“Let’s not do any more questions. Let’s just listen to music.”
October 15, 2024 7:51 AM Subscribe
Once again, please imagine my response to this as the wide-eyed emoji on an Apple phone.
posted by Kitteh at 8:01 AM on October 15 [12 favorites]
posted by Kitteh at 8:01 AM on October 15 [12 favorites]
That Sinéad O'Connor is really good.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 8:05 AM on October 15 [9 favorites]
posted by paper chromatographologist at 8:05 AM on October 15 [9 favorites]
How the press is reporting on this today is incredible to behold. I can't remember the last time there was such a massive chasm separating how a normal human being reacted to seeing that Twilight Zone horror show and how the media summarized it and acted like it was absolutely normal for a presidential candidate to literally not know where he was or what he was supposed to be doing live on stage for more than half an hour.
posted by lefty lucky cat at 8:07 AM on October 15 [65 favorites]
posted by lefty lucky cat at 8:07 AM on October 15 [65 favorites]
I know it's de rigueur to dump on him, but this response to the fainting patriots makes him seem rather human. Dance as if no one is watching.
posted by chavenet at 8:09 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
posted by chavenet at 8:09 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
It's tempting to say "he's losing it" but he never had "it" to lose. Not that it matters to the cult, mind you.
posted by tommasz at 8:09 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
posted by tommasz at 8:09 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
Steven Cheung in 3..2..1.. “Well, y’know, Kamala Harris dances too! “.
posted by skyscraper at 8:19 AM on October 15 [5 favorites]
posted by skyscraper at 8:19 AM on October 15 [5 favorites]
Kamala Harris: "Hope he's okay."
During the debate, towards the end when he was really getting unhinged and doubling down on every ridiculous thing he could think of (because he could not resist the bait Harris was throwing out), I commented to my kid, “I wish Harris would just look directly at him with a concerned expression and say, ‘Donald, are you okay?’”
posted by nickmark at 8:26 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
During the debate, towards the end when he was really getting unhinged and doubling down on every ridiculous thing he could think of (because he could not resist the bait Harris was throwing out), I commented to my kid, “I wish Harris would just look directly at him with a concerned expression and say, ‘Donald, are you okay?’”
posted by nickmark at 8:26 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Attention journalists: your coverage of shit like this is why I refuse to pay you when that popup window appears on my browser. Do your fucking jobs, and I'll reconsider.
posted by aramaic at 8:27 AM on October 15 [79 favorites]
posted by aramaic at 8:27 AM on October 15 [79 favorites]
All I could think of as he's standing there, slightly swaying as the music swells and the crowds sways with him is the completely untethered, utterly amoral Kurtz, gone fully rogue from any previously known or imagined social order, bathing in the mindless, bottomless devotion of his cultist clan of fawning followers.
And all I could hear was: "The horror. The horror."
posted by thecincinnatikid at 8:28 AM on October 15 [43 favorites]
And all I could hear was: "The horror. The horror."
posted by thecincinnatikid at 8:28 AM on October 15 [43 favorites]
Don't have to answer questions or remember facts if you're just a DJ.
posted by Capt. Renault at 8:28 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
posted by Capt. Renault at 8:28 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
The NYT used their full institutional power to highlight Biden's cognitive issues. Multiple front page stories per day, editorials, every single op-ed column on some days. You can argue they were right to do this, because it was dangerous to the country not to report on it, but it definitely wasn't "neutral."
Here they continue the sanewashing.
It's tempting to say "he's losing it" but he never had "it" to lose.
People who don't like him but are forced to watch him are, in fact, saying he's on a downward trajectory the last few years. His performance in 2024 is markedly different than in 2016 or even 2020.
Since I never watch the guy, don't understand his charisma, and he was never very coherent anyway, I was skeptical of this claim for a while but the debate convinced me this was real.
posted by mark k at 8:32 AM on October 15 [30 favorites]
Here they continue the sanewashing.
It's tempting to say "he's losing it" but he never had "it" to lose.
People who don't like him but are forced to watch him are, in fact, saying he's on a downward trajectory the last few years. His performance in 2024 is markedly different than in 2016 or even 2020.
Since I never watch the guy, don't understand his charisma, and he was never very coherent anyway, I was skeptical of this claim for a while but the debate convinced me this was real.
posted by mark k at 8:32 AM on October 15 [30 favorites]
The Fox News version focuses entirely on the medical issues with the attendees and extensively quotes what he said while they were being dealt with, and has one lonely paragraph at the end: “Trump then decided not to take more questions from the crowd, calling on organizers to play music in the venue instead.” No mention of it being an entire half hour in which he stood there swaying awkwardly.
If this becomes a regular occurrence I wonder how they will handle it.
posted by egypturnash at 8:38 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
If this becomes a regular occurrence I wonder how they will handle it.
posted by egypturnash at 8:38 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
C-Span ends the recording when the talking stops and the music takes over. Full event on YouTube though.
posted by mazola at 8:47 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
posted by mazola at 8:47 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
We all know how it would be covered if it was Biden
posted by emjaybee at 8:48 AM on October 15 [32 favorites]
posted by emjaybee at 8:48 AM on October 15 [32 favorites]
Totally not weird.
posted by mazola at 8:56 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by mazola at 8:56 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
We all know how it would be covered if it was Biden
it would be out of character for Biden
posted by philip-random at 8:56 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
it would be out of character for Biden
posted by philip-random at 8:56 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
Dance as if no one is watching.
Media doesn't care, that's for sure.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 8:57 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Media doesn't care, that's for sure.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 8:57 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Perverse incentives are destroying popular journalism across the anglosphere.
I see the a similar but less pronounced bias in reporting of politics in Australia.
posted by neonamber at 9:01 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
I see the a similar but less pronounced bias in reporting of politics in Australia.
posted by neonamber at 9:01 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
Ok, I didn't realize the YouTube full event was from the official account of TFG (shakes my head). And weirder still is the way it ends. Just meandering off the stage when enough was enough.
I cannot see how their election roadmap isn't completely dirty tricks and outright illegal actions at this point.
posted by mazola at 9:02 AM on October 15 [12 favorites]
I cannot see how their election roadmap isn't completely dirty tricks and outright illegal actions at this point.
posted by mazola at 9:02 AM on October 15 [12 favorites]
“Let’s not do any more questions. Let’s just listen to music. Let’s make it into a music. Who the hell wants to hear questions, right?” he said.
LET'S MAKE IT INTO A MUSIC
posted by tiny frying pan at 9:02 AM on October 15 [30 favorites]
LET'S MAKE IT INTO A MUSIC
posted by tiny frying pan at 9:02 AM on October 15 [30 favorites]
Kamala Harris: "Hope he's okay."
The part in the beginning where Noem asks him, very patiently, "Well sir, do you want to play your song and then greet a few people, or do you wanna...?", and he just stands there, has got to be familiar to any parent of a toddler or caretaker of someone with dementia.
posted by trig at 9:03 AM on October 15 [13 favorites]
The part in the beginning where Noem asks him, very patiently, "Well sir, do you want to play your song and then greet a few people, or do you wanna...?", and he just stands there, has got to be familiar to any parent of a toddler or caretaker of someone with dementia.
posted by trig at 9:03 AM on October 15 [13 favorites]
Teleprompter: PLEASE DO TWO MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE MUSIC
posted by JoeZydeco at 9:11 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
posted by JoeZydeco at 9:11 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
Also not being covered are the complete batshit answers he gave to the questions. One question was how Trump was going to help small businesses affected by the “Democrat Covid shutdowns”. He went on a rant about gas stoves and hydrogen cars. The media needs to do better.
posted by misterpatrick at 9:12 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
posted by misterpatrick at 9:12 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
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posted by Tomorrowful at 9:13 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by Tomorrowful at 9:13 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
NY Times Pitchbot: "Is Kamala Harris’s health too good?"
posted by credulous at 9:17 AM on October 15 [48 favorites]
posted by credulous at 9:17 AM on October 15 [48 favorites]
I've read that music therapy can benefit dementia patients by reducing their anxiety, depression, and apathy, elevating their mood, and helping them to recover some cognitive function and to connect and socialize with those around them. So... at least Trump's getting some needed therapy?
This sort of thing confirms my belief that, so long as Trump loses in November, he personally will be finished politically. Four years from now he's not going to be able to eat his strained carrots without assistance, let alone run for president.
posted by orange swan at 9:18 AM on October 15 [2 favorites]
This sort of thing confirms my belief that, so long as Trump loses in November, he personally will be finished politically. Four years from now he's not going to be able to eat his strained carrots without assistance, let alone run for president.
posted by orange swan at 9:18 AM on October 15 [2 favorites]
Y'all ever actually skim the "Fact Check" section Google News? It's nearly all positively unhinged stuff that apparently sizable numbers of conservatives are falling for.
Today's sampling:
They're not only not seeing stories about Trump's increasingly obvious cognitive decline, they're being fed transparently stupid horseshit and they're eating it up.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:18 AM on October 15 [22 favorites]
Today's sampling:
- No, VP Harris didn't force the National Guard to fill a plane with hurricane relief supplies so she could pose for pictures with it.
- No, Harris wasn't fed answers via teleprompter for her Univision interview.
- No, Texas isn't allowing non-citizens to vote.
