Indiana Univeristy Porn Sites...
April 8, 2004 7:49 AM Subscribe
Indiana University has seen its fare share of problems when it comes to adult sites. The latest features a girl who has pictures of her on campus property. The problem is when the school newspaper covered the story (prev link) they linked her site on the front page of the paper. She couldn't purchase better advertising. Last link NSFW.
IU should let it slide providing they receive a percentage of the money that the site makes.
posted by sciurus at 8:19 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by sciurus at 8:19 AM on April 8, 2004
What can you say? She's a HOsier. Not bad looking though. I would fear for my safety if I were her.
posted by vito90 at 8:25 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by vito90 at 8:25 AM on April 8, 2004
I would assume, sciurus, that if she is indeed an IU student, that a good percentage of the money made by the site goes back to IU.
posted by snwod at 8:45 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by snwod at 8:45 AM on April 8, 2004
What's she selling? Chlamydia? Someone from New England back me up-- that girl has to be from Revere!
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:46 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:46 AM on April 8, 2004
Sadly, the only thing I could think of is, "I'd buy that for a dollar!"
But not really. I mean I could use that dollar for a Mountain Dew or something, you know?
posted by SentientAI at 8:46 AM on April 8, 2004
But not really. I mean I could use that dollar for a Mountain Dew or something, you know?
posted by SentientAI at 8:46 AM on April 8, 2004
Come on. She could purchase better advertising (than the Indiana U. student paper). And now she's linked off MeFi, also for free. What is the point of this post?
posted by beagle at 8:46 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by beagle at 8:46 AM on April 8, 2004
Didn't female college students who posed for playboy used to get expelled from UNIs that worried about their reputation? Or is that just a Forrest gump myth?
posted by dabitch at 8:52 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by dabitch at 8:52 AM on April 8, 2004
Nope - a neighbor's daughter posed for the College Issue for IU and remained in good standing.
posted by ao4047 at 9:00 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by ao4047 at 9:00 AM on April 8, 2004
Where the hell were chicks like this when I went to college, man? And I went to school infested with theatre majors. You'd figure that those artsy broads would be exposing flesh all over the place. No such luck man. I was young either too early or too late.
posted by jonmc at 9:51 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by jonmc at 9:51 AM on April 8, 2004
Where the hell were chicks like this when I went to college, man?
Around here, they're downtown every friday and saturday night. That, and when "Girl Gone Wild" comes to one of our bars about once a semester, they ALL come out of the woodwork. Hilarity ensues when guys almost start a riot trying to get inside.
posted by jmd82 at 10:05 AM on April 8, 2004
Around here, they're downtown every friday and saturday night. That, and when "Girl Gone Wild" comes to one of our bars about once a semester, they ALL come out of the woodwork. Hilarity ensues when guys almost start a riot trying to get inside.
posted by jmd82 at 10:05 AM on April 8, 2004
Well, there is some political history here. About a year ago a pornographic video company "Shane's World" attempted to flim on campus in a dormatory. Someone from the university (probably from residence halls) told the film company to leave, they did, and completed the film at private off-campus houses. (At least one student who participated in the film has expressed regrets about unwanted attention afterwards.) The students who participated in the on-campus filming were subject to disciplinary action, which apparently by state law and university policy is confidential.
This should have been the end of it. However Bill O'Reilly in one of his most famous examples of spin in the "No Spin Zone" started going off about how Indiana University was funding pornographers by letting them film in taxpayer-funded dormatories. Never one to let the facts get in the way of a good rant, Bill ignored the fact that the film crew was tresspassing on University property, and was told to leave.
For some reason I ended up channel flipping to him during this period when the professional star of the "Shane's World" series was being interviewed. I found it amazing that on a program that supposedly brags about not tolerating any BS, Bill let himself be led around by the dic... whoops, I mean nose for 5 minutes, throwing mushball after mushball of interview questions and never probing into inconsistencies in her statements. For some reason Bill has a burr up his bum about Indiana University, within a week he was delivering up more mushballs to a person who claims Kinsey personally supervised the molestation of a population of children exceeding population of Monroe County Schools in the 1960s.
