I Don't Like Mondays
December 8, 2015 8:41 PM Subscribe
The Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit and nonpartisan project, has compiled data on gun-related homicides and shootings in the United States. The data includes location information, with which this interactive map has been created to determine how many people have been shot near your home this year.
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Eight within a mile of my house, three of them fatal. Pretty sure this does not include at least two (?) police-involved shootings.
posted by rtha at 9:14 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by rtha at 9:14 PM on December 8, 2015
More than depressing. That's straight up chilling.
posted by It's a Parasox at 9:20 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by It's a Parasox at 9:20 PM on December 8, 2015
There have been 36 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 10 fatal and 26 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.16 miles away.
I have been home most of every day for nearly the entire past year and have heard none of these, gunshots or commotion.
posted by phunniemee at 9:38 PM on December 8, 2015
I have been home most of every day for nearly the entire past year and have heard none of these, gunshots or commotion.
posted by phunniemee at 9:38 PM on December 8, 2015
There was one, a murder-suicide. The shooter left a note for the fire department warning of explosives. It was an elderly couple. I drive by the now razed lot every day on my way home from work.
posted by Ruki at 9:46 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Ruki at 9:46 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yikes, one non-fatal within 1/2 mile of where I live, a street I used to bike ride this summer/fall. But it sounds a bit gang-ish. (Victim was "dropped off" at hospital.)
Also checked the city where I previously lived - two domestic murders, one at a workplace.
One thing I've come to realize- since moving from a progressive inner ring suburb to a bit farther out, I've actually been somewhat more afraid of gun violence. It's because around here there's a lean toward tea party politics (among both fairly well to do and not so), and THAT scares me. And this comes from someone who still drives through/ visits big bad Detroit all the time.
Perceptions of who to be afraid of. (When the real answer is "Anyone with a gun.")
posted by NorthernLite at 9:47 PM on December 8, 2015
Also checked the city where I previously lived - two domestic murders, one at a workplace.
One thing I've come to realize- since moving from a progressive inner ring suburb to a bit farther out, I've actually been somewhat more afraid of gun violence. It's because around here there's a lean toward tea party politics (among both fairly well to do and not so), and THAT scares me. And this comes from someone who still drives through/ visits big bad Detroit all the time.
Perceptions of who to be afraid of. (When the real answer is "Anyone with a gun.")
posted by NorthernLite at 9:47 PM on December 8, 2015
There have been 44 shootings within a 1-mile radius of my New Orleans apartment in the past year, 20 fatal and 24 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.21 miles away.
posted by BicycleFace at 9:48 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by BicycleFace at 9:48 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
It isn't too surprising that Los Angeles, Chicago, St. Louis, Oakland, and Baltimore are major hotspots. But I'm a bit surprised that Philadelphia's score was so high. I didn't know the gangs were operating there.
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 9:50 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 9:50 PM on December 8, 2015
Just one within 1 mile of me. (Nonfatal, attempted suicide following police chase. Police chase may have, itself, been a suicide attempt.) The alarming thing is that it was a year ago, and only 2 or 3 blocks away, and this is the first I'm hearing about it.
Distance to nearest fatal non-suicide: about 24 miles. This one I'd heard about. (Evening, in a mall food court, a man shot a woman who'd broken off a relationship with him earlier that day. So yes, that is a thing that happens.)
posted by Spathe Cadet at 10:07 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
Distance to nearest fatal non-suicide: about 24 miles. This one I'd heard about. (Evening, in a mall food court, a man shot a woman who'd broken off a relationship with him earlier that day. So yes, that is a thing that happens.)
posted by Spathe Cadet at 10:07 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
It shows two within a mile of my home, but they missed a third which I can easily find news articles about. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it's incomplete, because how could it be otherwise? (without government cooperation)
posted by aubilenon at 10:39 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by aubilenon at 10:39 PM on December 8, 2015
There is
(A) A depressing (and unsurprising) number of shootings around my place
(B) A few I know about on top of all these that this map missed
It's given me 22 with 10 fatal, but there are at least two fatal shootings they missed--one at the end of my block.
ugh
posted by Anonymous at 10:45 PM on December 8, 2015
(A) A depressing (and unsurprising) number of shootings around my place
(B) A few I know about on top of all these that this map missed
It's given me 22 with 10 fatal, but there are at least two fatal shootings they missed--one at the end of my block.
ugh
posted by Anonymous at 10:45 PM on December 8, 2015
I have been home most of every day for nearly the entire past year and have heard none of these, gunshots or commotion.
I live in a city and have realized that unless something is going on directly outside my window I don't even notice ambulances and fights any more. There was a murder in a park less than 300 feet from where I lived and I didn't even find out until months later. Granted, I also do not keep track of crime news.
posted by Anonymous at 10:51 PM on December 8, 2015
I live in a city and have realized that unless something is going on directly outside my window I don't even notice ambulances and fights any more. There was a murder in a park less than 300 feet from where I lived and I didn't even find out until months later. Granted, I also do not keep track of crime news.
posted by Anonymous at 10:51 PM on December 8, 2015
Really, the more revealing part of this whole thing is the fact that it's so routine that it's underreported, to the point that people are surprised by something like this that happened under a mile from their home.
posted by DoctorFedora at 10:51 PM on December 8, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by DoctorFedora at 10:51 PM on December 8, 2015 [4 favorites]
"There have been 55 shootings within a 1-mile radius of [my home] in the past year, 9 fatal and 46 non-fatal. The closest shooting was .08 miles away."
What makes me absolutely sick is knowing (personally) folks for which a "non-fatal" shooting means months in the hospital and a completely changed life and loss of things like walking.
posted by jeweled accumulation at 11:21 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
What makes me absolutely sick is knowing (personally) folks for which a "non-fatal" shooting means months in the hospital and a completely changed life and loss of things like walking.
posted by jeweled accumulation at 11:21 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
There have been 55 shootings within a 1-mile radius
You live in Aleppo?
posted by pompomtom at 12:18 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
You live in Aleppo?
posted by pompomtom at 12:18 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
And as they mention in the article this map doesn't even include the most common form of gun violence, suicide (although murder-suicides and suicide by cop are on there). The area I live looks quiet, but I know of at least 1 suicide not on the map. I know at least 3 people ( and probably more) that have killed themselves with guns.
posted by TedW at 1:29 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by TedW at 1:29 AM on December 9, 2015
16 within a mile of me, 8 fatal and 8 non-fatal. Several of them were apparently arguments that had gotten out of hand, including one that killed an innocent bystander (the people who had been arguing fled the scene).
