My phone is a rock with “Solitude” carved on it
April 7, 2015 8:40 AM Subscribe
My worst nightmare is climbing on board a bus and it is full of friends, but when I try to leave I discover the bus is now a boat and we are on a three-week cruise.
this can be the backup worst nightmare to my actual worst nightmare when the cruise bus is full of shrieking babies.
posted by poffin boffin at 8:47 AM on April 7, 2015 [12 favorites]
this can be the backup worst nightmare to my actual worst nightmare when the cruise bus is full of shrieking babies.
posted by poffin boffin at 8:47 AM on April 7, 2015 [12 favorites]
I'm not like those other girls. Those wretched, blonde, popular, athletic girls. I drink TEA. I drink tea out of quirkily oversized mugs and I have BROWN hair. I'm not a POSER.
I may be depressed and basically friendless but at least I KNOW I'm depressed and basically friendless. Those people are also depressed by their empty, meaningless lives but they're too dumb to know it so I'm basically happier than they are. Also their friends don't like them either.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 8:48 AM on April 7, 2015 [12 favorites]
I may be depressed and basically friendless but at least I KNOW I'm depressed and basically friendless. Those people are also depressed by their empty, meaningless lives but they're too dumb to know it so I'm basically happier than they are. Also their friends don't like them either.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 8:48 AM on April 7, 2015 [12 favorites]
You Are A Wretched Party Person
There is nothing worthwhile about you, you big friend-having person. You love nothing more than ruining life for introverts by saying hello and trying to make plans. It’s doubtful you’ve written more than one incredible novel.
Damn you know me so well clickhole.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:49 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
There is nothing worthwhile about you, you big friend-having person. You love nothing more than ruining life for introverts by saying hello and trying to make plans. It’s doubtful you’ve written more than one incredible novel.
Damn you know me so well clickhole.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:49 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I used to think I was an introvert but it turns out I was surrounded by assholes.
posted by The Whelk at 8:52 AM on April 7, 2015 [59 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 8:52 AM on April 7, 2015 [59 favorites]
I apologize for coming to your house and killing everyone. I’m an INTJ!
It's funny 'cos it's true! Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, and Michael Corleone were all INTJ's?
posted by Doktor Zed at 8:52 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
It's funny 'cos it's true! Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, and Michael Corleone were all INTJ's?
posted by Doktor Zed at 8:52 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
At parties, I spend most of the time covering my eyes with the Introvert Shawl.
Um, ok, so I have definitely pulled a scarf up over my face and gone to sleep in the middle of a party before.
posted by phunniemee at 8:56 AM on April 7, 2015 [5 favorites]
Um, ok, so I have definitely pulled a scarf up over my face and gone to sleep in the middle of a party before.
posted by phunniemee at 8:56 AM on April 7, 2015 [5 favorites]
marry ayn rand, fuck michael corleone, kill friedrich nietzsche
posted by a manly man person who is male and masculine at 8:56 AM on April 7, 2015 [26 favorites]
posted by a manly man person who is male and masculine at 8:56 AM on April 7, 2015 [26 favorites]
I cracked an egg onto my Meyers Briggs shrine so that I could ace this test and thereby confirm my one true type.
posted by codacorolla at 8:56 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by codacorolla at 8:56 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Joking aside, I really appreciate these because I've definitely noticed an uptick in the fetishization of introversion and it irks me. There's a sense I've gotten, both on-line and off, that people assume that being an introvert automatically means that you are deep and interesting and creative and have untapped pools of wisdom and insight. Not to be a dick but I've known a ton of introverts and yeah lots of them are great and interesting and some of them turn out to be dull and boring. Being an introvert is not proof that you are better than extroverts just because you like to be alone. I hate that introversion/extroversion has become a weird moral thing/shibboleth instead of just a way for people to identify what makes them happy.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 8:58 AM on April 7, 2015 [77 favorites]
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 8:58 AM on April 7, 2015 [77 favorites]
Definitely don't fuck Friedrich Nietzsche.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:58 AM on April 7, 2015 [11 favorites]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:58 AM on April 7, 2015 [11 favorites]
Tea has become your friend. That makes you a party girl. Stop drinking it now, you poser.
posted by bswinburn at 9:02 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by bswinburn at 9:02 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yeah, Mrs.Pterodactyl, it kind of drives me nuts sometimes. Especially when people go "ah, introvert means shy and quiet and that you must be coaxed out of your dark cave of hibernation to interact like a baby deer" on these online discussions of introversion. Uh, no, I just get worn out when I socialize too much--doesn't mean I can't be loud and socially assertive and aggressively friendly when I want to. And I enjoy it, when I have the energy!
