Knives are out; use the forks, Luke
November 30, 2024 11:55 AM Subscribe
If someone asked you to define the "Star Wars" aesthetic, how would you respond? The movies, live-action shows, and animated series all possess a specific look and feel, but can you boil it down to a sentence or two? Perhaps you could say it's a mixture of junk and sleek, but that's too general. There's something essential missing. And that essential element may be an ineffable quality. Maybe you just know "Star Wars" when you see it, and that's that! Or maybe you could describe that singular aesthetic by what "Star Wars" doesn't have. from Star Wars Movies Are Secretly Forbidden From Showing These Five Objects
Started watching The Acolyte yesterday and it definitely has a lot of knives
posted by rossmeissl at 12:37 PM on November 30, 2024 [4 favorites]
posted by rossmeissl at 12:37 PM on November 30, 2024 [4 favorites]
Now I'm wondering if the Star Wars videogames follow these rules. The last couple of games (Outlaws, Jedi Survivor) have been really good at evoking the feeling of being in a Star Wars movie. They must have access to the bible, but I wonder if they have to follow it in every detail.
Outlaws these super-cute cutscenes of eating street food with your pet. Kay doesn't seem to use a knife in them, just a space spork. The ginsu cooking droids are all about flashing knives though. For that matter don't the Kitchen Droids all have knives for hands?
posted by Nelson at 12:45 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
Outlaws these super-cute cutscenes of eating street food with your pet. Kay doesn't seem to use a knife in them, just a space spork. The ginsu cooking droids are all about flashing knives though. For that matter don't the Kitchen Droids all have knives for hands?
posted by Nelson at 12:45 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
OK, what about the mouse droid from Ep. 4, the one Chewie scares off? Maybe it had tracks, but I was always pretty sure it had wheels.
posted by lhauser at 12:57 PM on November 30, 2024 [3 favorites]
posted by lhauser at 12:57 PM on November 30, 2024 [3 favorites]
Mouse droid with wheels
I'm starting to think this clickbait article is HIGHLY INACCURATE
posted by Nelson at 1:01 PM on November 30, 2024 [29 favorites]
I'm starting to think this clickbait article is HIGHLY INACCURATE
posted by Nelson at 1:01 PM on November 30, 2024 [29 favorites]
Jabba's henchmen had weapons with Blades. The Gomorrean Guards had battleaxes! Not knives, but.... same idea right?
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:02 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:02 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
Also, according to "Wookiepedia" the Ewoks used knives.
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:05 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:05 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
In Jedi Survivor, the restroom in Pyloon's Saloon has mirrors.
I think this list is a bit arbitrary. All of the objects in the list are missing in the original trilogy, because they were supposed to depict the "future", the way it looked like in the late seventies and early eighties. So, no paper (substituted by holograms), no wheels (substituted by "repulsorlifts"), no knives (substituted by lasers and "vibroblades"), and so on.
By the time of the prequel trilogy, our own technology already looked more advanced than that of the original movies, which by now are sort of "retrofuturistic", just like the Fallout series depicts the future the way it looked like in the sixties.
And even if we have computers in the palm of our hands that could have calculated the economy of a country in the seventies, we still have paper. And I still cut bread with a knife, no lasers around here. So Star Wars feels sort of quaint, in comparison. A bit like in the books of Jules Verne, flying to the moon by being shot out of a cannon.
But returning to Jedi Survivor, while playing I wondered if there was some sort of internal style guide that Star Wars media has to follow. To me, it looked like the level designers got some inspiration by looking at the architecture of the seventies. And Cal's room in Pyloon's Saloon has a coziness to it that reminds me of the evenings in the seventies when I was little, watching Sesame Street while comfortably sitting in the sofa covered with a blanket.
posted by LaVidaEsUnCarnaval at 1:14 PM on November 30, 2024 [9 favorites]
I think this list is a bit arbitrary. All of the objects in the list are missing in the original trilogy, because they were supposed to depict the "future", the way it looked like in the late seventies and early eighties. So, no paper (substituted by holograms), no wheels (substituted by "repulsorlifts"), no knives (substituted by lasers and "vibroblades"), and so on.
By the time of the prequel trilogy, our own technology already looked more advanced than that of the original movies, which by now are sort of "retrofuturistic", just like the Fallout series depicts the future the way it looked like in the sixties.