It's not that I'm worried about my own safety, but it's absolutely sickening to hear how many people died like this. I clicked around the whole map, and so many of these deaths were arguments between neighbors, or arguments between strangers, or partner violence, or any number of things that won't in a million years be stopped by "a good guy with a gun." What an absolute nightmare this country is today.
My dad sometimes says how shocking it is to remember that Jim Crow was around within his lifetime. I hope someday we'll look back on things like this map with the same kind of disappointed amazement.
posted by teponaztli at 1:35 AM on December 9, 2015 [5 favorites]
It's not that I'm worried about my own safety, but it's absolutely sickening to hear how many people died like this. I clicked around the whole map, and so many of these deaths were arguments between neighbors, or arguments between strangers, or partner violence, or any number of things that won't in a million years be stopped by "a good guy with a gun." What an absolute nightmare this country is today.
My dad sometimes says how shocking it is to remember that Jim Crow was around within his lifetime. I hope someday we'll look back on things like this map with the same kind of disappointed amazement.
posted by teponaztli at 1:35 AM on December 9, 2015 [5 favorites]
since moving from a progressive inner ring suburb to a bit farther out, I've actually been somewhat more afraid of gun violence.
Read Bowling Alone. It throws some pretty compelling numbers behind the theory that people end up treating their fellow humans like shit the more they interact primarily as motorists.
posted by 7segment at 2:38 AM on December 9, 2015 [4 favorites]
Read Bowling Alone. It throws some pretty compelling numbers behind the theory that people end up treating their fellow humans like shit the more they interact primarily as motorists.
posted by 7segment at 2:38 AM on December 9, 2015 [4 favorites]
Six shootings, three fatal, three non fatal.
Mass shootings show up as a single point on the map even though are multiple fatalities.
One thing I didn't expect: Two murder suicides involving elderly couples just a few miles from here.
posted by mochapickle at 4:08 AM on December 9, 2015
Mass shootings show up as a single point on the map even though are multiple fatalities.
One thing I didn't expect: Two murder suicides involving elderly couples just a few miles from here.
posted by mochapickle at 4:08 AM on December 9, 2015
12 Shootings of which 4 were fatal. This is actually a very safe neighborhood but Pittsburgh is so balkanized that a mile radius covers something like twenty very different neighborhoods each with wildly different demographics and crime statistics.
posted by octothorpe at 4:49 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by octothorpe at 4:49 AM on December 9, 2015
There have been 17 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 5 fatal and 12 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.10 miles away.
It's actually 18 shootings/6 fatal, as a man was shot two blocks away this past weekend and died in the hospital. Welcome to DC.
Ugh.
posted by Thistledown at 4:55 AM on December 9, 2015
It's actually 18 shootings/6 fatal, as a man was shot two blocks away this past weekend and died in the hospital. Welcome to DC.
Ugh.
posted by Thistledown at 4:55 AM on December 9, 2015
There have been 2 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 0 fatal and 2 non-fatal.
NYC here. There were several fatal shootings if you back out of the map just a bit more than a mile.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:56 AM on December 9, 2015
NYC here. There were several fatal shootings if you back out of the map just a bit more than a mile.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:56 AM on December 9, 2015
Hmm, I didn't mean my comment to sound so dismissive. Just pointing out how you can live very close to violence and never know about it. (Unless I guess you watch the 11 o'clock news which I never do).
posted by octothorpe at 5:33 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by octothorpe at 5:33 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
There have been 23 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 4 fatal and 19 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.22 miles away.
It's depressing and terrifying to me how clearly you can see gang turf boundaries by the density of the points. Try starting at, say, 3000 N Halsted St in Chicago and watch what happens as you scroll north, crossing Montrose, and then Foster, and then Bryn Mawr....
posted by Westringia F. at 5:42 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
It's depressing and terrifying to me how clearly you can see gang turf boundaries by the density of the points. Try starting at, say, 3000 N Halsted St in Chicago and watch what happens as you scroll north, crossing Montrose, and then Foster, and then Bryn Mawr....
posted by Westringia F. at 5:42 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
No real shootings near me. The two ones sort of near my inlaws were hunting accidents, but down by my mother and a Marine base is apparently a dangerous place to live.
posted by Nanukthedog at 5:45 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by Nanukthedog at 5:45 AM on December 9, 2015
1 shooting, and it was fatal, within a one mile radius.
Despite the fact that I live 0.8 miles from the largest public housing project in North America (just to counter stereotypes there). My neighborhood is decently safe.
posted by gaspode at 5:52 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Despite the fact that I live 0.8 miles from the largest public housing project in North America (just to counter stereotypes there). My neighborhood is decently safe.
posted by gaspode at 5:52 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Ah, but I forgot to say that the shooting *was* in the housing development. Full disclosure! Even so.
posted by gaspode at 5:53 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by gaspode at 5:53 AM on December 9, 2015
"There have been 8 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 2 fatal and 6 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.29 miles away." ... although I already knew this, we have "shot-spotter," which is where they stick a microphone on lampposts every mile or so and when a gunshot is fired all the microphones that can hear it go "WHOA WE HEARD A GUNSHOT" and a computer program provides a rapid triangulation of the location based on the microphones' timing and dispatches the police, usually dispatching the squad car BEFORE the 911 calls start coming in. (They are doing some interesting things with mapping the 911 calls and how fast and good 911 callers are at locating where a shot came from -- pretty good!) Shotspotter also provides maps for citizens so I've seen basically the same map (and if I click through, it's interesting how many of the incidents in my 1-mile radius say "reported by shotspotter.")