They're not only not seeing stories about Trump's increasingly obvious cognitive decline, they're being fed transparently stupid horseshit and they're eating it up.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:18 AM on October 15 [22 favorites]
Should also be mentioned that he cancelled his interview with CNBC right on the heels of cancellation his 60 Minutes interview. He is not well and yet this is a nail biter or a race. While the media has finally started to write about his obvious decline, the fact that this isn’t front page news every day is criminal.
posted by misterpatrick at 9:19 AM on October 15 [15 favorites]
posted by misterpatrick at 9:19 AM on October 15 [15 favorites]
Of course if he played The Lion and the Cobra in full and sang along to "Jerusalem" I just might reconsider my vote...
posted by credulous at 9:20 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
posted by credulous at 9:20 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
Metafilter: LET'S MAKE IT INTO A MUSIC
posted by vverse23 at 9:21 AM on October 15 [14 favorites]
posted by vverse23 at 9:21 AM on October 15 [14 favorites]
which candidate would you rather have a beer with hire as your wedding DJ
posted by allegedly at 9:21 AM on October 15 [2 favorites]
posted by allegedly at 9:21 AM on October 15 [2 favorites]
England in 1819 Percy Shelley An old, mad, blind, despised, and dying King; Princes, the dregs of their dull race, who flow Through public scorn,—mud from a muddy spring; Rulers who neither see nor feel nor know, But leechlike to their fainting country cling Till they drop, blind in blood, without a blow. A people starved and stabbed in th' untilled field; An army, whom liberticide and prey Makes as a two-edged sword to all who wield; Golden and sanguine laws which tempt and slay; Religion Christless, Godless—a book sealed; A senate, Time’s worst statute, unrepealed— Are graves from which a glorious Phantom may Burst, to illumine our tempestuous day.posted by swift at 9:23 AM on October 15 [34 favorites]
Harris is being interviewed on Fox News tomorrow night and I heard an interesting take on the strategy there.
She's not going to sway any die-hard Trump voters into switching, but perhaps she presents the image that she's even-keeled and competent enough to run the country for the next four years. And while it's okay to not vote for her, it's also okay to not vote for Trump.
posted by JoeZydeco at 9:25 AM on October 15 [14 favorites]
She's not going to sway any die-hard Trump voters into switching, but perhaps she presents the image that she's even-keeled and competent enough to run the country for the next four years. And while it's okay to not vote for her, it's also okay to not vote for Trump.
posted by JoeZydeco at 9:25 AM on October 15 [14 favorites]
From Wikipedia's article on Fred Trump (TFG's father):
Ronald Reagan, even at his most jellybean'd, would have wiped the floor with this guy.
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 9:34 AM on October 15 [5 favorites]
"In October 1991, Trump was diagnosed with "mild senile dementia", with his physician citing symptoms of "obvious memory decline in recent years" and "significant memory impairment". A few months later, another physician reported that Trump "did not know his birth date [or] age", amongst other difficulties. Mary L. Trump recounted that as her grandfather's dementia progressed, he failed to recognize people he had known for decades, including her and Donald. The latter stated that he first noticed his father exhibit symptoms of Alzheimer's in the mid-1990s"In 1991, Fred Trump would have been 84-85 and his physician had noticed significant impairment in "recent years". DJT is currently 78. Either he hasn't been properly evaluated by a doctor, or he has been and those doctors are engaging in a criminal conspiracy to hide what's becoming blatantly obvious. (Like the shittiest possible version of Season 2 of The West Wing.)
Ronald Reagan, even at his most jellybean'd, would have wiped the floor with this guy.
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 9:34 AM on October 15 [5 favorites]
And yet the race is still neck-and-neck, which no amount of thinkpieces will ever be able to adequately explain to me.
posted by mittens at 9:36 AM on October 15 [31 favorites]
posted by mittens at 9:36 AM on October 15 [31 favorites]
I don't believe any poll right now. Everyone wants a close race for click throughs.
posted by JoeZydeco at 9:38 AM on October 15 [31 favorites]
posted by JoeZydeco at 9:38 AM on October 15 [31 favorites]
those doctors are engaging in a criminal conspiracy to hide what's becoming blatantly obvious
What are they supposed to do? Confidentiality still applies even if your patient is running for president.
posted by Mitheral at 9:40 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
What are they supposed to do? Confidentiality still applies even if your patient is running for president.
posted by Mitheral at 9:40 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
NYTimes op-ed writers are already wondering what he'll play when he orders nukes launched at antifa or whatever.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 9:45 AM on October 15 [5 favorites]
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 9:45 AM on October 15 [5 favorites]
Think you are all being pretty unfair to journalists here, we'll get all the details and insight when their books come out in a couple years
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:48 AM on October 15 [54 favorites]
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:48 AM on October 15 [54 favorites]
Points to CBC for the lede:
Come on, you know the words: It's fun to stay at the Town-Hall-And-Sway!
posted by mazola at 9:51 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
Come on, you know the words: It's fun to stay at the Town-Hall-And-Sway!
posted by mazola at 9:51 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
I watched for about five minutes starting at 40+ minutes in because it looked like something happened. People start fainting from the heat and they start playing Ave Maria, but it's the wrong one and not loud enough for Trump, who stands there alternately saying "take your time, doctor," "open the doors," and "put on Pavarotti" until he gets his way on all three: they open the doors, yielding to the obvious logic that if assassins try to come in, the crowd will immediately eviscerate them; the doctor does something unseen but probably diabolical to spark life in the heat stroke victim; and they put on Pavarotti and crank it up to ear splitting. This whole little vignette looks like Scorsesi finessing a Joe Pesci rant. If Joe Pesci were twice as tall and three times as wide and 1/98th as appealing.
posted by Don Pepino at 9:53 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by Don Pepino at 9:53 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
I heard about his meltdown early this morning and had to go hunting for the story on the WaPo site. Found it down three or four stories in the daily running politics stack.
Now both the WaPo and NYT have it on their front pages, albeit not the lead stories, and in a small font, and not with a headline saying "Holy crap, Trump has utterly lost his mind"
Progress, sort of, I guess.
posted by martin q blank at 9:53 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
Now both the WaPo and NYT have it on their front pages, albeit not the lead stories, and in a small font, and not with a headline saying "Holy crap, Trump has utterly lost his mind"
Progress, sort of, I guess.
posted by martin q blank at 9:53 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
She's not going to sway any die-hard Trump voters into switching, but perhaps she presents the image that she's even-keeled and competent enough to run the country for the next four years. And while it's okay to not vote for her, it's also okay to not vote for Trump.
I like to think that the victims of the maga long-con, who for nine years have been rationalizing away the cognitive dissonance and literally can't perceive things like, "senile old man stands there swaying to music for 39 minutes instead of taking questions at a town hall" are in the minority, and there's a whole lot of Republicans who are just looking for an excuse to stay home.
posted by mikelieman at 9:57 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
I like to think that the victims of the maga long-con, who for nine years have been rationalizing away the cognitive dissonance and literally can't perceive things like, "senile old man stands there swaying to music for 39 minutes instead of taking questions at a town hall" are in the minority, and there's a whole lot of Republicans who are just looking for an excuse to stay home.
posted by mikelieman at 9:57 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
If you listen carefully and hear a low rumbling noise, that will be Sinéad O'Connor turning in her grave.
posted by Lanark at 9:58 AM on October 15 [9 favorites]
posted by Lanark at 9:58 AM on October 15 [9 favorites]
So this is apparently Every Artist or Band Who Has Asked Trump to Stop Using Their Music, and that list was published Aug 29th 2024 - so I'd imagine that a few more might be added soon ?
If you don't want to click the link the list is
Abba, Adele, Aerosmith, A-Ha,
Beyoncé, Bruce Springsteen,
Celine Dion, Creedance Clearwater Revival
Earth Wind & Fire, Eddy Grant,
Foo Fighters, Free
Guns N' Roses,
House of pain,
Issac Hayes
Johnny Marr
Linkin Park
Neil Young, Nivo Vega,
The O'jays, Ozzy Osbourne
Panic! At The Disco, Pharrell Williams,
R.E.M, Rihanna, The Rolling Stones,
Twisted Sister,
The Village People, and finally
The White Stripes.
You've probably noticed that a few of those were artist he played - so his team appear to be ignoring the artist requests / multiple cease and desist orders
posted by Faintdreams at 9:58 AM on October 15 [17 favorites]
If you don't want to click the link the list is
Abba, Adele, Aerosmith, A-Ha,
Beyoncé, Bruce Springsteen,
Celine Dion, Creedance Clearwater Revival
Earth Wind & Fire, Eddy Grant,
Foo Fighters, Free
Guns N' Roses,
House of pain,
Issac Hayes
Johnny Marr
Linkin Park
Neil Young, Nivo Vega,
The O'jays, Ozzy Osbourne
Panic! At The Disco, Pharrell Williams,
R.E.M, Rihanna, The Rolling Stones,
Twisted Sister,
The Village People, and finally
The White Stripes.
You've probably noticed that a few of those were artist he played - so his team appear to be ignoring the artist requests / multiple cease and desist orders
posted by Faintdreams at 9:58 AM on October 15 [17 favorites]
What are they supposed to do? Confidentiality still applies even if your patient is running for president.
Actually no, the truth is much more complicated.
Kamala Harris has already released her medical report.
More than 230 doctors and health care providers call on Trump to release medical records.
There is no f'n way any competent doctor gave him an all-clear, which means he was either examined by an incompetent doctor, or a fraud is being perpetrated. (One of many from his campaign, of course.)
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 9:59 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
Actually no, the truth is much more complicated.
Kamala Harris has already released her medical report.
More than 230 doctors and health care providers call on Trump to release medical records.
There is no f'n way any competent doctor gave him an all-clear, which means he was either examined by an incompetent doctor, or a fraud is being perpetrated. (One of many from his campaign, of course.)
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 9:59 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
I was really rooting for the revenant corpse of Sinéad, complete with hijab, to kick in the door and drag him to hell, but nothing ever really goes the way I want, even though I'm a white guy.
