Will the 9/11 case finally go to trial?
September 11, 2017 1:38 PM Subscribe
Crime and Punishment is a Letter from Washington on the Harper's blog that details the current state of play of a court case that "...grew out of a suit filed in 2002 on behalf of bereaved family members and other victims of the attacks...". The post also ranges over the history of the investigation of the 9/11 attacks during all three of the presidential administrations involved, as well as the relationship of each administration with Saudi Arabia.
This is one of those things we all know is happening on some level but it's staggering to see it laid out nice and clear like this.
posted by The Whelk at 5:45 PM on September 11, 2017 [5 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 5:45 PM on September 11, 2017 [5 favorites]
Well, that doesn't make Mueller look very good. After so many claiming he's super ethical lately, this is not inspiring confidence in me.
He's certainly very professional! And there are certain kinds of ethics, like when you become a lawyer and wanna be admitted to the bar they tell you to follow certain legal ethics, or various government agencies have designated ethics offices, that I bet he definitely is super good at. And those aren't nothing.
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 5:59 PM on September 11, 2017
He's certainly very professional! And there are certain kinds of ethics, like when you become a lawyer and wanna be admitted to the bar they tell you to follow certain legal ethics, or various government agencies have designated ethics offices, that I bet he definitely is super good at. And those aren't nothing.
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 5:59 PM on September 11, 2017
Excellent link, thanks so much.
The article raises, but does not answer the question of why Obama helped perpetuate this scandal.
Bush and 45, I can understand. But what did Obama get from sucking up to the Saudis? I wonder if we'll ever know.
posted by jasper411 at 6:31 PM on September 11, 2017 [4 favorites]
The article raises, but does not answer the question of why Obama helped perpetuate this scandal.
Bush and 45, I can understand. But what did Obama get from sucking up to the Saudis? I wonder if we'll ever know.
posted by jasper411 at 6:31 PM on September 11, 2017 [4 favorites]
Losing military bases in Saudi would have been a great way to end up a one-term President. Hate it all you want, but that's just reality.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:54 PM on September 11, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by tobascodagama at 6:54 PM on September 11, 2017 [1 favorite]
One of the big benefits of "freeing" Iraq was supposed to be that it gave the US a new place to put permanent military bases, reducing the need for Saudi Arabian soil, and thereby reducing the animosity from those parts of the Saudi family and population that felt occupied.
Not really working out that way just yet, but maybe given the half-done nature of what he inherited, Obama was hoping things would just work out that way after all.
posted by rokusan at 7:34 PM on September 11, 2017 [1 favorite]
Not really working out that way just yet, but maybe given the half-done nature of what he inherited, Obama was hoping things would just work out that way after all.
posted by rokusan at 7:34 PM on September 11, 2017 [1 favorite]
Also, there was that time that Russia was getting aggressive in Ukraine and Saudi Arabia conveniently decided to keep their oil production high and let oil prices fall, thus causing economic woes at home for Putin.
I mean it's just speculation, and the Saudi's had their own reasons as far as torpedoing natural gas field development deals by making them seem less appealing. Still, it was awfully convenient timing.
posted by Zalzidrax at 9:49 PM on September 11, 2017
I mean it's just speculation, and the Saudi's had their own reasons as far as torpedoing natural gas field development deals by making them seem less appealing. Still, it was awfully convenient timing.
posted by Zalzidrax at 9:49 PM on September 11, 2017
The US closed up its military bases in Saudi after 9/11. The other stuff about a Mideast ally and oil price manipulation and arms sales maybe makes sense, but the military bases? Except for a few training units, all gone by 2003.
posted by notyou at 10:15 PM on September 11, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by notyou at 10:15 PM on September 11, 2017 [3 favorites]
like this is where I have sympathy for conspiracy theorists except they never allow that people in charge are also really dumb and greedy and willing to kick the can down the line forever. Yeah, it's way more important the US keep a strategic defense contract partner and oil business then actually investigate who blew up a major city.
I mean it's not like anyone THEY know died.
when you put it like that its so naked and cynical you almost just refuse to see it.
posted by The Whelk at 12:50 AM on September 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
I mean it's not like anyone THEY know died.
when you put it like that its so naked and cynical you almost just refuse to see it.
posted by The Whelk at 12:50 AM on September 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
Mueller actually is Deep State
posted by moorooka at 2:17 AM on September 12, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by moorooka at 2:17 AM on September 12, 2017 [2 favorites]
Bush and 45, I can understand. But what did Obama get from sucking up to the Saudis? I wonder if we'll ever know.
-- jasper411
So you think the Valentine's Day promises made aboard the USS Quincy near their expiry? It's but a perennial whisper among investors since before you were born. Yeah, the Prophet liked green, but so do desert people and Standard Oil of California. Who knows? With climate change, a few shifts of current below and above might terraform the region by terms yet surveyed.
*telephone rings*
Yes? No. No. The falconer's not available. Sure.
What was I saying? Sea changes...that's right. Nobody believes me, but I knew Herbert, personally. I'll tell you what he said if you can keep it under your hat. You want a steak sandwich? I'm not finishing that one. Really. They're delivered every Thursday. Two steak sandwiches and a bottle of Scotch whiskey. I used to care by whom, but not any more. Not after she ...
*telephone rings*
What's that? No, it's AABA, and heed the rumble of a distant drum. No problem.
Murder is music to some men, you know? Yeah. Murder. So where was I?
posted by lazycomputerkids at 2:39 AM on September 12, 2017
-- jasper411
So you think the Valentine's Day promises made aboard the USS Quincy near their expiry? It's but a perennial whisper among investors since before you were born. Yeah, the Prophet liked green, but so do desert people and Standard Oil of California. Who knows? With climate change, a few shifts of current below and above might terraform the region by terms yet surveyed.
*telephone rings*
Yes? No. No. The falconer's not available. Sure.
What was I saying? Sea changes...that's right. Nobody believes me, but I knew Herbert, personally. I'll tell you what he said if you can keep it under your hat. You want a steak sandwich? I'm not finishing that one. Really. They're delivered every Thursday. Two steak sandwiches and a bottle of Scotch whiskey. I used to care by whom, but not any more. Not after she ...
*telephone rings*
What's that? No, it's AABA, and heed the rumble of a distant drum. No problem.
Murder is music to some men, you know? Yeah. Murder. So where was I?
posted by lazycomputerkids at 2:39 AM on September 12, 2017
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"...the two hijackers had been close with an FBI informant, Abdussattar Shaikh. Hazmi had actually lived in his house after Mihdhar left town. Shaikh failed to mention his young Saudi friends’ last names in regular reports to his FBI case officer, or that they were taking flying lessons. Understandably, the investigators had a lot of questions for this man. Nevertheless, Mueller adamantly refused their demands to interview him, even when backed by a congressional subpoena, and removed Shaikh to an undisclosed location “for his own safety.” Today, Graham believes that Mueller was acting under orders from the White House."
Well, that doesn't make Mueller look very good. After so many claiming he's super ethical lately, this is not inspiring confidence in me.
posted by Rufous-headed Towhee heehee at 3:58 PM on September 11, 2017 [8 favorites]