Almost all of these with my 1 mile are in the shady commercial area nearby (pawn shops, payday loans) or are domestic violence-involved. There's one (it was suuuuuuuuuper tragic, we knew the family a little bit from school) that was a home invasion gone awry. My one complaint about things like this is that someone might look at this and go "Eight shootings! What a dangerous part of town!" But it's not the kind of crime that affects ordinary citizens -- it is the clustering of predatory businesses (that my neighborhood has been fighting for ten years, and we got a state law passed that limits the number of payday lenders to eight in one mile of linear commercial zoning because it was getting A LITTLE NUTS) that we have made an affirmative choice as a society to allow to operate in predatory ways on desperate people -- this is not an unpredicted outcome! Every time one of these places applies for a license people bring up the data on the violence they bring with them! But that violence is pretty limited to people who patronize those business and it can be stopped by NOT LETTING PAYDAY LENDERS DRIVE PEOPLE INTO PENURY, YO. And it's domestic violence, which, again, isn't something that's likely to affect a random citizen walking their dog and minding their own business. It's a tragic, societal problem, but it's also a private one that doesn't really spill out into the neighborhood.
(The home invasion was the sort of random crime that people are afraid of, and that really was, random and tragic and horrible and unpredictable ... and quite notable because that rarely happens around here.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:56 AM on December 9, 2015 [9 favorites]
Almost all of these with my 1 mile are in the shady commercial area nearby (pawn shops, payday loans) or are domestic violence-involved. There's one (it was suuuuuuuuuper tragic, we knew the family a little bit from school) that was a home invasion gone awry. My one complaint about things like this is that someone might look at this and go "Eight shootings! What a dangerous part of town!" But it's not the kind of crime that affects ordinary citizens -- it is the clustering of predatory businesses (that my neighborhood has been fighting for ten years, and we got a state law passed that limits the number of payday lenders to eight in one mile of linear commercial zoning because it was getting A LITTLE NUTS) that we have made an affirmative choice as a society to allow to operate in predatory ways on desperate people -- this is not an unpredicted outcome! Every time one of these places applies for a license people bring up the data on the violence they bring with them! But that violence is pretty limited to people who patronize those business and it can be stopped by NOT LETTING PAYDAY LENDERS DRIVE PEOPLE INTO PENURY, YO. And it's domestic violence, which, again, isn't something that's likely to affect a random citizen walking their dog and minding their own business. It's a tragic, societal problem, but it's also a private one that doesn't really spill out into the neighborhood.
(The home invasion was the sort of random crime that people are afraid of, and that really was, random and tragic and horrible and unpredictable ... and quite notable because that rarely happens around here.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:56 AM on December 9, 2015 [9 favorites]
Despite the reputation of Laredo, at least among people who are at all aware of it, there was only one shooting, non-fatal, within a mile of my home--and I live on the "bad" side of town.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:21 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:21 AM on December 9, 2015
Distance to nearest fatal non-suicide: about 24 miles. This one I'd heard about. (Evening, in a mall food court, a man shot a woman who'd broken off a relationship with him earlier that day. So yes, that is a thing that happens.)Hi, neighbor! Has it ever been confirmed that there was any relationship that existed outside of the killer's head? I know that he said that he killed her because she sent a text message breaking up with him, but I don't think the police or her family have confirmed that. Early on, her friends told reporters that he had been harassing her at work and that she was thinking about filing a complaint. Both the killer and his victim worked at the mall. Anyway, her name was Andrea Farrington, and she was 20 years old. I think that statistics are important, but it's also important to remember that each of those flags is an actual person, with a name and a story.
Anyway, my takeaway from this is that I live in a very safe place now. My last address in Chicago had 17 shootings, 3 fatal, within a mile. (And I lived in a very safe part of Chicago.) My current address has one non-fatal shooting, and it appears to have been accidental.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:27 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
I just checked for our address, and it was missing an exciting meth-fueled shooting nearby that originated in a payment dispute between a sex worker and the guy who had invited her over. But it has plenty of others nearby, about what I would have expected from a dense urban area.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:42 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by Dip Flash at 6:42 AM on December 9, 2015
Sobering. 6 in the last year. And that doesn't even include the mass shooting at Cafe Racer 3 years ago, the survivors of which I still see regularly in my clinic whose lives have been ruined by PTSD.
Sometimes I forget this is something that doesn't just exist on the news, but is right here, right now.
Fuck guns. Fuck everyone who is so on edge, they feel they need a gun but don't realize they are contributing to the problem.
Also, mostly fuck sport hunters. Yes, I believe you are responsible and your reasons for owning guns are slightly different that the urbanite home protection reasons but you could live without your sport for the rest of us and your political lobbies have the blood of thousands on their hands.
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 6:43 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
Sometimes I forget this is something that doesn't just exist on the news, but is right here, right now.
Fuck guns. Fuck everyone who is so on edge, they feel they need a gun but don't realize they are contributing to the problem.
Also, mostly fuck sport hunters. Yes, I believe you are responsible and your reasons for owning guns are slightly different that the urbanite home protection reasons but you could live without your sport for the rest of us and your political lobbies have the blood of thousands on their hands.
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 6:43 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
Oops. Read it wrong, the actual number was 9 (the cluster marked "3" was 3 separate events , one of which involved 3 victims)
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 6:49 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 6:49 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
23. 7 fatal. None of which are really in my neighborhood, mostly along the outer fringes.
posted by Ham Snadwich at 6:51 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by Ham Snadwich at 6:51 AM on December 9, 2015
Zero shootings within 20 miles. But most of my neighbors hoard personal arsenals. The men routinely open their glove boxes and center console units to show Mr. Carmicha their weapons; he has a penis, so it doesn't occur to them that he is anti-gun. At parties, the women talk about keeping their weapons in gun safes, while their husbands sneer about how useless that makes them in the event of a home invasion and brag about how they've hidden a gun in every room so they can always reach one within seconds.
TL; DR It's just a matter of time.
posted by carmicha at 6:52 AM on December 9, 2015
TL; DR It's just a matter of time.
posted by carmicha at 6:52 AM on December 9, 2015
Related: It looks like the FBI has been embarrassed by the Guardian into tracking police killings!
"The FBI count will ultimately remain voluntary, however"
posted by zyxwvut at 6:54 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
"The FBI count will ultimately remain voluntary, however"
posted by zyxwvut at 6:54 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
There have been 10 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 2 fatal and 8 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.33 miles away.
