Showdown of the Original Songs
July 18, 2013 11:10 AM Subscribe
The term EGOT, popularized by 30 Rock, refers to winning an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony award. Only eleven people have done it. Composer Alan Menken, just nominated for an Emmy, could become the 12th. 30 Rock, oddly enough, happens to be nominated in the same category.
Menken has won 8 Oscars but this is his first Emmy nomination, for a song from The Neighbours (that I can't find on youtube). 30 Rock is up for The Rural Juror. Other songs in the category are from Smash (I Heard Your Voice in a Dream and Hang the Moon), Nashville (Nothing In This World Will Ever Break My Heart Again) and the 2012 Tonys (If I Had Time).
Complete list of Emmy nominations here [PDF].
Menken has won 8 Oscars but this is his first Emmy nomination, for a song from The Neighbours (that I can't find on youtube). 30 Rock is up for The Rural Juror. Other songs in the category are from Smash (I Heard Your Voice in a Dream and Hang the Moon), Nashville (Nothing In This World Will Ever Break My Heart Again) and the 2012 Tonys (If I Had Time).
Complete list of Emmy nominations here [PDF].
oh, how can you not give it to The Rural Juror?
posted by MoxieProxy at 11:22 AM on July 18, 2013 [7 favorites]
posted by MoxieProxy at 11:22 AM on July 18, 2013 [7 favorites]
One on hand, I love to see people do things like run the gambit with EGOTs, Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, etc.
On the other hand, "Rural Juror" winning would be, maybe, the best tribute to 30 Rock there could be.
On a third cloned hand coming out of my abdomen, Tatiana Mansly was robbed so I'm boycotting the Emmys this year.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:24 AM on July 18, 2013 [7 favorites]
On the other hand, "Rural Juror" winning would be, maybe, the best tribute to 30 Rock there could be.
On a third cloned hand coming out of my abdomen, Tatiana Mansly was robbed so I'm boycotting the Emmys this year.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:24 AM on July 18, 2013 [7 favorites]
MCMikeNamara: "One on hand, I love to see people do things like run the gambit with EGOTs, Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, etc."
in 2093, Charley's Sauntering Mister will be the first horse to win a TCEGOT.
posted by boo_radley at 11:28 AM on July 18, 2013 [6 favorites]
in 2093, Charley's Sauntering Mister will be the first horse to win a TCEGOT.
posted by boo_radley at 11:28 AM on July 18, 2013 [6 favorites]
Yep, Bob's Burgers gets overlooked in the Original Music and Lyrics category once again.
(an AVClub series on shows that should be nominated)
posted by muddgirl at 11:29 AM on July 18, 2013 [9 favorites]
(an AVClub series on shows that should be nominated)
posted by muddgirl at 11:29 AM on July 18, 2013 [9 favorites]
This got me wondering if there was a porn award. Apparently there is, and somehow it lacks a nickname like the Oscar or Tony or Emmy. I suppose "the Jack" would be too obvious?
posted by George_Spiggott at 11:31 AM on July 18, 2013
posted by George_Spiggott at 11:31 AM on July 18, 2013
Al Gore needs to get on Broadway as he's already won the NEGOW - Nobel, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Webby.
posted by plastic_animals at 11:31 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by plastic_animals at 11:31 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
Marvin Hamlisch and Richard Rodgers have EGOTed with a Pulitzer Prize (PEGOT).
posted by koavf at 11:33 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by koavf at 11:33 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Until there's another Emmy topic, I guess I'll just have to complain here that Tatiana Maslany wasn't nominated for Orphan Black. For crying out loud, she plays like six of the most interesting characters on tv this year.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:35 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:35 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
I wonder if there are explicit criteria for judging a category like "best song." I mean, is it "made the greatest overall contribution to the episode it appeared in" or is it simply "was an excellent song that happened to have been composed for a TV episode." Because those are very, very different questions to ask yourself about a song. "Rural Juror" is hilarious in context, but I doubt anyone dials it up on their iPod. "Rural Juror" is also (deliberately) musically trite; the wit is in the wordplay (and the delivery).
posted by yoink at 11:35 AM on July 18, 2013
posted by yoink at 11:35 AM on July 18, 2013
Tatiana Maslany
Man, not nominating TM for an emmy is like the greatest publicity coup for Orphan Black imaginable. Somehow I'd totally missed hearing about that show until the emmy nominations came out. It probably still wouldn't be on my radar if she had been nominated, but all the howls of outrage have really piqued my interest.
