"Protecting America’s coasts and ocean is the right thing to do."
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The fact sheet doesn't say whether this action can be rescinded, though it hints that it can't. Does anyone know if that's truly the case? I can't imagine this will last long under the new administration otherwise.
posted by tommasz at 5:44 AM on January 6 [3 favorites]
posted by tommasz at 5:44 AM on January 6 [3 favorites]
The fact sheet doesn't say whether this action can be rescinded, though it hints that it can't. Does anyone know if that's truly the case?
The BBC link says that
The BBC link says that
Biden is taking the action under the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act of 1953, which allows presidents to withdraw areas from mineral leasing and drilling. Trump has pledged to reverse Biden's conservation and climate change policies when he takes office later this month. However, the law does not grant presidents the legal authority to overturn prior bans, according to a 2019 court ruling. It also does not allow presidents to revoke any areas already leased for offshore drilling.posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:49 AM on January 6 [21 favorites]
This is great. Now do another thing. And another thing. And a thing after that.
Laurels? You don't deserve laurels at the moment.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:53 AM on January 6 [13 favorites]
Laurels? You don't deserve laurels at the moment.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:53 AM on January 6 [13 favorites]
The fact sheet doesn't say whether this action can be rescinded, though it hints that it can't.
The NPR story indicated that it would be difficult to undo; however, with Republicans controlling congress and the Supreme Court apparently willing to do Trump’s bidding, nothing is ever a done deal in this country anymore.
posted by TedW at 6:04 AM on January 6 [15 favorites]
The NPR story indicated that it would be difficult to undo; however, with Republicans controlling congress and the Supreme Court apparently willing to do Trump’s bidding, nothing is ever a done deal in this country anymore.
posted by TedW at 6:04 AM on January 6 [15 favorites]
It's a good step. More, please.
posted by doctornemo at 6:05 AM on January 6 [6 favorites]
posted by doctornemo at 6:05 AM on January 6 [6 favorites]
wenestved You would think, wouldn’t you but here’s the thing that I learned in an episode of Well There’s Your Problem: the US doesn’t produce the right kind of oil for our energy needs. The crude oil we produce is basically the shittiest and cheapest oil (heavy sour crude) and we export all of that then import all the good light sweet crude for all our processing and fuel needs.
posted by SansPoint at 6:08 AM on January 6 [10 favorites]
posted by SansPoint at 6:08 AM on January 6 [10 favorites]
I can't imagine this will last long under the new administration otherwise.
They are just raring to show the world how little any of these old rules mean, just watch
posted by ginger.beef at 6:16 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
They are just raring to show the world how little any of these old rules mean, just watch
posted by ginger.beef at 6:16 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
The US has the advanced refineries that allow it import heavy crude and still turn it into useful products. They then export the domestic production light crude to markets with less advanced refining capabilities.
posted by Mitheral at 6:21 AM on January 6 [3 favorites]
posted by Mitheral at 6:21 AM on January 6 [3 favorites]
I'd wonder if this was contrition for having stabbed us in the back on the Willow project, but I think him incapable of the emotion.
And of course, saying that "Biden" did something recently carries an asterisk.
posted by Lemkin at 6:28 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
And of course, saying that "Biden" did something recently carries an asterisk.
posted by Lemkin at 6:28 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
The law hasn't stopped Trump before - why should he stop now? It's not like Congress is going to impeach him and the Supreme Court's noses are turning brown (not all of them, some of them). Plus, there's that near-total immunity thing. Barely an inconvenience.
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 7:04 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 7:04 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
1) This only affects new leases, not existing ones. 2) No one cares because these areas don’t have potential reserves to explore anyway. 3) Nothing stops Trump from undoing this in, uh, two weeks. 4) Most US oil is from shale reserves anyway, so this means nothing as far as preventing climate change.
Last week I promised to stop eating panda meat for dinner for the rest of 2024. Please clap.
posted by AlSweigart at 7:09 AM on January 6 [7 favorites]
Last week I promised to stop eating panda meat for dinner for the rest of 2024. Please clap.
posted by AlSweigart at 7:09 AM on January 6 [7 favorites]
This may prove a useful early illustration of how "And thus the rule of law will stop Trump here" is going to become a comical notion by spring.
(Do it anyway of course. Don't make anything easy for him. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.)
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:12 AM on January 6 [5 favorites]
(Do it anyway of course. Don't make anything easy for him. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.)
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:12 AM on January 6 [5 favorites]
Banning leasing where drilling wasn't going to happen anyway is still a good thing.
Leases now are drilling projects 30 years from now. Got to keep that in mind. this is all about the future, and financing, not the drilling happening now.