And even if we have computers in the palm of our hands that could have calculated the economy of a country in the seventies, we still have paper. And I still cut bread with a knife, no lasers around here. So Star Wars feels sort of quaint, in comparison. A bit like in the books of Jules Verne, flying to the moon by being shot out of a cannon.
But returning to Jedi Survivor, while playing I wondered if there was some sort of internal style guide that Star Wars media has to follow. To me, it looked like the level designers got some inspiration by looking at the architecture of the seventies. And Cal's room in Pyloon's Saloon has a coziness to it that reminds me of the evenings in the seventies when I was little, watching Sesame Street while comfortably sitting in the sofa covered with a blanket.
posted by LaVidaEsUnCarnaval at 1:14 PM on November 30, 2024 [9 favorites]
The Jawa’s sandcrawler ran on tracks which… incorporate wheels. I do not buy this list.
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:25 PM on November 30, 2024 [4 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:25 PM on November 30, 2024 [4 favorites]
However, it is true that the Emperor banned listicles, proving that no one is entirely bad.
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:26 PM on November 30, 2024 [35 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:26 PM on November 30, 2024 [35 favorites]
Guardrails. (The obvious item forbidden from this clickbait list.)
posted by paper chromatographologist at 1:34 PM on November 30, 2024 [23 favorites]
posted by paper chromatographologist at 1:34 PM on November 30, 2024 [23 favorites]
There was that whole Jedi tree library, so paper does exist in the Star Wars universe.
posted by fimbulvetr at 1:44 PM on November 30, 2024 [11 favorites]
posted by fimbulvetr at 1:44 PM on November 30, 2024 [11 favorites]
This may have changed with the explosion of related movies and stories and video games in the intervening time, but as pointed out by Paul F. Tompkins some years back, the Star Wars universe appears to have no books.
posted by rhizome at 2:13 PM on November 30, 2024 [5 favorites]
posted by rhizome at 2:13 PM on November 30, 2024 [5 favorites]
> [literariness:] "In second-generation electronic literature, not infrequently, not even the word but the letter becomes the unit of operation, as in Brian Kim Stefans’s “Star Wars: One Letter at a Time” (2006)"
in a galaxy way, wayback...
posted by HearHere at 2:24 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
in a galaxy way, wayback...
posted by HearHere at 2:24 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
The Gomorrean Guards had battleaxes! Not knives, but.... same idea right?
Mince chives with one, then try saying that again...
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:42 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
Mince chives with one, then try saying that again...
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:42 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
"If you bring that battleaxe to the table, you're going straight to your room, mister!"
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:43 PM on November 30, 2024 [3 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:43 PM on November 30, 2024 [3 favorites]
There are no tampons, toilets or pizza either.
posted by astrobiophysican at 3:11 PM on November 30, 2024 [10 favorites]
posted by astrobiophysican at 3:11 PM on November 30, 2024 [10 favorites]
12:30 onward in Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 1, we see Middle-Aged Ben gainfully employed as a space-whale butcher. He and his fellow workers are all using very large metal knives.
posted by senor biggles at 3:33 PM on November 30, 2024 [9 favorites]
posted by senor biggles at 3:33 PM on November 30, 2024 [9 favorites]
There are toilets in each cell in the prison complex in Andor. There's also a "refresher" on the Falcon but not sure we've officially seen that.
posted by biffa at 3:44 PM on November 30, 2024 [5 favorites]
posted by biffa at 3:44 PM on November 30, 2024 [5 favorites]
as pointed out by Paul F. Tompkins some years back, the Star Wars universe appears to have no books
The sacred Jedi Texts!
posted by Jon Mitchell at 4:02 PM on November 30, 2024 [7 favorites]
The sacred Jedi Texts!
posted by Jon Mitchell at 4:02 PM on November 30, 2024 [7 favorites]
Without having seen the series in question I would hazard the guess that Boba Fett either has a book, or one is written about him.
posted by Ashenmote at 4:08 PM on November 30, 2024 [8 favorites]
posted by Ashenmote at 4:08 PM on November 30, 2024 [8 favorites]
What I was expecting to see mentioned was "signage". In the original movies, if I recall correctly, there were no shop signs, street signs, warning signs, not even holographic ones. But this seems to have relaxed lately.