posted by yoink at 11:37 AM on July 18, 2013 [4 favorites]
Man, not nominating TM for an emmy is like the greatest publicity coup for Orphan Black imaginable. Somehow I'd totally missed hearing about that show until the emmy nominations came out. It probably still wouldn't be on my radar if she had been nominated, but all the howls of outrage have really piqued my interest.
posted by yoink at 11:37 AM on July 18, 2013 [4 favorites]
MCMikeNamara: On a third cloned hand coming out of my abdomen, Tatiana Mansly was robbed so I'm boycotting the Emmys this year.
I'm not yet quite cynical enough to say something like "This one snub proves that the Emmys are bullshit" because I don't know how the voting works, I have no idea what kinds of politics are involved behind the scenes in how nominations happen, and I haven't actually seen probably 80% of all of the nominated shows...But good crap is she good on Orphan Black. Good crap almighty.
posted by doctornecessiter at 11:37 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
I'm not yet quite cynical enough to say something like "This one snub proves that the Emmys are bullshit" because I don't know how the voting works, I have no idea what kinds of politics are involved behind the scenes in how nominations happen, and I haven't actually seen probably 80% of all of the nominated shows...But good crap is she good on Orphan Black. Good crap almighty.
posted by doctornecessiter at 11:37 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
muddgirl: "Yep, Bob's Burgers gets overlooked in the Original Music and Lyrics category once again."
For Loren Bouchard, television shows are merely a means to write oddball little jingles (see Lucy, Daughter of the Devil as well).
posted by boo_radley at 11:37 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
For Loren Bouchard, television shows are merely a means to write oddball little jingles (see Lucy, Daughter of the Devil as well).
posted by boo_radley at 11:37 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
Yep, Bob's Burgers gets overlooked in the Original Music and Lyrics category once again.
Criminal. There is no line better than, "They'll say 'Aww, Topsy' at my autopsy." None.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:39 AM on July 18, 2013 [5 favorites]
Criminal. There is no line better than, "They'll say 'Aww, Topsy' at my autopsy." None.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:39 AM on July 18, 2013 [5 favorites]
wait, whoa, Cyndi Lauper herself sang Taffy Butt? Wow.
posted by boo_radley at 11:39 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by boo_radley at 11:39 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
MCMike beat me to it on Tatiana Maslany, but that's cool, because it bears repeating again and again: she's fantastic.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:40 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:40 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Also: Kerry Washington's nomination for Scandal makes her the first black woman nominated for Lead Actress in a Drama Series in eighteen years. The last was Cicely Tyson in 1995 for Sweet Justice.
posted by troika at 11:41 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by troika at 11:41 AM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
Hannibal was robbed and I am upset.
posted by elizardbits at 11:43 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 11:43 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
I'm upset that plastic_animals missed the chance to arrange it as WGONE.
posted by softlord at 11:46 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by softlord at 11:46 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Yep, Bob's Burgers gets overlooked in the Original Music and Lyrics category once again.
I'm not afraid of ghosts, I'm not afraid of sharks, I'm not afraid of cancer, I'm just afraid of snakes, they really creep me out, where are their arms and legs? It's not OK!
This is a common song in the filthy light thief household. We had to re-watch the credits a few times, until we found the clip on YouTube.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:47 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
I'm not afraid of ghosts, I'm not afraid of sharks, I'm not afraid of cancer, I'm just afraid of snakes, they really creep me out, where are their arms and legs? It's not OK!
This is a common song in the filthy light thief household. We had to re-watch the credits a few times, until we found the clip on YouTube.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:47 AM on July 18, 2013 [3 favorites]
elizardbits: "Hannibal was robbed and I am upset."
