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May 6, 2002 9:11 AM Subscribe
This has to be the funniest article I've seen in a long time. Those wacky Palestinians.
Okay, let me get this straight....Isreali propoganda to snuff Palestinian propoganda....means that either:
1) This is a real story, meaning the Palestinian's inability to create propoganda is undermined by the 'truth' of Israeli media, or...
2) This story is in itself propoganda...and it was fabricated by the Israelis to cover up Palestinian propoganda involving the massacres that occured.In essence, the best propoganda machine wins.
My head hurts
posted by tiger yang at 9:49 AM on May 6, 2002
1) This is a real story, meaning the Palestinian's inability to create propoganda is undermined by the 'truth' of Israeli media, or...
2) This story is in itself propoganda...and it was fabricated by the Israelis to cover up Palestinian propoganda involving the massacres that occured.In essence, the best propoganda machine wins.
My head hurts
posted by tiger yang at 9:49 AM on May 6, 2002
To my untrained eye, those are kids, youngsters, playing with something that is very natural for them: death
Nothing conclusive, IMHO.
posted by samelborp at 10:19 AM on May 6, 2002
Nothing conclusive, IMHO.
posted by samelborp at 10:19 AM on May 6, 2002
the best propoganda machine wins
World politics, in a nutshell.
posted by ook at 10:20 AM on May 6, 2002
World politics, in a nutshell.
posted by ook at 10:20 AM on May 6, 2002
In essence, the best propoganda machine wins.
Well, that and a bunch of guns.
posted by dogmatic at 10:37 AM on May 6, 2002
Well, that and a bunch of guns.
posted by dogmatic at 10:37 AM on May 6, 2002
I can't tell what the heck is going on in that distant, blurry thing. Looked like 5 ninjas carrying a green door back from Home Depot.
I can't find the thread, but something similar was posted recently. Another blurry video of some people moving around. The site displaying the stills claimed that Israelis had beaten and arrested a Palestinian, planted fake suicide-bombing paraphernalia on the site and then gone through the motions of safe-defusing the "bomb" in order to make their arrest appear more legitimate.
I couldn't see shit in that one, either.
My point is: posting low-quality video with interpretive discourse is not journalism. The folks who do it offer this air of eyewitness-legitimacy, but it's bunk when the video itself shows nothing clear (like 3 cops continually beating a prone suspect). I'd rather receive the story, sans video, from a reputable news source.
posted by scarabic at 10:43 AM on May 6, 2002
I can't find the thread, but something similar was posted recently. Another blurry video of some people moving around. The site displaying the stills claimed that Israelis had beaten and arrested a Palestinian, planted fake suicide-bombing paraphernalia on the site and then gone through the motions of safe-defusing the "bomb" in order to make their arrest appear more legitimate.
I couldn't see shit in that one, either.
My point is: posting low-quality video with interpretive discourse is not journalism. The folks who do it offer this air of eyewitness-legitimacy, but it's bunk when the video itself shows nothing clear (like 3 cops continually beating a prone suspect). I'd rather receive the story, sans video, from a reputable news source.
posted by scarabic at 10:43 AM on May 6, 2002
"'Good morrow, fool,' quoth I. 'No, sir,' quoth he,
'Call me not fool till heaven hath sent me fortune:'
And then he drew a dial from his poke,
And, looking on it with lack-lustre eye,
Says very wisely, 'It is ten o'clock:
Thus we may see,' quoth he, 'how the world wags.'
The Middle East is the dog. We are its tail. How the world wags, indeed.
posted by ZachsMind at 10:53 AM on May 6, 2002
'Call me not fool till heaven hath sent me fortune:'
And then he drew a dial from his poke,
And, looking on it with lack-lustre eye,
Says very wisely, 'It is ten o'clock:
Thus we may see,' quoth he, 'how the world wags.'
The Middle East is the dog. We are its tail. How the world wags, indeed.
posted by ZachsMind at 10:53 AM on May 6, 2002
Imagine your life being so fucked-up that it ever even crossed your mind to stage a fake funeral. Yeah, those wacky Palestinians.
posted by skylar at 11:24 AM on May 6, 2002
posted by skylar at 11:24 AM on May 6, 2002
Imagine your life being so fucked-up that it ever even crossed your mind to stage a fake funeral. Yeah, those wacky Palestinians.