It would have made more sense to ban drilling on the shallower waters in the Offshore Shelf in the Western Gulf,
so that Chevron and Exxon were forced to follow the decommissioning laws of the United States, (which is really popular throughout the oil industry, and really popular with right wingers, and should be popular with left wingers, if they even knew about it)
and the industry would not have incentive to fight back against methane rules
(which will be popular, once companies start hiring to drill and plug wells, but the Democrats are great at giving Republicans projects that Republicans can take credit for)
and that space would be made to make sure that Biden's Offshore Wind leasing would not fail, but
the national "ocean" groups don't really care about / are not aware of the ocean issues in Louisiana and Texas. We know it. Our relationship with the Ocean is a working relationship, and environmentalism must begin listening to workers. I hope that the national environmental movement will do more now, to support the Gulf region's oil workers.
We will need oil workers taking care of wells in the ocean, forever. We don't need oil companies. Each well is a portal into the underworld. Mother Earth pressurizes and depressurizes those straws as She wills. We will always need hands on the steel and cement as it rots, to keep these hellmouths closed.
Disappointing, in that Louisiana and Texas are not seen as part of the United States, but also not a bad thing, y'all. i'm not totally disappointed.
As for it getting overturned, whatever. Make the bastards do it! Make them work for it! c'mon, let's not be that cynical.
posted by eustatic at 8:25 AM on January 6 [12 favorites]
Leases now are drilling projects 30 years from now. Got to keep that in mind. this is all about the future, and financing, not the drilling happening now.
It would have made more sense to ban drilling on the shallower waters in the Offshore Shelf in the Western Gulf,
so that Chevron and Exxon were forced to follow the decommissioning laws of the United States, (which is really popular throughout the oil industry, and really popular with right wingers, and should be popular with left wingers, if they even knew about it)
and the industry would not have incentive to fight back against methane rules
(which will be popular, once companies start hiring to drill and plug wells, but the Democrats are great at giving Republicans projects that Republicans can take credit for)
and that space would be made to make sure that Biden's Offshore Wind leasing would not fail, but
the national "ocean" groups don't really care about / are not aware of the ocean issues in Louisiana and Texas. We know it. Our relationship with the Ocean is a working relationship, and environmentalism must begin listening to workers. I hope that the national environmental movement will do more now, to support the Gulf region's oil workers.
We will need oil workers taking care of wells in the ocean, forever. We don't need oil companies. Each well is a portal into the underworld. Mother Earth pressurizes and depressurizes those straws as She wills. We will always need hands on the steel and cement as it rots, to keep these hellmouths closed.
Disappointing, in that Louisiana and Texas are not seen as part of the United States, but also not a bad thing, y'all. i'm not totally disappointed.
As for it getting overturned, whatever. Make the bastards do it! Make them work for it! c'mon, let's not be that cynical.
posted by eustatic at 8:25 AM on January 6 [12 favorites]
It will require Congressional approval for the orange menace to override.
That is at least some kind of energy barrier (pun intended, I guess).
posted by Dashy at 8:31 AM on January 6
That is at least some kind of energy barrier (pun intended, I guess).
posted by Dashy at 8:31 AM on January 6
This report from summer 2024 outlines the history of the divide between the oil lobby and oil workers.
This report from True Transition, an underfunded policy shop, is a good primer on the jobs potential in cleaning up the wreckage of the last century. disclosure that they used my photographs.
posted by eustatic at 8:35 AM on January 6 [7 favorites]
This report from True Transition, an underfunded policy shop, is a good primer on the jobs potential in cleaning up the wreckage of the last century. disclosure that they used my photographs.
posted by eustatic at 8:35 AM on January 6 [7 favorites]
As for it getting overturned, whatever. Make the bastards do it! Make them work for it! c'mon, let's not be that cynical.
we need to focus on this, you are absolutely right
taken to the extreme, if you give your life in vain you might still come to a point where not giving your life for something/someone is somehow worth less
posted by ginger.beef at 9:00 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
we need to focus on this, you are absolutely right
taken to the extreme, if you give your life in vain you might still come to a point where not giving your life for something/someone is somehow worth less
posted by ginger.beef at 9:00 AM on January 6 [2 favorites]
This is great. Now do another thing. And another thing. And a thing after that.
Laurels? You don't deserve laurels at the moment.
He's been doing great stuff like this for four years.
You didn't notice?
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 11:54 AM on January 6 [9 favorites]
Laurels? You don't deserve laurels at the moment.
He's been doing great stuff like this for four years.
You didn't notice?