I'm just glad it was renewed. Bryan Fuller doesn't have the best track record with that. Although from what I read, Hannibal pre-sold to so many foreign territories at such a high rate that it may have made money for the production company before they even got a check from NBC. So presumably, it would have continued somewhere.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:48 AM on July 18, 2013
I'm just glad it was renewed. Bryan Fuller doesn't have the best track record with that. Although from what I read, Hannibal pre-sold to so many foreign territories at such a high rate that it may have made money for the production company before they even got a check from NBC. So presumably, it would have continued somewhere.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:48 AM on July 18, 2013
I no longer allow myself to watch Bryan Fuller shows. I HAVE BEEN HURT TOO MANY TIMES.
posted by elsietheeel at 11:54 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by elsietheeel at 11:54 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Bob's Burgers is my favorite show but man, sometimes I think the musical bits happen too often. But they're definitely catchy. Which is why I've got Electric Love stuck in my head for the fifth time in a week. Thanks for NOTHIN' Sys Rq.
posted by elsietheeel at 11:57 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by elsietheeel at 11:57 AM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
I can't really watch cartoons because the high-pitched voices and sound effects make me pukey, but I caught the last half of a Bob's Burgers episode the other day and I think it's probably totally worth the headache.
posted by elizardbits at 12:00 PM on July 18, 2013
posted by elizardbits at 12:00 PM on July 18, 2013
Al Gore needs to get on Broadway as he's already won the NEGOW - Nobel, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Webby.
IIITT'S...
AAANN...
INCONVENIENT -
(IF WE'RE BEING LENIENT) -
NOT SO CONVENIENT TRUUUUTH!
THE ICE IS TURNING
TO WATER AND SLUDGE!
THE COAL KEEPS BURNING
THE AIR INTO SMUDGE!
THE FUTURE'S CHURNING
BUT HOW WILL OUR KIDS JUDGE UUUSSSS?
GREEDY!
POLLUTERS!
SCAVENGERS!
LOOTERS!
MURDERERS!
SHOOTERS!
HOW COULD WE BE SO UNCOOOOUUTH?
THAT'S THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH!
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:02 PM on July 18, 2013 [23 favorites]
IIITT'S...
AAANN...
INCONVENIENT -
(IF WE'RE BEING LENIENT) -
NOT SO CONVENIENT TRUUUUTH!
THE ICE IS TURNING
TO WATER AND SLUDGE!
THE COAL KEEPS BURNING
THE AIR INTO SMUDGE!
THE FUTURE'S CHURNING
BUT HOW WILL OUR KIDS JUDGE UUUSSSS?
GREEDY!
POLLUTERS!
SCAVENGERS!
LOOTERS!
MURDERERS!
SHOOTERS!
HOW COULD WE BE SO UNCOOOOUUTH?
THAT'S THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH!
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:02 PM on July 18, 2013 [23 favorites]
It really really really is worth the headache. Really. Yeah there are fart jokes, but they're SMART fart jokes. Smfart jokes, if you will.
posted by elsietheeel at 12:02 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by elsietheeel at 12:02 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Why not!?
posted by elsietheeel at 12:03 PM on July 18, 2013
posted by elsietheeel at 12:03 PM on July 18, 2013
elizardbits: "I can't really watch cartoons because the high-pitched voices and sound effects make me pukey, but I caught the last half of a Bob's Burgers episode the other day and I think it's probably totally worth the headache."
In this way and probably only this way, Bob's Burger is like seeing Pacific Rim in IMAX 3D.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:06 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
In this way and probably only this way, Bob's Burger is like seeing Pacific Rim in IMAX 3D.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:06 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
An Inconvenient Truth won Best Documentary, but Davis Guggenheim directed so the Oscar is officially to his credit, not Al's.
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:15 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:15 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
If they can't nominate Bob's Burgers for "Electric Love," they could have at least done it for "Thanksgiving Song" or "Bad Girls".
posted by drezdn at 12:17 PM on July 18, 2013
posted by drezdn at 12:17 PM on July 18, 2013
"They say Thomas Edison
He's the man to get-i-son
For the century!
And that man is me!"
Electric Love should win for Best Song. Tatiana Maslany should win for Best Leading Actress, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Supporting Actress. Probably also Best Guest Actress if there's a category for that as well.
posted by Rory Marinich at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
He's the man to get-i-son
For the century!
And that man is me!"
Electric Love should win for Best Song. Tatiana Maslany should win for Best Leading Actress, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Supporting Actress. Probably also Best Guest Actress if there's a category for that as well.
posted by Rory Marinich at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
I know that The Vampire Diaries:Metafilter::Orphan Black:The Mainstream, but damnit Nina Dobrev was doing the play multiple characters and be awesome at it thing years ago!
posted by kmz at 12:26 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by kmz at 12:26 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Why have I never heard of Orphan Black?