Not really surprised but that doesn't mean I'm less bothered by it. That said, it gets precipitously worse just down the hill. Interesting (though again, not surprising) to see just how closely this intersects with low income/high poverty neighborhoods which, of course, tend to follow racial divides (thanks, Cincinnati). But hey! We're gentrifying the shit out of those places! Problem solved right!
I want to show this site to my parents--my mom, because we're of a similar mind w/r/t gun control, and my dad, because we're... not. But I know the second I send it to her she'll be looking up my address and she worries enough about it as it is. Enlightening though to look at my incredibly rural hometown area and see there are still way more than I would have expected, and also, virtually all of them seem to be drunk dudes at parties.
Also, there are so so many firearm discharges that won't show up in something like this but I can tell you, the frequency with which I hear gunfire very close to my home makes me feel incredibly unsafe. Often it seems like attempted shootings (5+ shots), or at the very least they are someone not fucking around. Either way, doesn't make me feel great.
I don't think there's any way to compile a dataset on that and it'd probably be meaningless in a lot of areas simply because of how often it happens but I feel like it's worth saying.
posted by suddenly, and without warning, at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2015
Not really surprised but that doesn't mean I'm less bothered by it. That said, it gets precipitously worse just down the hill. Interesting (though again, not surprising) to see just how closely this intersects with low income/high poverty neighborhoods which, of course, tend to follow racial divides (thanks, Cincinnati). But hey! We're gentrifying the shit out of those places! Problem solved right!
I want to show this site to my parents--my mom, because we're of a similar mind w/r/t gun control, and my dad, because we're... not. But I know the second I send it to her she'll be looking up my address and she worries enough about it as it is. Enlightening though to look at my incredibly rural hometown area and see there are still way more than I would have expected, and also, virtually all of them seem to be drunk dudes at parties.
Also, there are so so many firearm discharges that won't show up in something like this but I can tell you, the frequency with which I hear gunfire very close to my home makes me feel incredibly unsafe. Often it seems like attempted shootings (5+ shots), or at the very least they are someone not fucking around. Either way, doesn't make me feel great.
I don't think there's any way to compile a dataset on that and it'd probably be meaningless in a lot of areas simply because of how often it happens but I feel like it's worth saying.
posted by suddenly, and without warning, at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2015
Jesus. The Chicago area is one giant mass of shootings. It's an outlier even on a national scale, even compared to the "high crime" areas in the big East Coast/West Coast cities or the classic Murder Capital darlings Detroit and DC.
("High crime" in quotes because thanks to the media attention and lots of crime shows/movies pretty much every Midwesterner has been led to believe that LA and NYC = "you're gonna get shot." But in reality, sweet home Chicago is a lot more dangerous.)
posted by caution live frogs at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2015
("High crime" in quotes because thanks to the media attention and lots of crime shows/movies pretty much every Midwesterner has been led to believe that LA and NYC = "you're gonna get shot." But in reality, sweet home Chicago is a lot more dangerous.)
posted by caution live frogs at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2015
Just one fatal shooting, 2.71 miles away. Which surprises me a bit, given I'm in a somewhat low-income-ish area 5 miles from Ferguson.
Looking at various metro areas, dividing number of incidents per million residents:
New Orleans: 426 (!!!)
Chicago: 261
STL: 251
Philly: 130
Pittsburgh: 119
Houston: 92
Atlanta: 84
Tampa: 81
Phoenix: 77
Detroit: 75
Miami: 65
SF: 54
NYC: 53
Portland: 52
Seattle: 51
LA: 42
posted by Foosnark at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Looking at various metro areas, dividing number of incidents per million residents:
New Orleans: 426 (!!!)
Chicago: 261
STL: 251
Philly: 130
Pittsburgh: 119
Houston: 92
Atlanta: 84
Tampa: 81
Phoenix: 77
Detroit: 75
Miami: 65
SF: 54
NYC: 53
Portland: 52
Seattle: 51
LA: 42
posted by Foosnark at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Years ago there was a big storm in our neighborhood that knocked down trees and made the roads impassable. A neighbor suffered a heart attack shoveling snow, but the ambulance couldn't make it. A bunch of the guys I mentioned in my earlier comment got out their chain saws and tried to clear the road but, sadly, the heart attack victim died. Nowadays, I think about how I couldn't go to any of them for help in the middle of the night, presuming no phone service, because of the risk of being shot.
posted by carmicha at 7:01 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by carmicha at 7:01 AM on December 9, 2015
Just looking at fatal incidents because I can't quickly find UK statistics that include non-fatal shootings:
the US's overall average is 38.958 fatal shootings per million
the UK's overall average is 0.468 fatal shootings per million
posted by Foosnark at 7:04 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
the US's overall average is 38.958 fatal shootings per million
the UK's overall average is 0.468 fatal shootings per million
posted by Foosnark at 7:04 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
we have "shot-spotter," which is where they stick a microphone on lampposts every mile or so and when a gunshot is fired all the microphones that can hear it go "WHOA WE HEARD A GUNSHOT" and a computer program provides a rapid triangulation of the location based on the microphones' timing and dispatches the police
Whoa, cool, I didn't realize they sold a civilian version. I worked on a military version and it was pretty tricky to model sound propagation in urban terrain. Any idea how accurate it is? A meter? A block?
posted by indubitable at 7:07 AM on December 9, 2015
Whoa, cool, I didn't realize they sold a civilian version. I worked on a military version and it was pretty tricky to model sound propagation in urban terrain. Any idea how accurate it is? A meter? A block?
posted by indubitable at 7:07 AM on December 9, 2015
And as they mention in the article this map doesn't even include the most common form of gun violence, suicide
That's weird because I was looking around at my old city in just a couple of places and there was 1. Maybe because it was cop related? "officer accused of sexual assault commits suicide"
posted by LizBoBiz at 7:08 AM on December 9, 2015
That's weird because I was looking around at my old city in just a couple of places and there was 1. Maybe because it was cop related? "officer accused of sexual assault commits suicide"
posted by LizBoBiz at 7:08 AM on December 9, 2015
That's weird because I was looking around at my old city in just a couple of places and there was 1. Maybe because it was cop related?