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 11:54 AM on January 6 [9 favorites]
I'd wonder if this was contrition for having stabbed us in the back on the Willow project, but I think him incapable of the emotion.
And of course, saying that "Biden" did something recently carries an asterisk.
Hoo boy. Where to begin with ish like this?
Biden put the entire North Slope of Alaska permanently off limits to drilling. At the same time, he also approved one, count it, one project that was lobbied for by local native Alaskan groups.
A bunch of people acted like the latter was the only environmental action of any consequence that Biden took during his entire four-year term... ignoring his efforts to ban all new oil and gas leases on federal lands (eventually struck down by the courts), his massive offshore wind initiatives on every coast of the lower 48 states, his dramatically tightened vehicle emissions standards, his dramatically tightened standards for other types of pollution, his massive funding packages for solar and wind, EVs, EV charging stations, high-speed rail, and conventional rail, his efforts to stop development of liquefied natural gas export terminals, his whole-of-government project to implement environmental justice considerations at all agencies... the list goes on and on and on and on.
No president in at least 50 years has done more for the environmental and the climate than Biden.
Ah, but when he does good stuff, he doesn't deserve any credit for it, because "we all know" he's a vegetable now. Gross.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 12:02 PM on January 6 [11 favorites]
And of course, saying that "Biden" did something recently carries an asterisk.
Hoo boy. Where to begin with ish like this?
Biden put the entire North Slope of Alaska permanently off limits to drilling. At the same time, he also approved one, count it, one project that was lobbied for by local native Alaskan groups.
A bunch of people acted like the latter was the only environmental action of any consequence that Biden took during his entire four-year term... ignoring his efforts to ban all new oil and gas leases on federal lands (eventually struck down by the courts), his massive offshore wind initiatives on every coast of the lower 48 states, his dramatically tightened vehicle emissions standards, his dramatically tightened standards for other types of pollution, his massive funding packages for solar and wind, EVs, EV charging stations, high-speed rail, and conventional rail, his efforts to stop development of liquefied natural gas export terminals, his whole-of-government project to implement environmental justice considerations at all agencies... the list goes on and on and on and on.
No president in at least 50 years has done more for the environmental and the climate than Biden.
Ah, but when he does good stuff, he doesn't deserve any credit for it, because "we all know" he's a vegetable now. Gross.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 12:02 PM on January 6 [11 favorites]
this is really great but yes MOAR PLS
posted by supermedusa at 12:40 PM on January 6 [1 favorite]
posted by supermedusa at 12:40 PM on January 6 [1 favorite]
A bunch of people acted like the latter was the only environmental action of any consequence that Biden took during his entire four-year term
Nobody* knows about any of the stuff you list. I suspect that there's some intersection of causes, probably something like (a) this administration doesn't message well about stuff it does and/or (b) the media doesn't bother to report any of it and/or (c) average people are just not built to appreciate/retain quasi-esoteric minutiae about the state of Alaskan environmental policy or liquefied natural gas export terminals. None of which is to say he doesn't deserve credit, but this administration's environmental policy moves amount to a fart in the hurricane of other news topics such as "is the outgoing president a vegetable" and "oh my god look at what the other guy said this time."
* For approximate values of nobody.
posted by axiom at 12:41 PM on January 6 [2 favorites]
Nobody* knows about any of the stuff you list. I suspect that there's some intersection of causes, probably something like (a) this administration doesn't message well about stuff it does and/or (b) the media doesn't bother to report any of it and/or (c) average people are just not built to appreciate/retain quasi-esoteric minutiae about the state of Alaskan environmental policy or liquefied natural gas export terminals. None of which is to say he doesn't deserve credit, but this administration's environmental policy moves amount to a fart in the hurricane of other news topics such as "is the outgoing president a vegetable" and "oh my god look at what the other guy said this time."
* For approximate values of nobody.
posted by axiom at 12:41 PM on January 6 [2 favorites]
Public lands, however, are very much on the auction block.
posted by msbutah at 12:55 PM on January 6
posted by msbutah at 12:55 PM on January 6
A bunch of people acted like the latter was the only environmental action of any consequence that Biden took during his entire four-year term
Yeah. Because it was a tremendously public decision that a lot of young activists had become impassioned about and as with every time a situation like that develops the administration completely screwed the messaging by treating critics like petulant children who just didn't understand anything.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 1:11 PM on January 6 [3 favorites]
Yeah. Because it was a tremendously public decision that a lot of young activists had become impassioned about and as with every time a situation like that develops the administration completely screwed the messaging by treating critics like petulant children who just didn't understand anything.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 1:11 PM on January 6 [3 favorites]
Making things complicated and hard to reverse for the President specifically would seem to be a clever choice. Especially given that the incoming guy only tends to work an hour a day, when he isn't otherwise occupied by golf or holding court in his southern palace.