"Orphan Black is a Canadian science fiction..." Oh.
posted by psoas at 12:33 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
"Orphan Black is a Canadian science fiction..." Oh.
posted by psoas at 12:33 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Tatiana Maslany should win for Best Leading Actress, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Supporting Actress.
Hmmm. That raises an interesting question. Actors are nominated for specific roles, no? Presumably that means you could, in fact, be nominated separately for two (or more) roles in the same show. But might that be part of why Tatiana Maslany didn't get nominated? That she essentially split her vote?
posted by yoink at 12:34 PM on July 18, 2013
Hmmm. That raises an interesting question. Actors are nominated for specific roles, no? Presumably that means you could, in fact, be nominated separately for two (or more) roles in the same show. But might that be part of why Tatiana Maslany didn't get nominated? That she essentially split her vote?
posted by yoink at 12:34 PM on July 18, 2013
An Inconvenient Truth won Best Documentary, but Davis Guggenheim directed so the Oscar is officially to his credit, not Al's.
Surprisingly, Gore isn't even one of the 12 billed producers (including executive producers, line producers, etc.). He only has a writing credit.
And to get back on topic: Three of the top 12 shows (drama or comedy) are network (unless you count PBS). Three. All of them in the comedy category. Miniseries or movie: zero network. The best Outstanding Series category for the networks was reality shows, where each of the Big Four got a single nomination.
Netflix has more lead-actor (male and female) nominations than ABC. Every nomination for Best Lead Male Actor in a Miniseries or Movie was from HBO. Network television isn't even dead, because dead people can win Emmys.
posted by Etrigan at 12:36 PM on July 18, 2013 [10 favorites]
Surprisingly, Gore isn't even one of the 12 billed producers (including executive producers, line producers, etc.). He only has a writing credit.
And to get back on topic: Three of the top 12 shows (drama or comedy) are network (unless you count PBS). Three. All of them in the comedy category. Miniseries or movie: zero network. The best Outstanding Series category for the networks was reality shows, where each of the Big Four got a single nomination.
Netflix has more lead-actor (male and female) nominations than ABC. Every nomination for Best Lead Male Actor in a Miniseries or Movie was from HBO. Network television isn't even dead, because dead people can win Emmys.
posted by Etrigan at 12:36 PM on July 18, 2013 [10 favorites]
But might that be part of why Tatiana Maslany didn't get nominated? That she essentially split her vote?
Actors submit themselves for consideration, so presumably, TM submitted herself for Outstanding Lead Actress.
Considering how outstanding her work was, and with people like Tim Goodman at THR and Michael Ausiello at TVLine being so, so vocal in their support for her, I really thought she had a shot at a nomination.
posted by MoxieProxy at 12:45 PM on July 18, 2013
Actors submit themselves for consideration, so presumably, TM submitted herself for Outstanding Lead Actress.
Considering how outstanding her work was, and with people like Tim Goodman at THR and Michael Ausiello at TVLine being so, so vocal in their support for her, I really thought she had a shot at a nomination.
posted by MoxieProxy at 12:45 PM on July 18, 2013
Etrigan: "Network television isn't even dead, because dead people can win Emmys"
I'm sorry, I don't really have anything to add, but that is just a fantastic line that needs to be highlighted on its own.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:49 PM on July 18, 2013
I'm sorry, I don't really have anything to add, but that is just a fantastic line that needs to be highlighted on its own.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:49 PM on July 18, 2013
so presumably, TM submitted herself for Outstanding Lead Actress
And when you play multiple roles do you submit yourself for "Outstanding Lead Actress in the Roles of..." or do you pick one of the roles you play or what?
posted by yoink at 12:55 PM on July 18, 2013
And when you play multiple roles do you submit yourself for "Outstanding Lead Actress in the Roles of..." or do you pick one of the roles you play or what?
posted by yoink at 12:55 PM on July 18, 2013
But might that be part of why Tatiana Maslany didn't get nominated? That she essentially split her vote?
There's a good description of the process here, but no one voted for "Tatiana Maslany as Sarah Manning" or "Tatiana Maslany as Cosima Niehaus." She might have been able to pull off separate nominations for Lead and Supporting in her various personae, but the Academy would likely have stepped on that early in the process, if unofficially.