Imagine your parents having fucked up your life so bad that you don't know the difference between decency; and lies, propaganda; leadership and Yasser Arafat's mafia.
posted by ParisParamus at 11:30 AM on May 6, 2002
Imagine your parents having fucked up your life so bad that you don't know the difference between decency; and lies, propaganda; leadership and Yasser Arafat's mafia.
posted by ParisParamus at 11:30 AM on May 6, 2002
Or they were trying to smuggle a wanted man out of the area, and did it by faking a funeral.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:43 AM on May 6, 2002
posted by five fresh fish at 11:43 AM on May 6, 2002
FFF: were the Palestinians jumping for joy at Iraq's scuds making it to Israel; and those jubilant at the WTC attacks creating diversions for smuggling men out of the area?
posted by ParisParamus at 11:46 AM on May 6, 2002
posted by ParisParamus at 11:46 AM on May 6, 2002
I couldn't see shit in that one, either
Me neither. As much as I enjoyed this Arab Monty Phyton thing, why don't we just allow a few UN observers in there and try to really figure out what happened
posted by matteo at 11:48 AM on May 6, 2002
Me neither. As much as I enjoyed this Arab Monty Phyton thing, why don't we just allow a few UN observers in there and try to really figure out what happened
posted by matteo at 11:48 AM on May 6, 2002
Imagine your parents having fucked up your life so bad that you don't know the difference between decency; and lies, propaganda; leadership and Yasser Arafat's mafia.
Imagine your parents having fucked up your life so bad that you don't know the difference between decency; and lies, propaganda; leadership and G.W. Bush's mafia.
And we can go on and on, don't you think Paramus?
Who's right, then?
Khal-El, maybe? He was rised in a starship from Krypton!
posted by samelborp at 12:50 PM on May 6, 2002
Imagine your parents having fucked up your life so bad that you don't know the difference between decency; and lies, propaganda; leadership and G.W. Bush's mafia.
And we can go on and on, don't you think Paramus?
Who's right, then?
Khal-El, maybe? He was rised in a starship from Krypton!
posted by samelborp at 12:50 PM on May 6, 2002
"were the Palestinians jumping for joy at Iraq's scuds making it to Israel; and those jubilant at the WTC attacks creating diversions for smuggling men out of the area?"
was that intended to be relevant or comprehensible? if the incident you're referring to was not staged (which to this day is not clear), then it is an example of extraordinarily irresponsible journalism driven by an equally hateful agenda.
posted by aLienated at 1:03 PM on May 6, 2002
was that intended to be relevant or comprehensible? if the incident you're referring to was not staged (which to this day is not clear), then it is an example of extraordinarily irresponsible journalism driven by an equally hateful agenda.
posted by aLienated at 1:03 PM on May 6, 2002
ParisParamus - I don't care what your opinion is of me or my parents.
What I am saying is that for anyone, even "Yasser Arafat's mafia", to be staging a funeral, things must have got pretty bad. I'd wager that you don't see that many fake funerals in Houston or Chicago.
So like Matteo says... let's get some UN investigators (yes, "investigators") in there to find out what is really going on.
posted by skylar at 1:18 PM on May 6, 2002
What I am saying is that for anyone, even "Yasser Arafat's mafia", to be staging a funeral, things must have got pretty bad. I'd wager that you don't see that many fake funerals in Houston or Chicago.
So like Matteo says... let's get some UN investigators (yes, "investigators") in there to find out what is really going on.
posted by skylar at 1:18 PM on May 6, 2002
...and if it was staged, then it was done for the sake of that same hateful agenda.
To be seen on Fox's "When Propaganda Goes Wrong!."
posted by mkn at 1:18 PM on May 6, 2002
To be seen on Fox's "When Propaganda Goes Wrong!."
posted by mkn at 1:18 PM on May 6, 2002
What I am saying is that for anyone, even "Yasser Arafat's mafia", to be staging a funeral, things must have got pretty bad. I'd wager that you don't see that many fake funerals in Houston or Chicago.
I don't disagree with you, although there is something faintly reminiscent of Yasser Arafat in Al Sharpton and other locals of his ilk.
The UN has demonstrated itself incapable of mounting anything objective when it comes to Israel (or probably, any country). What's open to debate is whether Israel helped or harmed itself more by adopting the "no investigation" strategy.
posted by ParisParamus at 1:36 PM on May 6, 2002
I don't disagree with you, although there is something faintly reminiscent of Yasser Arafat in Al Sharpton and other locals of his ilk.
The UN has demonstrated itself incapable of mounting anything objective when it comes to Israel (or probably, any country). What's open to debate is whether Israel helped or harmed itself more by adopting the "no investigation" strategy.
posted by ParisParamus at 1:36 PM on May 6, 2002
I'm skeptical of any news that comes from a site named "Israeli Insider". Let's face it, the site has a bias. At the same time, I get skeptical of all the skepticism. The Palestinian reaction to the WTC bombing staged? The WTC bombing itself staged, by Jews that didn't show up for work that day? Jenin as a battle staged in order to provide cover for an intended massacre? The list goes on and on. Really, I think a lot of it comes from the same wacko mentality that leads people to believe that the moon landing was staged. There is no amount of evidence that conspiracy theorists won't twist or ignore in order to tailor their conclusions to their own absolutist point of view.
posted by xammerboy at 1:36 PM on May 6, 2002
posted by xammerboy at 1:36 PM on May 6, 2002
Israel Insider may be biased, but it's an excellent site that holds itself to very high standards.
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