Of course the University does not want to give a dishonest media hack legitimacy by addressing Bill directly, but I do think there is probably some desire to head off another media shitstorm at the pass.
I suspect that a lot of it will come down to the fact that this website is selling the dormroom setting of the photos as a major feature. If I remember my old Residence Halls contract, I suspect that there is a clause prohibiting using dorm rooms for commercial uses. In general the University claims that you must have permission for commercial filming and photography on their property. Playboy in recent years has taken great care to do its recruiting and photography at off-campus hotels to avoid any conflicts.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 10:16 AM on April 8, 2004
This should have been the end of it. However Bill O'Reilly in one of his most famous examples of spin in the "No Spin Zone" started going off about how Indiana University was funding pornographers by letting them film in taxpayer-funded dormatories. Never one to let the facts get in the way of a good rant, Bill ignored the fact that the film crew was tresspassing on University property, and was told to leave.
For some reason I ended up channel flipping to him during this period when the professional star of the "Shane's World" series was being interviewed. I found it amazing that on a program that supposedly brags about not tolerating any BS, Bill let himself be led around by the dic... whoops, I mean nose for 5 minutes, throwing mushball after mushball of interview questions and never probing into inconsistencies in her statements. For some reason Bill has a burr up his bum about Indiana University, within a week he was delivering up more mushballs to a person who claims Kinsey personally supervised the molestation of a population of children exceeding population of Monroe County Schools in the 1960s.
Of course the University does not want to give a dishonest media hack legitimacy by addressing Bill directly, but I do think there is probably some desire to head off another media shitstorm at the pass.
I suspect that a lot of it will come down to the fact that this website is selling the dormroom setting of the photos as a major feature. If I remember my old Residence Halls contract, I suspect that there is a clause prohibiting using dorm rooms for commercial uses. In general the University claims that you must have permission for commercial filming and photography on their property. Playboy in recent years has taken great care to do its recruiting and photography at off-campus hotels to avoid any conflicts.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 10:16 AM on April 8, 2004
wow. that is so much worse than the girl in one of my psych classes - my friend recognized her as a stripper he'd seen the night before. i thought that would be tough. but to be a freshman selling naked photos of yourself? how the hell do you go to class after that? especially given that anyone on campus who picked up the paper would know what you were up to. time to transfer, girl. seeing a picture on a website of an anonymous girl is one thing, knowing that she's in room X in residence hall Y just down the block is not good. that's just going to invite trouble for her, both from her fans and from her detractors (and potential stalkers).
and how the hell would an instructor who recognized the, um, face (yeah, face is safe) from the website or article feel about teaching such a student? i honestly would feel very uncomfortable.
posted by caution live frogs at 10:34 AM on April 8, 2004
and how the hell would an instructor who recognized the, um, face (yeah, face is safe) from the website or article feel about teaching such a student? i honestly would feel very uncomfortable.
posted by caution live frogs at 10:34 AM on April 8, 2004
they linked her site on the front page of the paper
Certainly it seems the university's time would be better spent patenting this technology that allows them to link to a Web site from a newspaper. Neat trick.
posted by jjg at 11:27 AM on April 8, 2004
Certainly it seems the university's time would be better spent patenting this technology that allows them to link to a Web site from a newspaper. Neat trick.
posted by jjg at 11:27 AM on April 8, 2004
she could really benefit from a lesson in lighting.
posted by NationalKato at 11:32 AM on April 8, 2004
posted by NationalKato at 11:32 AM on April 8, 2004
Google's cache can be quite useful at times. At the middle of this page, you'll see a couple links to a couple extra pages on that site.
posted by mcgraw at 12:29 PM on April 8, 2004
posted by mcgraw at 12:29 PM on April 8, 2004
Yay, Google cache!
