Britain's Traffic Problems
September 6, 2000 6:06 AM Subscribe
Sounds like the UK is trying its hardest to catch up with the US in auto-dependency. The Highways Agency is planning to spend US$1.75 billion on "intelligent transportation" improvements, but local motoring organizations are pushing for more lanes as traffic continues to worsen. [more inside]
"Building a highway to ease congestion is like loosening a belt to ease obesity."
(same goes for "smart" roads)
posted by Avogadro at 6:18 AM on September 6, 2000
posted by dhartung at 10:06 AM on September 6, 2000
I agree that Britain is a lot more crowded than the U.S. But that's a reason to avoid the auto-dependence the U.S. has become a model for. However, the article says that the British are driving more and more. Wider roads and intelligent transportation are only going to encourage that. Isn't public transportation a more efficient option in their case? So shouldn't the government be encouraging it instead of private automobiles?
C'mon people, I'm trying to pick a fight and I only get Dan's response? He wasn't even really arguing with me! C'mon, I'm in a mood to be flamed and no one is taking me up on it?
Want me to spell it out? Britain and other high-density European countries should take the initiative in getting rid of the private automobile. It's wasteful and inefficient and ultimately ruinous! Is that incendiary enough for you?
posted by daveadams at 1:55 PM on September 6, 2000
But the road haulage lobby is a powerful one, and the private rail companies' contracts have made it difficult to channel subsidies into actual investment. There have been a few improvements to encourage the use of smaller vehicles, but the road to hell is paved with... well, it's tarmac'd.
Then again, having been driven through Atlanta at rush hour, I can say with confidence that we've a long way to go to match the insanity of that city's traffic.
posted by holgate at 2:29 PM on September 6, 2000
posted by holgate at 2:33 PM on September 6, 2000
But dumping private autos altogether? Don't count on it. The people want their cars. And public transportation certainly doesn't always get you anywhere near where you want to go, especially if you live outside major cities. You'll have a much easier time working for sensible change rather than needlessly radical ones. Aim for more efficient engines, gas/electric hybrids (which are already coming anyway, at least in the US), etc.
posted by aaron at 11:25 PM on September 6, 2000
You're right. I don't really propose banning all cars. But a combination of non-car-centric development planned around high-quality, efficient public transit, and a ban of automobiles from districts with sufficiently high density would solve a lot of our problems. Obviously the automobile is a necessity outside cities and in less dense areas.
Aim for more efficient engines, gas/electric hybrids (which are already coming anyway, at least in the US), etc.
Those are great ideas, but the use of fossil fuels and the resultant pollution isn't the only problem with massive use of private automobiles. The required space for parking and roads along with the fact that half-ton vehicles hurtling along at 40mph or faster is amazingly dangerous together make car-centered development inherently unfriendly to pedestrians, bicyclists, and public transit.
It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. You build an area with wide roads and big parking lots to make car access easier. Well, soon a car becomes the only way to get to those places. It's too expensive to effectively run public transit into suburban areas, and it's too dangerous and inconvenient to walk or bike through these areas.
Oh well.
posted by daveadams at 6:40 AM on September 7, 2000
posted by holgate at 10:04 AM on September 7, 2000
You're right, though, people love their vices too much. It's not purely about money or people also wouldn't buy $100 jeans and $200 purses and multi-million dollar houses.
posted by daveadams at 1:19 PM on September 7, 2000
That said, I think the traffic problems in Britain (like the problems of violent crime) are a pale shadow of those in the US. My gf just moved to Hartford, CT, and I found out that there's one train a day to Boston: a city which, more than most, needs to get people off the roads.
posted by holgate at 2:11 PM on September 7, 2000
In any case, the Washington-NYC-Boston megalopolis is probably the best-served by transportation in the entire country. Tons of trains, buses, limos, shuttles, planes, etc, all over the place.
posted by aaron at 4:11 PM on September 7, 2000
True. Well, actually IIRC, the DC-NY-Boston route is the only one on which Amtrak makes a profit. It's unfortunate.
While the Northeast is well-covered (for the US anyway) with train service, we aren't so lucky in the Midwest. There's no Amtrak service here in Springfield, and the two routes that do run through Missouri (one from KC to St. Louis, another through St. Louis from Chicago to Memphis) only run once a day in each direction. Obviously that makes train travel so inconvenient as to almost preclude even considering it. Especially since the train ride from KC to St. Louis is slower than the drive.
Meanwhile, the state of Missouri is worried about the traffic on Interstate 70 between KC and St. Louis, and is considering investing billions of dollars in a parallel freeway, money which could instead be used to dramatically improve train service, making it as fast as flying and cheaper than driving. I really think that if train service in the US on short routes like this was upgraded to be speed-competitive with flying, while remaining cheaper and easier, a lot more people would take the train rather than driving.
posted by daveadams at 7:50 AM on September 8, 2000
>>could instead be used to dramatically improve train service...<<
Could they? State money being state money and Amtrak being federal, and all that.
posted by aaron at 2:25 PM on September 9, 2000
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This, combined with China's recent efforts to duplicate the US's massive highway infrastructure, should give everyone pause. Just think how auto-dependent and wasteful the United States has become over the past fifty years. In fifty more years, Europe and Asia could be just as bad. If you don't think we've got a crisis on our hands yet with the pollution, waste of fossil fuels, and degradation of quality of life this auto-dependence has brought to the U.S., surely you don't want the whole world to turn out this way?
Sigh.
posted by daveadams at 6:10 AM on September 6, 2000