Kamala Harris: Let’s Win This
July 21, 2024 8:23 PM Subscribe
Vice President Kamala Harris has announced her intention to run for the Presidency as the Democratic nominee. Within hours of Biden’s withdrawal and endorsement of Harris, the money and endorsements began pouring in, as a stampeding horde of Members of Congress, state and local organizers, and DNC delegates expressed their support for Harris’ campaign.
This post was deleted for the following reason: Sorry, but even within the whirlwind of events, the site's purpose is to filter and post the best articles, explainers, etc. for people to discuss, and not just a wikipedia link. We can take the time to do a more in-depth post on this, I think, and hopefully make it not simply a repetitive bifurcation of the "Biden Resigns" thread. -- taz
I posted this in the Biden thread but i'll post it here too:
I just submitted an overseas voter application. It's a hassle, and i wasn't going to vote for Biden, period. But if Harris is the nominee, i'll at least consider jumping through the hoops. (My US domicile for voting purposes is a red state, of course, so it doesn't really matter either way.)
Don't get me wrong. I loathe Harris. But i loathe her slightly less than Biden, and i'm willing to concede that there is actually a lesser evil in the race now and put my vote where my mouth is.
posted by adrienneleigh at 8:30 PM on July 21 [7 favorites]
I just submitted an overseas voter application. It's a hassle, and i wasn't going to vote for Biden, period. But if Harris is the nominee, i'll at least consider jumping through the hoops. (My US domicile for voting purposes is a red state, of course, so it doesn't really matter either way.)
Don't get me wrong. I loathe Harris. But i loathe her slightly less than Biden, and i'm willing to concede that there is actually a lesser evil in the race now and put my vote where my mouth is.
posted by adrienneleigh at 8:30 PM on July 21 [7 favorites]
I'm feeling so energized and excited.
Treasie McMillan Cottom : Kamala Harris or Bust
posted by ichomp at 8:30 PM on July 21 [7 favorites]
Treasie McMillan Cottom : Kamala Harris or Bust
posted by ichomp at 8:30 PM on July 21 [7 favorites]
I respectfully suggest that this thread may overlap too much with the Joe Biden Steps Down as Democratic Nominee Presumptive that was opened just a few hours ago and is still very active. I'm not sure we need two threads on such closely related topics open at the same time.
posted by ElKevbo at 8:31 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
posted by ElKevbo at 8:31 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
Harris is already bringing the heat tonight, echoing her 2020 ad:
Her 2020 ad was a scorcher.
posted by darkstar at 8:32 PM on July 21 [13 favorites]
I prosecuted sex predators. Trump is one.
I shut down for-profit scam colleges. He ran one.
I held big banks accountable. He's owned by them.
I'm not just prepared to take on Trump, I'm prepared to beat him.
Her 2020 ad was a scorcher.
posted by darkstar at 8:32 PM on July 21 [13 favorites]
A combination of mental conditions renders me incapable of experiencing most positive emotions, at least to the extent that neurotypical people do. Feelings such as excitement, enthusiasm and even joy are all but alien to me. So I hope you will understand the significance when I say:
I am cautiously optimistic about this.
posted by Faint of Butt at 8:32 PM on July 21 [40 favorites]
I am cautiously optimistic about this.
posted by Faint of Butt at 8:32 PM on July 21 [40 favorites]
This is exciting! Run with it!
posted by mazola at 8:35 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
posted by mazola at 8:35 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
darkstar - Mary L. Trump retweeted that Harris tweet tonight. The original tweet was from 2019, apparently.
posted by Diskeater at 8:37 PM on July 21 [2 favorites]
posted by Diskeater at 8:37 PM on July 21 [2 favorites]
(I know the topics overlap a fair bit, but it seemed that some people really wanted to unpack a lot of Joe Biden’s politics and legacy in the other thread, while others wanted to focus on Harris as candidate in her own right. And the other thread was already over 700 comments. But if the mods decide they need to nuke this thread, I understand.)