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 2:03 PM on April 8, 2004
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 2:03 PM on April 8, 2004
"...and how the hell would an instructor who recognized the, um, face (yeah, face is safe) from the website or article feel about teaching such a student? i honestly would feel very uncomfortable."
Gasp - some of my students may actually be nekkid under their clothes. The horror.
Just because people strip to pay the bills doesn't mean they are bad or going to infect the rest of us. Really, who cares?
posted by jmgorman at 2:32 PM on April 8, 2004
Gasp - some of my students may actually be nekkid under their clothes. The horror.
Just because people strip to pay the bills doesn't mean they are bad or going to infect the rest of us. Really, who cares?
posted by jmgorman at 2:32 PM on April 8, 2004
I'd like some, er, hard info on this trend. (Cam sites, commercial specific-young-woman porn sites, etc.) I'm a feminist/antisexist, but I don't subscribe to the Dworkin view of female objectification—rather, I'm sex-positive and don't think that sexual imagery is inherently objectifying.
Anyway, the biggest concern I've had about pornography, aside from the fact that a large portion is in practice misgynist (not in principle, but in practice), is that a very large number of the women involved in porn (as in prostitution and stripping) are basically emotionally screwed-up addicts who are being exploited by the, almost without fail, men who are actually organizing and operating said enterprises.
But cam sites and the like, I wonder, may be cutting out the middlemen? That, I think, would be a very good thing.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:41 PM on April 8, 2004
Anyway, the biggest concern I've had about pornography, aside from the fact that a large portion is in practice misgynist (not in principle, but in practice), is that a very large number of the women involved in porn (as in prostitution and stripping) are basically emotionally screwed-up addicts who are being exploited by the, almost without fail, men who are actually organizing and operating said enterprises.
But cam sites and the like, I wonder, may be cutting out the middlemen? That, I think, would be a very good thing.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:41 PM on April 8, 2004
girls are naked online?!
who knew?!
posted by drpartypoopercrankypantsesquire at 5:25 PM on April 8, 2004
who knew?!
posted by drpartypoopercrankypantsesquire at 5:25 PM on April 8, 2004
my friend recognized her as a stripper he'd seen the night before. i thought that would be tough.
Tough for who? It wasn't too tough for your friend to be at a club looking at naked women, so I don't see how it would be tough for him/her to see that person with clothing on, and I can assure you that most dancers don't make note of every face they see in a crowd at work and so aren't usually bothered about recognizing people that may have been there.
and how the hell would an instructor who recognized the, um, face (yeah, face is safe) from the website or article feel about teaching such a student? i honestly would feel very uncomfortable.
My professors were pretty cool about the fact that I was a stripper. In other words, they didn't mention it, point it out to other people, or announce it to the class, etc. It's common courtesy, just as it is common courtesy to not walk up to a stripper you have seen the night before and point that fact out. It's interesting that you would be uncomfortable teaching "such a student", but you aren't uncomfortable having a friend who goes to titty bars.
But cam sites and the like, I wonder, may be cutting out the middlemen? That, I think, would be a very good thing.
I agree. I see nothing wrong with an adult human doing whatever legal activity they want to do with their own body, and she's not being exploited by anyone (or having to share the majority of the profit with someone else either).
I wish the school newspaper link was still working so I could read their take on it, but I can tell you that while being linked on the front page might cause her a little hassle from people who think "such people" are a problem, it will also increase her membership sales.
posted by Orb at 5:50 PM on April 8, 2004
Tough for who? It wasn't too tough for your friend to be at a club looking at naked women, so I don't see how it would be tough for him/her to see that person with clothing on, and I can assure you that most dancers don't make note of every face they see in a crowd at work and so aren't usually bothered about recognizing people that may have been there.
and how the hell would an instructor who recognized the, um, face (yeah, face is safe) from the website or article feel about teaching such a student? i honestly would feel very uncomfortable.