Not just cop related in my area, there was one straight-up suicide listed, in a Hooter's parking lot... so, very public. I don't know how good their database is for that kind of thing. Maybe the ones that are in-home/less "noteworthy" are less likely to end up in the database? Because I'd imagine they don't end up in the news.
posted by suddenly, and without warning, at 7:14 AM on December 9, 2015
Not just cop related in my area, there was one straight-up suicide listed, in a Hooter's parking lot... so, very public. I don't know how good their database is for that kind of thing. Maybe the ones that are in-home/less "noteworthy" are less likely to end up in the database? Because I'd imagine they don't end up in the news.
posted by suddenly, and without warning, at 7:14 AM on December 9, 2015
I must live near a lot of those "good guys with guns".
posted by dances with hamsters at 7:16 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by dances with hamsters at 7:16 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
For those of you who find this shocking/sobering/terrifying, you have no idea how much more so it is for foreigners. I live in a city of just over 175,000 in Canada, and the closest match in size in the US I could find is Providence RI. Picking an address at random -- the state house, actually -- I see
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:38 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
There have been 13 shootings within a 2-mile radius of this point in the past year, 2 fatal and 11 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 1.24 miles away.In my city, it seems the last fatal shooting was in 1991 (and even that is uncertain -- a resident was abducted and later found shot to death in another city). There has been one homicide in each of the last two years: both times, by stabbing. A dedicated search through Google News for shootings here brings up no non-fatal shootings that I can find but keeps reminding that a Canada goose that was found shot with an arrow last April was recovering.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:38 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
They tested the shot spotter out in my neighborhood, but I think they ultimately scrapped it because they couldn't tell the difference between gunshots and firecrackers.
posted by Ham Snadwich at 7:49 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by Ham Snadwich at 7:49 AM on December 9, 2015
odinsdream: "Seriously! I can only imagine what it's like coming from some civilized part of the world. Here's an article with some actual comparisons."
Hey, we're better an Albania!
posted by octothorpe at 7:57 AM on December 9, 2015
Hey, we're better an Albania!
posted by octothorpe at 7:57 AM on December 9, 2015
> Has it ever been confirmed that there was any relationship that existed outside of the killer's head?
Hi ArbitraryAndCapricious!
Since you ask: the third of the links from the map is from November 24, and quotes the shooter as saying that she'd broken off their relationship by text message earlier that day. It also says that his phone had been collected and was expected to contain evidence about their communication, and the police had asked for a warrant to search the phone, but if I'm reading it correctly that hadn't happened yet. So, no, we don't have objective confirmation that they'd been in a relationship, but the police appear to think he's telling the truth.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 8:02 AM on December 9, 2015
Hi ArbitraryAndCapricious!
Since you ask: the third of the links from the map is from November 24, and quotes the shooter as saying that she'd broken off their relationship by text message earlier that day. It also says that his phone had been collected and was expected to contain evidence about their communication, and the police had asked for a warrant to search the phone, but if I'm reading it correctly that hadn't happened yet. So, no, we don't have objective confirmation that they'd been in a relationship, but the police appear to think he's telling the truth.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 8:02 AM on December 9, 2015
I have been home most of every day for nearly the entire past year and have heard none of these, gunshots or commotion.
The only shooting I heard (in the Queen West area of Toronto years ago) was a drive by around the corner from where I was at about 4:30pm. I was about 20 metres from it (roughly just under 22 yards) and even then it was a series of rapid but not very loud pops. If I was a bit further on I doubt I'd have even heard it.
posted by juiceCake at 8:12 AM on December 9, 2015
The only shooting I heard (in the Queen West area of Toronto years ago) was a drive by around the corner from where I was at about 4:30pm. I was about 20 metres from it (roughly just under 22 yards) and even then it was a series of rapid but not very loud pops. If I was a bit further on I doubt I'd have even heard it.
posted by juiceCake at 8:12 AM on December 9, 2015
indubitable: "Whoa, cool, I didn't realize they sold a civilian version. I worked on a military version and it was pretty tricky to model sound propagation in urban terrain. Any idea how accurate it is? A meter? A block?"
I think my city has been one of the "test sites" for the company that's selling it -- we've had it about two years and I see they're just starting to roll it out to other cities. It's definitely accurate within a block. In parts of the city where there's more gun violence, they have more sensors and it is more accurate. My impression is that within the parts of the city where it's more spread out, it can usually at least tell the cops which HALF of a block to go to, if not what house number. (In the places where it's higher-density coverage, it's very specific and generally accurate. In a court case, the testimony was that shotspotter identified a shoot as having come from within a 7-foot radius of a particular spot, with 99% confidence or whatever.) Generally what happens is, shotspotter alerts come in and the dispatch computers push that information to all the units nearby, while a human dispatcher reviews it and gets on the radio to the nearby cars to coordinate them. The 911 call center gets some kind of alert so they know that calls coming in from X radius (usually within the next 30 to 60 seconds) are probably related to the shotspotter alert, and they're able to then more quickly sort through 911 calls, so often by the time the cops are pulling into the neighborhood, they've had three or four 911 calls giving them further information.
So its primary function is to speed police response time; by the time 911 calls come in the police are already on the scene or almost there, so they're able to react immediately to people's needs. I know it's used as evidence in trials and so far that seems to be going fine, but really what it does is pre-dispatch the police to the location of the shooting so they're there 60 seconds faster.
Ham Snadwich: " I think they ultimately scrapped it because they couldn't tell the difference between gunshots and firecrackers."
Yeah, the newer technology is supposed to be able to, but there are definitely some false calls around the 4th of July holiday. It doesn't get confused by your typical teenaged hooligan firecrackers, and it copes fine with regular "firework show" fireworks (three times a week at the minor league baseball stadium), but the really BIG ones (that are illegal in this state! and you have to commit a felony to acquire them!) do confuse it. OTOH, the respond to police calls about fireworks-are-gunshots all the time over 4th of July so it's not that different.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:17 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
I think my city has been one of the "test sites" for the company that's selling it -- we've had it about two years and I see they're just starting to roll it out to other cities. It's definitely accurate within a block. In parts of the city where there's more gun violence, they have more sensors and it is more accurate. My impression is that within the parts of the city where it's more spread out, it can usually at least tell the cops which HALF of a block to go to, if not what house number. (In the places where it's higher-density coverage, it's very specific and generally accurate. In a court case, the testimony was that shotspotter identified a shoot as having come from within a 7-foot radius of a particular spot, with 99% confidence or whatever.) Generally what happens is, shotspotter alerts come in and the dispatch computers push that information to all the units nearby, while a human dispatcher reviews it and gets on the radio to the nearby cars to coordinate them. The 911 call center gets some kind of alert so they know that calls coming in from X radius (usually within the next 30 to 60 seconds) are probably related to the shotspotter alert, and they're able to then more quickly sort through 911 calls, so often by the time the cops are pulling into the neighborhood, they've had three or four 911 calls giving them further information.