Also, I totally spent last weekend ambling around at a con with a rather shy extrovert encouraging her to go out and talk to all the cool nerd people, and then wandered home and collapsed. It was actually pretty awesome.
posted by sciatrix at 9:03 AM on April 7, 2015 [16 favorites]
Also, I totally spent last weekend ambling around at a con with a rather shy extrovert encouraging her to go out and talk to all the cool nerd people, and then wandered home and collapsed. It was actually pretty awesome.
posted by sciatrix at 9:03 AM on April 7, 2015 [16 favorites]
Definitely don't fuck Friedrich Nietzsche.
The post-coital philosophizing could only be way awkward.
posted by octobersurprise at 9:05 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
The post-coital philosophizing could only be way awkward.
posted by octobersurprise at 9:05 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I've definitely noticed an uptick in the fetishization of introversion and it irks me.
I used to be into introversion, too, and then it got super popular and now I'm more into avoidant attachment models.
posted by octobersurprise at 9:11 AM on April 7, 2015 [48 favorites]
I used to be into introversion, too, and then it got super popular and now I'm more into avoidant attachment models.
posted by octobersurprise at 9:11 AM on April 7, 2015 [48 favorites]
The post-coital philosophizing could only be way awkward.
Also, there's the "rhymes-with-schmyphilis."
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 9:14 AM on April 7, 2015 [9 favorites]
Also, there's the "rhymes-with-schmyphilis."
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 9:14 AM on April 7, 2015 [9 favorites]
I hate that introversion/extroversion has become a weird moral thing/shibboleth instead of just a way for people to identify what makes them happy.
I hate that there has somehow become a LINE between the two, rather than a vast grey middle ground. Ever seen the World's Loudest Extrovert when he's in a down mood? He really would murder all your friends ... quietly.
posted by philip-random at 9:15 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I hate that there has somehow become a LINE between the two, rather than a vast grey middle ground. Ever seen the World's Loudest Extrovert when he's in a down mood? He really would murder all your friends ... quietly.
posted by philip-random at 9:15 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
There's a difference between being and introvert and being indiscriminate and irresponsible about who you hang out with that I think gets lost on people sometimes these days. Me, I don't consider myself an introvert, though I do sometimes retreat into my shell when harassed, but I also don't feel the need to belong to a big social group with a group identity and all the group identity policing that goes along with it.
posted by saulgoodman at 9:17 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by saulgoodman at 9:17 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Yep, it's about time this type of satire came along to skewer all the "17 ways that all introverts are exactly alike" clickbait articles. (OK, not actually called that, usually something more like "17 ways to care for your introvert," but that's how they come across.) I get particularly annoyed at the "introverts don't like crowds" one that always pops up, as an introvert who loves being in crowds. I may tend not to interact with people in the crowd, but I find the whole experience of being in a crowd — as long as it's not an angry mob — joyful and life-affirming.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:19 AM on April 7, 2015 [10 favorites]
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:19 AM on April 7, 2015 [10 favorites]
The post-coital philosophizing could only be way awkward.
Also, there's the "rhymes-with-schmyphilis."
That's right, folks -- the scoop is that Frederick Nietchie had Andy Sipowicz Disease, named after the famous detective from the Big Apple whose eventful life was chronicled in "NYPD in Blue" after he died of the disease that was named after him. Boy, I hope he "said his prayers" before he died or he's probably roasting in hell!
Be good out there, and I'll see you...at the movies!
posted by clockzero at 9:20 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
Also, there's the "rhymes-with-schmyphilis."
That's right, folks -- the scoop is that Frederick Nietchie had Andy Sipowicz Disease, named after the famous detective from the Big Apple whose eventful life was chronicled in "NYPD in Blue" after he died of the disease that was named after him. Boy, I hope he "said his prayers" before he died or he's probably roasting in hell!
Be good out there, and I'll see you...at the movies!
posted by clockzero at 9:20 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
Also, there's the "rhymes-with-schmyphilis."
If that's actually what he had. The "jet fuel can't melt steel" of this particular set of truthers appears to be "He was too sick all the time for other reasons to have had much sex with anyone".
posted by Copronymus at 9:22 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
If that's actually what he had. The "jet fuel can't melt steel" of this particular set of truthers appears to be "He was too sick all the time for other reasons to have had much sex with anyone".
posted by Copronymus at 9:22 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
I was going to take the introvert test, but then I realized that a whole bunch of people were also taking it and I didn't want to be part of a group.
posted by Splunge at 9:24 AM on April 7, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by Splunge at 9:24 AM on April 7, 2015 [5 favorites]
When you spend the first 40 years of your life partying, do you really have to spend the last 40 partying, too? Sigh. Well, if that's what it takes not to be a potentially murderous introvert on this test, guess it's time to crack out the whippets and jello shooters again...