I wonder if the lack of mirrors is just to facilitate filming. Mirrors mean you have to build the back of the set, and keep the camera and crew out of the shot.
posted by zompist at 4:22 PM on November 30, 2024 [8 favorites]
I wonder if the lack of mirrors is just to facilitate filming. Mirrors mean you have to build the back of the set, and keep the camera and crew out of the shot.
posted by zompist at 4:22 PM on November 30, 2024 [8 favorites]
Many videogames don't have mirrors for a similar reason, it puts demands on the game engine that can be hard to fulfill. The one linked above for Jedi Survivor is weird: there's a reflection but highly distorted both spatially and temporally. Kind of a neat effect.
Be sure to watch the Jedi Survivor video for a space toilet, too. It's credited as the first Star Wars toilet on a lot of websites but I think Mando got there first. It's hilarious too, a bunch of difficult-to-understand anatomical options. No doubt production designers have been sharing gags for decades about the plumbing in the Mos Eisley cantina.
posted by Nelson at 4:28 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
Be sure to watch the Jedi Survivor video for a space toilet, too. It's credited as the first Star Wars toilet on a lot of websites but I think Mando got there first. It's hilarious too, a bunch of difficult-to-understand anatomical options. No doubt production designers have been sharing gags for decades about the plumbing in the Mos Eisley cantina.
posted by Nelson at 4:28 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
Zippers !
posted by St. Peepsburg at 4:42 PM on November 30, 2024 [3 favorites]
posted by St. Peepsburg at 4:42 PM on November 30, 2024 [3 favorites]
And the writing is Aurebesh
So there’s signage everywhere but it blends in discretely
posted by St. Peepsburg at 4:44 PM on November 30, 2024 [4 favorites]
So there’s signage everywhere but it blends in discretely
posted by St. Peepsburg at 4:44 PM on November 30, 2024 [4 favorites]
the plumbing in the Mos Eisley cantina
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and effluvia. You must be cautious.
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:02 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and effluvia. You must be cautious.
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:02 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
If Han is basically a longhaul trucker/smuggler, the shitter on the Falcon is the last thing I'd want to see. Imagine all the Wok 'n Warp fastfood meals. And Chewbacca.
posted by ginger.beef at 5:13 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by ginger.beef at 5:13 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
What does Chewie eat? If he's a vegetarian, it might not be too terrible.
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:49 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:49 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
He isn't a vegetarian. He roasts porgs in the new trilogy.
posted by biffa at 5:54 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by biffa at 5:54 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
That doesn't mean he eats them. He might just really hate them.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:06 PM on November 30, 2024 [19 favorites]
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:06 PM on November 30, 2024 [19 favorites]
He also did go for some raw meat the Ewoks set as a trap and return of the Jedi
posted by Jon_Evil at 7:10 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by Jon_Evil at 7:10 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
It was strongly implied in "Solo" that Chewbacca was eating people during his captivity.
posted by Hatashran at 7:12 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Hatashran at 7:12 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
This reminds me of the rules that Gene Roddenberry came up with for Star Trek, which he did in part to subtly create the feeling that this really was the future, but eventually became ironbound laws that he enforced during the times and in the parts of the franchise that he had control over: no buttons, zippers, or visible fasteners of any kind on any clothing, no pockets, and no bathrooms. Needless to say, these all got broken in the post-Roddenberry era.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:16 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:16 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
Is there any art on the walls anywhere in the SW universe?
posted by Thorzdad at 8:23 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by Thorzdad at 8:23 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
Definitely art on the walls in rebels, clone wars, and Ashoka, where art on the walls is part of the plot
Also one of the rebels characters is a spray paint artist
posted by eustatic at 8:32 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
Also one of the rebels characters is a spray paint artist
posted by eustatic at 8:32 PM on November 30, 2024 [1 favorite]
Incidentally, "space age pockets" is my new sockpuppet name.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:48 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:48 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
The Star Wars aesthetic boils down to two themes in opposition:
posted by thecaddy at 9:11 PM on November 30, 2024 [10 favorites]
- Sleek futuristic shit but in greyscale (the bad guys) vs
- Rusty futuristic shit but brown (the good guys)
posted by thecaddy at 9:11 PM on November 30, 2024 [10 favorites]
But the no paper thing would give credence to the theory that Luke Skywalker Can’t Read
posted by Jon_Evil at 9:23 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Jon_Evil at 9:23 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
The robot waitress in Dex's diner in Attack of the Clones has a very visible wheel.
posted by The Tensor at 11:29 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by The Tensor at 11:29 PM on November 30, 2024 [2 favorites]
There are no tampons, toilets or pizza either.