posted by bonehead at 2:08 PM on January 6 [1 favorite]
posted by bonehead at 2:08 PM on January 6 [1 favorite]
Nobody* knows about any of the stuff you list. I suspect that there's some intersection of causes, probably something like (a) this administration doesn't message well about stuff it does and/or (b) the media doesn't bother to report any of it and/or (c) average people are just not built to appreciate/retain quasi-esoteric minutiae about the state of Alaskan environmental policy or liquefied natural gas export terminals. None of which is to say he doesn't deserve credit, but this administration's environmental policy moves amount to a fart in the hurricane of other news topics such as "is the outgoing president a vegetable" and "oh my god look at what the other guy said this time."
The problem is when left-leaning people who imagine themselves to be well-informed pontificate from a place of utter ignorance.
All of Biden's achievements that I listed were announced publicly. They were all knowable. I agree that the media did an absolutely atrocious job covering them, but they were covered, albeit in a cursory way, as unconnected dots lost in an ocean of "news analysis" pieces about Biden's age and various other substance-free trivia.
Seems like people and groups on the left side of the political spectrum should make it their business to notice such things, connect the dots, and help each other, and the general public, be better informed. *shrug*
Or people could just go with their prior negative vibes about Biden and never pay attention to his actual post-2020 record. That was certainly the easier choice, and one that a vast number of people unfortunately seem to have made.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:02 PM on January 6 [4 favorites]
The problem is when left-leaning people who imagine themselves to be well-informed pontificate from a place of utter ignorance.
All of Biden's achievements that I listed were announced publicly. They were all knowable. I agree that the media did an absolutely atrocious job covering them, but they were covered, albeit in a cursory way, as unconnected dots lost in an ocean of "news analysis" pieces about Biden's age and various other substance-free trivia.
Seems like people and groups on the left side of the political spectrum should make it their business to notice such things, connect the dots, and help each other, and the general public, be better informed. *shrug*
Or people could just go with their prior negative vibes about Biden and never pay attention to his actual post-2020 record. That was certainly the easier choice, and one that a vast number of people unfortunately seem to have made.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:02 PM on January 6 [4 favorites]
I think this is good news, Biden administration was good but not perfect and fatal flaws like Merrit Garland and Biden's gerentological decline aside, they could have gone farther or could have not done this, I'm glad they did it
. Will Trump break this law? Maybe if oil companies want him to, or as a gesture to open the whole world to drilling etc. But why pre-emptively surrender to T's lawlessness , make him work for it, and make all the lawyers have to have meetings and write memos and go to court. We don't have to only fight fights we are going to win, we could fight fights we are likely to lose.
Biden's climate accomplisments are both much more that anyone elses (except possibly China), and still making the problem worse not better. That's the fossil fuel (and land use) death trap we are in
There are two ways the climate crisis goes, and we are accelerating away from the way where we have food and a liveable planet. That we could and were are on a trajectory to get worse even faster before Biden acted is also true.
Every time we choose not to make the problem worse faster than before is good compared to making the problem worse faster. But it is still making the problem worse not better. The streamlining of permits for fossil fuels and the tax credits in section Q4, will make climate worse. (my understanding of willow creek was that legally, he couldnt block it any longer but i could be wrong).
The higher the GHG in atmosphere the worse climate change will get (the higher the new temperature equilibrium if there even is a new equilibrium to be had, and the faster climate will change from our current crop-compatible climate).
I don't know that Biden could have gotten Congress to approve more than he did, we need miracles and we are getting small increments in the wrong direction.
You are driving your car to the beach, and the radio says a tsunami is coming, instead of taking your foot off the gas and coasting to a stop, you press down on the gas pedal BUT not as hard as you were otherwise planning to do, because hey, there is a tsunami coming. The car doesn't have brakes and the passenger who says they can invent brakes wants them so you can hit the gas pedal even harder while promising that brakes will kick in in the future to make it ok.
Also the back seat is on fire.
This year, the world used more coal than ever before, ditto all the other fossil fuels.
GHG, (renewables/evsubsidies) that are currently adding to our energy use instead of replacing fossil fuels. As noted above, US produced record amounts of fossil fuel, whether burned domestically or internationally.
US domestic non military non-trade adjusted CO2 is down (methane, Nox up) as the switch from coal to fossil gas continues and as we sell LNG to europe etc.