So its primary function is to speed police response time; by the time 911 calls come in the police are already on the scene or almost there, so they're able to react immediately to people's needs. I know it's used as evidence in trials and so far that seems to be going fine, but really what it does is pre-dispatch the police to the location of the shooting so they're there 60 seconds faster.
Ham Snadwich: " I think they ultimately scrapped it because they couldn't tell the difference between gunshots and firecrackers."
Yeah, the newer technology is supposed to be able to, but there are definitely some false calls around the 4th of July holiday. It doesn't get confused by your typical teenaged hooligan firecrackers, and it copes fine with regular "firework show" fireworks (three times a week at the minor league baseball stadium), but the really BIG ones (that are illegal in this state! and you have to commit a felony to acquire them!) do confuse it. OTOH, the respond to police calls about fireworks-are-gunshots all the time over 4th of July so it's not that different.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:17 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
They've got some data issues with addresses in Chicago - if I run my zip code near downtown Chicago, I get 26 shootings, 4 fatal. But if I eliminate all the shootings that have been incorrectly geolocated in the Loop on that map, it's actually much, much lower, which conforms more closely with my expectations. One domestic murder-suicide, basically, which while awful and tragic is not particularly dangerous for other people.
Almost everything incorrectly located in the Loop belongs out on the south or west side. That's one of the major problems with tackling gun violence in Chicago, I think - there's a ton of it, but it's mostly gang-adjacent violence and neighborhood beefs concentrated in certain areas, and if you're not connected to those communities it's easy to dismiss it as not your problem.
posted by colbeagle at 8:19 AM on December 9, 2015
Almost everything incorrectly located in the Loop belongs out on the south or west side. That's one of the major problems with tackling gun violence in Chicago, I think - there's a ton of it, but it's mostly gang-adjacent violence and neighborhood beefs concentrated in certain areas, and if you're not connected to those communities it's easy to dismiss it as not your problem.
posted by colbeagle at 8:19 AM on December 9, 2015
But I'm a bit surprised that Philadelphia's score was so high. I didn't know the gangs were operating there.
Killadelphia?
posted by The Michael The at 8:24 AM on December 9, 2015
Killadelphia?
posted by The Michael The at 8:24 AM on December 9, 2015
There have been 39 shootings within a 1-mile radius of this point in the past year, 4 fatal and 35 non-fatal. The closest shooting was 0.13 miles away.
Just the other day, another young man that one of my kids went to school with was shot and killed. I've lost track of how many there have been.
posted by maurice at 9:13 AM on December 9, 2015
Just the other day, another young man that one of my kids went to school with was shot and killed. I've lost track of how many there have been.
posted by maurice at 9:13 AM on December 9, 2015
Mod note: Couple comments removed, "yeah but cars!" is sort of a weird swerve of a derail to toss in here.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:15 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:15 AM on December 9, 2015
Yeah, saw the Gun Violence Archive site earlier this week, considered posting about it myself. Glad you didthatmatt.
The map is absorbing, and of course for reasons we all know, not comprehensive.
The map tells me four fatal and three non-fatal in my neighborhood, but one mile and one year are both pretty arbitrary criteria for random events.
For example, it doesn't include three of the most notable recent events of this kind in my area. Each one offers a different take on gun violence in America:
We've definitely had domestic quarrel, accidental discharge, and suicide gun deaths nearby in recent years. I don't think I've ever heard of a burglary going fatal nearby. We have burglaries all the time, but it's always been B&E, not home-invasion.
I had a guy road rage me on the way home from work just last night -- not with a gun, fortunately -- but I can't help but wonder how long before we have one of these hereabouts.
posted by Herodios at 9:18 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
The map is absorbing, and of course for reasons we all know, not comprehensive.
The map tells me four fatal and three non-fatal in my neighborhood, but one mile and one year are both pretty arbitrary criteria for random events.
For example, it doesn't include three of the most notable recent events of this kind in my area. Each one offers a different take on gun violence in America:
- Bar Fight: The September 20, 2014 shooting of two women, one fatally, at a nearby bar. Basically, a drunken argument resulted in some people getting bounced just before closing time. They came back armed and just started shooting into the bar's open door, hitting these two bystanders.
- Robbery Gone Wrong: The June 30, 2014 shooting of a beloved local pub owner in an attempted robbery (broad daylight, pub closed) by an employee and his friends. A robbery "gone wrong", you have to wonder if it would even have happened, much less ended fatally if handguns weren't so readily available. Said pub is almost the nearest business to my house, certainly the nearest tavern.
- Police Overkill: The November 29, 2012 shooting of two unarmed people following a high speed police chase. Over 60 police vehicles were involved and in the end, 13 police officers fired 137 shots into the vehicle. This incident preceded the shooting of Michael Brown by Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri by almost two years, but somehow didn't achieve the same level of attention nationally. The chase began in downtown Cleveland and ended about 2.5 miles from my house.
We've definitely had domestic quarrel, accidental discharge, and suicide gun deaths nearby in recent years. I don't think I've ever heard of a burglary going fatal nearby. We have burglaries all the time, but it's always been B&E, not home-invasion.
I had a guy road rage me on the way home from work just last night -- not with a gun, fortunately -- but I can't help but wonder how long before we have one of these hereabouts.
posted by Herodios at 9:18 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
San Francisco is an interesting dichotomy.
My neighborhood on the west side of the city - well really the entire west side of the city, has only seen one gun murder this year - some traveling meth heads that killed a hiker who was camping in Golden Gate Park the weekend of Hardly Strictly Bluegrass. This was a couple hundred yards from our house, where we walk our dog every morning. It was very shocking, but again - only gun violence known on the entire west side of the metropolis.
