The Myth of the ‘Underage Woman’
August 16, 2019 7:00 AM Subscribe
Throughout a number of sexual harassment and assault cases involving girls in recent memory, the press has been using a specific term of art to describe the victims - underage women. Writing for The Atlantic, Megan Garber discusses how this term affects how we see these crimes, and what it says about our cultural views of women and girls. (SLThe Atlantic)
Compare and contrast with the fact that men who rape girls get the "boys will be boys" treatment well into their 20s.
posted by jacquilynne at 7:18 AM on August 16, 2019 [43 favorites]
posted by jacquilynne at 7:18 AM on August 16, 2019 [43 favorites]
Compare and contrast with the fact that men who rape girls get the "boys will be boys" treatment well into their 20s. 60s, if not older.
The "underaged women" phrase turns my stomach. I can see why someone's defense lawyer would use that phrasing, but it doesn't belong in journalism and other commentary.
posted by Dip Flash at 7:32 AM on August 16, 2019 [30 favorites]
The "underaged women" phrase turns my stomach. I can see why someone's defense lawyer would use that phrasing, but it doesn't belong in journalism and other commentary.
posted by Dip Flash at 7:32 AM on August 16, 2019 [30 favorites]
underage:woman::square:circle
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 7:33 AM on August 16, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 7:33 AM on August 16, 2019 [1 favorite]
Sickening. In the same vein as "prostitution of a minor."
posted by n. moon at 7:50 AM on August 16, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by n. moon at 7:50 AM on August 16, 2019 [4 favorites]
the onion skewers the phrase pretty effectively, too, ending with "And what’s the difference between underage men and children? No clue. I’ve never heard the phrase “underage men.”"
(but i have: articles about bryan singer used the phrase.)
posted by Clowder of bats at 8:06 AM on August 16, 2019 [13 favorites]
(but i have: articles about bryan singer used the phrase.)
posted by Clowder of bats at 8:06 AM on August 16, 2019 [13 favorites]
Ah, yes, "sex with underage women." Meaning, "raping girls."
This phrase makes me rage so hard I see red.
posted by fiercecupcake at 8:37 AM on August 16, 2019 [21 favorites]
This phrase makes me rage so hard I see red.
posted by fiercecupcake at 8:37 AM on August 16, 2019 [21 favorites]
Every time I see it I complain. It makes me furious.
posted by praemunire at 9:00 AM on August 16, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by praemunire at 9:00 AM on August 16, 2019 [4 favorites]
BTW, Tressie McMillan Cottom has an essay that touches on this, among other issues, in Thick--I think it's "Black Girlhood, Interrupted." (Thick is impressive so you should read it anyway.)
posted by praemunire at 9:02 AM on August 16, 2019 [7 favorites]
posted by praemunire at 9:02 AM on August 16, 2019 [7 favorites]
Much the same as 'child pornography'. There is no such thing, only images of child abuse/indecent images of children.
We should not use indirect language, all of these things need to be granted the gravity of the correct words.
posted by RandomInconsistencies at 9:15 AM on August 16, 2019 [5 favorites]
We should not use indirect language, all of these things need to be granted the gravity of the correct words.
posted by RandomInconsistencies at 9:15 AM on August 16, 2019 [5 favorites]
The wide use of the term "underage women" is insane in a day (that is, 2019) when we still have to remind each other to refer to fully adult females as "women" in so many contexts.
It's almost like it's intentional.
posted by Dashy at 10:02 AM on August 16, 2019 [24 favorites]
It's almost like it's intentional.
posted by Dashy at 10:02 AM on August 16, 2019 [24 favorites]
Someone on CBC radio this morning talking about the Epstein case used "girls", and it jumped out at me. It's so unusual that it took me a couple of seconds before I was, like, "Yeah, duh, why don't they say that all the time?"
posted by clawsoon at 10:21 AM on August 16, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by clawsoon at 10:21 AM on August 16, 2019 [1 favorite]
Wow, this is worse than "female".
posted by symbioid at 11:45 AM on August 16, 2019 [7 favorites]
posted by symbioid at 11:45 AM on August 16, 2019 [7 favorites]
I once saw the text of testimony given by a woman who procured twelve and thirteen year old girls for Jeffrey Epstein, and it included the even more disgusting euphemism "adolescent women". I do not understand why she wasn't corrected on that.
posted by orange swan at 4:06 PM on August 16, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by orange swan at 4:06 PM on August 16, 2019 [4 favorites]
This is something that makes me furious and I won't fail to point it out.
And the correct term is child rape.
posted by bongo_x at 12:37 AM on August 17, 2019 [2 favorites]
And the correct term is child rape.
posted by bongo_x at 12:37 AM on August 17, 2019 [2 favorites]
I have heard the term child/underage sex worker as well from people trying to be progressive. Please stop!
posted by vanitas at 2:49 AM on August 17, 2019
posted by vanitas at 2:49 AM on August 17, 2019
Did anyone else read the paragraph about our culture fetishizing youth, and the immediately get served a Sephora ad for moisturizer that “Clears the way for youthful skin”? Thanks for putting such a fine point on it, late-stage capitalism. I don’t know whether to laugh or barf.
posted by Cecilia Rose at 8:43 AM on August 17, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by Cecilia Rose at 8:43 AM on August 17, 2019 [4 favorites]
Today in Raw Story (saw it earlier, just can't care enough to go find the link): Underage girl forced to give up her virginity to Epstein.
I mean, there are two -distinct- qualifiers for rape in that sentence, but they couldn't seem to identify either of them.
posted by Dashy at 5:58 PM on August 21, 2019 [2 favorites]
I mean, there are two -distinct- qualifiers for rape in that sentence, but they couldn't seem to identify either of them.
posted by Dashy at 5:58 PM on August 21, 2019 [2 favorites]
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