And yes, most of this area is the proverbial Panda Meat right now (and geologically probably forever). Eustatic's point on oil workers are vital and oil companies are the problem is right on.
posted by No Climate - No Food, No Food - No Future. at 5:15 AM on January 7 [2 favorites]
. Will Trump break this law? Maybe if oil companies want him to, or as a gesture to open the whole world to drilling etc. But why pre-emptively surrender to T's lawlessness , make him work for it, and make all the lawyers have to have meetings and write memos and go to court. We don't have to only fight fights we are going to win, we could fight fights we are likely to lose.
Biden's climate accomplisments are both much more that anyone elses (except possibly China), and still making the problem worse not better. That's the fossil fuel (and land use) death trap we are in
There are two ways the climate crisis goes, and we are accelerating away from the way where we have food and a liveable planet. That we could and were are on a trajectory to get worse even faster before Biden acted is also true.
Every time we choose not to make the problem worse faster than before is good compared to making the problem worse faster. But it is still making the problem worse not better. The streamlining of permits for fossil fuels and the tax credits in section Q4, will make climate worse. (my understanding of willow creek was that legally, he couldnt block it any longer but i could be wrong).
The higher the GHG in atmosphere the worse climate change will get (the higher the new temperature equilibrium if there even is a new equilibrium to be had, and the faster climate will change from our current crop-compatible climate).
I don't know that Biden could have gotten Congress to approve more than he did, we need miracles and we are getting small increments in the wrong direction.
You are driving your car to the beach, and the radio says a tsunami is coming, instead of taking your foot off the gas and coasting to a stop, you press down on the gas pedal BUT not as hard as you were otherwise planning to do, because hey, there is a tsunami coming. The car doesn't have brakes and the passenger who says they can invent brakes wants them so you can hit the gas pedal even harder while promising that brakes will kick in in the future to make it ok.
Also the back seat is on fire.
This year, the world used more coal than ever before, ditto all the other fossil fuels.
GHG, (renewables/evsubsidies) that are currently adding to our energy use instead of replacing fossil fuels. As noted above, US produced record amounts of fossil fuel, whether burned domestically or internationally.
US domestic non military non-trade adjusted CO2 is down (methane, Nox up) as the switch from coal to fossil gas continues and as we sell LNG to europe etc.
And yes, most of this area is the proverbial Panda Meat right now (and geologically probably forever). Eustatic's point on oil workers are vital and oil companies are the problem is right on.
posted by No Climate - No Food, No Food - No Future. at 5:15 AM on January 7 [2 favorites]
Seems like people and groups on the left side of the political spectrum should make it their business to notice such things, connect the dots, and help each other, and the general public, be better informed. *shrug*
Seems like people and groups on the center-right side of the political spectrum should make it their business to notice such things, connect the dots, and help each other, and the general public, be better informed about all the moderate things Biden has done.
See how absurd that sounds when you switch groups? Biden's also done a lot of very reasonable, moderate things which he also doesn't get much credit for from the right who stick with their own negative vibes about tax-and-spend liberals and socialism.
At the end of the day, do you want votes from the left or not? If you want them, you have to figure out how to get them. Simple as that. The Harris campaign tried to get votes from the moderates on the right by going so far as to campaign with Liz Cheney. Either make a similar attempt to do similar outreach on the left or stop complaining when those voters stick with their priors.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 6:19 AM on January 7 [1 favorite]
Seems like people and groups on the center-right side of the political spectrum should make it their business to notice such things, connect the dots, and help each other, and the general public, be better informed about all the moderate things Biden has done.
See how absurd that sounds when you switch groups? Biden's also done a lot of very reasonable, moderate things which he also doesn't get much credit for from the right who stick with their own negative vibes about tax-and-spend liberals and socialism.
At the end of the day, do you want votes from the left or not? If you want them, you have to figure out how to get them. Simple as that. The Harris campaign tried to get votes from the moderates on the right by going so far as to campaign with Liz Cheney. Either make a similar attempt to do similar outreach on the left or stop complaining when those voters stick with their priors.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 6:19 AM on January 7 [1 favorite]
Voter suppression, dis information, a revolutionary republican party cult of personality that has captured the judiciary, (self)-hobbled congress and can ignore public opinion, norms and laws.
Biden admin theme was "Lets hope late is better than never" and for student loans maybe thats true. But for DOJ6 and Ukraine, border? nope. Did they even try to oppose voter suppression?.
On Climate the admin was not late, they passed IRA as fast as plausible. But for climate better late than never is true but suicidal. Like, changing how high up the building you climb before jumping off, we are 3 storeys up and climbing, climbing higher always makes the outcome worse and the odds worse but, in the absense of a working time machine, late is already so bad.