Now look at the other side - something approaching 40-50 incidents, by my count.
The dividing line here is not better policing - I ride across this city horizontally twice a day and I live on the west side, where we see a police officer maybe 1-2 times a week. I see at least 10 police officers if not many more every time I drive through the east side of the city. The dividing line is those higher rent areas where those on the margins and struggling with addictions can't afford to live.
The interesting thing that I know won't be a popular point is the fact that I know there are plenty of gun owners living on both sides of the city - the data from Slate proves the east side, the fact that my neighbor at my first apartment in the Sunset was the president of the local NRA chapter and many of the patrons of the last gun club in the city (down at Lake Merritt, before it was closed) lived nearby there as well.
posted by allkindsoftime at 9:24 AM on December 9, 2015
My neighborhood on the west side of the city - well really the entire west side of the city, has only seen one gun murder this year - some traveling meth heads that killed a hiker who was camping in Golden Gate Park the weekend of Hardly Strictly Bluegrass. This was a couple hundred yards from our house, where we walk our dog every morning. It was very shocking, but again - only gun violence known on the entire west side of the metropolis.
Now look at the other side - something approaching 40-50 incidents, by my count.
The dividing line here is not better policing - I ride across this city horizontally twice a day and I live on the west side, where we see a police officer maybe 1-2 times a week. I see at least 10 police officers if not many more every time I drive through the east side of the city. The dividing line is those higher rent areas where those on the margins and struggling with addictions can't afford to live.
The interesting thing that I know won't be a popular point is the fact that I know there are plenty of gun owners living on both sides of the city - the data from Slate proves the east side, the fact that my neighbor at my first apartment in the Sunset was the president of the local NRA chapter and many of the patrons of the last gun club in the city (down at Lake Merritt, before it was closed) lived nearby there as well.
posted by allkindsoftime at 9:24 AM on December 9, 2015
31 shootings within a mile. 11 fatal, 20 non-fatal. An up and coming part of Brooklyn. And honestly, the numbers don't bother me. Maybe it's because I don't do much more than run errands and take the subway from where I live, combined with the fact that none of the shootings were actually near my block or my subway stop. I think also, that the shootings, unless they accidentally hit the wrong person, tend to not to be random- e.g. home invasions or muggings.
Honestly, I was more nervous about taking a walk in the woods during deer season when I lived in a rural area. Part of it is definitely privilege; I believe that "white man shot in gentrifying neighborhood" will bring down the wrath of the cops in a way that the other shootings do not. I'm not going be proud of this, but it does make taking late night walks something that I don't even consider an issue.
From a link on the page, I found this article: Mass Shootings Are Not the Real Problem. It's what I tend to bang on about in ever thread about gun violence- it's the handguns, not the rifles that cause issues.
posted by Hactar at 9:27 AM on December 9, 2015
Honestly, I was more nervous about taking a walk in the woods during deer season when I lived in a rural area. Part of it is definitely privilege; I believe that "white man shot in gentrifying neighborhood" will bring down the wrath of the cops in a way that the other shootings do not. I'm not going be proud of this, but it does make taking late night walks something that I don't even consider an issue.
From a link on the page, I found this article: Mass Shootings Are Not the Real Problem. It's what I tend to bang on about in ever thread about gun violence- it's the handguns, not the rifles that cause issues.
posted by Hactar at 9:27 AM on December 9, 2015
I was more nervous about taking a walk in the woods during deer season when I lived in a rural area.
Google "sound shot" or "noise shot" with "hunting".
People actually do this and talk about doing this as if it was in any way sensible.
People have also been "second degree manslaughtered" by hunters for wearing white mittens and / or hats near trees during deer hunting season.
For some reason, discharging a firearm at something without first determining what it is does not seem to bring the societal "you don't get to play with guns no more" that you might think it would.
posted by Herodios at 9:46 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Google "sound shot" or "noise shot" with "hunting".
People actually do this and talk about doing this as if it was in any way sensible.
People have also been "second degree manslaughtered" by hunters for wearing white mittens and / or hats near trees during deer hunting season.
For some reason, discharging a firearm at something without first determining what it is does not seem to bring the societal "you don't get to play with guns no more" that you might think it would.
posted by Herodios at 9:46 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
UK has (had - it stops at 2013) a similar page, murders by map, various weapons used. It also gives portraits of the victims.
posted by BWA at 9:51 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by BWA at 9:51 AM on December 9, 2015
http://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths
Uses CDC data to display county level firearms deaths. Three maps, overall, suicides, and murders.
Sorry, IOS has screwed up a live link 4 times, I give up for now.
posted by ridgerunner at 10:09 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Uses CDC data to display county level firearms deaths. Three maps, overall, suicides, and murders.
Sorry, IOS has screwed up a live link 4 times, I give up for now.
posted by ridgerunner at 10:09 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
They've got some data issues with addresses in Chicago
Yup, in DC as well.
I typed in my address and it said there have been two shootings within a mile of my home. However, when I clicked the two incidents that are flagged within the 1-mile-radius circle around my home, it turned out that they didn't actually occur near me at all. I live in NW DC, and the two incidents in that circle actually happened at intersections in NE DC, which are definitely more than a mile from my house. Probably a simple coding error, but I wonder how many similar coding errors appear in the database?
So I guess, neat idea, and I'm sure that it's all reasonably accurate at the macro level, but when you get down to the really granular level it seems like there might be some issues with the data.
posted by schroedingersgirl at 10:19 AM on December 9, 2015
Yup, in DC as well.
I typed in my address and it said there have been two shootings within a mile of my home. However, when I clicked the two incidents that are flagged within the 1-mile-radius circle around my home, it turned out that they didn't actually occur near me at all. I live in NW DC, and the two incidents in that circle actually happened at intersections in NE DC, which are definitely more than a mile from my house. Probably a simple coding error, but I wonder how many similar coding errors appear in the database?
So I guess, neat idea, and I'm sure that it's all reasonably accurate at the macro level, but when you get down to the really granular level it seems like there might be some issues with the data.
posted by schroedingersgirl at 10:19 AM on December 9, 2015
PS - for anyone who finds errors in the map, you might want to report them using the contact form. That's what I did.
posted by schroedingersgirl at 10:23 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by schroedingersgirl at 10:23 AM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
Google "sound shot" or "noise shot" with "hunting".