posted by saulgoodman at 9:29 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by saulgoodman at 9:29 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
9 Things Introverts Do All the Time
Introverts don’t need to go out to have fun. They’re perfectly fine spending Friday night at home alone watching movies like Zodiac starring Mark Ruffalo, The Kids Are All Right featuring Mark Ruffalo, skipping to all the Mark Ruffalo scenes in Shutter Island, or simply rereading The Progressive’s April 2012 interview with actor Mark Ruffalo.posted by Iridic at 9:38 AM on April 7, 2015 [23 favorites]
I'm not like those OTHER guys, I get energy via photosynthesis and don't retain enough for independent movement.
posted by The Whelk at 9:42 AM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 9:42 AM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
When you spend the first 40 years of your life partying, do you really have to spend the last 40 partying, too?
RIGHT? when people get in my face about being boring/not drinking now i'm just like ugh really? i've drank enough for 3 generations of barrymores, what the fuck more do you people want from me.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:42 AM on April 7, 2015 [30 favorites]
RIGHT? when people get in my face about being boring/not drinking now i'm just like ugh really? i've drank enough for 3 generations of barrymores, what the fuck more do you people want from me.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:42 AM on April 7, 2015 [30 favorites]
I used to think I was an introvert but it turns out I was surrounded by assholes.
It's not in me to smile as much as most people do. I mean even if I am 100% happy I just don't smile because my face muscles don't feel like it. So I never did have a lot of friends in school or at university, and besides introverted, people thought I was stuck up.
And then I met other inexpressive people like me (including my totally stuck-up-looking husband who in reality is goofy as hell and actually shy) and a few people who didn't mind I look eternally pissed off, and shit I love them and I can't shut up when we're together and I want to do stuff with them all the time!
So eventually I discovered that no, I am not an introvert and I am not shy. I just have a really unfriendly face and people are scared of me.
posted by Tarumba at 9:43 AM on April 7, 2015 [8 favorites]
It's not in me to smile as much as most people do. I mean even if I am 100% happy I just don't smile because my face muscles don't feel like it. So I never did have a lot of friends in school or at university, and besides introverted, people thought I was stuck up.
And then I met other inexpressive people like me (including my totally stuck-up-looking husband who in reality is goofy as hell and actually shy) and a few people who didn't mind I look eternally pissed off, and shit I love them and I can't shut up when we're together and I want to do stuff with them all the time!
So eventually I discovered that no, I am not an introvert and I am not shy. I just have a really unfriendly face and people are scared of me.
posted by Tarumba at 9:43 AM on April 7, 2015 [8 favorites]
I was going to post here, but now I see a bunch of other people are posting, so I'll just be in my room.
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:47 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:47 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
i've drank enough for 3 generations of barrymores,
John Barrymore, who often stayed at Errol Flynn's house*, died during the shooting of Casablanca so Bogart and some others bribed the morgue to let them borrow the bdy and out it in Barrymore's old seat in Flynn's house so he'd have a charming shock when he came home.
This ip has been yur Barrykore Daily Fact
*getting blind drunk and pissing out the window enough to strip the varnish
posted by The Whelk at 9:48 AM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
John Barrymore, who often stayed at Errol Flynn's house*, died during the shooting of Casablanca so Bogart and some others bribed the morgue to let them borrow the bdy and out it in Barrymore's old seat in Flynn's house so he'd have a charming shock when he came home.
This ip has been yur Barrykore Daily Fact
*getting blind drunk and pissing out the window enough to strip the varnish
posted by The Whelk at 9:48 AM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Definitely don't fuck Friedrich Nietzsche.
Dunno - if you tell him 'deeper,' he can probably manage.
posted by Mooski at 9:52 AM on April 7, 2015 [6 favorites]
Dunno - if you tell him 'deeper,' he can probably manage.
posted by Mooski at 9:52 AM on April 7, 2015 [6 favorites]
I have been working on a number of designs for the introvert shawl, just this morning, in fact, before opening this thread. I kid you not.
I REALLY
I like it on my ledge
I can listen to the crows
And watch the passage below.
Eye level with the clouds,
Their silent shadows slide
Across the backs of those
Who wonder at the sudden chill.
I am friends with the wind
We are writing a script together,
About some birds
And their feathers,
About the ravens
Picking at the backs
Of dead goats,
The wind and the sand
Are handling the scenery,
Me, I creeped in to set
The mood.
posted by Oyéah at 9:57 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
I REALLY
I like it on my ledge
I can listen to the crows
And watch the passage below.
Eye level with the clouds,
Their silent shadows slide
Across the backs of those
Who wonder at the sudden chill.