posted by darkstar at 8:38 PM on July 21 [11 favorites]
posted by darkstar at 8:38 PM on July 21 [11 favorites]
Why would a zionist former attorney general who made a career out of putting black people in prison choose an antizionist Black Lives Matter activist as her running mate? Because they share their race, gender, and party affiliation? Vote for these people if you think that's pragmatic, but you have a responsibilty to understand who they are, what they've done, and how we got to this situation.
posted by jy4m at 8:41 PM on July 21 [5 favorites]
posted by jy4m at 8:41 PM on July 21 [5 favorites]
Her running mate will likely be Kelly, Beshear, or Shapiro. Personally I like Kelly and he would get replaced by a Dem in the senate.
posted by Justinian at 8:47 PM on July 21 [8 favorites]
posted by Justinian at 8:47 PM on July 21 [8 favorites]
The Democrats who have endorsed Kamala Harris to replace Biden as nominee [The Washington Post]: We’re combing statements from 263 congressional Democrats and 23 Democratic governors.
posted by mazola at 8:49 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
posted by mazola at 8:49 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
I didn't want to say it outright, but after the debate performance, unless Biden could turn around his ability to communicate by the convention I certainly did not feel sanguine sliding into the general with he and TFG being the choice given to battleground state swing voters.
It was the 2010 election that came down to just a close margin of 1 out of 60 votes that put Harris in as AG in California, and remember rooting for her in the recount, since I thought she had a future in the party that could even maybe match Obama's.
And here we are!
posted by torokunai at 8:51 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
It was the 2010 election that came down to just a close margin of 1 out of 60 votes that put Harris in as AG in California, and remember rooting for her in the recount, since I thought she had a future in the party that could even maybe match Obama's.
And here we are!
posted by torokunai at 8:51 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
Vote for these people if you think that's pragmatic, but you have a responsibilty to understand who they are, what they've done, and how we got to this situation.
Oh, I totally understand how we got to this situation - it's because not enough voters WERE pragmatic and sat on their hands instead of voting to ensure the worse candidate DIDN'T win.
You will note that I didn't specify which election. That's because this has been happening frequently throughout my entire 54 years on this planet, and it seems to be exclusively something that plagues the left.
Hold the candidates to high standards by all means - but you have a responsibility to understand that not voting for a given candidate simply because they aren't the unicorn you were hoping for carries the risk of someone even worse winning the day.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:55 PM on July 21 [38 favorites]
Oh, I totally understand how we got to this situation - it's because not enough voters WERE pragmatic and sat on their hands instead of voting to ensure the worse candidate DIDN'T win.
You will note that I didn't specify which election. That's because this has been happening frequently throughout my entire 54 years on this planet, and it seems to be exclusively something that plagues the left.
Hold the candidates to high standards by all means - but you have a responsibility to understand that not voting for a given candidate simply because they aren't the unicorn you were hoping for carries the risk of someone even worse winning the day.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:55 PM on July 21 [38 favorites]
“Now, We Beat Trump.” Michael Moore, 21 July 2024
posted by ob1quixote at 8:56 PM on July 21 [7 favorites]
posted by ob1quixote at 8:56 PM on July 21 [7 favorites]
>you have a responsibilty to understand who they are, what they've done, and how we got to this situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fzJ_AYajA
posted by torokunai at 8:56 PM on July 21 [5 favorites]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fzJ_AYajA
posted by torokunai at 8:56 PM on July 21 [5 favorites]
Until the Supreme Court decision that made all crime legal if you happen to be Donald Trump, I was not going to vote for a major party. That ruling is so scary that I was willing to vote for Biden to block Trump, but with great reluctance.