People actually do this and talk about doing this as if it was in any way sensible.
what. the fuck.
posted by suddenly, and without warning, at 10:29 AM on December 9, 2015
People actually do this and talk about doing this as if it was in any way sensible.
what. the fuck.
posted by suddenly, and without warning, at 10:29 AM on December 9, 2015
Google "sound shot" or "noise shot" with "hunting".
what. the fuck.
Yah. The fact that my father picked up on this back in the 1950s goes some way to explain why I myself have never been hunting.
My high school found it necessary to explicitly state in the rules that hunting did not qualify as an excused absence. Apparently, it previously had been and some parents assumed it still did.
posted by Herodios at 10:57 AM on December 9, 2015
what. the fuck.
Yah. The fact that my father picked up on this back in the 1950s goes some way to explain why I myself have never been hunting.
My high school found it necessary to explicitly state in the rules that hunting did not qualify as an excused absence. Apparently, it previously had been and some parents assumed it still did.
posted by Herodios at 10:57 AM on December 9, 2015
3 of the 5 shootings within a mile of me were people who were shot by the police. Lovely.
posted by zug at 11:12 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by zug at 11:12 AM on December 9, 2015
Three shootings in my suburban 'hood. Two are actually the same incident (drug deal gone bad in a store parking lot by the freeway) and they also counted the apprehension of the shooters. The only other shooting was a business owner capping an armed robber; yay Texas!
posted by Standeck at 11:33 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by Standeck at 11:33 AM on December 9, 2015
My high school found it necessary to explicitly state in the rules that hunting did not qualify as an excused absence. Apparently, it previously had been and some parents assumed it still did.
What, they don't close school for the first day of deer season where you are? That's pretty common around these parts.
posted by octothorpe at 11:57 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
What, they don't close school for the first day of deer season where you are? That's pretty common around these parts.
posted by octothorpe at 11:57 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]
Hey Herodios
I think that's why MO moved opening day for deer to Sat. That and employers complaints too.
We used to have more hunting deaths than accidents now.
WHY DOES MISSOURI REQUIRE HUNTER EDUCATION?
Hunter education has reduced hunting accidents and deaths by more than 70 percent since it became mandatory in 1987. For this reason, we recommend all hunters become hunter-education certified.
Our Hunter Education Program provides a foundation in hunting safety and ethics. It instills responsibility, improves skills and knowledge, and encourages interaction between beginner and veteran hunters.
And MO is using taxes on guns and ammo to provide St. Louis area women free pistol craft training. I'm a big fan of both of these programs, mainly because I'll be long dead and my ashes scattered before any law interferes with hunting around here, or the number of guns in the U.S. Is reduced.
DISCOVER NATURE WOMEN BEGINNING HANDGUN
Location: Jay Henges Shooting Range
Date: Feb 04, 2016 06:00 pm - Feb 04, 2016 09:00 pm
(Females, age 16 and up)
Looking to start hunting or target shooting with a handgun? This beginners program will include basic handgun operation, shooting fundamentals, safety, maintenance, and safe storage. We start with a classroom session then move to a live-fire session on the range. Although equipment and ammunition will be provided, you may bring your own handgun and ammunition to the live-fire session. Anyone under age 18 must be accompanied by an adult. To register call (636) 938-9548 ext. "0" or email Henges.Range@mdc.mo.gov
Reserve by Feb 02, 2016
posted by ridgerunner at 12:08 PM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
I think that's why MO moved opening day for deer to Sat. That and employers complaints too.
We used to have more hunting deaths than accidents now.
WHY DOES MISSOURI REQUIRE HUNTER EDUCATION?
Hunter education has reduced hunting accidents and deaths by more than 70 percent since it became mandatory in 1987. For this reason, we recommend all hunters become hunter-education certified.
Our Hunter Education Program provides a foundation in hunting safety and ethics. It instills responsibility, improves skills and knowledge, and encourages interaction between beginner and veteran hunters.
And MO is using taxes on guns and ammo to provide St. Louis area women free pistol craft training. I'm a big fan of both of these programs, mainly because I'll be long dead and my ashes scattered before any law interferes with hunting around here, or the number of guns in the U.S. Is reduced.
DISCOVER NATURE WOMEN BEGINNING HANDGUN
Location: Jay Henges Shooting Range
Date: Feb 04, 2016 06:00 pm - Feb 04, 2016 09:00 pm
(Females, age 16 and up)
Looking to start hunting or target shooting with a handgun? This beginners program will include basic handgun operation, shooting fundamentals, safety, maintenance, and safe storage. We start with a classroom session then move to a live-fire session on the range. Although equipment and ammunition will be provided, you may bring your own handgun and ammunition to the live-fire session. Anyone under age 18 must be accompanied by an adult. To register call (636) 938-9548 ext. "0" or email Henges.Range@mdc.mo.gov
Reserve by Feb 02, 2016
posted by ridgerunner at 12:08 PM on December 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
This just in: MeFites mostly live in relatively dense urban areas.
posted by Sunburnt at 4:42 PM on December 9, 2015
posted by Sunburnt at 4:42 PM on December 9, 2015
Google "sound shot" or "noise shot" with "hunting".
People actually do this and talk about doing this as if it was in any way sensible.
The term I learned for this (which dates at least to the Vietnam War, and probably earlier), is "reconnaissance by fire". A hunter got killed locally just the other week, and reading between the lines in the article it was from exactly this.
posted by Dip Flash at 7:35 PM on December 9, 2015
People actually do this and talk about doing this as if it was in any way sensible.
The term I learned for this (which dates at least to the Vietnam War, and probably earlier), is "reconnaissance by fire". A hunter got killed locally just the other week, and reading between the lines in the article it was from exactly this.
posted by Dip Flash at 7:35 PM on December 9, 2015
Zero shootings within 20 miles. But ... [i]t's just a matter of time. carmicha
AND: This afternoon, the cops in the next town over shot someone for creating a disturbance during a town hall meeting.
posted by carmicha at 7:58 PM on December 10, 2015
AND: This afternoon, the cops in the next town over shot someone for creating a disturbance during a town hall meeting.
posted by carmicha at 7:58 PM on December 10, 2015
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