I am friends with the wind
We are writing a script together,
About some birds
And their feathers,
About the ravens
Picking at the backs
Of dead goats,
The wind and the sand
Are handling the scenery,
Me, I creeped in to set
The mood.
posted by Oyéah at 9:57 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
I used to think I was an introvert but it turns out I was surrounded by assholes.
Total extrovert, here, but frequently shy-ish, often socially awkward and more than a little afraid of embarrassment. This confuses people, as it turns out.
posted by thivaia at 9:58 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
I've definitely noticed an uptick in the fetishization of introversion and it irks me.
Me too. I'm extremely introverted, and shy on top of that (and people are quick to point out that THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING OMG but they do sometimes go together), and I would like it if more people understood how I worked, but I know I'm not representative of all introverts, nor am I superior to extroverts. Extroversion is great! Enjoying the company of others, and knowing how to communicate with them, are both really good things!
Truth be told, I'd like to be the kind of person who has a dozen besties and throws fantastic parties. But it's in the category of things that I could theoretically do, if I put in a lot of sustained effort and regularly made myself uncomfortable, but the work involved would be greater than the enjoyment I'd get out of it. So I stay at home under my introvert shawl and talk to my cats.
posted by Metroid Baby at 10:00 AM on April 7, 2015 [6 favorites]
Me too. I'm extremely introverted, and shy on top of that (and people are quick to point out that THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING OMG but they do sometimes go together), and I would like it if more people understood how I worked, but I know I'm not representative of all introverts, nor am I superior to extroverts. Extroversion is great! Enjoying the company of others, and knowing how to communicate with them, are both really good things!
Truth be told, I'd like to be the kind of person who has a dozen besties and throws fantastic parties. But it's in the category of things that I could theoretically do, if I put in a lot of sustained effort and regularly made myself uncomfortable, but the work involved would be greater than the enjoyment I'd get out of it. So I stay at home under my introvert shawl and talk to my cats.
posted by Metroid Baby at 10:00 AM on April 7, 2015 [6 favorites]
the scoop is that Frederick Nietchie had Andy Sipowicz Disease
Wait, what? I thought Sipowicz had prostrate (sic) problems.
marry ayn rand, fuck michael corleone, kill friedrich nietzsche
Hmm, Michael and Freddy can fight it out but Ayn definitely needs killin'.
posted by fuse theorem at 10:01 AM on April 7, 2015
Wait, what? I thought Sipowicz had prostrate (sic) problems.
marry ayn rand, fuck michael corleone, kill friedrich nietzsche
Hmm, Michael and Freddy can fight it out but Ayn definitely needs killin'.
posted by fuse theorem at 10:01 AM on April 7, 2015
i've drank enough for 3 generations of barrymores, what the fuck more do you people want from me.
Martini, dry, three olives.
When you spend the first 40 years of your life partying, do you really have to spend the last 40 partying, too?
Only if your name is a) Hugh Hefner, b) Slurms Mackenzie, c) Liza Minelli
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 10:10 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Martini, dry, three olives.
When you spend the first 40 years of your life partying, do you really have to spend the last 40 partying, too?
Only if your name is a) Hugh Hefner, b) Slurms Mackenzie, c) Liza Minelli
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 10:10 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
marry liza minelli, fuck slurms mackenzie, kill hugh hefner
(sorry hugh)
posted by a manly man person who is male and masculine at 10:19 AM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
(sorry hugh)
posted by a manly man person who is male and masculine at 10:19 AM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
Kill huge heiffer, have a party.
posted by Oyéah at 10:21 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Oyéah at 10:21 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hello, I am the stereotypical shy, socially anxious introvert those annoying listicles were written about, apparently.
Small talk is anethema. Sharing an elevator with someone who talks is... undesirable. I don't do parties. I haveexcuses totally valid reasons for not lunching with coworkers or going drinking after work. I don't like crowds. I love self-checkout lines. I hate talking on the phone (except maybe with my parents, but my dad's willing to soliloquy for 40 minutes without any input so that helps) and if I could conduct all business via email and automated web forms that'd be great.
posted by Foosnark at 10:22 AM on April 7, 2015 [8 favorites]
Small talk is anethema. Sharing an elevator with someone who talks is... undesirable. I don't do parties. I have
posted by Foosnark at 10:22 AM on April 7, 2015 [8 favorites]
My pet theory is that the fetishization of introversion is driven primarily by the influx of a younger crowd on the internet that are, by self-selection, given more to introversion. That and that the fresh-outs they get to write that clickbait dross probably are all writing majors, you know, the types that are always working on important, thought-provoking novels.