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 9:59 AM on October 15 [48 favorites]
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 9:59 AM on October 15 [48 favorites]
What happened at Coachella? He had a thing there Saturday and made everybody park five miles from the venue (obviously to thwart the ones who keep trying to leave before the dance party to avoid dying of heat exhaustion). Well, so apparently they had bunches of tour buses to shuttle the people the five miles into the rally site but then only a couple of buses to take them back to their cars. So Trump cut out at the end when he was sick of his playlist but the crowd was left standing around on the bleachers sweltering in 90+ degree heat in the middle of the desert in the middle of the night for several hours. I heard about it yesterday and raced to Metafilter for the hot takes but sadly there were none. Did Trump organizers mess it up, did the buses break down, or did Kamala Harris and the Democrats steal the distributor caps or what? There was all kinda speculation online but I couldn't get a definitive answer on what happened to the return shuttles.
posted by Don Pepino at 10:03 AM on October 15 [11 favorites]
posted by Don Pepino at 10:03 AM on October 15 [11 favorites]
I mean, why not? Why should he care about artists' cease-and-desists? They have no authority that he recognizes. If they sue him, if he wins the Presidency, he can simply shrug it off and if he loses, what's one more small-change court case among many? At this point, playing forbidden music is simply one more flex of his mission statement -- that no one can tell him what to do or what not to do.
No one in that room cared in the slightest how Trump answered questions. Or if he answered questions. Or if he IS STILL ABLE TO answer questions. So why not turn an unpleasant task (being asked to speak intelligently) into a Dada-esque parody of political traditions and simply ignore it when he tires of it?
I'm seeing claims that ABC News described it as Trump covering for medical emergencies in the crowd again, and commending him for his "compassionate response." Pull the other one, folks.
posted by delfin at 10:12 AM on October 15 [9 favorites]
No one in that room cared in the slightest how Trump answered questions. Or if he answered questions. Or if he IS STILL ABLE TO answer questions. So why not turn an unpleasant task (being asked to speak intelligently) into a Dada-esque parody of political traditions and simply ignore it when he tires of it?
I'm seeing claims that ABC News described it as Trump covering for medical emergencies in the crowd again, and commending him for his "compassionate response." Pull the other one, folks.
posted by delfin at 10:12 AM on October 15 [9 favorites]
Everyone but Republican voters know it's not about Trump anymore. They just need him to get through the election. They have a young, healthy fascist-in-waiting ready to get the work done while Trump plays with Tinker Toys on the carpet of the Oval Office. The movement is what's important now.
But then he made a subtler point, stressing that it’s not actually Trump whom conservatives are voting for but the 5,000 political appointees he’ll sweep into office behind him. “Those 5,000 people matter a lot more than whether or not, well, ‘I don’t like Trump because he’s not very nice,’” said Kirk.posted by Winnie the Proust at 10:12 AM on October 15 [22 favorites]
Did Trump organizers mess it up, did the buses break down, or did Kamala Harris and the Democrats steal the distributor caps or what?
Occam's Razor: Apparently you have to pay bus services.
posted by delfin at 10:13 AM on October 15 [21 favorites]
Occam's Razor: Apparently you have to pay bus services.
posted by delfin at 10:13 AM on October 15 [21 favorites]
NPR covered it this morning, but omitted the 40-minutes of music detail and put it last in their broadcast as if it was a story like a cute baby goat that befriended a great ape; they had sort of indulgent warmth in their voice and copy. Sigh.
posted by stevil at 10:16 AM on October 15 [12 favorites]
posted by stevil at 10:16 AM on October 15 [12 favorites]
did the buses break down
Early social media posts were saying that someone didn't pay the bill, which is believable, but on Reddit: The real reason they stopped shuttling them was for safety. One of the male drivers was punched in the face and had to go to the hospital and one of the female drivers had someone spit on her (ironically she's a huge trump supporter.) They were all apparently pounding on the bus windows and just generally out of control but I guess that's what happens when you go to a hate rally. [x]
posted by Lanark at 10:16 AM on October 15 [25 favorites]
Early social media posts were saying that someone didn't pay the bill, which is believable, but on Reddit: The real reason they stopped shuttling them was for safety. One of the male drivers was punched in the face and had to go to the hospital and one of the female drivers had someone spit on her (ironically she's a huge trump supporter.) They were all apparently pounding on the bus windows and just generally out of control but I guess that's what happens when you go to a hate rally. [x]
posted by Lanark at 10:16 AM on October 15 [25 favorites]
The Interview with the Economic Club of Chicago [C-Span] happening right now is pretty rambling and nuts.
posted by mazola at 10:19 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
posted by mazola at 10:19 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Kristi Noem looks so sad during YMCA. I would almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't horrible.
I also love her saying "We're not going to complain, we're going to fix it." After an hour of Don complaining.
posted by skullhead at 10:20 AM on October 15 [3 favorites]
I also love her saying "We're not going to complain, we're going to fix it." After an hour of Don complaining.
posted by skullhead at 10:20 AM on October 15 [3 favorites]
Is this not elder abuse? There has to be a threshold between someone’s autonomy and the people surrounding them being so permissive that they are in danger. I wish the people who claim to love him would actually act like it.
I have no affection for Trump and actively wish for his removal from society, but I have also dealt with horrible family members in their 70s and 80s who abused and continued to manipulate my loved ones. The solution was most definitely not to encourage them to pursue further power and control. That would have been returning their cruelty with our own.
posted by Mizu at 10:20 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
I have no affection for Trump and actively wish for his removal from society, but I have also dealt with horrible family members in their 70s and 80s who abused and continued to manipulate my loved ones. The solution was most definitely not to encourage them to pursue further power and control. That would have been returning their cruelty with our own.
posted by Mizu at 10:20 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
But then he made a subtler point, stressing that it’s not actually Trump whom conservatives are voting for but the 5,000 political appointees he’ll sweep into office behind him. “Those 5,000 people matter a lot more than whether or not, well, ‘I don’t like Trump because he’s not very nice,’” said Kirk.
And THAT is the biggest issue right now, and one that Harris needs to scream about at every opportunity.
As a candidate, Vance trends nationally somewhere just below rickets and rotten teeth on approval rating polls. His selection was something of an afterthought for Trump himself, and Trump's stated flatly that he doesn't even speak to Vance about policy. He is an asterisk on this election at most...
...except that Trump is old, fat, unstable on many levels and spewing out word salad. Whether he is capable of lurching through four years at 1600 is highly debatable. So, too, is how long it will take for Vance and Trump's cabinet selections (keeping in mind that Trump is neither known for making good appointment choices or for inspiring loyalty in those he chooses) to pick one of Trump's less-lucid moments and 25th him.
A Moldbug disciple like Vance can't get executive power under normal means, because they and their ideas are hideous even to many conservatives and Vance has the charisma of a deer carcass. But riding on Trump's coattails to the backup spot and then waiting for either a medical emergency or the right moment to dumpster him? THAT is their path to power.
And then you have a 40-year-old in good health directing the dismantling of the federal bureaucracy and the Constitution with vigorous glee.
It would, perhaps, be nice if Trump had a sudden realization about the scorpion standing beside him. But it is more important for the 'undecided' imbeciles out there to recognize whom they're actually considering voting for.
posted by delfin at 10:23 AM on October 15 [17 favorites]
And THAT is the biggest issue right now, and one that Harris needs to scream about at every opportunity.
As a candidate, Vance trends nationally somewhere just below rickets and rotten teeth on approval rating polls. His selection was something of an afterthought for Trump himself, and Trump's stated flatly that he doesn't even speak to Vance about policy. He is an asterisk on this election at most...
...except that Trump is old, fat, unstable on many levels and spewing out word salad. Whether he is capable of lurching through four years at 1600 is highly debatable. So, too, is how long it will take for Vance and Trump's cabinet selections (keeping in mind that Trump is neither known for making good appointment choices or for inspiring loyalty in those he chooses) to pick one of Trump's less-lucid moments and 25th him.
A Moldbug disciple like Vance can't get executive power under normal means, because they and their ideas are hideous even to many conservatives and Vance has the charisma of a deer carcass. But riding on Trump's coattails to the backup spot and then waiting for either a medical emergency or the right moment to dumpster him? THAT is their path to power.
And then you have a 40-year-old in good health directing the dismantling of the federal bureaucracy and the Constitution with vigorous glee.
It would, perhaps, be nice if Trump had a sudden realization about the scorpion standing beside him. But it is more important for the 'undecided' imbeciles out there to recognize whom they're actually considering voting for.
posted by delfin at 10:23 AM on October 15 [17 favorites]
But riding on Trump's coattails to the backup spot and then waiting for either a medical emergency or the right moment to dumpster him? THAT is their path to power.
Recall that Dick Cheney wielded more executive power than is normally allotted to vice presidents (i.e. "none at all") during the Dubya administration. Bush the Lesser, being lazy and incurious, didn't seem to mind, and I doubt Trump will complain much if his "executive time" isn't bothered.
posted by Gelatin at 10:37 AM on October 15 [18 favorites]
Recall that Dick Cheney wielded more executive power than is normally allotted to vice presidents (i.e. "none at all") during the Dubya administration. Bush the Lesser, being lazy and incurious, didn't seem to mind, and I doubt Trump will complain much if his "executive time" isn't bothered.
posted by Gelatin at 10:37 AM on October 15 [18 favorites]
So - I guess he was at Coachella recently, did he suddenly get turned onto the power of music? Was he like "man this is so much nicer than being a miserable jerk all the time?"
My first reaction like most is "WUT?"
Then I thought :
Well, fuck if Obama did this, bumping his Spotify playlist and dancing, the media and all the Obamanoids would be "OH YEAH HE'S SO COOOOOL".
And I mean, yeah, Trump is very much Un-Cool (America's Angry Right Wing Uncool). And of course we need to smear the fuck with every goddamn piece of mud we can no matter how stupid and ridiculous at this point.
That said, I'd love a late life realization that Music is good, actually, and maybe we need more of it, and he goes off to forest to be come a Psy-Trance DJ to all of Joe Rogan's DMT vaping fans and they can think the past 8 years was just one big long DMT trip, DJ T, as he will be known, was just a fantastic excursion into our reality of a Machine Elf, and he and they will never be heard from again as they get lost in the dark dark spaces of the forest, their minds, and X-Dream.
That is the pivot I want to see.
posted by symbioid at 10:42 AM on October 15 [15 favorites]
My first reaction like most is "WUT?"