I am now actually excited to vote, and it's not because I'm in love with Harris' record. It's because it feels like there are actual possibilities. If she's elected, this will not be another four years of kicking the can down the fucking road. Things will be different. Will they be better? I don't know. I can't see that future, at all. But until today, I saw two possible futures, and one was apocalyptic, and one was sad, but both were familiar. This is not familiar, and that's good. I want to see where this road will go.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:57 PM on July 21 [22 favorites]
I am now actually excited to vote, and it's not because I'm in love with Harris' record. It's because it feels like there are actual possibilities. If she's elected, this will not be another four years of kicking the can down the fucking road. Things will be different. Will they be better? I don't know. I can't see that future, at all. But until today, I saw two possible futures, and one was apocalyptic, and one was sad, but both were familiar. This is not familiar, and that's good. I want to see where this road will go.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:57 PM on July 21 [22 favorites]
I thought America could never elect a Black man with the middle name "Hussein" president. I was wrong. I thought America could never elect a clown like Donald Trump president. I was wrong there too. Nobody knows who America can't elect president. I'm all in for Harris. FUCK YES. She's not perfect, but I'm ride or die already.
posted by rikschell at 8:59 PM on July 21 [38 favorites]
posted by rikschell at 8:59 PM on July 21 [38 favorites]
From the previous thread:
10:38 PM EST: 34,000+ people are on this Zoom now. On a Sunday night before work. Wait until these women go out into their communities and organize voters.
That...is higher than the attendance at the RNC.
On one volunteer call.
posted by greenland at 9:03 PM on July 21 [34 favorites]
10:38 PM EST: 34,000+ people are on this Zoom now. On a Sunday night before work. Wait until these women go out into their communities and organize voters.
That...is higher than the attendance at the RNC.
On one volunteer call.
posted by greenland at 9:03 PM on July 21 [34 favorites]
Less than a day in and we're already complaining about how the only hope left to avoid fascism isn't good enough.
posted by Dr. Twist at 9:10 PM on July 21 [14 favorites]
posted by Dr. Twist at 9:10 PM on July 21 [14 favorites]
Oh, I totally understand how we got to this situation - it's because not enough voters WERE pragmatic and sat on their hands instead of voting to ensure the worse candidate DIDN'T win.
A lack of pragmatism is very seldom the reason people don't vote. Voter suppression plays a big part. So does a belief that none of the options will make a difference in your life.
It is, after all, very pragmatic to spend your afternoon after work resting instead of dealing with a long trip and a lot of hassle to do something that has almost no practical impact. Even if you live in a swing state, the election won't turn on your vote.
You don't get people to change that thinking by scolding people for not voting. You do it by giving them a candidate who can inspire them, and showing them reasons to vote for you, in addition to against the other guy. That's why I think Harris is going to be so much more effective as a candidate.
As many issues as I have with her, she is charismatic, and energetic. She has been talking about things that matter to people. That's what we need from a candidate.
posted by pattern juggler at 9:10 PM on July 21 [10 favorites]
A lack of pragmatism is very seldom the reason people don't vote. Voter suppression plays a big part. So does a belief that none of the options will make a difference in your life.
It is, after all, very pragmatic to spend your afternoon after work resting instead of dealing with a long trip and a lot of hassle to do something that has almost no practical impact. Even if you live in a swing state, the election won't turn on your vote.
You don't get people to change that thinking by scolding people for not voting. You do it by giving them a candidate who can inspire them, and showing them reasons to vote for you, in addition to against the other guy. That's why I think Harris is going to be so much more effective as a candidate.
As many issues as I have with her, she is charismatic, and energetic. She has been talking about things that matter to people. That's what we need from a candidate.
posted by pattern juggler at 9:10 PM on July 21 [10 favorites]
>and it seems to be exclusively something that plagues the left.