I have tons of great, half-baked opinions like these, by the way. PM me if you want me to put you on my mailing list.
posted by johnnydummkopf at 10:23 AM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
I have tons of great, half-baked opinions like these, by the way. PM me if you want me to put you on my mailing list.
posted by johnnydummkopf at 10:23 AM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
So you're either an introvert or a sloppy alcoholic, eh? No room in the middle? (Since when don't small group dinner dates and personal visits with close friends count as being social? This is an extremely unfortunate new social norm for people with genetic tendencies toward substance abuse...)
posted by saulgoodman at 10:30 AM on April 7, 2015
posted by saulgoodman at 10:30 AM on April 7, 2015
Hey! Some of us are introverts and sloppy alcoholics!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 10:42 AM on April 7, 2015 [19 favorites]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 10:42 AM on April 7, 2015 [19 favorites]
I think you are joking but I would 100% enthusiastically subscribe to a mailing list of half baked opinions. I love half baked opinions, I have many terrible ones myself. If anyone wants to memail me some half baked opinions I am all for it.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 10:45 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by everybody had matching towels at 10:45 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
It's not a half baked opinion, but a personal experience. My parents were both big time addicts and I have the same tendencies, so I have to be careful.
posted by saulgoodman at 10:55 AM on April 7, 2015
posted by saulgoodman at 10:55 AM on April 7, 2015
Being an introvert is not proof that you are better than extroverts just because you like to be alone.
I'm not alone, there are cats.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:59 AM on April 7, 2015 [12 favorites]
I'm not alone, there are cats.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:59 AM on April 7, 2015 [12 favorites]
Also don't fuck Arthur Schopenhauer. And don't write about him either.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:03 AM on April 7, 2015
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:03 AM on April 7, 2015
> I think you are joking but I would 100% enthusiastically subscribe to a mailing list of half baked opinions.
I think you're practically there. If you can hook up a MeFi RSS feed to be forwarded as emails you'd have what you want.
posted by benito.strauss at 11:05 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
I think you're practically there. If you can hook up a MeFi RSS feed to be forwarded as emails you'd have what you want.
posted by benito.strauss at 11:05 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'm pretty sure the fetishization of introverts began as a well-meaning "stop trying to cure introverts, we're not broken" and then the internet happened and it became "introverts are wizards who can see all four sides of the Time Cube simultaneously."
posted by Foosnark at 11:06 AM on April 7, 2015 [29 favorites]
posted by Foosnark at 11:06 AM on April 7, 2015 [29 favorites]
Yet they can't do small talk.
posted by The Whelk at 11:08 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 11:08 AM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
Frederick Nietzsche had Andy Sipowicz Disease
You mean he was a congenitally mean drunk with a taste for short sleeve shirts and ties?
I would 100% enthusiastically subscribe to a mailing list of half baked opinions.
You are, in fact, soaking in it.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:09 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
You mean he was a congenitally mean drunk with a taste for short sleeve shirts and ties?
I would 100% enthusiastically subscribe to a mailing list of half baked opinions.
You are, in fact, soaking in it.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:09 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Martini, dry, three olives? No one gets free lunch 'round here.
posted by Oyéah at 11:11 AM on April 7, 2015
posted by Oyéah at 11:11 AM on April 7, 2015
It's not a half baked opinion, but a personal experience.
i think this comment was responding to the one above yours though.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:12 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
i think this comment was responding to the one above yours though.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:12 AM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
Short sleeves and ties? I have a sauce that's good on that.
posted by Oyéah at 11:15 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Oyéah at 11:15 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm an extrovert but as I've gotten older, my extroversion has gotten less and less extreme. According to MBTI tests, my introversion-extroversion meter went from the extreme end of the scale in my 20s to almost split down the middle now, in my late 30s.
Couch and the TV just sounds more appealing than leaving the house a lot of the times. I get kinda grumpy if I haven't had any alone time at home in a while (I'm looking forward to my boyfriend going on a trip at the end of the month, for example). And large groups take a lot more out of me than they used to - I'm finding that smaller groups and one-on-one interactions are deeper in a way that's very rewarding. But I still get energy being around people if I'm in the right mood for it, and I actually enjoy collaborating on things at work. If I'm stuck on a work problem, the #1 way for me to get un-stuck is to talk about it with a colleague.
posted by misskaz at 11:15 AM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Couch and the TV just sounds more appealing than leaving the house a lot of the times. I get kinda grumpy if I haven't had any alone time at home in a while (I'm looking forward to my boyfriend going on a trip at the end of the month, for example). And large groups take a lot more out of me than they used to - I'm finding that smaller groups and one-on-one interactions are deeper in a way that's very rewarding. But I still get energy being around people if I'm in the right mood for it, and I actually enjoy collaborating on things at work. If I'm stuck on a work problem, the #1 way for me to get un-stuck is to talk about it with a colleague.