Then I thought :
Well, fuck if Obama did this, bumping his Spotify playlist and dancing, the media and all the Obamanoids would be "OH YEAH HE'S SO COOOOOL".
And I mean, yeah, Trump is very much Un-Cool (America's Angry Right Wing Uncool). And of course we need to smear the fuck with every goddamn piece of mud we can no matter how stupid and ridiculous at this point.
That said, I'd love a late life realization that Music is good, actually, and maybe we need more of it, and he goes off to forest to be come a Psy-Trance DJ to all of Joe Rogan's DMT vaping fans and they can think the past 8 years was just one big long DMT trip, DJ T, as he will be known, was just a fantastic excursion into our reality of a Machine Elf, and he and they will never be heard from again as they get lost in the dark dark spaces of the forest, their minds, and X-Dream.
That is the pivot I want to see.
posted by symbioid at 10:42 AM on October 15 [15 favorites]
At every one of Trump's rallies, he basks in the adulation of his followers, and every time I see this, I am transported back to the 1970's, when I would join a crowd of 10,000 other cult members and delight in the words and the dancing of Guru Maharaj Ji. (Now Prem Rawat, a guru posing as an inspirational speaker.)
posted by kozad at 10:47 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
posted by kozad at 10:47 AM on October 15 [6 favorites]
No, if Obama did this, the media would be all 'LOOK THIS BLACK DUDE ONLY CARES ABOUT CLUBBING.'
posted by HypotheticalWoman at 10:47 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
posted by HypotheticalWoman at 10:47 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
I want to live in this reality, Symboid.
posted by egypturnash at 10:53 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by egypturnash at 10:53 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
May he feel the holy warmth of our sacred sister Sinead and see the heavenly light of Prince. (Because it will reduce him to ashes.)
posted by whuppy at 10:54 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
posted by whuppy at 10:54 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
I would like to see a post-interview interview with Bloomberg News editor-in-chief John Micklethwait about what the hell that was there.
posted by mazola at 10:55 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
posted by mazola at 10:55 AM on October 15 [4 favorites]
Meanwhile, Walz is teaching kids how to build their own 486 PC and installing Winamp to play Aphex Twin MP3s
posted by credulous at 10:58 AM on October 15 [21 favorites]
posted by credulous at 10:58 AM on October 15 [21 favorites]
So - I guess he was at Coachella recently
No, he was at a ranch down the road owned by a supporter. But it's sure like him to say "Coachella" to make people think he was drawing the same crowds as, say, Beyoncé.
It's still all about the crowd size. Kamala's snipe at him during the debate will probably go down as the pivot point of the campaign.
posted by JoeZydeco at 10:58 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
No, he was at a ranch down the road owned by a supporter. But it's sure like him to say "Coachella" to make people think he was drawing the same crowds as, say, Beyoncé.
It's still all about the crowd size. Kamala's snipe at him during the debate will probably go down as the pivot point of the campaign.
posted by JoeZydeco at 10:58 AM on October 15 [8 favorites]
Perhaps Elon will put the dregs on a SpaceX ship playing Thirty Seconds to Mars and they will ascend to heaven where no one will ever tell them what to do ever again.
posted by effluvia at 10:59 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by effluvia at 10:59 AM on October 15 [1 favorite]
So this is apparently Every Artist or Band Who Has Asked Trump to Stop Using Their Music, and that list was published Aug 29th 2024 - so I'd imagine that a few more might be added soon ?
I've been amusing myself today with this review of Trump's playlist:
“Ave Maria,” Luciano Pavarotti – Nothing about this aria specifically, but Pavarotti’s widow asked Trump not to use his aria “Nessun Dorma” at campaign events in 2016, stating that Pavarotti’s values were incompatible with Trump’s.
“Nothing Compares 2 U,” Sinead O’Connor – O’Connor’s estate asked Trump not to play her music at campaign rallies in March 2024; O’Connor considered Trump a “biblical devil.”
“Memory,” Cats – Andrew Lloyd Webber told Trump not to use his music on the campaign trail in 2016 and sent him a cease-and-desist letter specifically about “Memory” in 2020.
“YMCA,” Village People – The Village People issued a statement to Billboard in January 2021 about Trump’s use of “YMCA” at a “farewell’ event: “We have no ill will towards the president, but we asked him to cease and desist long ago. However, since he’s a bully, our request was ignored. Thankfully he’s now out of office, so it would seem his abusive use of our music has finally ended.”
“November Rain,” Guns ‘N Roses – Axl Rose said in 2018 that the band had sent a formal request asking Trump not to play their music at his events, but “unfortunately the Trump campaign is using loopholes in the various venues’ blanket performance licenses which were not intended for such craven political purposes, without the songwriters’ consent.” Rose has been speaking out against Trump since 2016 at least.
“Hallelujah,” Rufus Wainwright – I don’t think Trump had played this previously, so Rufus Wainwright’s “mortified” reaction is specific to this occasion. He considered its use “the height of blasphemy.” Leonard Cohen’s estate issued a cease-and-desist letter today; in 2020, they were pissed off about Trump’s unauthorized use of a Tori Kelly cover of “Hallelujah” during the RNC (after requesting permission and being denied).
“Rich Men North of Richmond,” Oliver Anthony – No specific cease and desist. Anthony criticized the song’s discussion during the Republican candidate debate (sans Trump) in 2023: “I wrote that song about those people, you know, so for them to have to sit there and listen to that, that cracks me up.” He has stated that he isn’t endorsing any candidates and probably won’t vote.
“An American Trilogy,” Elvis Presley – No objection known from Authentic Brands Group, the company controlling Elvis’s intellectual property (unknown if Trump has their permission). These particular songs weren’t written by Elvis—they’re considered American folk songs in the public domain (although I suspect Julia Ward Howe might not be thrilled were she alive).
“It’s a Man’s Man’s Man’s World,” James Brown – No objection known from Primary Wave, the company controlling James Brown’s intellectual property rights (unknown if Trump has their permission). Ironically, they’re co-owners of the IP rights of Isaac Hayes’s work—whose family just sued Trump over use of his songs.
posted by dlugoczaj at 11:03 AM on October 15 [14 favorites]
I've been amusing myself today with this review of Trump's playlist:
“Ave Maria,” Luciano Pavarotti – Nothing about this aria specifically, but Pavarotti’s widow asked Trump not to use his aria “Nessun Dorma” at campaign events in 2016, stating that Pavarotti’s values were incompatible with Trump’s.
“Nothing Compares 2 U,” Sinead O’Connor – O’Connor’s estate asked Trump not to play her music at campaign rallies in March 2024; O’Connor considered Trump a “biblical devil.”
“Memory,” Cats – Andrew Lloyd Webber told Trump not to use his music on the campaign trail in 2016 and sent him a cease-and-desist letter specifically about “Memory” in 2020.
“YMCA,” Village People – The Village People issued a statement to Billboard in January 2021 about Trump’s use of “YMCA” at a “farewell’ event: “We have no ill will towards the president, but we asked him to cease and desist long ago. However, since he’s a bully, our request was ignored. Thankfully he’s now out of office, so it would seem his abusive use of our music has finally ended.”
“November Rain,” Guns ‘N Roses – Axl Rose said in 2018 that the band had sent a formal request asking Trump not to play their music at his events, but “unfortunately the Trump campaign is using loopholes in the various venues’ blanket performance licenses which were not intended for such craven political purposes, without the songwriters’ consent.” Rose has been speaking out against Trump since 2016 at least.
“Hallelujah,” Rufus Wainwright – I don’t think Trump had played this previously, so Rufus Wainwright’s “mortified” reaction is specific to this occasion. He considered its use “the height of blasphemy.” Leonard Cohen’s estate issued a cease-and-desist letter today; in 2020, they were pissed off about Trump’s unauthorized use of a Tori Kelly cover of “Hallelujah” during the RNC (after requesting permission and being denied).
“Rich Men North of Richmond,” Oliver Anthony – No specific cease and desist. Anthony criticized the song’s discussion during the Republican candidate debate (sans Trump) in 2023: “I wrote that song about those people, you know, so for them to have to sit there and listen to that, that cracks me up.” He has stated that he isn’t endorsing any candidates and probably won’t vote.
“An American Trilogy,” Elvis Presley – No objection known from Authentic Brands Group, the company controlling Elvis’s intellectual property (unknown if Trump has their permission). These particular songs weren’t written by Elvis—they’re considered American folk songs in the public domain (although I suspect Julia Ward Howe might not be thrilled were she alive).
“It’s a Man’s Man’s Man’s World,” James Brown – No objection known from Primary Wave, the company controlling James Brown’s intellectual property rights (unknown if Trump has their permission). Ironically, they’re co-owners of the IP rights of Isaac Hayes’s work—whose family just sued Trump over use of his songs.
posted by dlugoczaj at 11:03 AM on October 15 [14 favorites]
This sounds like a better way for him to spend his (and his attendees') time than continuing to peddle his hateful conspiracy theories? Absent the possibility of him just dropping out, I'm in favour of more "the furthest-right US presidential candidate giving his campaign absolutely nothing to work with".
posted by polytope subirb enby-of-piano-dice at 11:04 AM on October 15 [3 favorites]
posted by polytope subirb enby-of-piano-dice at 11:04 AM on October 15 [3 favorites]
Even in this thread people are making excuses for Trump because we, collectively, just cannot seem to grasp how morally, mentally, and now outright bodily corrupted Trump has become.
posted by jamjam at 11:06 AM on October 15 [17 favorites]
posted by jamjam at 11:06 AM on October 15 [17 favorites]
What are they supposed to do? Confidentiality still applies even if your patient is running for president.