Tangentially related: there's a gag in the Thrawn trilogy where Luke enjoys a cup of an exotic beverage from a remote system that Lando introduced him to: hot chocolate.
posted by dick dale the vampire at 12:04 AM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
Tangentially related: there's a gag in the Thrawn trilogy where Luke enjoys a cup of an exotic beverage from a remote system that Lando introduced him to: hot chocolate.
posted by dick dale the vampire at 12:04 AM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
and no bathrooms.
About 45 years ago, I went to an NYC comics convention where James Doohan (Scotty in TOS) was speaking. Someone asked from the floor why there were no toilets marked on the official Enterprise blueprints you could then buy and how the crew coped with this. Doohan replied that protocol on board was to set your phaser on "disintegrate" and aim very, very carefully.
posted by Paul Slade at 12:52 AM on December 1, 2024 [15 favorites]
About 45 years ago, I went to an NYC comics convention where James Doohan (Scotty in TOS) was speaking. Someone asked from the floor why there were no toilets marked on the official Enterprise blueprints you could then buy and how the crew coped with this. Doohan replied that protocol on board was to set your phaser on "disintegrate" and aim very, very carefully.
posted by Paul Slade at 12:52 AM on December 1, 2024 [15 favorites]
They famously edited out all English text to be replaced with Aurebesh. But the droids all have names made of Roman letters and Arabic numerals.
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 2:34 AM on December 1, 2024 [5 favorites]
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 2:34 AM on December 1, 2024 [5 favorites]
I'm starting to think this clickbait article is HIGHLY INACCURATE
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2. Aliens with fur
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4. Bikinis
posted by AlSweigart at 4:34 AM on December 1, 2024 [13 favorites]
It was strongly implied in "Solo" that Chewbacca was eating people during his captivity.
As one does.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:09 AM on December 1, 2024 [4 favorites]
As one does.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:09 AM on December 1, 2024 [4 favorites]
I don’t recall ever seeing a Rubik’s Cube in Star Wars either. Hmmm…
posted by TedW at 8:02 AM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by TedW at 8:02 AM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
I need you to FORCE that Like and Subscribe button
more like Luke and subscribe amirite
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:23 AM on December 1, 2024 [5 favorites]
more like Luke and subscribe amirite
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:23 AM on December 1, 2024 [5 favorites]
Huge wheeled Imperial troop transporters in the first ten minutes of Rogue One, which happens to be on telly right now.
posted by Hogshead at 10:36 AM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by Hogshead at 10:36 AM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
He isn't a vegetarian. He roasts porgs in the new trilogy.
That doesn't mean he eats them. He might just really hate them.
His roasts are very funny but you have to understand the Wookie language as they lose much in translation.
posted by rough ashlar at 11:14 AM on December 1, 2024 [4 favorites]
That doesn't mean he eats them. He might just really hate them.
His roasts are very funny but you have to understand the Wookie language as they lose much in translation.
posted by rough ashlar at 11:14 AM on December 1, 2024 [4 favorites]
Nudity
posted by gottabefunky at 11:19 AM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by gottabefunky at 11:19 AM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
huh, so no pockets, you say?
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 11:33 AM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 11:33 AM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
He's not nude, he has a bandolier.
posted by biffa at 11:34 AM on December 1, 2024 [4 favorites]
posted by biffa at 11:34 AM on December 1, 2024 [4 favorites]
And Porky Pig wears a top.
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 11:37 AM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 11:37 AM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
so no pockets, you say?
Not for the upright officers of Starfleet. For some disreputable tribble slinger, he's probably got a zipper in there somewhere, maybe even a button fly.
posted by Halloween Jack at 1:20 PM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
Not for the upright officers of Starfleet. For some disreputable tribble slinger, he's probably got a zipper in there somewhere, maybe even a button fly.
posted by Halloween Jack at 1:20 PM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
ISTFG Babylon 5 did two things early on that just grabbed me
One was the moment when a Starfury was being chased so it dropped thrust, spun around, and shot its pursuer.