posted by misskaz at 11:15 AM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
i think this comment was responding to the one above yours though.
ah so--thanks for setting me straight.
posted by saulgoodman at 11:21 AM on April 7, 2015
ah so--thanks for setting me straight.
posted by saulgoodman at 11:21 AM on April 7, 2015
Closely correlated pet peeve: people who treat Meyers-Briggs as anything more than a fun parlor game.
posted by Itaxpica at 11:21 AM on April 7, 2015 [13 favorites]
posted by Itaxpica at 11:21 AM on April 7, 2015 [13 favorites]
This is great. But my issue is after awhile it feels like introversion has no meaning based off of shitty personality psych.
I'm probably an introvert in that being social can be really draining on me sometimes to point of hard core crashing, but sometimes it's not a problem or even energizing.
But I would never identify as such because I want none of that baggage and has no bearing on my interactions other than sometimes I leave stuff early or skip stuff.
posted by KernalM at 11:26 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm probably an introvert in that being social can be really draining on me sometimes to point of hard core crashing, but sometimes it's not a problem or even energizing.
But I would never identify as such because I want none of that baggage and has no bearing on my interactions other than sometimes I leave stuff early or skip stuff.
posted by KernalM at 11:26 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I don't know if I'm an introvert, or just a socially awkward and insecure asshole!
Also, introducing yourself as an introvert is a lousy way to pick up trains. Just saying.
posted by Foci for Analysis at 11:41 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Also, introducing yourself as an introvert is a lousy way to pick up trains. Just saying.
posted by Foci for Analysis at 11:41 AM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
introducing yourself as an introvert is a lousy way to pick up trains.
Unless you're an introvert with a large heavy-duty crane.
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:48 AM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Unless you're an introvert with a large heavy-duty crane.
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:48 AM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Kill huge heiffer, have a party.
An empty Playboy Mansion probably would be a great place for an introvert to party.
Edit: Sorry, misread that.
posted by justkevin at 12:12 PM on April 7, 2015
An empty Playboy Mansion probably would be a great place for an introvert to party.
Edit: Sorry, misread that.
posted by justkevin at 12:12 PM on April 7, 2015
My perfect afternoon is finding a dark cave and wandering downward forever.
Why keep wandering? You've already got a perfectly good dark cave; what more could you possibly hope to find? Posers.
posted by Freon at 12:13 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
Why keep wandering? You've already got a perfectly good dark cave; what more could you possibly hope to find? Posers.
posted by Freon at 12:13 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'm standing up for trival empty chit chat, who wants to have a deep, meaningful conversation? That sounds exhausting! Also dangerously close to Feelings and my New England ancestors would be apppaled at me having any.
posted by The Whelk at 12:15 PM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 12:15 PM on April 7, 2015 [7 favorites]
I've definitely noticed an uptick in the fetishization of introversion and it irks me
I've noticed a small amount of writing about extravert hegemony and it irks me not.
posted by Zed at 12:31 PM on April 7, 2015
I've noticed a small amount of writing about extravert hegemony and it irks me not.
posted by Zed at 12:31 PM on April 7, 2015
Noticing things is the first sign of being an extrovert. Get back under your shawl, peepers.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 12:36 PM on April 7, 2015
posted by robocop is bleeding at 12:36 PM on April 7, 2015
I'm too introverted to write this response.
posted by kyrademon at 1:01 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by kyrademon at 1:01 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
here's a sense I've gotten, both on-line and off, that people assume that being an introvert automatically means that you are deep and interesting and creative and have untapped pools of wisdom and insight. Not to be a dick but I've known a ton of introverts and yeah lots of them are great and interesting and some of them turn out to be dull and boring.
Quo' Jens Lekman:
Quo' Jens Lekman:
People seem to thinkposted by kenko at 1:02 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
A shy personality equals gifted
But if they got to know one
I'm sure that idea would have shifted
Most shy people I know
Are extremely boring
Either that or they are miserable
From all the shit they've been storing
Yet they can't do small talk.
It's like you can't go around sitting quietly and staring at your dinner companion without someone getting uppity anymore.
posted by backseatpilot at 1:09 PM on April 7, 2015
It's like you can't go around sitting quietly and staring at your dinner companion without someone getting uppity anymore.
posted by backseatpilot at 1:09 PM on April 7, 2015
small talk's no problem. but some talk is just a little too small for my tastes. besides, when you spend all day either working or with your kids, you've usually had plenty of small talk already.
posted by saulgoodman at 1:11 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by saulgoodman at 1:11 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
My observation for this sort of fetishization has always been that, ironically, introverts are least introverted about their own introversion. Or: introverts love talking about how introverted they are more than anything else.