My professors were pretty cool about the fact that I was a stripper. In other words, they didn't mention it, point it out to other people, or announce it to the class, etc. It's common courtesy, just as it is common courtesy to not walk up to a stripper you have seen the night before and point that fact out. It's interesting that you would be uncomfortable teaching "such a student", but you aren't uncomfortable having a friend who goes to titty bars.
But cam sites and the like, I wonder, may be cutting out the middlemen? That, I think, would be a very good thing.
I agree. I see nothing wrong with an adult human doing whatever legal activity they want to do with their own body, and she's not being exploited by anyone (or having to share the majority of the profit with someone else either).
I wish the school newspaper link was still working so I could read their take on it, but I can tell you that while being linked on the front page might cause her a little hassle from people who think "such people" are a problem, it will also increase her membership sales.
posted by Orb at 5:50 PM on April 8, 2004
Come and join in song together,
Shout with might and main;
Our beloved Alma Mater,
Sound her praise again.
Gloriana Frangipana, E'er to her be true.
She's the pride of Indiana,
Hail to Old IU!
posted by Skwirl at 8:59 PM on April 8, 2004
Shout with might and main;
Our beloved Alma Mater,
Sound her praise again.
Gloriana Frangipana, E'er to her be true.
She's the pride of Indiana,
Hail to Old IU!
posted by Skwirl at 8:59 PM on April 8, 2004
Indiana, our Indiana
Indiana we're all for you.
We will fight for,
The Cream and Crimson,
For the glory of old IU.
Never daunted,
We shall not falter,
Through the battle,
We're tried and true.
Indiana, our Indiana,
Indiana we're all for you.
(shouted)
I U
('92)
posted by mwhybark at 11:24 PM on April 8, 2004
Indiana we're all for you.
We will fight for,
The Cream and Crimson,
For the glory of old IU.
Never daunted,
We shall not falter,
Through the battle,
We're tried and true.
Indiana, our Indiana,
Indiana we're all for you.
(shouted)
I U
('92)
posted by mwhybark at 11:24 PM on April 8, 2004
well, y'all, i'd be uncomfortable teaching such a student for the same reason that i'm already uncomfortable with the amount of skin my current students show in class. i'm not a prude (just getting old i guess) but i do not need to know what color undies everyone is wearing today, thanks.
as an instructor there are very specific rules you have to follow to make sure you don't open yourself to liability. you never have a closed-door session with a student, you never do or say specific things in class, you don't touch anyone, etc. - the last thing you want is for a student to accuse you of something, and have no way for you to prove that it did or did not happen the way he/she says it did. if the school paper points out that the girl can be seen naked on a specific website, well... i don't know if that makes a harassment claim more or less likely. i just know i would be uncomfortable. i don't want or need to know anything about what any of my students do in their spare time. the less i know about their personal lives, the better for me - i don't have to worry about anyone saying "he gave me a bad grade because he thinks i'm a dirty slut, see i can prove it 'cause i know he knows about the website" or some such. things like this do happen, and otherwise good instructors have been caught in some bad positions - not always through faults of their own.
how could it be hard on the one getting naked for cash? well, for one thing the anonymity of a cam girl is part of the attraction for some - they can be sexual for money without fearing that they will be approached. as i mentioned above, this girl now has no anonymity.
sure, being willing to undress for cash takes a person with a specific mindset. not everyone will do it. if you don't like being stared at you won't want to strip (or at least won't do it for long). but in the end it's a job, and many people like to leave their jobs behind when they leave work for the day. my friend going to see this girl where she works? it's her job, that's what she does for money, and my friend gave her money. business transaction. calling her out in class? not so good - job != what kind of girl you are, but that's what seems to come to mind too often for the people who go to the titty bar (that's why they have bouncers there, and that's why strippers don't use their real names on stage). depending on the person, it might be hard to try to concentrate in class with a group of guys whispering behind you "it's her, i'm telling you." "no it's not" "yes it is" and so on. these days, probably i would not try to discuss such a possibility in front of (or behind) the girl, but as a freshman or sophomore in college we aren't all that mature. and immature people often find it hard to discriminate between what someone does for a living and what kind of person they are.