The other was when Sinclair or Ivanova just reached into their pocket for something like a normal human.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 2:41 PM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
One was the moment when a Starfury was being chased so it dropped thrust, spun around, and shot its pursuer.
The other was when Sinclair or Ivanova just reached into their pocket for something like a normal human.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 2:41 PM on December 1, 2024 [1 favorite]
And Zima, the official beverage of Babylon 5.
posted by AndrewInDC at 3:15 PM on December 1, 2024 [3 favorites]
posted by AndrewInDC at 3:15 PM on December 1, 2024 [3 favorites]
I'm Commander Sheridan and this is my favorite beverage on Babylon 5.
posted by Nelson at 5:52 PM on December 1, 2024 [3 favorites]
posted by Nelson at 5:52 PM on December 1, 2024 [3 favorites]
Knives? Oh yeah, seriously. That's something money can't buy. Knives. Once I went to a cutlery store and said 'Here's $100,000, can I buy a knife?' They said, 'NO. Money can't buy knives.' Gee, I guess that's why you hardly ever see any of 'em around.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 6:09 PM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 6:09 PM on December 1, 2024 [2 favorites]
GenjiandProust: The Jawa’s sandcrawler ran on tracks which… incorporate wheels. I do not buy this list.
Well then, can I interest you in a used droid?
posted by wenestvedt at 7:38 AM on December 2, 2024 [4 favorites]
Well then, can I interest you in a used droid?
posted by wenestvedt at 7:38 AM on December 2, 2024 [4 favorites]
They famously edited out all English text to be replaced with Aurebesh. But the droids all have names made of Roman letters and Arabic numerals.
I never understand why people think it makes sense for the dialogue to be translated into English but not the writing. If the point-of-view character can read it, the audience should be able to as well.
posted by straight at 8:20 AM on December 2, 2024 [3 favorites]
I never understand why people think it makes sense for the dialogue to be translated into English but not the writing. If the point-of-view character can read it, the audience should be able to as well.
posted by straight at 8:20 AM on December 2, 2024 [3 favorites]
Windows put a red squiggly line under the "cherek" I typed on the Aurebesh site? I just...what...
posted by The Ardship of Cambry at 9:35 AM on December 2, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by The Ardship of Cambry at 9:35 AM on December 2, 2024 [1 favorite]
I never understand why people think it makes sense for the dialogue to be translated into English but not the writing. If the point-of-view character can read it, the audience should be able to as well.
As long as it's not essential for your understanding of the story, it's just a question of verisimilitude. If you were watching an English-language period movie set in the French royal court, you might find it helpful for the overall ambience of the film if the characters were writing and reading in French. Or if you're watching a World War Two movie, you might expect the German parts to have a lot of signage/labels in German, even if the actors are speaking English. Similarly, use of written Aurebesh just helps sell that this is some faraway world.
posted by AndrewInDC at 1:03 PM on December 2, 2024
As long as it's not essential for your understanding of the story, it's just a question of verisimilitude. If you were watching an English-language period movie set in the French royal court, you might find it helpful for the overall ambience of the film if the characters were writing and reading in French. Or if you're watching a World War Two movie, you might expect the German parts to have a lot of signage/labels in German, even if the actors are speaking English. Similarly, use of written Aurebesh just helps sell that this is some faraway world.
posted by AndrewInDC at 1:03 PM on December 2, 2024
use of Aurebesh is also often very funny for those who can read it at the speeds it's shown... I've seen stuff that looks like pets' names, 'abcdef', 'name of club', and other gems.
posted by ngaiotonga at 12:53 AM on December 4, 2024
posted by ngaiotonga at 12:53 AM on December 4, 2024
Returning to toilets, a character specifically refers to the location of a refresher in the first episode of Skeleton Crew.
posted by biffa at 12:49 AM on December 6, 2024 [1 favorite]
posted by biffa at 12:49 AM on December 6, 2024 [1 favorite]
MetaFilter: Returning to toilets
posted by GenjiandProust at 11:12 AM on December 7, 2024
posted by GenjiandProust at 11:12 AM on December 7, 2024
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