(I'm probably an introvert, and of course I know #notallintroverts, but seriously)
posted by nakedmolerats at 1:16 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
(I'm probably an introvert, and of course I know #notallintroverts, but seriously)
posted by nakedmolerats at 1:16 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Is that kind of like how some people humblebrag about being geeks or nerds?
posted by ChuckRamone at 1:30 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by ChuckRamone at 1:30 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yes, and it is usually the same people coincidentally.
posted by tinkletown at 2:06 PM on April 7, 2015
posted by tinkletown at 2:06 PM on April 7, 2015
I've finally realised what I thought was introversion is just a serious issue with noise. Teaching a class? Great. Running meetings? Fine. Chatting with strangers? Not the best but doable and I feel okay. A noisy party filled with people I love? GETMEOUTGETMEOUTGETMEOUT.
posted by geek anachronism at 2:23 PM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by geek anachronism at 2:23 PM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Lots of good points above. I tend to agree that introversion/extroversion is a spectrum, with many shades of gray in between the extremes. I sometimes desperately CRAVE some human companionship, and at other times, I just want to be left alone. I agree that the recent internet focus on introverts is not really necessary and is overly-simplifying the point. Like a doctor I once spoke to about anxiety said to me, "Most people are anxious to a certain extant. The ones that aren't anxious at all .... we generally label psychopaths or sociopaths.
posted by Diag at 2:32 PM on April 7, 2015
posted by Diag at 2:32 PM on April 7, 2015
idek if it's actually introversion or if it is just the fact that i hate people and don't want to talk to any of them ever for any reason unless it is to thank them for delivering my food.
posted by poffin boffin at 2:33 PM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 2:33 PM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
idek if it's actually introversion or if it is just the fact that i hate people and don't want to talk to any of them ever for any reason unless it is to thank them for delivering my food
I prefer a silent, organized, soup nazi style handoff.
posted by Drinky Die at 3:04 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
I prefer a silent, organized, soup nazi style handoff.
posted by Drinky Die at 3:04 PM on April 7, 2015 [2 favorites]
Closely correlated pet peeve: people who treat Meyers-Briggs as anything more than a fun parlor game.
Uuughh what a totally ISTP thing to say
posted by en forme de poire at 4:42 PM on April 7, 2015
Uuughh what a totally ISTP thing to say
posted by en forme de poire at 4:42 PM on April 7, 2015
My pet theory is that the fetishization of introversion is driven primarily by the influx of a younger crowd on the internet
I agree with you this far, but I think it's because a younger generation mistakes the public, performative aspects of social media as a whole; the notion of a private space that encompasses feelings and thoughts is viewed as a novelty or even endearing aberration, thus feelings that are in fact quite common - indeed have historically been seen as necessary and valuable - are viewed as far more unusual and meaningful than they are.
Social media does not have a a means of expressing desire for solitude or privacy except in a performative, dare I say extroverted fashion, thus expression of these things becomes a self defeating form of identity labelling.
posted by smoke at 5:18 PM on April 7, 2015 [6 favorites]
I agree with you this far, but I think it's because a younger generation mistakes the public, performative aspects of social media as a whole; the notion of a private space that encompasses feelings and thoughts is viewed as a novelty or even endearing aberration, thus feelings that are in fact quite common - indeed have historically been seen as necessary and valuable - are viewed as far more unusual and meaningful than they are.
Social media does not have a a means of expressing desire for solitude or privacy except in a performative, dare I say extroverted fashion, thus expression of these things becomes a self defeating form of identity labelling.
posted by smoke at 5:18 PM on April 7, 2015 [6 favorites]
I see this with my young nieces and nephews, they struggle with not exposing themselves online and in person, have a rudimentary understanding of personas and their applications in different settings, i. e. work, friends, family etc.
I think part of this is just what being a young person is, when you have not had to assume a number of roles as part of society's expectations, and the roles you do assume are relatively cohesive or flat. But I also wonder if a changing discourse about authenticity is contributing to it. I feel like modern society has somewhat of an authenticity crisis/deficit and this is one way of responding to authenticity's dearth/value.
posted by smoke at 5:25 PM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
I think part of this is just what being a young person is, when you have not had to assume a number of roles as part of society's expectations, and the roles you do assume are relatively cohesive or flat. But I also wonder if a changing discourse about authenticity is contributing to it. I feel like modern society has somewhat of an authenticity crisis/deficit and this is one way of responding to authenticity's dearth/value.
posted by smoke at 5:25 PM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Closely correlated pet peeve: people who treat Meyers-Briggs as anything more than a fun parlor game.