More likely, what happened is that she's on a sci-fi show seen by less than half a million people in the U.S. -- note that no other Lead Actor nominations went to genre shows, unless you count American Horror Story and Bates Motel.
posted by Etrigan at 1:21 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
There's a good description of the process here, but no one voted for "Tatiana Maslany as Sarah Manning" or "Tatiana Maslany as Cosima Niehaus." She might have been able to pull off separate nominations for Lead and Supporting in her various personae, but the Academy would likely have stepped on that early in the process, if unofficially.
More likely, what happened is that she's on a sci-fi show seen by less than half a million people in the U.S. -- note that no other Lead Actor nominations went to genre shows, unless you count American Horror Story and Bates Motel.
posted by Etrigan at 1:21 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
"They say Thomas Edison
He's the man to get-i-son
For the century!
And that man is me!"
I don't want to be that guy I am totally that guy but it's just too great a rhyme to let that transcript go uncorrected.
They say Thomas Edison,
He's the man to get us in-
To this century
posted by Sys Rq at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
He's the man to get-i-son
For the century!
And that man is me!"
I don't want to be that guy I am totally that guy but it's just too great a rhyme to let that transcript go uncorrected.
They say Thomas Edison,
He's the man to get us in-
To this century
posted by Sys Rq at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
(Incidentally, Electric Love was performed by Kevin Kline and Megan Mullally, who, combined, are just a Grammy short of an EGOT. Just sayin'.)
posted by Sys Rq at 1:55 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by Sys Rq at 1:55 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
If Whoopi Goldberg had won either of the two Razzies she's been nominated for, that would have given her an even rarer REGOT.
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:05 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:05 PM on July 18, 2013 [2 favorites]
If Whoopi Goldberg had won either of the two Razzies she's been nominated for, that would have given her an even rarer REGOT.
Why not ERGOT?
posted by elsietheeel at 2:25 PM on July 18, 2013 [8 favorites]
Why not ERGOT?
posted by elsietheeel at 2:25 PM on July 18, 2013 [8 favorites]
I find it amazing that in this day and age I can't hear the Menken song (which has a title ("More Or Less The Kind Of Thing You May Or May Not Possibly See") that almost rivals "And As It Is Such, So Also As Such Is It Unto You.")
posted by mrgrimm at 3:05 PM on July 18, 2013
posted by mrgrimm at 3:05 PM on July 18, 2013
I wonder if there are explicit criteria for judging a category like "best song."
It doesn't look like they bother defining what is best, but this category is "Outstanding Original Music & Lyrics", and the songs have to have clearly audible and intelligible lyrics. So I think they weigh lyrics pretty heavily.
posted by smackfu at 3:27 PM on July 18, 2013
It doesn't look like they bother defining what is best, but this category is "Outstanding Original Music & Lyrics", and the songs have to have clearly audible and intelligible lyrics. So I think they weigh lyrics pretty heavily.
posted by smackfu at 3:27 PM on July 18, 2013
Orphan Black's Emmy Snub May Be the Best Publicity Orphan Black Has Ever Received
Worked on me. I wouldn't have looked it up if not for the complaining about the snub here.
posted by morganw at 4:37 PM on July 18, 2013
Worked on me. I wouldn't have looked it up if not for the complaining about the snub here.
posted by morganw at 4:37 PM on July 18, 2013
"I'm upset that plastic_animals missed the chance to arrange it as WGONE."
Add an Obie and make it WObEGON.
posted by mbrubeck at 5:28 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
Add an Obie and make it WObEGON.
posted by mbrubeck at 5:28 PM on July 18, 2013 [1 favorite]
MCMikeNamara: "One on hand, I love to see people do things like run the gambit with EGOTs, Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, etc.
On the other hand, "Rural Juror" winning would be, maybe, the best tribute to 30 Rock there could be.
On a third cloned hand coming out of my abdomen, Tatiana Mansly was robbed so I'm boycotting the Emmys this year."
Calling geek weak sauce!
On one hand, on the other hand, on the gripping hand.
Your card, sir?
(Always wanted to do the epaulet tear!)
posted by Samizdata at 8:43 PM on July 18, 2013
On the other hand, "Rural Juror" winning would be, maybe, the best tribute to 30 Rock there could be.
On a third cloned hand coming out of my abdomen, Tatiana Mansly was robbed so I'm boycotting the Emmys this year."
Calling geek weak sauce!
On one hand, on the other hand, on the gripping hand.
Your card, sir?
(Always wanted to do the epaulet tear!)
posted by Samizdata at 8:43 PM on July 18, 2013
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