TBF, purity voters (2%) in Georgia screwed up the GOP's chances to retain/regain control of the Senate in both 2020 and 2022.
posted by torokunai at 9:10 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
TBF, purity voters (2%) in Georgia screwed up the GOP's chances to retain/regain control of the Senate in both 2020 and 2022.
posted by torokunai at 9:10 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
Abby Phillip of CNN:
40,000 people on the Win With Black Women call after Biden steps aside and endorsed VP Harris for the nomination. Wild.
posted by LostInUbe at 9:12 PM on July 21 [11 favorites]
40,000 people on the Win With Black Women call after Biden steps aside and endorsed VP Harris for the nomination. Wild.
posted by LostInUbe at 9:12 PM on July 21 [11 favorites]
>isn't good enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZiEAdpX3_o
posted by torokunai at 9:13 PM on July 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZiEAdpX3_o
posted by torokunai at 9:13 PM on July 21
🤞This is an ongoing process of support and the bottom never even dips a little. She has a ways to go and right now we can be supportive because she isn't the Mangled Apricot Hellbeast. Give the MAGA CNS a few days to get their messaging in order and we may be looking at a very different game. I would be more sanguine about this if the DNC had done more infrastructure building in red states, because my greatest fear is that anything less than a six point win is going to make the hard-core Trumpists go all nuts and Civil War II.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 9:18 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
posted by Ignorantsavage at 9:18 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
It’s the little thing that excite me - imagine next seasons’s WNBA champions going to the white house to meet with President Harris. What a fucking glorious image.
And the big things aren’t bad either - there is a fighting chance she will get a supreme court nomination next term (Thomas and Alito are 76 and 74 respectively so we live in hope….) and we could end up with a female majority court (even if still republican justice majority).
And - just to manifest it into the Universe- the Chiefs going to the Whitehouse for their three-peat. Big old hug from Kelce. Sorry - not sorry (my kid became a Chiefs fan…sooo….I guess I am now?…)
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:19 PM on July 21 [6 favorites]
And the big things aren’t bad either - there is a fighting chance she will get a supreme court nomination next term (Thomas and Alito are 76 and 74 respectively so we live in hope….) and we could end up with a female majority court (even if still republican justice majority).
And - just to manifest it into the Universe- the Chiefs going to the Whitehouse for their three-peat. Big old hug from Kelce. Sorry - not sorry (my kid became a Chiefs fan…sooo….I guess I am now?…)
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:19 PM on July 21 [6 favorites]
As of 9pm ET, grassroots supporters have raised $46.7 million through ActBlue following Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign launch. This has been the biggest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle.
posted by darkstar at 9:19 PM on July 21 [13 favorites]
posted by darkstar at 9:19 PM on July 21 [13 favorites]
anything less than a six point win is going to make the hard-core Trumpists go all nuts and Civil War II.
I assume that they're going to do that anyway, but I'd prefer it if their orders weren't coming directly from the White House.
posted by Faint of Butt at 9:21 PM on July 21 [20 favorites]
I assume that they're going to do that anyway, but I'd prefer it if their orders weren't coming directly from the White House.
posted by Faint of Butt at 9:21 PM on July 21 [20 favorites]
Not that it's important in the grand scheme of things, but 2026 will also be the 50th anniversary of the bicentennial (as I call it). It was quite a party in 1976, planning even started in 1975 if not earlier!
On the downerside, if Congress is as it is now, or zod forbid worse, expect wall-to-wall fiscal shitshows as the 2023 "compromise" package (that cost McCarthy his job apparently) will be expiring next year and we'll be treated to borrowing limit fights again.
posted by torokunai at 9:25 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
On the downerside, if Congress is as it is now, or zod forbid worse, expect wall-to-wall fiscal shitshows as the 2023 "compromise" package (that cost McCarthy his job apparently) will be expiring next year and we'll be treated to borrowing limit fights again.
posted by torokunai at 9:25 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
As of 9pm ET, grassroots supporters have raised $46.7 million through ActBlue
Yup - I’m proud to be one of the many on that. *insert Starship Troopers “I’m doing my part” Meme here*
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:29 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
Yup - I’m proud to be one of the many on that. *insert Starship Troopers “I’m doing my part” Meme here*
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:29 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
Trump raised $53 million in the 24 hours following his felony convictions -- a record for a single day that he likes to crow about.