I say give Biden the cookie and promise a bigger one to anyone who does more. While we can still bake cookies.
posted by No Climate - No Food, No Food - No Future. at 8:13 AM on January 7
Biden admin theme was "Lets hope late is better than never" and for student loans maybe thats true. But for DOJ6 and Ukraine, border? nope. Did they even try to oppose voter suppression?.
On Climate the admin was not late, they passed IRA as fast as plausible. But for climate better late than never is true but suicidal. Like, changing how high up the building you climb before jumping off, we are 3 storeys up and climbing, climbing higher always makes the outcome worse and the odds worse but, in the absense of a working time machine, late is already so bad.
I say give Biden the cookie and promise a bigger one to anyone who does more. While we can still bake cookies.
posted by No Climate - No Food, No Food - No Future. at 8:13 AM on January 7
Yes Joe! Put on those Aviator glasses!
Darker Dark Biden! DARK! DARK!
posted by otherchaz at 10:35 AM on January 7
Darker Dark Biden! DARK! DARK!
posted by otherchaz at 10:35 AM on January 7
Biden creates 2 new national monuments
The Sáttítla Highlands National Monument covers more than 224,000 acres in Northern California and includes the ancestral homelands of the Pit River Tribe and Modoc people. A dormant volcano is at its center, and it is home to the longest-known lava tube system in the world.posted by hydropsyche at 3:34 PM on January 7 [2 favorites]
The Chuckwalla National Monument covers more than 624,000 acres south of Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California and includes sacred sites important to five groups of Indigenous people and 50 rare species of plants and animals, including the chuckwalla lizard.
Seems like people and groups on the center-right side of the political spectrum should make it their business to notice such things, connect the dots, and help each other, and the general public, be better informed about all the moderate things Biden has done.
See how absurd that sounds when you switch groups?
Yes, it's absurd... because I was talking about a bunch of stuff the left wants and supports, but somehow failed to acknowledge or support when it happened.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 4:17 PM on January 7
See how absurd that sounds when you switch groups?
Yes, it's absurd... because I was talking about a bunch of stuff the left wants and supports, but somehow failed to acknowledge or support when it happened.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 4:17 PM on January 7
Louisiana waters to remain open for business under Biden's ban on new offshore drilling
"It is not worth the risks," the president said of opening up new federal waters to offshore drilling
By ALEX LUBBEN | Staff writer Greg Upton, the executive director of LSU’s Center for Energy Studies, said the move wasn’t at all surprising from the Biden administration.
“This is very consistent with the policy Biden has been proposing for the last four years, which is restricting production of oil and gas from federal lands and waters,” he said.
Still, Upton said, the move may be largely symbolic, at least in the short term.
“I don't see this really having much of an impact on production,” he said, noting that the areas in which the ban applies are not currently being leased for oil and gas production.
--Environmentalists and Oil Industry researchers agree, this doesn't affect short term drilling and production (short term, like, during this next 10 years).
Which, yeah, this is about leasing. It takes 20 years to raise the capital to work in the ocean. So, 20 years from now, We definitely will not be drilling off New York. That is still a good thing.
--Trump himself signed the temporary leasing moratorium off Pensacola. So, for Florida, Biden is just finishing a job Trump started. Matt Gaetz, rep of Pensacola, fought for this during his time as a representative. Exxon doesn't want to drill off Pensacola anyway. Republicans near oil drilling hate oil drilling, because oil drilling is actually shit for your regional economy. There's actually a near 100% consensus.
My favorite is when the Florida Republican dissed oil drilling during Steve Scalise's glamour tour! "Not a Florida Fit" lol
this could change, if Florida's tourism economy fades with climate change, and they get more desperate, as desperate as Louisiana has always been. Hard to imagine Florida getting that bad, though, oil drilling started in Louisiana in 1910. Alaska didn't start drilling until the 1970's and they got that socialist fund. even suggesting such a socialist fund for Louisiana will get your house burned down. in 2024. it is difficult to imagine these kind of trends changing. i mean, maybe.
Big Oil is mighty, but to me they are whining like Big Coal was whining in the W administration. the talking points are hollow. I can't even read Cassidy's statement, it's so inane and non specific to Louisiana.