When my dad was diagnosed with dementia, the doctor was required by law to inform the DMV. Just sayin'.
posted by The Ardship of Cambry at 11:13 AM on October 15 [16 favorites]
When my dad was diagnosed with dementia, the doctor was required by law to inform the DMV. Just sayin'.
posted by The Ardship of Cambry at 11:13 AM on October 15 [16 favorites]
> Attention journalists: your coverage of shit like this is why I refuse to pay you when that popup window appears
When I got done with the WP article I had sort of warm fuzzies about what a great music lover Trump is, how he loves to DJ at parties and such, and what a discriminating connoisseur of music and musicians he is.
Also, he made a point to highlight the Gold Star family and was tenderly concerned with the health of the people who fainted.
The article did mention that some musical artists have asked the Trump campaign to refrain from using their music. But they didn't manage to mention for example that Sinéad O'Connors estate has asked the campaign to never use her music with this explanation: "Sinéad would have been disgusted, hurt, and insulted to have her work misrepresented in this way."
BTW that Wikipedia article has an extensive rundown of artists who have denied the Trump campaign use of their music, and the legal bases for doing so, which are pretty damn firm. Of course, Trump continues with complete impunity.
Pavarotti's Ave Maria, particularly, was highlighted at this rally and it's worth pointing out:
When I got done with the WP article I had sort of warm fuzzies about what a great music lover Trump is, how he loves to DJ at parties and such, and what a discriminating connoisseur of music and musicians he is.
Also, he made a point to highlight the Gold Star family and was tenderly concerned with the health of the people who fainted.
The article did mention that some musical artists have asked the Trump campaign to refrain from using their music. But they didn't manage to mention for example that Sinéad O'Connors estate has asked the campaign to never use her music with this explanation: "Sinéad would have been disgusted, hurt, and insulted to have her work misrepresented in this way."
BTW that Wikipedia article has an extensive rundown of artists who have denied the Trump campaign use of their music, and the legal bases for doing so, which are pretty damn firm. Of course, Trump continues with complete impunity.
Pavarotti's Ave Maria, particularly, was highlighted at this rally and it's worth pointing out:
Pavarotti’s widow, Nicoletta Mantovani Pavarotti, and three daughters issued a statement this week calling on the campaign to stop using his music, saying that “the values of brotherhood and solidarity which Luciano Pavarotti expressed throughout the course of his artistic career are entirely incompatible with the worldview offered by the candidate Donald Trump.”posted by flug at 11:14 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
And here's a nice message from the manager of Village People - as usual completely ignore by Trump:
“If Trump orders the U.S. military to fire on his own citizens (on U.S. soil), Americans will rise up in such numbers outside of the White House that he might be forced out of office prior to the election,” Willis wrote at the time, adding: “And I ask that you no longer use any of my music at your rallies especially ‘Y.M.C.A.’ and ‘Macho Man.’ Sorry, but I can no longer look the other way.”posted by flug at 11:23 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
I guess he was at Coachella recently
Coachella the place, not Coachella the fyre festival. Although in this case it seems to have been both again.
posted by Don Pepino at 11:28 AM on October 15
Coachella the place, not Coachella the fyre festival. Although in this case it seems to have been both again.
posted by Don Pepino at 11:28 AM on October 15
And yet the race is still neck-and-neck, which no amount of thinkpieces will ever be able to adequately explain to me.
A person could follow multiple well-regarded media sources and have almost zero idea of what is actually happening and what is at stake in the election, because they gloss over it. Journalism that fails to do its fundamental job of "telling people things that are true" a huge part of the problem here.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 11:31 AM on October 15 [15 favorites]
A person could follow multiple well-regarded media sources and have almost zero idea of what is actually happening and what is at stake in the election, because they gloss over it. Journalism that fails to do its fundamental job of "telling people things that are true" a huge part of the problem here.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 11:31 AM on October 15 [15 favorites]
I'm sorry for the overlong comment, really I am.
Realizing that I beat this argument to death anytime something like this comes up, I've moved on the spectrum from 'the media is besotted with bothsidesism' all the way to 'they want him to win'. There are just SO many examples of the NYT and others in the politico-media industrial complex sanewashing to flat out deep sixing or completely ignoring anything negative about Trump. Yesterday's series of 'Trumps longstanding interest in genetics' stories when he actually rambles nazi-esque shit about his enemies being subhuman is a great example (immigrants, non-white ones of course, and folks on the left) . There were no lead stories about his promise to sic the military on his enemies in this country. I honestly expected the NYT to do headline with "Trump's bold new strategy to revitalize the nations military", but of course never mentioning it is just as helpful in getting the POS reinstalled.
With respect to those in our community still defending the 'free press', just having a 39th level paragraph up for 3 hours talking about Trump concern for his rally goers instead of talking about his dementia addled brain isn't exactly making the case.
Hilary's email server protocols and Podestas risotto recipes - a years long front page jihad. Trump/Vance hack, no news here so deep six it. Biden's age, the most important issue ever. Trumps obvious dementia, nope nothing to see here. WTF are stories on the maga judge dismissing Trump stealing national security secrets. What about the Egypt bribe. Hey CBS, Trump wants to take your license away and if/when he's dictator that gets to happen, maybe chat about that? What about ending school kid vaccinations? What about Kuschners $2B Saudi bribe (OMG Hunter took drugs!). And Trumps WH rants about needing to shoot protesters? Anything? How about even stupid shit like Trump riding around in his buddy Epstein's plane? How about his 'plan' to send troops into Blue State cities to 'take them back from the 'democrat's carnage'? Anything on the Trumpspawn leading a boat parade with Nazi flags and shouts of white power? Accelerating the hell out of climate change by allowing the extraction industries to do anything they want? ANY of the aspects of Project 2025, cause 12 minutes of coverage in August doesn't really cut it when it's a plan to basically destroy any semblance of beneficial humane governance.
And finally the truly evil deportations nightmare. How about how the deportations will destroy agriculture and construction? Potentially drop us into a depression (leaving aside how evil this is to our fellow human beings)? How about the bandied around numbers of 20m and 22m deportees when there are an estimated 10m undocumented human beings in this country - where are all these other victims coming from? It aint the Norwegians. Is Mexico actually going to take in 20m deportees? Hmmm, maybe ask what's the backup plan? (Newsflash - it's gigantic camps in the desert southwest).
And thats all off the top of my head...
I'm daily astonished at how badly the political media is at this(with a very few exceptions like Bouile, Krugman, Rubin, who are basically cover for all the rest). Do they NOT know what will happen to them if Trump/Vance attain dictatorial power? Do they not read history books? It doesn't go well for the press. And those camps dont just shut down when they accomplish their initial heinous reasons for existing. NYT's last editorial: Now that the hangings have begun, we stand by our reporting.
Maybe they think they're getting Orban (or Erdogan) but they're getting Putin at best, possibly even Xi (witness the many times Trump has stated his desire to be president for life.
They want him to win, it's insane. But they do.
posted by WatTylerJr at 11:31 AM on October 15 [25 favorites]
Realizing that I beat this argument to death anytime something like this comes up, I've moved on the spectrum from 'the media is besotted with bothsidesism' all the way to 'they want him to win'. There are just SO many examples of the NYT and others in the politico-media industrial complex sanewashing to flat out deep sixing or completely ignoring anything negative about Trump. Yesterday's series of 'Trumps longstanding interest in genetics' stories when he actually rambles nazi-esque shit about his enemies being subhuman is a great example (immigrants, non-white ones of course, and folks on the left) . There were no lead stories about his promise to sic the military on his enemies in this country. I honestly expected the NYT to do headline with "Trump's bold new strategy to revitalize the nations military", but of course never mentioning it is just as helpful in getting the POS reinstalled.
With respect to those in our community still defending the 'free press', just having a 39th level paragraph up for 3 hours talking about Trump concern for his rally goers instead of talking about his dementia addled brain isn't exactly making the case.
Hilary's email server protocols and Podestas risotto recipes - a years long front page jihad. Trump/Vance hack, no news here so deep six it. Biden's age, the most important issue ever. Trumps obvious dementia, nope nothing to see here. WTF are stories on the maga judge dismissing Trump stealing national security secrets. What about the Egypt bribe. Hey CBS, Trump wants to take your license away and if/when he's dictator that gets to happen, maybe chat about that? What about ending school kid vaccinations? What about Kuschners $2B Saudi bribe (OMG Hunter took drugs!). And Trumps WH rants about needing to shoot protesters? Anything? How about even stupid shit like Trump riding around in his buddy Epstein's plane? How about his 'plan' to send troops into Blue State cities to 'take them back from the 'democrat's carnage'? Anything on the Trumpspawn leading a boat parade with Nazi flags and shouts of white power? Accelerating the hell out of climate change by allowing the extraction industries to do anything they want? ANY of the aspects of Project 2025, cause 12 minutes of coverage in August doesn't really cut it when it's a plan to basically destroy any semblance of beneficial humane governance.
And finally the truly evil deportations nightmare. How about how the deportations will destroy agriculture and construction? Potentially drop us into a depression (leaving aside how evil this is to our fellow human beings)? How about the bandied around numbers of 20m and 22m deportees when there are an estimated 10m undocumented human beings in this country - where are all these other victims coming from? It aint the Norwegians. Is Mexico actually going to take in 20m deportees? Hmmm, maybe ask what's the backup plan? (Newsflash - it's gigantic camps in the desert southwest).
And thats all off the top of my head...
I'm daily astonished at how badly the political media is at this(with a very few exceptions like Bouile, Krugman, Rubin, who are basically cover for all the rest). Do they NOT know what will happen to them if Trump/Vance attain dictatorial power? Do they not read history books? It doesn't go well for the press. And those camps dont just shut down when they accomplish their initial heinous reasons for existing. NYT's last editorial: Now that the hangings have begun, we stand by our reporting.
Maybe they think they're getting Orban (or Erdogan) but they're getting Putin at best, possibly even Xi (witness the many times Trump has stated his desire to be president for life.