This is the conjunction fallacy. People with parlors are annoying without anything having to do with Myers-Briggs.
posted by srboisvert at 5:42 PM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
This is the conjunction fallacy. People with parlors are annoying without anything having to do with Myers-Briggs.
posted by srboisvert at 5:42 PM on April 7, 2015 [4 favorites]
I actually appreciate all this "how to care for your introvert" crap because it helped me figure some stuff out about how to manage my social life better. I used to cancel on stuff after work because I couldn't imagine getting any enjoyment out of something so horrible as talking to my best friend over dinner. Later on, I'd be bored and maybe lonely at home.
Then, partly because of getting older and partly because of recognizing myself in these articles, I know I can take a break and then be ready for fun again. I've even come home to find my friends already in my (shoebox of an) apartment, excused myself to the bedroom, put in earplugs, and not talked to anyone for 20 minutes and then been ready to have fun. Previously, I would have probably hung out right away and hated everyone.
Noise has also become more of a problem for me, as geek anachronism mentioned above. Movies in the theater can be stressful to me for this reason. Millions of pairs of earplugs help keep me sane.
posted by MsDaniB at 5:57 PM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
Then, partly because of getting older and partly because of recognizing myself in these articles, I know I can take a break and then be ready for fun again. I've even come home to find my friends already in my (shoebox of an) apartment, excused myself to the bedroom, put in earplugs, and not talked to anyone for 20 minutes and then been ready to have fun. Previously, I would have probably hung out right away and hated everyone.
Noise has also become more of a problem for me, as geek anachronism mentioned above. Movies in the theater can be stressful to me for this reason. Millions of pairs of earplugs help keep me sane.
posted by MsDaniB at 5:57 PM on April 7, 2015 [3 favorites]
MsDaniB: "Noise has also become more of a problem for me, as geek anachronism mentioned above. Movies in the theater can be stressful to me for this reason. Millions of pairs of earplugs help keep me sane.
OMG I literally ended up wearing my partner's in ear earbuds at a children's movie yesterday, it was just too loud. Some of it is leftover migraine but yeah. There's a reason I even prefer to cook with headphones on, and music I know well, rather than the increased traffic noise from the road outside.
posted by geek anachronism at 8:03 PM on April 7, 2015
OMG I literally ended up wearing my partner's in ear earbuds at a children's movie yesterday, it was just too loud. Some of it is leftover migraine but yeah. There's a reason I even prefer to cook with headphones on, and music I know well, rather than the increased traffic noise from the road outside.
posted by geek anachronism at 8:03 PM on April 7, 2015
Real introverts don't post comments.
posted by hat_eater at 11:53 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by hat_eater at 11:53 PM on April 7, 2015 [1 favorite]
It's funny how we're constantly trying to fall into camps rather than exist on a spectrum. Conservative/Liberal, Extroverted/Introverted, Straight/Gay, all are teams we're playing for rather than the labels at the end of a line. There's this black and white view that there's nothing in between, you're either/or not also/and. We have a need to create a distinct identity, to define ourselves by who we're with and who we're against, when it's all just gray area and each of us is made of endless layers of nuance once you start exploring. The labels are shortcuts to avoid thinking, self definitions that serve to bolster our egos, or badges to show we belong to the right group, but they aren't us.
posted by Lighthammer at 7:38 AM on April 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Lighthammer at 7:38 AM on April 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
Real introverts don't post comments.
Beg pardon? As an introvert, being around other human beings drains my energy. If it weren't for being able to interact via comments online, I'd be effectively a hermit.
posted by Lexica at 10:33 AM on April 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
Beg pardon? As an introvert, being around other human beings drains my energy. If it weren't for being able to interact via comments online, I'd be effectively a hermit.
posted by Lexica at 10:33 AM on April 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
People with parlors are annoying without anything having to do with Myers-Briggs.
My parlor is awesome. Don't hate.
posted by thivaia at 11:13 AM on April 8, 2015
My parlor is awesome. Don't hate.
posted by thivaia at 11:13 AM on April 8, 2015
Sorry, Lexica, it was my attempt at a joke. (I'd say, more seriously, that I post every third comment that I start, and regret every second or so).
posted by hat_eater at 11:12 PM on April 8, 2015
posted by hat_eater at 11:12 PM on April 8, 2015
Six Problems Every Extrovert Understands
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:55 AM on April 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:55 AM on April 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Real introverts don't post comments.
For me this is true most of the time unless I am really stirred or inebriated. The thought of having to respond to others is typically enough to scare me from comments
posted by just another scurvy brother at 10:59 AM on April 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
For me this is true most of the time unless I am really stirred or inebriated. The thought of having to respond to others is typically enough to scare me from comments
posted by just another scurvy brother at 10:59 AM on April 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
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