If API wants to burn lobbying money fighting this, and fighting both Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer on this issue, they are welcome to it, says I. If they want to fight it, it's a 20 year fight (not that they don't engage in that kind of planning). Exxon is not going to "drill baby drill" anytime soon
--That does not mean we can take our eyes off the Gulf. The risks are still very great. My hope is that New Yorkers and Floridians and Californians can now focus on the issues in Texas and Louisiana (not to mention OK and Dakotas)--something that has begun only during the Biden admin, as the nation has discovered Environmental Justice, in a very real way in the last four years.
When Biden said "Cancer Alley" in 2020, we all knew he had absolutely no idea what he was talking about, but it was so wonderful to hear! honestly, there are a lot of feds who have spent four years learning about Texas and Louisiana, in a way that has never happened before in my lifetime. I am grateful for those dedicated civil servants, many of whom are in their thirties, and many of whom will cycle out and likely become part of the professionalized environmental organizations, and I think they will remember this brief four year window we had, when EPA and others gave a shit about Louisiana in an intentional way that i did not see during the Obama years. I hope the same for our brothers and sisters in Puerto Rico.
I hope so, because there are hundreds of trucks parked in Galliano airport again, for the "ultradeep" "20K" oil leases in Anchor and Kaskida.
[Chevron] boasts that Anchor is the first deepwater development to deploy 20,000-psi technology. The new facility has a design capacity of 75,000 bbl/d of oil and 28 MMcf/d of natural gas. The FPU area is 42,080 sq ft and 25 stories high (taller than the statue of liberty).
The Anchor development will consist of seven subsea wells tied into the Anchor FPU, located in the Green Canyon area, about 140 miles (225 km) offshore Louisiana, in water depths of about 5,000 ft (1,524 m). Total potentially recoverable resources from the Anchor Field are estimated to be up to 440 MMboe.
MC 252, the source of the BP disaster, is only 42 miles from the closest heliport, to compare Macondo to the new Anchor field. These leases Upton is talking about are most of the way to Mexico, they are very far --it's a minimum $3000 seaplane ride for a journalist to even get out to the Anchor field if something goes wrong, al la 2010.
Anchor was leased by George W Bush, and only the drilling plan was approved by the Biden admin. Kaskida, also W; the drilling plan has not been approved yet. BP has waited for the new admin, no doubt. Will we see a fight over these plans?
These fields are what Upton is talking about. The workers flying out to this part of the US ocean are parking their trucks in Galliano. Which is why this story is from Louisiana.
loose talk is that Earthjustice did ask the Biden admin to take the deepwater Gulf leases BP and Chevron want in Central GOM off the table; I think that was not supported by most US environmental groups, who are focused on New York and California--in the US environmental-professional world, the Gulf of Mexico is not really considered an "Ocean." As silly as that is, that is the culture of the US environmental movement, look at where these professionals are working from in the country, and it has to do with race, since folks in Texas and Louisiana tend to be of a different skin tone than the US environmental movement. and that is changing, a lot has changed.
I think its now obvious. We went from a total moratorium on leasing in 2020, to the IRA "climate" bill mandating oil leasing, to a 12A OCSLA exclusion except for this one part of the ocean. I think people are slowly learning more about the industry's weaknesses in that one part of the ocean.
if this rumor is true, Earthjustice might have been a lone voice, willing to poke the Chevron bear and piss off folks like LSU. If the Biden people, who I think are all under 50, had done that, Greg Upton would not have made this statement. If that is true, it would be a large moment in a slow cultural shift in favor of our favorite Industrial Ocean.
This is a long game. Let's check back in in ten years.
posted by eustatic at 10:49 PM on January 7
"It is not worth the risks," the president said of opening up new federal waters to offshore drilling
By ALEX LUBBEN | Staff writer Greg Upton, the executive director of LSU’s Center for Energy Studies, said the move wasn’t at all surprising from the Biden administration.
“This is very consistent with the policy Biden has been proposing for the last four years, which is restricting production of oil and gas from federal lands and waters,” he said.
Still, Upton said, the move may be largely symbolic, at least in the short term.
“I don't see this really having much of an impact on production,” he said, noting that the areas in which the ban applies are not currently being leased for oil and gas production.
--Environmentalists and Oil Industry researchers agree, this doesn't affect short term drilling and production (short term, like, during this next 10 years).
Which, yeah, this is about leasing. It takes 20 years to raise the capital to work in the ocean. So, 20 years from now, We definitely will not be drilling off New York. That is still a good thing.
--Trump himself signed the temporary leasing moratorium off Pensacola. So, for Florida, Biden is just finishing a job Trump started. Matt Gaetz, rep of Pensacola, fought for this during his time as a representative. Exxon doesn't want to drill off Pensacola anyway. Republicans near oil drilling hate oil drilling, because oil drilling is actually shit for your regional economy. There's actually a near 100% consensus.