it's not a judgement call (sorry if it came out that way) it's just that i felt it would be tough for this girl to walk out of her room every day, to be greeted by a bunch of horny college boys just sure that since she undresses on camera she's a slut and would love to screw them all. it's one thing to think "is that the stripper i saw?" and quite another to say "not only is it her, but i looked her up in the student directory and here's her room number".
posted by caution live frogs at 7:59 AM on April 9, 2004
as an instructor there are very specific rules you have to follow to make sure you don't open yourself to liability. you never have a closed-door session with a student, you never do or say specific things in class, you don't touch anyone, etc. - the last thing you want is for a student to accuse you of something, and have no way for you to prove that it did or did not happen the way he/she says it did. if the school paper points out that the girl can be seen naked on a specific website, well... i don't know if that makes a harassment claim more or less likely. i just know i would be uncomfortable. i don't want or need to know anything about what any of my students do in their spare time. the less i know about their personal lives, the better for me - i don't have to worry about anyone saying "he gave me a bad grade because he thinks i'm a dirty slut, see i can prove it 'cause i know he knows about the website" or some such. things like this do happen, and otherwise good instructors have been caught in some bad positions - not always through faults of their own.
how could it be hard on the one getting naked for cash? well, for one thing the anonymity of a cam girl is part of the attraction for some - they can be sexual for money without fearing that they will be approached. as i mentioned above, this girl now has no anonymity.
sure, being willing to undress for cash takes a person with a specific mindset. not everyone will do it. if you don't like being stared at you won't want to strip (or at least won't do it for long). but in the end it's a job, and many people like to leave their jobs behind when they leave work for the day. my friend going to see this girl where she works? it's her job, that's what she does for money, and my friend gave her money. business transaction. calling her out in class? not so good - job != what kind of girl you are, but that's what seems to come to mind too often for the people who go to the titty bar (that's why they have bouncers there, and that's why strippers don't use their real names on stage). depending on the person, it might be hard to try to concentrate in class with a group of guys whispering behind you "it's her, i'm telling you." "no it's not" "yes it is" and so on. these days, probably i would not try to discuss such a possibility in front of (or behind) the girl, but as a freshman or sophomore in college we aren't all that mature. and immature people often find it hard to discriminate between what someone does for a living and what kind of person they are.
it's not a judgement call (sorry if it came out that way) it's just that i felt it would be tough for this girl to walk out of her room every day, to be greeted by a bunch of horny college boys just sure that since she undresses on camera she's a slut and would love to screw them all. it's one thing to think "is that the stripper i saw?" and quite another to say "not only is it her, but i looked her up in the student directory and here's her room number".
posted by caution live frogs at 7:59 AM on April 9, 2004
Just an update for those who may not have seen it in the news:
IU has decided not to discipline the student, but unfortunately, Ethereal Bligh, she didn't cut out the middle man. Why she needs to pay someone 1/3 of the money made to run that site, I don't know.
Linthicum said the student is paid one-third of the sales revenue, after expenses. Wednesday and Thursday, after the Indiana Daily Student, IU's student newspaper, revealed the site, it made close to $3,000, he said.
"We're up about 30 (memberships) a day," he said.
Though as I suspected, sales went up as soon as it was front page news.
posted by Orb at 12:02 PM on April 13, 2004
IU has decided not to discipline the student, but unfortunately, Ethereal Bligh, she didn't cut out the middle man. Why she needs to pay someone 1/3 of the money made to run that site, I don't know.
Linthicum said the student is paid one-third of the sales revenue, after expenses. Wednesday and Thursday, after the Indiana Daily Student, IU's student newspaper, revealed the site, it made close to $3,000, he said.
"We're up about 30 (memberships) a day," he said.
Though as I suspected, sales went up as soon as it was front page news.
posted by Orb at 12:02 PM on April 13, 2004
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