, 2013
White punks on Lance!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:09 AM on January 5, 2013
What Renoroc said. This article is useless.
I may admit to having peanut butter on my balls (which may be gang- or drug- related)... but until I do--you're saying that I will because you read it in article in the NYT or on the blue is silly, no matter how many models, mafioso, gang-bangers, or tweakers insist it's true.
posted by dobbs at 7:10 AM on January 5, 2013
I may admit to having peanut butter on my balls (which may be gang- or drug- related)... but until I do--you're saying that I will because you read it in article in the NYT or on the blue is silly, no matter how many models, mafioso, gang-bangers, or tweakers insist it's true.
posted by dobbs at 7:10 AM on January 5, 2013
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