They want him to win, it's insane. But they do.
posted by WatTylerJr at 11:31 AM on October 15 [25 favorites]
Yeah, that Reddit thread about the debacle at the Trump rally in Coachella Valley is something:
The Coachella Valley subreddit does have a few more posts about the debacle, including this one with more details.
posted by flug at 11:36 AM on October 15 [27 favorites]
Heya. The male driver was my dad...This is a riot caused by complete incompetence of the campaign. And the word riot is not an exaggeration:
My father was attacked at a rally
He works for the bus company that was doing transportation for the rally in Coachella. The rally didn't think about the logistics of 15k people and the buses weren't enough.
People got angry and began to riot. Throwing themselves in front of buses, banging on the windows and doors, and attacked two bus drivers. (One female driver was spit on by an elderly woman. The woman had to be restrained by another person from grabbing the driver by the hair)
The other driver was my father. He is a veteran and served in Vietnam and has head trauma from the war and from an car accident years ago...he was sucker punched from behind the head while he was walking outside his bus. He has a broken nose and hopefully his prior head trauma isn't worsen but won't know until some time. (He did get a CAT scan) He didn't see who hit him and he lost vision temporarily in his right eye (it's back now).
The news didn't report this and even riot police showed up because of this behavior with the buses...The nearly total lack of media coverage of this is very noticeable, but not surprising.
The Coachella Valley subreddit does have a few more posts about the debacle, including this one with more details.
posted by flug at 11:36 AM on October 15 [27 favorites]
Every time I read the phrase "Ave Maria" the tune I get in my head is not the traditional one, but rather the song by the same name performed by David Bisbal, which is much more dancy and upbeat, possibly making it more appropriate for a rally. (The lyrics are pretty much run-of-the-mill love song "when will you be mine" type stuff, but fun to sing.)
But I also can't get my mind to disconnect the phrase "Ave Maria" from the Tom Lehrer song "The Vatican Rag," which includes the delightful rhyming of "Ave Maria" with "gee it's good to see ya." And "gee it's good to see ya" scans perfectly with the lyrics of the David Bisbal song ("cuando serás mia"), making it even harder to break the link.
And conveniently, Tom Lehrer released all his music to public domain not long ago, so Trump could use it with no copyright concerns!
Look forward to future rallies featuring "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park," "National Brotherhood Week," and "I Got It From Agnes," is what I'm saying.
posted by nickmark at 11:38 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
But I also can't get my mind to disconnect the phrase "Ave Maria" from the Tom Lehrer song "The Vatican Rag," which includes the delightful rhyming of "Ave Maria" with "gee it's good to see ya." And "gee it's good to see ya" scans perfectly with the lyrics of the David Bisbal song ("cuando serás mia"), making it even harder to break the link.
And conveniently, Tom Lehrer released all his music to public domain not long ago, so Trump could use it with no copyright concerns!
Look forward to future rallies featuring "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park," "National Brotherhood Week," and "I Got It From Agnes," is what I'm saying.
posted by nickmark at 11:38 AM on October 15 [7 favorites]
I hope Trump's outsourced get-out-the-vote efforts are being run with similar competence.
posted by Gelatin at 11:39 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
posted by Gelatin at 11:39 AM on October 15 [10 favorites]
The dancing rally was very weird, but I guess in-line with Trump-level weirdness. The discussion I've seen (although mostly on message boards) emphasizes a possible health or mental issue as the cause for the endless dancing rather than normal rally Q&A or speeches (or frankly, just ending it would have also been more normal). So I watched today's Bloomberg interview with Trump to see if he seems somehow different. I don't think so at all; sounded pretty on-brand, seemed misinformed but only in the usual way he is misinformed. Never particularly confused as much as boisterously ignorant.
posted by unid41 at 12:11 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by unid41 at 12:11 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
... and two hours later the story has vanished from the front of the NY Times website.
But hey, they've got this barn-burner of a story: "The Trump campaign relies on accounting strategies that test legal limits to stay financially competitive with Kamala Harris."
Now that'll move those uncommitted voters.
posted by martin q blank at 12:11 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
But hey, they've got this barn-burner of a story: "The Trump campaign relies on accounting strategies that test legal limits to stay financially competitive with Kamala Harris."
Now that'll move those uncommitted voters.
posted by martin q blank at 12:11 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
But hey, they've got this barn-burner of a story: "The Trump campaign relies on accounting strategies that test legal limits to stay financially competitive with Kamala Harris."
Yeah, the last time I hear the terms like "creative and unorthodox accounting strategies" thrown around was Enron, so good luck with that.
Then again, keep in mind always that this election isn't just about Trump assuaging his ego; he seeks to regain the levers of power so he can shut down his considerable legal jeopardy. I doubt committing a little more financial fraud is going to bother him much if it means gaining the Oval Office and if he doesn't, it's the least of his troubles.
posted by Gelatin at 12:16 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
Yeah, the last time I hear the terms like "creative and unorthodox accounting strategies" thrown around was Enron, so good luck with that.
Then again, keep in mind always that this election isn't just about Trump assuaging his ego; he seeks to regain the levers of power so he can shut down his considerable legal jeopardy. I doubt committing a little more financial fraud is going to bother him much if it means gaining the Oval Office and if he doesn't, it's the least of his troubles.
posted by Gelatin at 12:16 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
Tom Lehrer released all his music to public domain not long ago
All the world seems in tune on a Spring afternoon
As we lighten the wallets of the marks
posted by flabdablet at 12:17 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
All the world seems in tune on a Spring afternoon
As we lighten the wallets of the marks
posted by flabdablet at 12:17 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
“Nothing Compares 2 U,” Sinead O’Connor – O’Connor’s estate asked Trump not to play her music at campaign rallies in March 2024; O’Connor considered Trump a “biblical devil.”
Donald Trump is the physical incarnation of Belial.
posted by mikelieman at 12:27 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
Donald Trump is the physical incarnation of Belial.
posted by mikelieman at 12:27 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
Oh yeah, his brain is fuckin moldy oats by now.
I do think it's typical of the blueanon mindset to see articles from mainstream centrists news sources clearly mocking him and act like the Journalists are Betraying Democracy because they aren't all writing in the 2008 snark register of Wonkette or ending each paragraph with the phrase "this is not normal" in all caps. Like, liberals used to catch a lot of flak for being smug (true), but the dominant affect now is bug eyed terror. They might lose -- again -- to an eminently defeatable opponent, and someone might think it's their fault, so they're premptively writing their callout lists of who exactly will have failed the Republic of that happens.
posted by jy4m at 12:28 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
I do think it's typical of the blueanon mindset to see articles from mainstream centrists news sources clearly mocking him and act like the Journalists are Betraying Democracy because they aren't all writing in the 2008 snark register of Wonkette or ending each paragraph with the phrase "this is not normal" in all caps. Like, liberals used to catch a lot of flak for being smug (true), but the dominant affect now is bug eyed terror. They might lose -- again -- to an eminently defeatable opponent, and someone might think it's their fault, so they're premptively writing their callout lists of who exactly will have failed the Republic of that happens.
posted by jy4m at 12:28 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
Well, good thing you're above all that, jy4m.
posted by praemunire at 12:51 PM on October 15 [13 favorites]
posted by praemunire at 12:51 PM on October 15 [13 favorites]
"Perhaps Elon will put the dregs on a SpaceX ship playing Thirty Seconds to Mars and they will ascend to heaven where no one will ever tell them what to do ever again."
I prefer One Way Ticket to Pluto by Dead Kennedys.
"Meanwhile, Walz is teaching kids how to build their own 486 PC and installing Winamp to play Aphex Twin MP3s"
COME TO DADDY COME TO DADDY....
DMCA the mother fucker...
D-M-C-A, get reckt by the D-M-C-A.
I was so glad when I saw Axl be anti-Trump, given the old "One in a Million" and his general "rednecky"/trash vibes, I was always worried about Axl, but even he knows how much a turd Donald is.
I think if he's gonna ruin musicians, Skinny Puppy should be played (the way they sued the Bush admin for using their music in Gitmo torture): "KISS THE MASTER'S FEET...." But that would be too on the nose.
Also, speaking of Cheney and Bush, etc... Fuck Cheney and the "never Trumpers" (I mean, good on them for opposing Trump, but I see their plotting and continued attempts to push this country right-ward, just in a different corporate direction than a populist direction (which admittedly is less evil in the "domestic" sense), and hijacking the Dems. Everything they pushed is what enabled this fascist piece of shit and they will be rewarded by the people who marched in the streets against them, because "lesser evilism". On with the "show" I guess.
May the best black woman win, fucker.
Also - Obama DID do some dancing/cool things like that and everyone (including the media) was all "look at that cat go, he's so cool" which is why I said it, but then again, yeah. NYT would be all over denigrating him for such "antics" and how it's uncouth and unbecoming and the clutching of pearls as they are wont to do.
I half think this is an attempt to cool down in the media's eyes the evils of him, and make him look like a doofus, "see I'm not a threat, I'm just a little dumby dumb white guy who can't dance" (OOOOOOOH, Phil Collins - "I Can't Dance"!)
posted by symbioid at 12:52 PM on October 15
I prefer One Way Ticket to Pluto by Dead Kennedys.
"Meanwhile, Walz is teaching kids how to build their own 486 PC and installing Winamp to play Aphex Twin MP3s"
COME TO DADDY COME TO DADDY....
DMCA the mother fucker...
D-M-C-A, get reckt by the D-M-C-A.
I was so glad when I saw Axl be anti-Trump, given the old "One in a Million" and his general "rednecky"/trash vibes, I was always worried about Axl, but even he knows how much a turd Donald is.
I think if he's gonna ruin musicians, Skinny Puppy should be played (the way they sued the Bush admin for using their music in Gitmo torture): "KISS THE MASTER'S FEET...." But that would be too on the nose.
Also, speaking of Cheney and Bush, etc... Fuck Cheney and the "never Trumpers" (I mean, good on them for opposing Trump, but I see their plotting and continued attempts to push this country right-ward, just in a different corporate direction than a populist direction (which admittedly is less evil in the "domestic" sense), and hijacking the Dems. Everything they pushed is what enabled this fascist piece of shit and they will be rewarded by the people who marched in the streets against them, because "lesser evilism". On with the "show" I guess.