Not anymore. ($68 million and counting as of this comment).
posted by The Bellman at 9:33 PM on July 21 [11 favorites]
Not anymore. ($68 million and counting as of this comment).
posted by The Bellman at 9:33 PM on July 21 [11 favorites]
That...is higher than the attendance at the RNC.
I'm trying to verify this before I share it but I can't find any numbers on RNC attendance. Anybody got a source?
And any candidate that could fix Google has my vote, amiright?
posted by hydrophonic at 9:37 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
I'm trying to verify this before I share it but I can't find any numbers on RNC attendance. Anybody got a source?
And any candidate that could fix Google has my vote, amiright?
posted by hydrophonic at 9:37 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
it was held in the fiserv forum, which has a listed capacity of 18k for concerts, less for other event setups, according to wikipedia
ah, their own website says 17500
posted by Clowder of bats at 9:41 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
ah, their own website says 17500
posted by Clowder of bats at 9:41 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
Tressie McMillan Cottom : Kamala Harris or Bust. Incisive as always, but the comments: do not read them.
posted by maudlin at 9:52 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
posted by maudlin at 9:52 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
In March 2017, here in Aotearoa Jacinda Ardern was elected deputy leader of the Labour Party, then in opposition. Five months later, in August 2017, with the next general election only seven (7) weeks away, the then leader of the Labour Party, Andrew Little, stood down because of poor poll results. Ardern was then unanimously elected leader. As a result Labour surged in the polls, and at that election Labour gained a significant number of seats and was able to form the next government. The rest, as they say, is history. She went on to become one of our greatest Prime Minister's ever.
Here's wishing America your Ardern moment.
posted by vac2003 at 9:53 PM on July 21 [16 favorites]
Here's wishing America your Ardern moment.
posted by vac2003 at 9:53 PM on July 21 [16 favorites]
The Washington Times is not the most unbiased source for Republican news so take what they say with a grain of salt.
Leading up to the convention, the RNC themselves seem to be the source for the 50,000 number.
As was stated above, the arena itself is in the 17-18k range but that doesn't include all the other things going on and around the convention itself. And not all those people were necessarily Republicans.
posted by LostInUbe at 9:54 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
Leading up to the convention, the RNC themselves seem to be the source for the 50,000 number.
As was stated above, the arena itself is in the 17-18k range but that doesn't include all the other things going on and around the convention itself. And not all those people were necessarily Republicans.
posted by LostInUbe at 9:54 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
As a quick note: the birtherism 2.0 thing is definitely not going to wash; the VP has to meet all the same qualifications as the President, including that of being a natural-born citizen.
posted by adrienneleigh at 10:02 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
posted by adrienneleigh at 10:02 PM on July 21 [4 favorites]
Harris has secured an endorsement from Charli XCX already on her first day as a candidate, which is promising for the youth relatability of this campaign.
posted by Apocryphon at 10:03 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
posted by Apocryphon at 10:03 PM on July 21 [3 favorites]
It's been hours. Where's Tay-Tay?
posted by kensington314 at 10:23 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
posted by kensington314 at 10:23 PM on July 21 [1 favorite]
Maybe it's just me, but if you respond to someone's post with a single, raw YouTube link with no explanation of what that link might lead to, no thank you.
My algorithm isn't jumping into bed with your algorithm without at least dinner and a glass of wine.
posted by chromecow at 10:24 PM on July 21 [6 favorites]
My algorithm isn't jumping into bed with your algorithm without at least dinner and a glass of wine.
posted by chromecow at 10:24 PM on July 21 [6 favorites]
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No more Clintons, no more Bushes, no more Obamas, no more Trumps, no more Bidens.
I hear and feel this pov, still I will happily make an exception for a Kamala Harris/Cori Bush ticket.
ETA: Yes I know she is not of those Bushes.
posted by riverlife at 8:28 PM on July 21 [10 favorites]