My favorite is when the Florida Republican dissed oil drilling during Steve Scalise's glamour tour! "Not a Florida Fit" lol
this could change, if Florida's tourism economy fades with climate change, and they get more desperate, as desperate as Louisiana has always been. Hard to imagine Florida getting that bad, though, oil drilling started in Louisiana in 1910. Alaska didn't start drilling until the 1970's and they got that socialist fund. even suggesting such a socialist fund for Louisiana will get your house burned down. in 2024. it is difficult to imagine these kind of trends changing. i mean, maybe.
Big Oil is mighty, but to me they are whining like Big Coal was whining in the W administration. the talking points are hollow. I can't even read Cassidy's statement, it's so inane and non specific to Louisiana.
If API wants to burn lobbying money fighting this, and fighting both Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer on this issue, they are welcome to it, says I. If they want to fight it, it's a 20 year fight (not that they don't engage in that kind of planning). Exxon is not going to "drill baby drill" anytime soon
--That does not mean we can take our eyes off the Gulf. The risks are still very great. My hope is that New Yorkers and Floridians and Californians can now focus on the issues in Texas and Louisiana (not to mention OK and Dakotas)--something that has begun only during the Biden admin, as the nation has discovered Environmental Justice, in a very real way in the last four years.
When Biden said "Cancer Alley" in 2020, we all knew he had absolutely no idea what he was talking about, but it was so wonderful to hear! honestly, there are a lot of feds who have spent four years learning about Texas and Louisiana, in a way that has never happened before in my lifetime. I am grateful for those dedicated civil servants, many of whom are in their thirties, and many of whom will cycle out and likely become part of the professionalized environmental organizations, and I think they will remember this brief four year window we had, when EPA and others gave a shit about Louisiana in an intentional way that i did not see during the Obama years. I hope the same for our brothers and sisters in Puerto Rico.
I hope so, because there are hundreds of trucks parked in Galliano airport again, for the "ultradeep" "20K" oil leases in Anchor and Kaskida.
[Chevron] boasts that Anchor is the first deepwater development to deploy 20,000-psi technology. The new facility has a design capacity of 75,000 bbl/d of oil and 28 MMcf/d of natural gas. The FPU area is 42,080 sq ft and 25 stories high (taller than the statue of liberty).
The Anchor development will consist of seven subsea wells tied into the Anchor FPU, located in the Green Canyon area, about 140 miles (225 km) offshore Louisiana, in water depths of about 5,000 ft (1,524 m). Total potentially recoverable resources from the Anchor Field are estimated to be up to 440 MMboe.
MC 252, the source of the BP disaster, is only 42 miles from the closest heliport, to compare Macondo to the new Anchor field. These leases Upton is talking about are most of the way to Mexico, they are very far --it's a minimum $3000 seaplane ride for a journalist to even get out to the Anchor field if something goes wrong, al la 2010.
Anchor was leased by George W Bush, and only the drilling plan was approved by the Biden admin. Kaskida, also W; the drilling plan has not been approved yet. BP has waited for the new admin, no doubt. Will we see a fight over these plans?
These fields are what Upton is talking about. The workers flying out to this part of the US ocean are parking their trucks in Galliano. Which is why this story is from Louisiana.
loose talk is that Earthjustice did ask the Biden admin to take the deepwater Gulf leases BP and Chevron want in Central GOM off the table; I think that was not supported by most US environmental groups, who are focused on New York and California--in the US environmental-professional world, the Gulf of Mexico is not really considered an "Ocean." As silly as that is, that is the culture of the US environmental movement, look at where these professionals are working from in the country, and it has to do with race, since folks in Texas and Louisiana tend to be of a different skin tone than the US environmental movement. and that is changing, a lot has changed.
I think its now obvious. We went from a total moratorium on leasing in 2020, to the IRA "climate" bill mandating oil leasing, to a 12A OCSLA exclusion except for this one part of the ocean. I think people are slowly learning more about the industry's weaknesses in that one part of the ocean.
if this rumor is true, Earthjustice might have been a lone voice, willing to poke the Chevron bear and piss off folks like LSU. If the Biden people, who I think are all under 50, had done that, Greg Upton would not have made this statement. If that is true, it would be a large moment in a slow cultural shift in favor of our favorite Industrial Ocean.
This is a long game. Let's check back in in ten years.
posted by eustatic at 10:49 PM on January 7
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NPR's broadcast said today that the U.S. produces more oil than any other country, ever. That seems like it should be plenty.
posted by wenestvedt at 5:33 AM on January 6 [3 favorites]