May the best black woman win, fucker.
Also - Obama DID do some dancing/cool things like that and everyone (including the media) was all "look at that cat go, he's so cool" which is why I said it, but then again, yeah. NYT would be all over denigrating him for such "antics" and how it's uncouth and unbecoming and the clutching of pearls as they are wont to do.
I half think this is an attempt to cool down in the media's eyes the evils of him, and make him look like a doofus, "see I'm not a threat, I'm just a little dumby dumb white guy who can't dance" (OOOOOOOH, Phil Collins - "I Can't Dance"!)
posted by symbioid at 12:52 PM on October 15
Every time I see something like this, I remind myself that he's got a good chance of winning.
The problem isn't Trump. The problem is the roughly 50% of Americans who vote for him. And who will continue to vote for his successors.
Even if we win (please) this election Project 2025 will just be renamed Project 2031 and be ready for the next Republican. We can't keep depending on the Democrats never losing an election as our strategy for not turning into a facist theorcracy.
posted by sotonohito at 12:53 PM on October 15 [13 favorites]
The problem isn't Trump. The problem is the roughly 50% of Americans who vote for him. And who will continue to vote for his successors.
Even if we win (please) this election Project 2025 will just be renamed Project 2031 and be ready for the next Republican. We can't keep depending on the Democrats never losing an election as our strategy for not turning into a facist theorcracy.
posted by sotonohito at 12:53 PM on October 15 [13 favorites]
The problem is the roughly 50% of Americans who vote for him. And who will continue to vote for his successors.
It's about 20% of people living in the US, and about 30% of US adults of voting age, who will vote for him. About 40% of US citizens of voting age will not vote in this race. I don't say that as a "well, actually" academic point. I think it's actually what is the problem.
[insert gif of Elon letting that sink into the Twitter offices]
posted by kensington314 at 1:02 PM on October 15 [16 favorites]
It's about 20% of people living in the US, and about 30% of US adults of voting age, who will vote for him. About 40% of US citizens of voting age will not vote in this race. I don't say that as a "well, actually" academic point. I think it's actually what is the problem.
[insert gif of Elon letting that sink into the Twitter offices]
posted by kensington314 at 1:02 PM on October 15 [16 favorites]
Make voting all by mail/online and a national holiday and a $100 tax credit.
posted by gottabefunky at 1:05 PM on October 15 [8 favorites]
posted by gottabefunky at 1:05 PM on October 15 [8 favorites]
As long as Trump will pursue hating/destroying everyone who isn't bog standard white Republicans, he won't lose votes.
posted by jenfullmoon at 1:09 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
posted by jenfullmoon at 1:09 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
We can't keep depending on the Democrats never losing an election as our strategy for not turning into a facist theorcracy.
Sorry, but yes. Every presidential election from now and for the rest of our lives (assuming you and I are around the same age) will be a rear-guard action to prevent a Republican from winning. Reconcile yourself with that, and in accepting, understand that the key to undoing that toxic legacy is activism on every local level. The slow process of divesting our towns and city governments, our local judges, our state governments, our school boards and libraries and election boards. Disassemble the base they constructed starting in the 1980s, so that people 25 years from now aren't still in the same fight.
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 1:19 PM on October 15 [22 favorites]
Sorry, but yes. Every presidential election from now and for the rest of our lives (assuming you and I are around the same age) will be a rear-guard action to prevent a Republican from winning. Reconcile yourself with that, and in accepting, understand that the key to undoing that toxic legacy is activism on every local level. The slow process of divesting our towns and city governments, our local judges, our state governments, our school boards and libraries and election boards. Disassemble the base they constructed starting in the 1980s, so that people 25 years from now aren't still in the same fight.
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 1:19 PM on October 15 [22 favorites]
WaPo: From ‘Dixie’ to Shrek, Trump’s campaign dance party had it all
Then came a song that I am surprised has not been mentioned more in coverage of the event: “Dixie,” as sung by Elvis Presley. Yes, it was part of the hip-swinging singer’s cover of “American Trilogy,” a three-song medley. But it was still “Dixie,” the unofficial anthem of the Confederacy! Played at a presidential campaign event in the year 2024! Without anyone commenting on it!
0% shocked.
He finally stepped offstage as “Memory,” from the 1983 Broadway cast recording of songs from “Cats,” was playing over the loudspeaker.
Irony!
What were they going to do, not vote for him?
...yeah.
posted by jenfullmoon at 1:21 PM on October 15 [4 favorites]
Then came a song that I am surprised has not been mentioned more in coverage of the event: “Dixie,” as sung by Elvis Presley. Yes, it was part of the hip-swinging singer’s cover of “American Trilogy,” a three-song medley. But it was still “Dixie,” the unofficial anthem of the Confederacy! Played at a presidential campaign event in the year 2024! Without anyone commenting on it!
0% shocked.
He finally stepped offstage as “Memory,” from the 1983 Broadway cast recording of songs from “Cats,” was playing over the loudspeaker.
Irony!
What were they going to do, not vote for him?
...yeah.
posted by jenfullmoon at 1:21 PM on October 15 [4 favorites]
i'm kinda surprised that Noem didn't just take him out back and shoot him.
on a serious note: The Pluto Gangsta - YES YES YES to this. i say this to friends all the time - vote on local issues! one of the most important is school boards. i don't even have a kid (childless cat lady) but that's where it starts. indoctrination of the youth.
posted by lapolla at 1:24 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
on a serious note: The Pluto Gangsta - YES YES YES to this. i say this to friends all the time - vote on local issues! one of the most important is school boards. i don't even have a kid (childless cat lady) but that's where it starts. indoctrination of the youth.
posted by lapolla at 1:24 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
"American Trilogy" is an incredible song and I'm glad it's the Elvis version and not the songwriter, Mickey Newbury's version, that is being tarnished here. I believe Elvis' version was in his movie "Aloha from Hawaii" which probably goes a long ways in explaining why it ended up on this playlist. I imagine that Stephen Miller does a final check on this evolving playlist, and that this explains why the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "All My Trials" sections were left out.
posted by kensington314 at 1:26 PM on October 15
posted by kensington314 at 1:26 PM on October 15
Back in my newsroom days, we joked about editors and their fondness for "trend stories." (A trend is whatever the editor notices while driving to work, walking to lunch, etc, for three straight days.)
So I'm hoping that having three scary/wackadoodle Trump appearances in close succession (calling out the military on liberals, impromptu dance party and today's non sequitur answers in the economics interview) will get the editors to bark, "hey, we've got some kind of trend here, wrap up the three events with some expert comments from doctors and give me 25 inches for A1" or whatever passes for editor-speak these days.
an ex-reporter can dream.
posted by martin q blank at 1:33 PM on October 15 [4 favorites]
So I'm hoping that having three scary/wackadoodle Trump appearances in close succession (calling out the military on liberals, impromptu dance party and today's non sequitur answers in the economics interview) will get the editors to bark, "hey, we've got some kind of trend here, wrap up the three events with some expert comments from doctors and give me 25 inches for A1" or whatever passes for editor-speak these days.
an ex-reporter can dream.
posted by martin q blank at 1:33 PM on October 15 [4 favorites]
It really doesn't matter what he says or does at all anymore. At all.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 1:33 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 1:33 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Georgia's early voting first-day turnout already breaks record (Georgia Recorder)
posted by box at 1:50 PM on October 15 [12 favorites]
posted by box at 1:50 PM on October 15 [12 favorites]
If anyone has encouraging early vote info like the post right above, PUHLEESE share I need all the good news I can get
posted by tiny frying pan at 1:57 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
posted by tiny frying pan at 1:57 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
Every time I see something like this, I remind myself that he's got a good chance of winning.
family at my Thanksgiving table (non-USians) are resigned to another term of TFG. I am not sure what media they consume, but that's the vibe they are picking up. I don't talk politics with them.
looking from the outside, I can't believe we're still stuck in this moment. the US--and by extension, many of us in the world and especially the closer neighbours--are living on borrowed time
the Pluto Gangsta upthread is telling us to resign ourselves to people just voting Democratic Party for the rest of their lives, and I'm resigned to things are just plain ending. that sucks for me and my loved ones, the next few years are not going to be pleasant, but a million years from now who cares. I have to take solace in that
posted by ginger.beef at 2:02 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
family at my Thanksgiving table (non-USians) are resigned to another term of TFG. I am not sure what media they consume, but that's the vibe they are picking up. I don't talk politics with them.
looking from the outside, I can't believe we're still stuck in this moment. the US--and by extension, many of us in the world and especially the closer neighbours--are living on borrowed time
the Pluto Gangsta upthread is telling us to resign ourselves to people just voting Democratic Party for the rest of their lives, and I'm resigned to things are just plain ending. that sucks for me and my loved ones, the next few years are not going to be pleasant, but a million years from now who cares. I have to take solace in that
posted by ginger.beef at 2:02 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
Sorry, but yes. Every presidential election from now and for the rest of our lives (assuming you and I are around the same age) will be a rear-guard action to prevent a Republican from winning.
Seriously, no. This is not a sustainable strategy, especially if that rear-guard action requires sacrificing all progress just to maintain an already-shitty status quo.
It can't be just a rear-guard action. There needs to be a vision of a future that people will fight for because they want to live in it.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 2:06 PM on October 15 [6 favorites]
Seriously, no. This is not a sustainable strategy, especially if that rear-guard action requires sacrificing all progress just to maintain an already-shitty status quo.
It can't be just a rear-guard action. There needs to be a vision of a future that people will fight for because they want to live in it.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 2:06 PM on October 15 [6 favorites]
One other source of solace is that it's a tie race leaning a smidge toward Kamala that will be decided in a state where Trump has almost no campaign operation and Harris has the Obama 2008 team running over 50 offices. It's an unjustifiably close race with an uncertain polling environment, and there is no reason to rest easy, but the stuff on the ground probably favors Harris a bit at this point.
posted by kensington314 at 2:07 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
posted by kensington314 at 2:07 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
There needs to be a vision of a future that people will fight for because they want to live in it.
That vision, for Republicans, was put forward in the 1980s. Get all downballot Repubs elected. And they did. Which is why we're here now (well also because the Democratic party fell asleep).
posted by cooker girl at 2:09 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
That vision, for Republicans, was put forward in the 1980s. Get all downballot Repubs elected. And they did. Which is why we're here now (well also because the Democratic party fell asleep).
posted by cooker girl at 2:09 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
NBC News Early Voting Tracker Map: filter by party registration, age, gender and vote type.
posted by JaneTheGood at 2:15 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
posted by JaneTheGood at 2:15 PM on October 15 [3 favorites]
The most encouraging thing i've seen, now that I'm no longer living in cozily blue western washington, but commuting through the northeast of the state within miles of the Idaho border, is that along a stretch of rural farms and ranches some of which have 45 2024 signs (but far fewer than in 2020) i noticed the biggest sign of all is a "Republicans for Harris" banner. No way was there anything like that in 2020, when all I saw were hillbilly trucks rollin' coal with giant 45 flags snapping from their rear bumpers. Perhaps it's too subtle to be truly uplifting, but it's definitely noteworthy.
posted by OHenryPacey at 2:16 PM on October 15 [10 favorites]
posted by OHenryPacey at 2:16 PM on October 15 [10 favorites]
...his team appear to be ignoring the artist requests / multiple cease and desist orders...
I doubt if Trump or his team give a purple rat's ass if the artists file orders or even sue. But what would be useful is if those artists would get together and put on a concert specifically rallying against Trump. Doesn't have to necessarily be for anybody, just against the senile music thief. Bet the media couldn't ignore that.
posted by BlueHorse at 2:32 PM on October 15 [4 favorites]
I doubt if Trump or his team give a purple rat's ass if the artists file orders or even sue. But what would be useful is if those artists would get together and put on a concert specifically rallying against Trump. Doesn't have to necessarily be for anybody, just against the senile music thief. Bet the media couldn't ignore that.
posted by BlueHorse at 2:32 PM on October 15 [4 favorites]
Rolling Stone has a recap of the Economic Club of Chicago/Bloomberg talk mazola was mentioning above: Trump Crumbles When Pressed on Economic Policy in Tense Interview.
It is positively bonkers. John Micklethwait deserves all of the awards. Ask Trump about the dollar? He talks about Macron. Virginia? He tells you what he doesn't like about Google. And Micklethwait calls him out on it.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 2:47 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
It is positively bonkers. John Micklethwait deserves all of the awards. Ask Trump about the dollar? He talks about Macron. Virginia? He tells you what he doesn't like about Google. And Micklethwait calls him out on it.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 2:47 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
I was so glad when I saw Axl be anti-Trump
This is such an oddly distinct 2024 experience. I felt nearly giddy with relief when I simultaneously realised the b3ta guy a) still exists, b) is not a fascist.
posted by Hermione Dies at 2:52 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
This is such an oddly distinct 2024 experience. I felt nearly giddy with relief when I simultaneously realised the b3ta guy a) still exists, b) is not a fascist.
posted by Hermione Dies at 2:52 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
Bet the media couldn't ignore that.
We're here because the media is ignoring the clear and present danger we are all facing. Including the media. They actually think they will survive a second Trump installation.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 2:56 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
We're here because the media is ignoring the clear and present danger we are all facing. Including the media. They actually think they will survive a second Trump installation.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 2:56 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
from the Micklethwait interview:
“The issue I asked you about was the idea if you reduce immigration — every economist will tell you — if you have fewer people, there is a smaller economy,” Micklethwait interjected after Trump ranted about murderous migrants for several minutes. Trump continued and at one point singled out a member of the audience, calling her a “beautiful woman.”
“They will look at you — down [there] a beautiful woman — they’ll look at you and they will kill you,” he said.
and it's a close race
and the problem won't disappear once TFG finally disappears
posted by ginger.beef at 2:59 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
“The issue I asked you about was the idea if you reduce immigration — every economist will tell you — if you have fewer people, there is a smaller economy,” Micklethwait interjected after Trump ranted about murderous migrants for several minutes. Trump continued and at one point singled out a member of the audience, calling her a “beautiful woman.”
“They will look at you — down [there] a beautiful woman — they’ll look at you and they will kill you,” he said.
and it's a close race
and the problem won't disappear once TFG finally disappears
posted by ginger.beef at 2:59 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Here [Gift Link] the WaPo reprints, in its entirety, Trump's answer to a question about inflation from just before the "dance" portion of the rally. WaPo has added footnotes.
The question was: "My grocery bill has not gone down. Everything is still so very expensive. What steps will your administration take to help American families suffering from this inflation?"
I urge you to try to read the actual text of Trump's response. It's absolutely beyond belief. And the WaPo footnotes are priceless. Among others:
posted by The Bellman at 3:16 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
The question was: "My grocery bill has not gone down. Everything is still so very expensive. What steps will your administration take to help American families suffering from this inflation?"
I urge you to try to read the actual text of Trump's response. It's absolutely beyond belief. And the WaPo footnotes are priceless. Among others:
"But you asked another question about safety and also about Black population jobs and Hispanic population in particular those two. [3]"Anyway. Worth a read. They love this shit. They do not care what he says -- they just want to be in the Presence. But it's worth actually trying to read it to udnerstand what's going on out there.
Fn. 3: She did not ask this question.
...
"So we’re going to take care of it. You will be — I’ll tell you, if everything works out, if everybody gets out and votes on January 5th. [13]"
Fn. 13: Election Day is Nov. 5.
posted by The Bellman at 3:16 PM on October 15 [7 favorites]
Ms. Hobnail, along with Older Daughter (just turned 16 going on 36) as an interested observer, walked with me to one of Atlanta's public libraries to early vote on the first day at lunchtime. There was a line around the building, but we stuck with it, if for no other reason than once we're in the database as having voted, the campaigns will stop texting us. I don't know that the record turnout for today (and it's waaay above normal) is actually a data point: it might just be the people most motivated and not a clear indicator of the overall numbers or distribution. But high turnout is always in Team Blue's favor.
And yes, the next half dozen presidential elections are purely a rearguard action. The vision of the future is "an actual functioning democracy", which is a good one.
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 3:19 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
And yes, the next half dozen presidential elections are purely a rearguard action. The vision of the future is "an actual functioning democracy", which is a good one.
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 3:19 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
The Bellman thank you for sharing reading that was starting to make me hyperventilate tho woW
posted by tiny frying pan at 3:57 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by tiny frying pan at 3:57 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
Best of luck, neighbours.
And, what is the plan if the Electoral College hands the presidency to the candidate who lost the popular vote?
posted by SnowRottie at 4:11 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
And, what is the plan if the Electoral College hands the presidency to the candidate who lost the popular vote?
posted by SnowRottie at 4:11 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
We say congratulations to that person and swear them in, unfortunately.
posted by The corpse in the library at 4:17 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
posted by The corpse in the library at 4:17 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]
Coachella the place
And the big carrot festival therein.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:18 PM on October 15
And the big carrot festival therein.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:18 PM on October 15
National treasure Alexandra Petri, Songs and dance moves from Trump’s weird rally, reviewed
(Washington Post gift link)
posted by kirkaracha at 4:22 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
(Washington Post gift link)
Do you ever want to give it all up and just stand onstage with your eyes shut, forcing everyone to listen to a playlist of your own devising? For my part, no. I know the effect my playlists have on people. Donald Trump has no such qualms. This is just one of myriad ways we are not the same.
...
Nothing about [“It’s A Man’s Man’s Man’s World”] says “I am a good song to play at a political rally,” but it is also an extremely on-the-nose choice for Trump. Never let it be said that he allowed any of the themes of his candidacy to languish in subtext! Trump does a little windshield-wiper hand gesture that seems intended to evoke dance, and then he taps rhythmically along on the back of a chair.
...
Trump spends much of [ “Y.M.C.A.”] taking business cards and shaking hands with people, leaving South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (who has been onstage this whole time) trapped in the corner of purgatory reserved for Second Person Who Has Been Dragged Onstage To Duet A Karaoke Number She Is Not Passionate About.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:22 PM on October 15 [2 favorites]
JY4M. I assume youre referring to me (along with others taking the shitty media to task over their atrocious behavior). If you really think I (and others) are just bedwetters, answer just ONE of the questions I put in my comment. All the examples I put in there came off the top of my head in about 3 minutes. There are hundreds and hundred of more examples. They want him to win.
IMO (clueless as that may be) Harris destroys him in the popular vote by 10m votes. My fear: magas go super violent in the swing states that the lead Trumpists use as an attempt to get maga judges to step in. The maga judges on the Supreme Court throw the election to the House of Reps, more red states than blue states and whammo Trump2 (ie Vance) is installed.
Great news on the Georgia early voting!
Voting - if the Dems sweep, the first thing they'd better do is enshrine the right to vote for every citizen in rock solid terms (e.g., a 20 year prison sentence for preventing citizens from voting under color of law). Also make the damn Tuesday elections a national holiday.
posted by WatTylerJr at 5:04 PM on October 15
IMO (clueless as that may be) Harris destroys him in the popular vote by 10m votes. My fear: magas go super violent in the swing states that the lead Trumpists use as an attempt to get maga judges to step in. The maga judges on the Supreme Court throw the election to the House of Reps, more red states than blue states and whammo Trump2 (ie Vance) is installed.
Great news on the Georgia early voting!
Voting - if the Dems sweep, the first thing they'd better do is enshrine the right to vote for every citizen in rock solid terms (e.g., a 20 year prison sentence for preventing citizens from voting under color of law). Also make the damn Tuesday elections a national holiday.
posted by WatTylerJr at 5:04 PM on October 15
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